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achorladey:
That your if is the problem. Those assumptions, speculations and suppositions no dey part of the scripture you cited. They are lies and manipulations rolling mills from your brains.

Jesus don't preach group he is always about the individual and the you. God don't draw group, God draw individual

OK thank you!

EnemyofGod3:
There's nothing spiritual to begin with,you got the idea of spirituality from the Bible,

Please forget about whatever that book says for now and let's focus on a heart to heart discussion.

The question again:

Can we see everything in existence with our physical eyes?

Just a YES or NO response.

achorladey:
Where is the word group clearly written or stated in those Bible verse referenced or points to the name of a particular religious organization?
Lies and manipulations of the scripture rolling mills

If Jesus insists that only his followers will be saved automatically there must be a GROUP practicing what he taught as his real disciples!

sonmvayina:
Sorry, it removed by comment with my other moniker.

The problem with you lots is that you take a single verse and run away with it and you think you are saying something intelligent or making a valid point but on a close scrutiny, it falls flat.
Why stop at one verse, why not read the surrounding verses to get the proper message.
Let me help you.

31 Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; my covenant which they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

First and foremost the covenant is between Hashem and the Israelites. Not the whole word.
The covenant is still the old one, but this time God will write it in their heart so it becomes effortless to keep and obey. The old one was written on stones and paper, this time it will be written in their heart, no one will go from house to house to knock on people's door like you lot do.
The law will be engraved in their heart.

Stop your deception.

Did God promise another covenant?

EnemyofGod3:
Ogah, can you prove the existence of God and Satan to us without using your Bible ? I mean a really evidence of their existence.
i still put it to you that this lady is not an atheist,she might be a Jehovah's witnesses masquerading as atheist.

Can we see everything in existence with our physical eyes?

22jumpstreet:
You don't need to be a member of a cult to keep the laws. I don't need to join any group before I obey by parents,or don't kill or bear false witness. This your idea is warped.

Sonmvayina!

God said He will change the old laws for a better one! Jeremiah 31:33

MindHacker9009:
The Philistines were ruling over Israel at the time.

Maximus692:
Are you saying people should kill those ruling over them?

MindHacker9009:
Is Samson the people. The story of Samson is the action movies we have today.

So Samson killed the philistines because they were ruling over Israel.

My question again:

Should people start killing those ruling over them?

mii4u:
What is the essence of His death if He did not resurrect?

Jesus said:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me". John 5:30


The title "only begotten son of God" has a deep meaning:
Whatever you think, whatever you say or whatever you do if it has to do with God you must strictly follow the footsteps of this person otherwise you are playing with Satan who will seize all opportunities to midlead you and since you're stepping out of what Jesus laid down you are off the safe zone.

So we must trust Jesus completely in doing exactly as instructed if we truly want to be on the safe side!

EnemyofGod3:
Nobody die and go to heaven, infact God,Satan, Jesus and Angels,heaven and hellfire doesn't exist, there's no reliable, approvable,concretable evidence of their existence,
This lady was not an Atheist,she is just lying to be an atheist, next thing you will hear is , she has open her own church.

Ọmọ there is heaven, God, Jesus, Satan and Angels there is reliable, approvable and concrete evidence of their existence but as for Hellfire there is nothing as such Hell is a symbolic word used for the condition of the dead.
As for the lady she's a confirmed atheist as well as many so called pastors out there.
All you need is to calmly addressed the issue not grudgingly or hastily for it will be confusing to you!

MindHacker9009:
Samson killed Philistines as part of his calling from God to deliver Israel from Philistine oppression. The Philistines were ruling over Israel at the time and Samson was chosen by God to begin freeing his people (Judges 13:5).

Are you saying people should kill those ruling over them?

22jumpstreet:
Peace..peace..peace.
That is the goal. We are expected to keep it for our own good.
So that we can live in peace. Peace is the goal.

So can we ascertain this achievement in the gathering of the adherents of that old law?

MightySparrow:
Delusion.
Are you now in position of a judge? Evil organization deceiving people and holding them down with fear.
Your own plow is a wrong one Sir.

I think you should direct that question to the man from Nazareth whose footsteps the Apostles and Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are following nah.

The prophecy that made me a believer in Christ and the Bible God.

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream.  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

For thousands of years mankind have been under human rules that makes them enemies of their neighbours and fellow worshipers. In fact countless organizations has been formed to solve the problems cursed by politics and racism as mankind continues to make weapons deadly enough to destroy lives in millions.
But by the time God made this promise Isaiah and Micah were Jews living in their own country but they penned down this prophecy that will be fulfilled in the last days.
So let us consider this prophecy and it's fulfilment:

Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1
During a time when the world is heading to its doom and fear is everywhere about what will be the future of mankind in this planet as deadly weapons are been manufactured on daily basis. Faithful people from different countries throughout the earth will come together and form a global group.
Isaiah 2:3; Micah 4:2
This people will continue inviting one another to participate in an educational program that's going on globally regarding what is found written in the books inspired by the God of Jacob (Israel) and a ruling team (Jerusalem) will champion this program.
Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3
After they have come to agreement on what they found in the words of the God of Israel they will resolve their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production and information materials, stop producing buying selling and using weapons, and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again!

This is happening today by one religion claiming Christians but despite their good works the world of religion hates them with passion {Matthew 5:11-12} i tried to figure out why all religionists hate this group even though no religion agrees completely with another so i keep wondering how come they get angry each time the name of this group is mentioned.

Well i discovered that the group name "CHRISTIANS" has been profaned by false religionists that's why God in His anger swore to destroy all those false religionist but then He began calling His own true worshipers by another group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

This is the group fulfilling that prophecy today and if truly there is a God up there somewhere i wonder if there is any other will He has that's better than for all faithful people throughout the world to cohabit peacefully as one global family! Psalms 133:1-3

Thanks!

God's organization!

MightySparrow:
The way you plant fear of dis fellowshipment and weeaponize Armageddon make your organization a cult. One of the characteristics of a cult is fear of leaving the cult. Do you agree by your own fruit also?

Jesus said:
“No man who has put his hand to a plow and looks at the things behind is well-suited for the Kingdom of God" Luke 9:62
His Apostles said:
And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near. Hebrews 10:24-25
So according to what they said whoever leaves their group is doomed.

Do you think Jesus and his disciples were a cult? Matthew 10:24-25

Agbegbaorogboye:
Growing up as a child and attending Sunday school, the idea of Jesus I got from Sunday school teachings was of a lowly and poor man who left his glory in heaven to come and die for my sins.
But it seems pentecostal teachings are now at variance with this especially with some preachers saying Jesus hates poverty and poverty is a sin.

So fellow Christians in the house, please I need your thoughts on this.

Based on your bible knowledge, was Jesus poor?

YES!
Jesus was poor and he taught his closest confidants to give away whatever they had to remain focused if they want to be with him in heaven:

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21

These set of humans are no longer going to inherit the earth as God His promised righteous servants of old {Psalms 37:29} rather they will be transformed into angels having no gender {Luke 20:34-36} that's why they must be born again {John 3:3-5} all their earthly possessions they must forgo to support others in doing the work Jesus assigned to them all! Luke 18:22

So Jesus himself set the pace by having no possession of his own on planet earth:

“Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.” Matthew 8:20

His Apostles (supposed corulers with him in his Kingdom) followed the same pattern:

“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

So if any religionist is accumulating assets on planet earth surely he is not part of those going to rule with Christ in heaven because such a person has nothing stored up for him or her there! Matthew 6:19-21

May you have peace!

MightySparrow:
You abuse Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo even talked against Babalola in his grave. Haba! Which Jesus sent you to be doing that?

Saying they are false prophets is not an abuse but a statement of fact, going by what Jesus Christ said regarding FRUIT {Matthew 7:16-18} which of these people has gathered followers that is doing well like what this man said:

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

That's what makes them FALSE!

achorladey:
The bold is correct and he wants to draw attention to his religious organization likewise like a marketer does.

Is that why you've been following me up and down the forum?
So my jazz for attention catch you shey?

Lucifyre:
You intelligent?! 🤣 🤡

Atheist!

achorladey:
That your madness and insanities peddling brains go learn last last
Violence in your madness and insanities peddling brains is not limited to your father beating your mother to death whether as a Muslim or one of Jehovah's Witnesses even if your father does so it is part of it.
What I am saying is a man that killed his wife in the community of Jehovah's Witnesses as one of Jehovah's Witnesses is an evidence that your dad is a member of a religious organization where Jehovah’s witnesses kill Jehovah’s witnesses just like you want me to believe that Catholics kills Catholics while at war and they cannot be true Christians

The churches in your community always preach that whenever their members see Jehovah’s witnesses they should not allow them go alive.

Those three questions only requires a YES or NO response not story telling nah?

Maximus692:
Did your own dad beat your mum to death? YES or NO
Are you saying that since a violent man killed his wife that makes your own dad a killer because they both belong to the same organization? YES or NO
Does the organization promote violence in any form? YES or NO

achorladey:
What is my problem with inside or outside? Will it change the fact that members of Jehovah's Witness are child abusers?

YES!

It's impossible for such to be happening only within their midst you can't tell me that they are never attracted to other children except those in their group nah!

There are child molesters and terrorists in Islam the fact is confirmed when they are crossing boundaries but in this case you are saying something that you have never seen before in your neighborhood.

Remember what APOSTOSIS said:

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Highlighted in blue shows that this man (even though may not be a believer) is active in line with what is written in the scriptures:

Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine. 1Thessalonians 5:21

achorladey:
The epistle is to make your madness and insanities peddling brains understand that violence in the community of Jehovah's Witnesses is not done by one man alone.

Did your own dad beat your mum to death?
Are you saying that since a violent man killed his wife that makes your own dad a killer because they both belong to the same organization?
Does the organization promote violence in any form?

achorladey:
Members of Jehovah's Witnesses have been caught abusing children in their midst, tried and convicted several times in court.

Has any JW ever been caught abusing a child outside the organization?

achorladey:
So says the madness and insanities peddling brains. From the brains of a person whose intelligence and wisdom on so many topics goes into the drainage all the time. First remove the madness and insanities peddling in your brains laced with lies and manipulations Tell me one of the twisted thing I said about your so called peaceful religious organization. Just one is enough. I don't need two just one.
The madness and insanities peddling brains started with one man. Lies and manipulations number 1. He added more madness and insanities peddling by saying......couldn't get any support. That's the wisdom of your madness and insanities peddling brains I am highlighting My point your madness and insanities peddling brains knows is the very same thing that makes others not peaceful are found in your midst in their numbers. Now you want to make it insignificant to remove your so called religious organization while you keep pointing fingers at others Your madness and insanities peddling brains will need that reset than mine because shunning it is not the main problem here in this discussion but the fact that your so called Jehovah’s organization that you say is peaceful is doing the very same thing you use to identify those you class as Satan's organisation
Use your madness and insanities peddling brains to reason the above.
Here is the Romans again your GODS of men housed in USA manipulated and packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains as NEUTRALITY stands
for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear, for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword. It is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath* against the one practicing what is bad.
Open your eyes and see the AVENGER.
The madness and insanities peddling brains turned it to one man vs a group. In your madness and insanities peddling brains it is only one man that had been caught killing their wives in the community of Jehovah's Witnesses or perpetrating violence against their wives or husbands.
The reason you need the brain reset more. Your wisdom no grade enough ;

What has this epistle got to do with using the WRONGDOING of one man to judge an organization that condemns his violent attitude?

Please make it make sense!

Lucifyre:
🤣 cap from now till eternity, nothing changes fact.

Facts but you have never seen such in real life, shey?

MightySparrow:
Start reading without bias from chapter 1: 1. Your position as an organization doesn't hold water. Read objectively without the spectacle of your GB.
Romans is so clear about most Bible doctrines. Taking one verse and building doctrine around it doesn't make sense.

OK if you have read from the beginning can you explain what Paul meant in verse 7?

MightySparrow:
How does Roman 6:7 fit into the equation if you start reading Paul's argument from chapter 1 to the end?
Delusional interpretation.

Romans 6:7 reads:


Anyone who has died has been set free from sin.


WHY?

Because death is the wages of sin! Romans 6:23; Genesis 2:17; 3:19

Or do you think Satan is the one telling us the truth about the condition of the dead? Genesis 3:4

Jokerman:
Lol... There is a place of peace too.
God does not lie.

This is what God said before Jesus came in to the world:


They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. ‭Jeremiah 7:31 NIV‬


Burning people alive has not entered the mind of God rather what He said in the beginning is that death ends Adam's rebellion {Genesis 2:17; 3:19} perhaps you believe God lied to Adam about death and Satan is the one saying the truth! Genesis 3:4

Jokerman:
Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


Why not take this message seriously??

Remember we humans are created in God's image, and since God is eternal, that means the human spirit and consciousness cannot die, and since spirit cannot die, all rebellious spirits will receive eternal damnation in the Lake of Fire

God cannot change His word, neither will He lie. For He is not a man and not a respecter of persons.

Why not escape now, and come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ who has made it possible with His Blood and with His word.

Humans are specially, fearfully and wonderfully made by God. Don't be rebellious against your father like Satan and the demons.

Jesus spoke in parables, no spirit survives death, at death man has been discharged of all his wrongdoings! Romans 6:7

What is the meaning of that word:

"WITNESS"

UncleKoboko:
Good.
Today is the day some people think:
God, the creator of the universe, multiverse and beyond, CAME TO THIS TINY SPEC OF DUST TO DIE!
BE KILLED BY HUMANS THAT HE IS NOT HAPPY WITH...
So he needs to make them commit more sins (murder), and he will be committing suicide...
All in the name of him needing the blood of an innocent man (himself), for his own atonement and in order to forgive the sinners...
YOU SEE HOW THIS MAKES SENSE....
People are dàft sha

You misconstrued it all but it's OK since those claiming believers in Christ are not even real disciples of Christ.