SIRTee15: Admit defeat here and we move to Yahweh. I'm sure unwill love to move, u don chop enough sand here.
Admit exactly what?
The wise teacher part mentioning jesus is a forgery by everyone. You went to bring “james, brother of jesus, who was ed christ” It has been confirmed that “christ” is a forgery.
Who is doing the forgery?
These are the evidences you can find for your savior?
SIRTee15: I'm very much happy to cure your ignorance of Yahweh just as I've done a very good job formatting your brain on historicity of 1st century Christianity.
SIRTee15: We talking about 1st century AD Christian history here. If u admit defeat, I will move to your next topic - Who is Yahweh.
I'm very much happy to cure your ignorance of Yahweh just as I've done a very good job formatting your brain on historicity of 1st century Christianity.
SIRTee15: We have other independent sources of the death of James brother of jesus and they all similar to the description gave by Josephus. First is hegessipus, a Christian historian in early church history.
He was called “Righteousness” and Oblias, in Greek meaning “Bulwark of the People.” James was revered as a good man even by those in the priestly class who did not believe his brother was the Messiah. In order to keep the Nazarene sect from spreading, the priests decided to implore James to denounce his brother publicly before the people. During Passover in c. 62 with tens of thousands of pilgrims in the city:
“…they (the priests) assembled and said to James: “We call on you to restrain the people, since they have gone astray after Jesus believing him to be the Christ. We call on you to persuade all who come for the Passover concerning Jesus, since all of us trust you. We and the entire populace can vouch for the fact that you are righteous and take no one at face value. So do persuade the crowd not to err regarding Jesus….So stand on the parapet of the temple where you can be clearly seen from that height and your words be heard by all the people with all the tribes and Gentiles too who are gathered for the Passover.” So the scribes and Pharisees made James stand on the temple parapet and they shouted to him, “O righteous one, whom we all ought to believe, since the people are going astray after Jesus who was crucified, tell us, what does the door of Jesus mean?” James replied with a loud voice, “Why do you ask me about the Son of Man? He is sitting in heaven at the right hand of the Great Power and he will come on the clouds of heaven.” Many were convinced and rejoiced at James’ testimony crying, “Hosanna to the Son of David.” Then the scribes and Pharisees said to each other, “We made a bad mistake in providing such testimony to Jesus, but let us go up and throw him down so that they will be afraid and not believe him.” And they cried out, “Oh, oh, even the just one has gone astray!”….So they went up and threw down the righteous one. Then they said to each other, “Let us stone James the Just,’” and they began to stone him since the fall had not killed him. But he turned and knelt down, saying, “I implore you, O Lord, God and Father, forgive them. They do not know what they are doing.” While they were pelting him with stones, one of the priests…cried out, “Stop! What are you doing? The righteous one is praying for you.” Then one, a laundryman, took the club that he used to beat out clothes and hit the Just on the head.
SIRTee15: The Christ part I said was ammended refers to the Jesus story NOT THAT OF JAMES story. The accurate passage of Jesus story was later discovered and was found Josephus didn't call Jesus Christ which would have been an aberration anyway.
Stop putting words into my mouth.
This is genuine. Those exact word Jesus who was called Christ was found in all manuscripts of the passage...Greek or any other language.
When are you going to look up the israelite god, yahweh Wikipedia? Or world history?
SIRTee15: The Christ part I said was ammended refers to the Jesus story NOT THAT OF JAMES story. The accurate passage of Jesus story was later discovered and was found Josephus didn't call Jesus Christ which would have been an aberration anyway.
Stop putting words into my mouth.
This is genuine. Those exact word Jesus who was called Christ was found in all manuscripts of the passage...Greek or any other language.
The james was referring to one of the sons of damnues, whose brother was jesus.
Who else would James, the brother of Jesus in a passage about high priest Jesus ben Damneus, be?
SIRTee15: These are definitely not interpolations. These are credible writings of Josephus confirmed by emeritus theology scholars including non biblical ones. If u have a problem with the writings, take it up with them not me.
The james part, you yourself said the “christ” is an alteration. “ Jesus Christ in its Greek form was altered by a Christian scribe at some point in antiquity, as Josephus, a Jew, would not have said, "He was the Christ." While this passage may have been altered somewhat”
SIRTee15: These are definitely not interpolations. These are credible writings of Josephus confirmed by emeritus theology scholars including non biblical ones. If u have a problem with the writings, take it up with them not me.
The wise teacher part is a FORGERY confirmed by all SCHOLARS!
SIRTee15: Continue with the mental gymnastics. Laslas u will be alright. U initially claimed James that was stoned was initially related to Judas of Galilee, now he's related to Jesus son of damneus. Pele, it's not easy defending foolishness. U must look foolish for it to make sense.
I already dealt with Jesus son of damneus, I won't be repeating myself.
You are the one defending rubbish, you yourself said “christ” was an interpolation yet you are using that line OUT OF THE WHOLE BOOK to defend your jewish deity.
Josephus refers to the death of James, brother of Jesus, in Antiquities XX.9.1. In the same paragraph, he also refers to Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.
I want you to see the big picture, josephus was writing about judas of Galilee, how will you write one line of a person in a story and you don’t talk about the person again,THINK NA
SIRTee15: Gamaliel spoke about Judas of Galilee when addressing the apostles. So he couldn't have been Jesus Christ.
Acts 5 33 When they heard this, they were furious and wanted to put them to death. 34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 35 Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37 [b]After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. [/b]38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
40 His speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
SIRTee15: Are u this dumb....Jeeez. who am I dealing with here. So because the the sons of Judas were killed. Every James that dies in Josephus report must be the son of Judas of Galilee.
I brought Josephus account of how James son of Judas was killed which is independent of how James brother of jesus Christ was killed. One was crucified, the other was stoned. One was killed on order of Alexander, the other was on the order of Ananias the high priest. The death of one led to the removal of the high priest.
How are the same person? Are u a retard or something.
How many James were talked about in the book? You are reading one page out of a whole book.
After reading the rest of the text of this passage we find that the Jews were so angry about the stoning of James that they demanded that King Agrippa fire Ananus. Why would the Jews be angered over the killing of a Christian, since Christians were seen as heathens by the Jews? Finally, the Jesus mentioned in the passage was in fact one “Jesus, the son of Damneus” in the last line. The name Jesus (Ἰησοῦ) was a very common name, especially in the 1st century CE which lends to the confusion.
SIRTee15: Josephus wasnt confused like u. He knew the difference between James brother of jesus Christ and James son of Judas. He wrote about them separately. U are the one doing a forceful merger of 2 characters into 1. Thats a binitarian concept, where did u get it from.
Read your own screenshot.
Judas of galilee was a zealot, those that died besides iesus christ are zealots 😂
SIRTee15: When u see the truth and denies it by creating an alternate delusion. Then u crossing over to the psychotic world. Here's what Josephus wrote about Judas of Galilee and his sons.
Yes read it. Who are his sons, how did they die.
Josephus book was about judas of galilee. The early church fathers use josephus book alot.
MrPRevailer: Book of Revelation does indicate its an individual/Man, not nations.
"And the beast was taken, and with {him} the false prophet that wrought miracles before {him,} with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped {his} image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20
SIRTee15: Actually the biggest evidence of Jesus in Josephus report is not the account of Jesus himself which has been bugged with controversy and scholarly dispute for years. But the account Josephus gave about Jesus brother, James is the stronger validation of Jesus. Virtually all scholars agreed that it was an authentic source and not an interpolation. If we accept the scholars report, then either Jesus Christ is a true historical figure or Josephus made it up. And this brings us to the apostolic fathers, and other non biblical historicity of Jesus outside of antiquity of the Jews by Josephus.
Infact, Josephus report isn't the earliest historicity of Jesus that we have.
Josephus was writing about judas of Galilee and his family, the James and simon that was killed were his sons. Get knowledge of the whole book not just a part to understand the book, josephus was writing about a violent group. James and Simons were Zealots, more specific they are sicarii.
SIRTee15: Christian and non-Christian – is that the passage that mentions Jesus Christ in its Greek form was altered by a Christian scribe at some point in antiquity, as Josephus, a Jew, would not have said, “He was the Christ.” While this passage may have been altered
Ramblings of a Jewish slave, worthless slave of a doomed creator, this is simple hebrew language but because of your agenda you don’t want to learn.
I know you are empty like your creator and can’t defend your yahshua jargons, you resorted to insults
I know the brainwashing and indoctrination has eaten deeply into you. Just as your creator will amount to nothing, you his slave too will be nothing.
Eranko jatijati, omo ale, worshipping dummy idols he calls creators, when will you stop this barrenness?
A worthless slave serving a worthless deity.
Elated177 odanra, when will you get it, that your creator is just one of the dummy israelite god, he begins and ends there
Elated177 will never arise to nothing good in his life, you will be worthless and die in penury
Elated177, ode Unfortunate slave, oloriburuku cum worthless yahweh slave, if you were are not insane and doomed then you will know you are an illiterate.
Elated117 , If you are thinking for yourself will you be basing your life on 66 edited books with UNKNOWN AUTHOR?
Elated117, Illiterate knows nothing about hebrew language, if you do you will see the nonsense your brain is thinking about.
A worthless slave to a Jewish dummy is doomed and unfortunate forever, Elated177 you will be a slave to the israelite god till you DIE.
mbaise1000: I will answer you like this: I believe that personally God created me to live a good life and that I am among THOSE that He wrote their name in the book of life from the foundation of the world, and I know that there are things required of THOSE, and I am doing THOSE things and having in mind that there are things I am supposed to avoid, though it is not easy, but that is my hope, I decide to push on, it's a choice, I made, that's free will. another person may decide to live anyhow, and not follow that way that leads to that salvation, and believe whatever he WANTS, it's his choice, and this person certainly must have heard that there is a way to live to be SAVED, that is why Jesus Said that the gospel must be preached to the end of the earth before the world, that it will be a witness against THOSE that does not believe.
Try thinking for yourself, don’t regurgitate what you have been told. See, If he is all knowing and is the beginning to end, you have no freewill.
In your bible, it says seek knowledge not BELIEFS.
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3And this will we do, if God permit. 4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. 9But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises. 13For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, 14Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. 15And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. 17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: 18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: 19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3And this will we do, if God permit. 4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. 9But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises. 13For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, 14Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. 15And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. 17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: 18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: 19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
“The Druidic inhabitants of “Glastonbury Lake Village” were highly skilled woodworkers and carpenters; hence, their god was a woodworker and carpenter named Yesu/Esus/Hesus, long prior the Christian era. When one understands the brotherhood and its priestcraft, it is not surprising that Jews who purportedly lived in the very heart of Druidism–the fabled Avalon itself–and who would know about the future Druid savior and other doctrines, would return from Palestine with tales that “the” Messiah by that very name had been born in Judea.” https://stellarhousepublishing.com/christ-great-britain/
ESUS – A TRINITY GOD
The Roman poet Lucan described ‘Esus” in a poem, the Pharsalia, dating from the 1st c. AD, the last great battle in the civil war between Pompey and Caesar. In it, he alludes to the journey of Caesar’s troops through southern Gaul and their encounter with three Gaulish gods: Taranis, Teutates and ‘Esus’ (Pharsalia I, 444-6). Lucan describes this triad (trinity) as cruel, savage and demanding of human sacrifice: ‘horrid ‘Esus’ with his wild altars’.
There is no J in Greek. Greek has no symbol that represents J nor does it have a sound that is equivalent to our J sound. The letter J was added on to the Latin alphabet in the Middle Ages to distinguish it from the consonant I.
“Many Celtic practices have been forgotten or diluted by Christianity and other evolving practices over the centuries, including the legend of Esus. Today, Esus appears in two places: on the Pillar of the Boatman and on another pillar in Trier, Ger-many. In both instances, Esus is shown cutting branches from a tree. The Celtic deity Esus (aspirated Hesus) is the god of Vegetation. To honor him, human sacrifices were made by lashing people to trees and flogging them to death. Esus is also associated with the sacred bull and depicted surrounded by cranes or egrets. It has been suggested that the tree Esus is cutting is the Tree of Life and the cranes represent the flight of the soul - either human or, perhaps, the tree's. In this way, Esus brings about death and destruction in winter to make way for rebirth in spring.
Lucan's Bel-lum civile from 61-65 AD: "And those who pacify with blood accursed Savage Teutates, Hesus' horridshrines, And Taranis' altars cruel as were those loved by Di-ana, goddess of the north" on Lucan, human victims were sacrificed to Esus by being tied to a tree and flailed.
Gold stater of the Dobunni tribe, discovered at Minster Lovell (Oxfordshire) England. The reverse bears the inscription ElSV, said to be derived from the Celtic divine name ESUS (Lord/Master), above a centaur and solar wheel, the latter associated with the Celtic Thunder God TARANIS.
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by Maynman: 12:41pm On Aug 04, 2023
? Are u a retard or something.