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Hope2014:
A deeper life Pastor once said Barnabas backslided and started persecuting the saints. I don't know whether it is true

Who are the “saints”?
In what century?
This are statements that can be debunked or confirmed easily…

Kobojunkie:
And when Jesus Christ arrived, He made it abundantly clear that He is not the Father but He is one with the Father. So, should we not believe Jesus Christ, who after all, is the Father's contract to us?

As told by the early church fathers.
Why do you believe early church fathers but not nowadays church fathers?

And hope you know you are practicing nicene Christianity CREATED by church fathers

Ignorant bud that’s just learning about yahweh and shasu tribe is also talking.
Keep reading https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
You’ll soon find out the truth about your logos

Hope2014:
Did apostle Barnabas write his own Bible

Just like all books in the jewish and Christian bible, it was traditional said to be written by him
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

Keep quoting tanakh .
Yahweh mother

Omooba77:
Yes about Dios.....

Which Dios?
Israelite Dios?


And it’s called THEOlogy not DIOSlogy lol

Bossdave:
Hahaha. The sashu adopted Yahweh from Egypt, and where did the Egyptians adopt Yahweh from?
.

See your yahweh, where does this come from?
Or where does yahweh father, EL comes from?
Or where does Yahweh mother, Asheerah come from?

Kobojunkie:
How come e get as e be?

Every lies will be debunked on here.

Bossdave:
Oh oh. You're not questioning why Jesus was mentioned in the Bible again? Laughable!


Hahaha. The sashu adopted Yahweh from Egypt, and where did the Egyptians adopt Yahweh from?
.

Illiterate, show me where “I questioned jesus was mentioned in the bible”


First off who is this Yahweh they are adopting?


Ooh boy they are gotten from epic poetry because they are MYTH!
Should we go on to Mesopotamia to understand better, that’s where abraham was born.
And you worship one of the Abrahamaic gods right?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Magical_Papyri

Omooba77:
You are free to enrol sir....

To learn about theos?

Bossdave:
You're a dummy.

Always arguing with yourself. Now compare what I said with what you said and see how foolish you are. Don't you use your senses? Always arguing with yourself.

Once I settle down, I'll furnish you with the 10 proofs I spoke about. For the meantime, you can continue your lies since you're jobless. Tonight, I'll debunk your lies.

Illiterate, when did i also say otherwise before you jumped in and Said I don’t know what “tanakh” means, show me my mistake that warranted that desperate action from you?

Yahweh worshipper, why are you deceiving yourself, lying desperately to defend your deity, are you intentionally making yourself dumb?
Let me tell you again, shasu tribe adopted Yahweh from Egypt.
Your Yahweh has a mom “cum” wife

I’ll give you links that will aid your research once you settle down.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuntillet_Ajrud_inscriptions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasu

I’m even glad you are doing research about your deities. It’s a positive.

Bossdave:
You have very low IQ, otherwise you wouldn't be talking giberish for lack of comprehension of simple texts.

I already clarified that the Tanakh is a part of the Christian Bible. Not the whole. The Old testament is the Tanakh Part of the Christian Bible. It does not feature Jesus Christ. The Jewish Bible which is the Tanakh is called old testament in the Christian Bible. That should be clear to even a dummy.

The Christian Bible consists of Old testament (Tanakh) and New Testament. The Jewish Bible is Tanakh alone.

I've explained now like someone explaning to a dummy, if you still don't get it, you need to see a doctor.

I've told you that Amenhottep IiI viewed the Israelites as being part of the sashu. And even if the Sashu tribes are different from the Israelites, your argument makes no sense because the Exodus happened in Egypt about 1500 BCE. The Amenhottep inscription was dated 1400 BCE. This means that the Israelites have promoted Yahweh before the Amenhottep inscription.

If you want to argue blindly or falsely that Israel was never in Egypt, I'll furnish you with 10 archeological proofs with dates that will debunk all your lies!

Illiterate why are you lying?

What you said is basic.
Judaism uses tanakh, and the Christian book which was written centuries later was added to it to make the Christian bible.
before Christianity was created, Judaism uses tanakh.
How are Israelite shasu tribe?
Are Israelite not from abraham again? Lol
Shasu tribe adopted yahweh from Egypt, and Israelite adopted yahweh from shasu tribe.. it seems you are missing that. Calm down and read..


The Amenhotttep inscription dates earlier than that and have you checked ramesses ll inscription, your body is hot, calm down and read. Lol
Where did amenhottep view “Israelite” as “shasu” bwahahahah. Please show me
Going to the extent of forming dates and names.
Religion ooo
When was “israel” created sef? Moses was a Israelite?
Your argument makes no sense.
Please furnish me with those archaeological proof, let’s see who Yahweh is
Read again

Beware of Fallen Watchers

THEOlogy

PoliteActivist:
So now you know. You can't claim not to know anymore. Go and tell the people who put things in your head that they lied to you. Tell them you can read the Bible yourself, that you can see for yourself how RIDICULOUS it is to compare Lord Jesus to Moses!

(Concluding)

Claimed a Unique Relationship with the Father

He said that no one knows the Son except the Father and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son decides to reveal him (Matthew 11:27). This indicates a unique relationship that the Father has with the Son. It also shows the authority that the Son possesses to reveal the Father to others.

Claimed the Ability to Give Rest to Anyone

Jesus invited anyone who is weary to come to him, and he would give them rest (Matthew 11:28). Only as a divine being could he give rest to all who come to him. Jesus had the ability to embrace anyone and everyone simultaneously.

Claimed That He Could Be Blasphemed Against

Jesus said that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven, though blasphemy against the Son of Man could be (Matthew 12:31-32). The Son of Man could be blasphemed, which indicates his deity.

Required Submission

Jesus told his disciples that if anyone wanted to come after him, he had to deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Jesus (Matthew 16:24). Jesus required others to submit to him as Lord of their lives.

Jesus Seen in His Glory as God the Son

Jesus was transfigured on the high mountain, while Peter, James, and John looked on. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Moses and Elijah appeared and talked to Jesus. While they were talking, a bright cloud came over them, and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Listen to him” (Matthew 17:5). Jesus is seen in his glory as God the Son, as distinct from the Father, and he is identified as God’s Son by God the Father himself.

Indicated That He Can Be in Multiple Locations Simultaneously

He said, “For where two or three are gathered in My name, there am I among them” (Matthew 18:20). Jesus indicated that he was omnipresent while on the earth. He could be anywhere where people were gathered in his name.

He also said, “And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age” (Matthew 28:20)—a claim to omnipresence. Jesus could not be with his disciples after he left the earth, unless he was also omnipresent in his deity.

Claimed to Be Lord

Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.” He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet?’” (Matthew 22:41–45)

Jesus referred to himself as the Lord of David, as well as the Son of David. This is an indication of both Christ’s humanity and deity.

2 Corinthians
Was Preexistent in Exalted Position
You know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you by His poverty might become rich. (2 Corinthians 8:9)

Jesus left the glory of heaven to identify with us. Jesus is preexistent and has an exalted position.

Still Works Mightily in Us
Since you seek proof that Christ is speaking in me. He is not weak in dealing with you, but is powerful among you. (2 Corinthians 13:3)

Jesus must be omnipresent and omnipotent to work powerfully among his people.

Is in Us
Do you not realize . . . that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! (2 Corinthians 13:5)

Jesus must be omnipresent to live in each of us.

Ephesians
Fills All in All
And [the Father] put all things under [Christ’s] feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all. (Ephesians 1:22–23)

The Father gave the Son authority over all, and the Son fills all in all. This indicates that Jesus is divine. If he fills all in all, he is omnipresent.

Gives Us Strength
Be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of his might. (Ephesians 6:10)

The Lord is Jesus who still works mightily in our lives as a divine person, just as he did on his earthly mission.

Philippians
Equal with the Father
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:5–11)

This is a key passage on the incarnation. Though in the form of God and equal with God the Father, Jesus humbled himself to become a man and die (without ceasing to be God). Through the Father’s exaltation of him, ultimately everyone will confess that he is Lord.

Will Transform Our Bodies
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself. (Philippians 3:20–21)

Someday Christ will use his divine power to transform our bodies into bodies like his own body.

Colossians
The Image of the Father, Preeminent
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. (Colossians 1:15)

As the one who perfectly represents all the attributes of the Father, Jesus has the preeminence over creation.

Created All Things, Holds All Things Together
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. (Colossians 1:16–17).

Everything was created by Jesus and for Jesus. That is why he is preeminent. He holds everything in the universe together.

All the Fullness of God Dwells in Him; He Is Preeminent
“And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things. (Colossians 1:18–20)

Jesus is preeminent over all because of the power of the Resurrection. It pleased God the Father that all the fullness of God should dwell in God the Son. It also pleased God the Father that he should reconcile everything to himself by God the Son.

Works Mightily in Us
To [the saints] God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ. For this I toil, struggling with all his energy that he powerfully works within me. (Colossians 1:27–29)

Christ was in Paul, working mightily. He can work in us as well. Christ must be God to be present in each of us, and to work mightily in us.

All the Fullness of God Dwells in Him, Head of All Authorities
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority (Colossians 2:10)

If the whole fullness of deity dwells in Jesus, he is God. If he is the head of all rule and authority, then he is God.

Hebrews
He Made the World, He Is the Brightness of the Father’s Glory, Upholds All Things, Purged Our Sins
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. (Hebrews 1:1–3)

There are several statements in this passage that indicate Christ’s deity. It was through the Son that the Father created the world. He is the brightness of the Father’s glory, the exact imprint of his nature. The Son upholds all things by his power. He purged our sins and sat down on the right hand of God the Father. Jesus is certainly put here on the same level as the Father.

Worshipped by Angels, Called God
Having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, ‘I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son’? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, ‘Let all God's angels worship him.’ Of the angels he says, ‘He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire.’ But of the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”(Hebrews 1:4–13)

Jesus is better than the angels. He is God the Son. He is worshipped by the angels. He is addressed as God (“Your throne, O God, is forever”). The idea that Jesus is God is implicit in “Therefore God, even thy God, has anointed thee.” It could be translated, “Therefore, God the Father, the God of God the Son, has anointed thee (with God the Holy Spirit).”

Saves Us to the Uttermost
[Christ] holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself. (Hebrews 7:24–27)

Because he himself is God and will always make intercession, Jesus is able to save to the uttermost those that come to God the Father by him. Our high priest, Jesus, became one of us, yet he was sinless and therefore did not have to atone for his own sin. Since he is God, he was able to make a full and sufficient sacrifice for our sins.

Jesus Is Eternal, Immutable
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever (Hebrews 13:.

This speaks of Christ’s eternality and immutability, and therefore his deity.

1 John
He Is Eternal
The life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us (1 John 1:2).

Jesus is Eternal Life, and was revealed to the disciples as Eternal Life. If Jesus is Eternal Life, he is God.

Revelation
Jesus Says He Is the Alpha and Omega and the First and the Last: These Are Titles for Jehovah
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches. . . .” Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength. When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.” (Revelation 1:10–18)

The one who was dead and now lives again is obviously Jesus, who says that he is the First and the Last. This is a clear identification with the “first and the last” of Isaiah 44:6, a reference to Yahweh: “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.’”

“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end . . . I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price. . . . He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! (Revelation 22:12–17, 20)

Notice the “first and the last” also calls himself “Alpha and Omega.” In Revelation 1:8, it is the “Lord God” who calls himself Alpha and Omega. So “Lord God,” “first and last,” and “Alpha and Omega” all refer to the same being. In Revelation 22, the Alpha and Omega said he was coming soon. Who is the one coming? It is Jesus. “Come, Lord Jesus!” And the speaking “Alpha and Omega” actually refers to himself as Jesus in Revelation 22:16.

His masters in watchtower told him that jesus is the same as angel michael, all his arguments is to point towards that.

IgOga:
Stop spreading fake news.

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This was from a seminar held on 03 June 2021.

Campaign on facts, make your decisions on facts for a prosperous Nigeria

This is the first time I’m seeing this picture, it seems you people intentionally put out fake information so you can blame it on others.
Agbado boys indeed.

Bossdave:
Budaatum, this guy is not worth anyone's attention. His ignorance is out of this world.

He doesn't even know that the Tanakh is what we have as the Old Testament part of the Bible. It does not constitute the whole Bible, and yeah, Jesus was not mentioned there. The second part of the Bible which is the New Testament is where Jesus Christ was featured, and that part has nothing to do with the Tanakh.

Lying yahweh worshipper, you are getting desperate because I don’t worship your Israelite god.

Which religion uses the tanakh? It seems Christianity originated from that religion.

hope you know Bible literally means BOOK, and we have jewish bible called tanakh, and Christian bible called “new testaments”
You are just learning all these, so calm down to learn and not come to argue.

I’ve already schooled you on Yahweh of shasu tribe, i can still school you more on jesus Chrestus and Christian bible called the New Testament.
Dumb Illiterate!

Hope you know that a sango, ogun, baal and yahweh worshippers are all theists?
Then we have Atheist that don’t believe in any of these deities

Why did jesus die if y’all still experiencing all these?
Which world did he conquered? Seems like he was a failed messianic.

Food for thoughts for Indoctrinated Believers, why don’t you have knowledge on your belief?
https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

Yahweh of shasu tribe, it’s EVERYWHERE.

Keep Learning.

https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/

Kobojunkie:
He put it there because the Garden, and all in it, belongs to Him

So he knew adam would eat the fruit and he still put the garden there?

God/god/goD is a title not a person.
I see you are talking about the Israelite god here, yahweh of shasu tribe.

The Quran also have been corrupted.

Quran got some ideas from BARNABAS BIBLE.

DeepSight:
By presumption I simply meant your presumption that your co-discussant knows nothing of the origin of the Trinity.
My dear friend, it is well, I dont have the strength or inclination tonight, especially as I still don't see anything particularly interesting to discuss or debate.

I thank you for your several attachments and references all the same.

I said “i doubt you know ….”
The same way you doubted me earlier and I didn’t make a fuss about it.
My dear friend, i was on my own when you quoted me, next time don’t start what you don’t have the strength to finish.

You are welcome once again

DeepSight:
Okay, thanks all the same.
You do presume quite a bit though. But as we say - it is well.
Thx again.

I’m not presuming anything, your posts says all what i need to know. You can’t just wake up one day and say “allah” means table in your MIND, they’ll say you are crazy.

All words have its etymology and people’s opinions won’t change it.
And You are the one presuming without evidence, just your opinions.

And Also you brought in trinity that has nothing to do with the discussion. I’m very interested in your understanding of trinity.

Once again “god” is a title not a person, you writing capital G doesn’t change that. Sango is a god so as Baal.
And hope you know Jesus Chrestus is different from jesus of nazareth.

Once again, you are welcome.

DeepSight:
I know how the Trinity came to be, thanks very much.
If you are unable to see the point I make, thats fair enough.
Thanks again for your time.

You are not making any point, And i doubt you know the origin of trinity.
The Christianity practiced now is called NICENE CHRISTIANITY.
And besides “god” is a title not a person, you writing capital G doesn’t change that.

You are welcome.

DeepSight:
I really dont know what you are pressing, when I have told you that two people can use the same name, or derived name, and have two different things in mind. You still missed the point even with the example of the Trinity. I used it to show you how people using the same name for God can think of him with different attributes. Its really simple. I see nothing more here to debate.

Allah is not 2 people, allah means gods and it’s evident.
Allah and Elohim means same thing.
The trinity you mentioned has nothing to do with the discussion, it’s a created concept by tertulian when they were establishing the Christian doctrines.
Should we go to emperor Constantine and the Catholic so you can understand how trinity came to be?
And besides “god” is a title not a person. Just as deity is a title not a person!

EL, father of Yahweh.

DeepSight:
Ok, Maynman, I no gree, but I don hia.
Thanks for your time.

They are facts brother, you agreeing or not won’t change it or the etymology. The hebrew professor didn’t mention all these?
Well, Allah and Elohim even go far beyond hebrew language, which is under semitic languages.

DeepSight:
I do not subscribe to any religion. Frankly, I detest religion.

Regardless
Islam and Christianity are product of Judaism. Father of judaism is Abraham.
The god they worship in islam is Hubal, you’ll know that if you know the etymology of Allah.
In the Hebrew bible, elohim is a singke deity just like in quran allah is a single deity.
But just like the professor you watched Elohim and Allah are not single deity.

DeepSight:
No I mean the fact that people can use the same words and yet have different concepts of the attributes of the deity they refer to with the same word.



Islam, which is what I was referring to, does not teach that Allah has children. However you have clarified that you are not referring to Islam.

The example You used for trinity is error, you’ve seen the person that created it. Trinity means tripleness EVERYWHERE.
A word has his origin, people using it doesn’t change that, rather people using the word should know the origin and not bask in ignorance.
Allah and Elohim mean same thing they are the sons of EL

Before Islam was created, Allah existed.
The god they worshipping in islam is hubal.
Allah is not an arabic word
Go read up on pre Islamic practice, again the deity they worship in kabba is Hubal.
Founder of Islam is from where?