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Ken4Christ:
It one context, it means that everything in the kingdom of God revolves around the principle of send sowing and harvest. What you sow is what you reap. And you reap in multiple proportions.

In another context, it refers to how the kingdom of God grows. It might look smallest at the beginning but incredibly large just like a seed grows into big trees.

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do you take the parable of kingdom of God as a seed as literal too same way you take the sheep and goats parable?

HellVictorinho6:


U dont determine what i mean

ok.

HellVictorinho6:
U dont speak 4 the mind

or you mean you dont think for the mind?

HellVictorinho6:
Like.....

Nuff said

Imagine the comparison

the mind only works in duality.

DeepSight:
It may even be a created being.

nothing can be "created" it can only be MADE. everything you need is already in existence.

DeepSight:
The trouble is, you are using "non-existence" in a rather oxymoronic way - in a way that suggests that non existence is some peculiar type of existence. Contradictory.

As to your second paragraph, it's confusing enough, but all I can say is that from my point of view, that being which is worshipped as "God" - Yahweh, Allah, etc - by most people - is probably a being best understood as existing within an already existent reality - and not the ultimate source or root of existence.

the trouble is you think this your god is an entity standing somewhere outside space and time and intangible and invisible and formless etc, and creating 'existence'.

i am only saying existence is the opposite of non existence, just like front and back. non existence is needed for existence, just like 0 is needed for one.

even in the genesis story, yahweh meant the deep, FORMLESS and void, tohu and bohu, before he MADE heavenS and the earth.


also the, non being--nothingness is worshipped as GOD by the hindus.

HISSCRIBE1995:
So what are you trying to say ?

i am only asking questions.....

HellVictorinho6:
Nonsense

nonsense---sense
existence--non existence
front--back
being--non being.

DeepSight:
Zero really refers to nothingness, but the element I struggle to describe is not nothingness, and nothingness in fact does not exist.

for you to have existence, you need non existence, and vice versa. there was never a time that there was not both.

so this your god, a being didnt create existence, and it is a part of it just like the whole existence.
so what exactly did this god create or MADE, and why is this god needed?

HISSCRIBE1995:
God told moses to form it so as to use it as a prophetic reference pointing to the Jewish Messiah .
The serpent was lifted on a pole and all who look at it were healed
Jesus was lifted on the cross and all who put their trust and faith in him were given life and healed from their sins .

not all graven images are prohibited, got it as long as your god said it, and i know a lot of pastors that hear from your god lol.

but

why did hezekiah destroy it among other "pagan" idols to please the same lord or different one?
2 Kings 18:3-4
He did right in the sight of the Lord, according to all that his father David had done. He removed the high places and broke down the sacred pillars and cut down the Asherah. He also broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the sons of Israel burned incense to it; and it was called Nehushtan.

DeepSight:
I don't understand this term. What is a non being?

nothingness, hindus call it śūnya, where you get your zero from.

KnownUnknown:
No, it’s intangible and self existing.

haa bro, i no first look the moniker

DeepSight:
Truth is I don't know. It could be.

or it could be a non-being?

DeepSight:
However when I say intangible I am expressing the idea of a formless being.

so this thing is a being?

Ken4Christ:
Parables are truths conveyed using illustrations of events that could actually happen in reality.

So, even if it's a parable, it means it can actually happen and will happen.

For instance, the parable of the sheep and goats clearly reveals what will happen to those who ignore others who are in need. They will end up in hell fire.

So, all the parables carry a moral lesson. They are not fairy tales.

do you take the parable of kingdom of God as a seed as literal too?

Ken4Christ:
Different words were used.

no, gehenna was used.

go to this page, you will see the chistian part and where gehenna was used in the gospel books you are asking me to read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna


After that look up the history of gehenna inside the bible especially the old testament.

DeepSight:
I don't believe God has an image or any form. I believe that God is an absolute intangible.

for something to be "intangible" you are already contrasting it with the tangible, your god should be above both of it

HISSCRIBE1995:
Sure it is prohibited .
The titled of the post is talking about Jesus in an allegorical sense and not actually an image of a serpent ;I think you should know better

why did moses make one then, and why is jesus said to reference it?

Ken4Christ:
I hope you went to school? What is a parable?

do you take the parable of kingdom of God as a seed as literal too?

Ken4Christ:
The scripture pointing to the reality of hell are too many to be ignored or misunderstood. Go through the gospel of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. You will see infallible proves that hell is indeed real.

then mention one jew that takes sheol as hell, abi they dont understand it?

matthew, mark and luke talks about gehenna to his JEWISH AUDIENCE.
jesus never said 'hell'.
do your research, why take parable as literal lol

Ken4Christ:
It's not a parable. Because the fulfillment is contained in Revelation 20:10-15. It will certainly happen.

The everlasting fire is the Lake of fire in Revelation 20:10.

And those whose names are not in the book of Life will also be thrown in there after the final judgement - Revelation 20:15.

It is a parable. just like the parable of kingdpm of your god that is a seed. it is not to be taken literal

also look up the greek word of 'eternal'.

book of revelation was written by?
not to forget the author said all the events will happen SOO,....

How can we fit three days and three nights between a Friday afternoon crucifixion and early Sunday morning? Some Christian apologetics try to explain this by suggesting Jesus was killed on Wednesday, and that there were about two Sabbaths taking place back to back.
http://storage.cloversites.com/makinglifecountministriesinc/documents/Did%20Jesus%20die%20on%20Friday%20or%20Wednesday.pdf
https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/jesus-wasnt-crucified-on-friday-or-resurrected-on-sunday-how-long-was-jesus-in-the
But this is incorrect, as Jesus was killed on Friday, the day before the Sabbath.

I will be using the Gospel of Mark to explain this because it is the earliest to be written among the Gospels.
Some things to note:
The Book of Mark only mentions "3 Days" (Mark 8:31, Mark 9:31) and not "3 Days and 3 Nights." Additionally, the reference to Jonah is missing in the Book of Mark. Only the Gospel according to Matthew among the Gospels uses the reference of Jonah with the "3 Days and 3 Nights" in Matthew 12:38-41.

Mark 14:1-2.
1 Now the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were only two days away, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were scheming to arrest Jesus secretly and kill him. 2 “But not during the Feast,” they said, “or the people may riot.”
Mark 14:1 tells us of TWO upcoming events. Verse 2 states that the Pharisees and scribes cannot arrest Jesus on the day of the Feast because of the crowd, echoing Mark 12:12. Therefore, the only other event during which they can arrest Jesus is on the Passover, when he won't be with the multitudes.

Mark14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?-
Mark 14:12 talks about the first day of the unleavened bread, which simply means the Passover. The disciples prepared the Passover as directed by Jesus (Mark 14:16), and later that evening, Jesus and his disciples went to have the Passover.
Mark 14:17-- When evening came, Jesus arrived with the Twelve.

After Jesus had finished the Passover, Mark14:46 tells us that Jesus was arrested. He was then brought before the high priest and charged with blasphemy. According to Leviticus 24:16, "Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him.....".
The next morning, which was the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Mark 15:6), they brought Jesus to Pilate, and Jesus was crucified later that afternoon at 3 p.m.

Mark 15:42- It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached.
The Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is also the Same Day as the Day of Preparation, which is the day before the Sabbath. The Sabbath is on Saturday. This means that the day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was Friday, the day Jesus was killed, while Jesus was arrested on Thursday, the Day of the Passover.

Mark 16:9, although confirmed as a later addition, states that Jesus rose early on Sunday, the first day of the week. However, Mark 9:31 says, "They will kill him, and AFTER three days he will rise." Following this, Jesus was killed on Friday, and after three days will be Monday not Sunday.


Did Jesus ever meant the 3 days to be taken Literal or as a Parable? The disciples struggled to understand parables, as indicated in Mark 4:13 and Mark 7:17-18.
The Book of Matthew attempts to explain this "3 days" by referencing the Book of Jonah and his concept of "three days and three nights." However, the Book of Johah is not considered historically accurate by most scholars.
The Wikipedia page on Jonah about sums it up: “The consensus of mainstream biblical scholars holds that the contents of the book of Jonah are entirely ahistorical. … Many scholars regard the book of Jonah as an intentional work of parody or satire. If this is the case, then it was probably admitted into the canon of the Hebrew Bible by sages who misunderstood its satirical nature and mistakenly interpreted it as a serious prophetic work.”

But not only that, even Jewish Scholars and Rabbis regard the Book of Jonah as a Midrash and not a historical narrative. A midrash is a type of biblical interpretation that delves into the deeper meanings behind the text using Allegory and Metaphor. In the case of the Book of Jonah, it is seen as a midrash that thoroughly explores the theme of Mercy and Repentance.
https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8751-jonah-book-of

HISSCRIBE1995:
Prohibited in what ?

making of it and bowing to it.

so not all graven image is prohibited.

Ken4Christ:
How do you interpret scripture like this;

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Don't tell me the fire refers to Gehena, the valley in Israel. Because, Satan certainly can't be thrown into a physical valley. Use your brain. Thosebwhite men, Russell and Rutherford have brainwashed you. Must you continue to defend lies even in the face of contrary evidences?

is that not a parable? use your senses a little.
the kingdom of heaven is like a seed, do you also interpret it as LITERAL, why not?
why you so desperate for hell?

gehenna is a place where sacrfices and HUMAN BODIES ARE DISPOSED AND BURNT,

Ken4Christ:
Have you visited Israel to see if the fire in that valley is still burning. It doesn't any more. It's simply a place of refuse dump. But Jesus says that the fire there is never quenched and the worms do not die.

At least, you have converts all over the world. Why not ask those in Israel to confirm if fire is still burning in that physical valley.

jesus was talking about gehenna to his jewish audience during 1st century palestine, what will they think of gehnna then?
gehenna was not originaly used for dumping of refuse. look up the history of gehenna to understand what jesus meant in 1st century when he said, 'the fire there is never quenched and the worms do not die.'

there is spiritual worm in your hell?

The holy spirit was misused

Is there Goddess?

Ken4Christ:
You have been brainwashed to believe death means cessation of existence.

Jesus died but he still lives on.

The false prophet and the beast thrown into the Lake of fire in Revelation 19:20 are acknowledged to still be there after over 1,000 years in Revelation 20:10.

The problem with you people is that you still insist on your beliefs in the face of contrary evidences.

So, why didn't the false prophet and beast disappear?

You certainly don't have answer to it. You are just warming up to join them. Your eyes will be clear when you get there. Your brain will reset but it will be too late.

You have been brainwashed with Norse mythologies to believe there is a LOCATION called hell and heaven after you die.


Read again, you dont have to assume when you can do a little research on the HEBREW word and know what it means.
2samuel 22.6


The problem with you people is that you still insist on your beliefs in the face of contrary evidences.
In your new testament, sheol is translated into hades not hell.
revelation 20;14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Ken4Christ:
So, fire burns in your own grave? The scripture talks about the fire of hell;

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on FIRE OF HELL.

New testament is talking about Gehenna not hell.
Why don't you ask Jews that owns your Jewish bible what Sheol means? What are you afraid of?

do destiny helpers have their own destiny?

Ken4Christ:
Lets assume the word sheol in the passage of Jonah 2:2 means physical grave.

you dont have to assume when you can do a little research on the HEBREW word and know what it means.
2samuel 22.6

In your new testament, sheol is translated into hades not hell.
revelation 20;14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.