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Queenttoast01:
Jesus Christ died for our sins, before Jesus died we make restitution for our sins through the blood of the lamb, but the blood of Jesus on the cross of Calvary cleansed that all and put an end to that at once. Christ brought the grace we are enjoying today as a believer.

Before Jesus came, you would have long gone into exile or died immediately from the wrath of God for your sins. Man is still in the old nature of Adamic sin., Man cannot have relationship with God.

Jesus came and broke that barrier, Accept him now so you don't perish at the end.

Why do i need to accept him if he has already paid for my sins like you said “ Before Jesus came, you would have long gone into exile or died immediately from the wrath of God for your sins.”

He already did it.

SIRTee15:
Already answered. Bye

Yes your god does not know the future, if he does he knows who is a robber and prostitute.
Or what exactly does he know in the future?
Give me biblical definition of Omniscience since we should not use real definition of words.
Man do you even know the origin of the word “bible”.

SIRTee15:
This is the problem, how can u apply literal definition to spiritual meaning.
This is the biblical definition of destiny

[b]Our destiny is God’s purpose for our lives. It is our God ordained future. Destiny is what God has destined us to become in His divine will and wisdom. [/b]Each of us is also destined to play specific roles in the ordering of His world – cf 1 Corinthians 12 1-7 on the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

God's plan and purpose for his children conceived long before we were born.

Read more about definition of biblical destiny here
https://www.osc-tbs.org/biblical-concept-of-destiny/#:~:text=Destiny%20is%20what%20God%20has,gifts%20of%20the%20Holy%20Spirit.
Here are.some.excerpts....
It must also be noted that nobody is predestined to go to hell and that is why we have continued to preach so that people will not have any excuse on the day of reckoning. Nobody is also predefined to fail because everybody is given the opportunity to pull their weight. God will never impose His will on us but we enjoined to remain steadfast in Christ and He will give the victory.

We read in Genesis the accounts of the creation of both the world and Mankind and also about the fall of Man. God destined Man to be great and to have dominion over His entire creation, but through disobedience Man lost this heritage. It is not impossible for one to forfeit his destiny as a result of carelessness and disobedience.

Really TenQ was right, it's a waste of time talking theology with u guys. It's better we discuss philosophy.

Lol, it’s now biblical definition.

What’s the biblical definition of all knowing, omniscience and knowing the future.
You mean an omniscience god didn’t know adam will sin before he created adam and that same god sees the future, what does he see in the future then?

You keep talking about theology, do you know what it means?
Do you know what are theos that you are studying(logy).

Queenttoast01:
The kingdom of God is at hand, how prepared are you for his coming?

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Is he coming to only earth?
If yes, Elon musk needs to hurry

SIRTee15:
Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

An omniscience god is using “IF”, does he not know what will happen in the future?
bwahahahah

SIRTee15:
This is your answer. Man don't have a fixed destiny as affirmed by God.

Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

Now I asked your other fake atheist the question but refused to answer, maybe u can help.
An armed robber that got killed during robbery, was that his destiny given to him the day he was born?
A prostitute that got murdered by her client. Was she destined to be a prostitute and be killed during active service right form day one of her life as a baby.

Then your god is not omniscience and does not know the future, in other mythologies gods decide the fate of man.

“ Now I asked your other fake atheist the question but refused to answer, maybe u can help.
An armed robber that got killed during robbery, was that his destiny given to him the day he was born?
A prostitute that got murdered by her client. Was she destined to be a prostitute and be killed during active service right form day one of her life as a baby.”

Fake theist it’s you that believe yahweh is omniscience and knows everything.
You said he knows the FUTURE, so surely he knows who is a armed robber and prostitute in that FUTURE BEFORE he created them.

I ask you, does yahweh know the exact number of people that will go to hell or he is hoping nobody does?

Even the definition of destiny means “make firm, established”. It has already been DECIDED!

SIRTee15:
What did God tell Jeremiah in chapter 18.5-10

Please look up on the origin of the word “destiny”.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/destiny

SIRTee15:
What did God tell Jeremiah in chapter 18.5-10

Tell me what omniscience yahweh said.

You keep contradicting yourself, if not for religion you should see it.
Christians don’t believe in a fixed destiny but they believe yahweh to know the future where there destiny lies, think na
If the future is not fixed then how does yahweh know the future?
How sure is yahweh that revelation will come through since future is not fixed abi

SIRTee15:
You just here to argue not to understand or learn. Bye

How can you go and prepare a place for people without knowing the EXACT number of people coming?
That’s a bad planner and it is a recipe for disaster, that’s why yahweh keeps regretting.

SIRTee15:
You just here to argue not to understand or learn. Bye

You are the one that don’t understand what you are saying. You can’t defend what you base your life on.
You keep contradicting yourself
Is my destiny not in the future?
Does your god know the future?

And the jeremiah you brought in, is this potter all powerful and omniscience?

SIRTee15:
Once again playing with words.
As I said earlier we Christians don't believe in a fixed destiny. Your choice is influence your destiny.
God also is forever shaping your destiny with the purpose of bringing u back into the fold. So foreknowledge to God is an active word, not static.
'Foreknowledge is destiny shaping! Speaking about God's foreknowledge is a way of expressing his eternal commitment to individuals as part of his determination to bring them to faith and to all the glories and benefits of Christ's work'
God is constantly reshaping our destiny no matter how complex or disappointing it is just like Jeremiah observed at the potter's house. Jeremiah 18.1-10


Jesus descended into Hades after his soul separated from his body carrying the sins of the world and to declare victory over death.

You said nothing. If my choices influences my destiny my future, how then does your god know the future?
does your god know the future?
Is your destiny not in the future?
If your god is constantly reshaping destiny that means revelation may not happen or that one is CERTAIN to happen in the FUTURE?

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus Christ the same, yesterday, today and forevermore!

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The character is dead inside your own book.

Jargons

I don’t think Lakers fans even talk about curry, we have greater ops to criticize.

On what basis are you gonna compare lillard and curry?

OLAADEGBU:
Non sequitur!

The books you are basing your life on who told you they are yahweh words?

SIRTee15:
Why should we bother, when Africa is destined to be poor according to you

Your yahweh knows the future according to you abi
How nigeria will turn out is in the future.

My present choice will determine my future, does yahweh know the future?

SIRTee15:
Yahweh doesn't think sin, he's holy. He has no business with hell.
I already told u he sees every being he created in heaven, that's his plan for all men.
Its your choice to reject him and follow the path to hell.

Why then did yahweh send his child to earth if he doesn’t think sin?
Sin means disobedience to yahweh, so what you mean he doesn’t think sin?
Who created hell?
Who made satan the ruler of hell according to you?
When jesus died he took control of hell according to you right yet he doesn’t have business with hell? you keep contradicting yourself.

An omniscience god knows the exact number of people that will go to heaven or hell before he even created them.
A parents also sees all his children been successfully, that’s his plans for children But it may not work out because they are not omniscience, THAT IS WHY YAHWEH REGRETTED, HIS PLAN FAILED.
Your god is not all knowing and certainly can’t see the future.

Save yourself from ignorance, and look up on the origin of the word “hell”.

OLAADEGBU:
With my limited knowledge and my physical senses I have the evidence of God's existence as I have said earlier. When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I couldn't want a better evidence that there was a builder than to have the building in front of me. I don't even need faith to know that there was a builder. All I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.

The same principle applies to the existence of God. When I look at creation, how can I know that there was a Creator? Creation reveals to me that there is a Creator. I couldn't want a better evidence that there is a Creator than to have the creation in front of me. I don't need faith to believe in a Creator, all I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:20).

But if I want the builder to do something for me, then I need to have faith in the builder. Likewise God, for

"Without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6).

If you need to know more about God you need faith based on His Word and His creation.

You know a building has a builder because you’ve seen builders building it BEFORE.
Using your logic, have you seen ocean before, why don’t you think an ocean was created by humans?
It’s because you’ve not seen an human create one before, why don’t you use your eyes and brain to tell us the humans that created oceans?

What if this builder do things unconditionally?
Did the builder ask you to have faith in him?
How will your faith help this builder?

OLAADEGBU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wPehRaoYZM



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Atheists converting to Theists is not uncommon, what’s special?

advocatejare:
What I choose to do with my time or who I choose to respond to is none of your business. My mission is to expose the lies of Islam here on nairaland and to expose the hypocrisies of Muslims on Nairaland that everything they may accuse Christianity for is what their Islam is guilty of.

Are you doing all these because your parents don’t love you and you need nairaland for attention.

What’s funny to me is that you and Muslims are both Abrahamaic gods worshipper.
Your creation story is the same, copied from tanakh.
Elohim is same as Allah.

Toluilori008:
Good is God

Good things don’t cause harm.

OLAADEGBU:
Non Sequitur!

“When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I couldn't want a better evidence that there was a builder than to have the building in front of me. I don't even need faith to know that there was a builder. All I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.”

You know a building has a builder because you’ve seen builders building it BEFORE.
Using your logic, have you seen ocean before, why don’t you think an ocean was created by humans?
It’s because you’ve not seen an human create one before, why don’t you use your eyes and brain to tell us the humans that created oceans?

OLAADEGBU:
Non Sequitur!

“But if I want the builder to do something for me, then I need to have faith in the builder. Likewise God…”

What if this builder do things unconditionally?
Did the builder ask you to have faith in him?
How will your faith help this builder?

OLAADEGBU:
Ready to Reason

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Does this logic apply to other religious books and their gods, or only yahweh and bible?

OLAADEGBU:
Ready to Reason

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So quran and vedas are right?
And allah and brahma are one of the supreme gods?

Or this your logic is on yahweh and Bible?

OLAADEGBU:
Matthew 24:35

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The same person that is regretting?

Deuteronomy 32:8-9

OLAADEGBU:
1 Peter 3:15

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No wonder this Christ is so needy of believe and love.

OLAADEGBU:
He came from heaven to earth to show the way, from the earth to the cross our debts to pay, from the cross to the grave, from the grave to the sky. Lord we lift your name on high!

Your creator died for 3 days

He paid to himself to himself, what an omniscience god

OLAADEGBU:
Acts 1:11

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How did jesus get to earth? From sky?

SIRTee15:
Africa has no hope and it's lost. Na wa o. No wonder u guys vote for irresponsible leaders since what will be will be. Maynman do you agree with him?
In that case, africans should sit their butt in Africa and stop migrating to place where they believe the prosperity and future of their countries is in their hands.

It’s you that believe yahweh is omniscience and knows the future yet he doesn’t know destiny.
Is destiny not in the future?

Africa needs thinkers who are independent of religion.

I ask once again, define foreknowledge and destiny.
Does all knowing yahweh know the exact number of people that will go to hell?