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Zaheertyler:
So what side are you on
The problem creators or the problem solvers
Or you dey fence

I am against the useless God hypothesis.
So what side are you on
The problem creators or the problem solvers
Or you dey fence

Kobojunkie:
I freed myself long ago from the many tales, all of them lies, of Religion.

But everything you know about Jesus comes from the tales of the Christian religion. You even quote the tales and call it "Scripture"
"The Scripture said...."

Ken4Christ:
Jesus said they are things that must surely come to pass. Your unbelief will not stop it. One day, you will stand before the Great White Throne judgement. And if your name is not found in the book of Life, you will be thrown into the Lake of fire. It was better you were never born than to experience that terrible place. It will be forever and ever.

What are the things that will come to pass?


It will be better if you were not born, than been born and wasting your life away with Jewish and greek mythologies.

I already told you to look up the Greek word of "eternal", what a Pity lol

Ken4Christ:
Sure. It's liquid fire. Hell is heaven compared with Lake of fire because they have period of rest in hell. But in the Lake of fire, you will be swimming in liquid fire for the rest of your life and at the same time in unbearable torment.

So what happens in Gehenna(hell)?
And what did Jews know "lake of fire" as in their language.

Ken4Christ:
They knew what he was saying. You are the one who doesn't know. And those who don't believe in the reality of hell twist the narrative to oppose the truth of God's word.

They knew that Gehenna means hell?
Which Jewish traditions says it is?
Quote the verses that shows that Gehenna was hell in old testament.
Do they also know that Sheol means hell? Kindly show me the references...

DeepSight:
Guarding that meteorite they keep kissing?

Bisimillahi rahman raheem

Before Mohammed they were different colors of stones in different shrines called Kaaba.
The one in Mecca had the black stone one, I don't know if it is a meteorite or a stone painted black.

DeepSight:
It is well.

Alhamdulillah

ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّٰهِ

If you look up the history very well, it's Hubal that is the Allah inside the shrine called Kaaba.
But it is well.

DeepSight:
You make many odd statements. Statements such as are self evident and neednt be made.
What you have just written here is like writing: "A nail is a thing."

Whoever thought it wasnt a thing.

The mind is part of everything, so where is the mind itself existing?

The eastern religions are very interesting they have different concept to explore what's beyong the mind, bro deepsight.

DeepSight:
Probably everything exists in our minds anyway.

The mind is also part of everything.

DeepSight:
I don't know. It could be an impersonal force, factor or element.

You are saying the same thing, being means to be.

Your god only exist in your mind truly.

Funny thing is some of these horrors and barbarism is caused because of the God hypothesis. It is the most useless hypothesis man has ever created..
An hypothesis is suppose to solve a problem but the God hypothesis has even created more problems.

But you were able to conceive that it is a being lol

Kobojunkie:
God's promises include blessings for those who obey His Law and curses for those who disobey His Law.

Yet this god told you to love and pray for your enemies, is the god no longer merciful?

Only those that are condemned need salvation/saviour.

HISSCRIBE1995:
I would be better than an atheist who believe there is no God ,because there would be no judgement upon me if the case be as the atheists believes, but not so for all atheist if it be that there is God ,and of course -there is God.
Don't gamble with your eternal destiny!

So your issue with atheists is because they don't worship any gods or because they don't worship the Christian god?

If it is the latter, then your concern should be about non-christians and not atheists.
Not all creator gods require their creations to believe they exist or else they will be damned/burnt/condemned etc.

John and James, son of thunders were the 2 criminals that were killed beside Jesus.

Dtruthspeaker:
From when morning starts.

But, "evening starts around 4pm or 6pm" and Morning starts in the "morning", got you.

Dtruthspeaker:
That was why the bible reported the time of death which many say is about 3pm.

And evening starts around 4pm or 6pm depending on whose calculation you use so, its 3 days.

Lol, When does the Morning start?

Ken4Christ:
The historical fact that people were burnt there was what brought about the figurative reference.

Also are you saying as jesus was born in 1st Ad, no Jewish person, prophet, writers knew that gehenna is hell?
Jesus started the concept?

Dtruthspeaker:
That is why most said 3 days and only Mark said 3 nights.

If evening and morning makes one day, how many days do we have between Friday and Sunday?

It was mark that said "after 3 days".

Ken4Christ:
The Jews used to sacrifice their children there. But it was later stopped and used just as a refuse dump.

The historical fact that people were burnt there was what brought about the figurative reference.

So tell me which Jewish people during Jesus time and now takes Gehenna as Greek hell?

Ken4Christ:
The Jews used to sacrifice their children there. But it was later stopped and used just as a refuse dump.

The historical fact that people were burnt there was what brought about the figurative reference.

Bodies of Criminals were burnt there, and during his days it's always on fire, filled with worms, weeping of gnashing of the relatives.

Ken4Christ:
Sure it was. Answer my question. Is that a parable?

The WHOLE BOOK OF REVELATION IS A PARABLE.

Ken4Christ:
Sure it was. Answer my question. Is that a parable?

Hell is a compartment at the center of the earth shaped like a woman. It was the body parts that every woman has.

It has mouth, legs, hands, belly etc. Jonah went to the belly. Jesus went to the heart.

After hell releases all it's inmate, hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of fire. So, there is nothing hard to understand about that.

So lake of fire is different from hell?

Dtruthspeaker:
"And the evening and the morning were the first day". Genesis 1;5

So how many evening and morning do we have between Friday evening and Sunday morning that makes up 3 days and 3 nights?

Ken4Christ:
Is this one also a parable?

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Is Sheol not also casted into lake of fire?

Ken4Christ:
Jesus used Gehena figuratively for the Jews to understand what he meant but he wasn't referring to the valley of hinnon. Because he said that the fire is never quenched and the worms do not die.

So what happens in valley of hinnom and what was it known for before Jesus reference it?

So which Jewish person in Jesus time and Now, takes Sheol and valley of hinnom as Greek hell.

DeepSight:
Thanks for the link. I have read through. Its just a hypothesis and says nothing of any note.

But on the portion which talks about God creating out of nothing. Please note that creatio ex nihilo (creation out of nothingness) is not the only precept of creation. There is also creatio ex materia (creation at out of some pre existing material) and creatio ex deo (creation from God's very own substance)

It's just for the context of what I an saying, that everything has always existed.

That portion is talking about the Christian view na

Ken4Christ:
I have explained to you. Well, you can't understand the things of the Spirit unless you are born again.

do you take the parable of kingdom of God as a seed as literal too same way you take the sheep and goats 'hell' parable?

Ken4Christ:
I just explained to you what the seed represent. The seed is not literal but the message is clear.

Even Jesus in one of the parable said the seed is the word of God. And the soils are the different conditions of the hearts of men.

do you take the parable of kingdom of God as a seed as literal too same way you take the sheep and goats 'hell' parable?

DeepSight:
My dear brother, you have me entirely lost.
Its okay, it was a pleasure discussing.

well, maybe this link will make it a bit clear ...from science view.
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/science-the-universe-has-always-existed-really-bad-news-for-young-earth-creationism/

Ken4Christ:
I never said Jesus didn't mention Gehena. But in some other illustrations pointing to the same place of torment, he used other terms so the reader who honestly wants to learn will clearly understand what is being taught.

For instance, if hell simply means the physical grave that we know, it sounds foolish to make comments like;

1. The Gates of hell. Do physical graves have gates?

2. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Do lifeless body weep and gnash their teeth.

3. As deep as hell. Do you use a grave that has a shallow Dept as a reference for depth? Even the deep ocean was not used. Because hell is far deeper than the deepest ocean.

4. The scripture says that the wicked shall be turned into hell - Psalms 9:17. If hell means grave, is it only the wicked that goes there?

5. Cast into hell or thrown into hell. Do you throw people into graves. Death bodies are gradually lowered into Graves. They are never thrown.


Check my thread on the differences between hell and grave for more information.

bro, gehenna does not mean grave,, sheol means grave, stop conflating the 2.
the bible never used 'HELL', only later TRANSLATION ignorantly translated these terms to "hell".

Also i am an a-theist. see a fellow christian like you. just try to read it
https://medium.com/@BrazenChurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaa