Ken4Christ:


Man is not a spirit but a spirit being. There is marked difference between both. The spirit of man looks exactly like the body. He is complete. Just the way you dream. You look complete in your dream.

Everything that exists in the physical has it's spiritual root. So, the spirit of man has every part complete in him. But in order to function on earth, he has to put on a physical body.

But you didn't answer my question. Lets assume the word sheol in the passage of Jonah 2:2 means physical grave. So, Jonah cried from the physical grave. But we know he was never buried.

You say that the dead are not conscious. So, how come an unconscious man cried?

what is spirit and spirit being?
what was in luke 24;39, what is been talked about ?

why dont you start from verse 1?
1. Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the belly of the fish, 2 saying,
“I called out to the Lord, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and you heard my voice.


sheol means grave, your grave can be in the water, on land or in the belly of a wild animal.

hope you know everyone goes to sheol and its never meant as 'hell' for wicked people. this is basic common sense.

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called fornication by who?

there is no life in religon, you guys are dead.

Ken4Christ:


But you say that those in the grave do not know anything. How come Jonah cried from the grave? Jonah 2:2

2. And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Use your brain. You have been deceived.

If the word translated hell above means grave to you, then you contradict your own doctrine that the dead are unconscious.

Please defend your lies.

this is obviously poetry., He uses a metaphor to describe his feelings inside the belly of the fish.

1. Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the belly of the fish, 2 saying,
“I called out to the Lord, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and you heard my voice.

use your senses, the jewish book are written in hebrew and 'hell' is never mentioned in the bible but in your english translations.


spirit has no flesh or bone, so how is 'weeping and gnashing of teeth' in your hell gonna happen?
oya defend your ignorance lies

Ken4Christ:


That is what you were taught by Russell and Rutherford who deliberately want to oppose the word of God.

Think very well.

Do graves enlarge themselves?

Do graves open mouth?

Do graves have gates? Jesus talked about the gates of hell.

Do people weep and gnash their teeth in the grave? Jesus talked about weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell.

Please, delete those rubbish that you have been taught and relearn. It's for your own good.

Both of your founders are already in hell in great torment. Unless you want to join them.

you are quoting jewish books, ask the jews themselves.
again, it is not to be taken literal, the verse in isiah says sheol, that is grave.

jesus was telling his JEWISH AUDIENCE about GEHENNA.

think very well, spirit has no flesh or bone, so how is 'weeping and gnashing of teeth' in your hell gonna happen?

Kobojunkie:
Basically, God was not mute — unable to speak —before the world began.

to speak, dont you need air?

Ken4Christ:


There is a physical earth and there is a spiritual earth. The physical earth clothes the spiritual earth. Just as you have the physical heaven and the spiritual heaven. No matter how high you fly, you will never see the spiritual heaven where God dwells.

Hell itself is a spirit being lying on her back at the center of the spiritual earth. It has every part of the human. It has mouth. This is why the scripture says;

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

The verse above also says that hell enlarges itself to accommodate more people.

it is not to be taken literal, the verse in isiah says sheol, that is grave. there is always space for dead people to be buried.

Kobojunkie:
Well, let's start with you telling us exactly were you got this idea that only those who met with Jesus Christ in person could know and write down His Words as He said it?

jesus said only those that were with him are the witnesses to his word.

Kobojunkie:
Where in either verse do you get this "started" from since both verses instead suggest that the Word was?

The word was toward which God?

Kobojunkie:
Even the book of Revelations was written before 70AD and not after.

lol, written by john the apostle or john the elder?

what did your early church fathers especially Caius (presbyter) say about the authors

book of revelation is also dated later than 70AD

Kobojunkie:
Implying ke?
Basically, God was not mute before the world began.

the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was there with God in the beginning.

Kobojunkie:
Again, Luke and all the other Gospels were written in the first century BC, before 70AD!

no, luke was not written in first century, in fact your present luke is from marcion. also, the author of luke and acts are 2 different people.

even book of john was written later than 70AD, they said it was writen in rome

Kobojunkie:
You mean verse 2 does not follow the same beginning explained in verse 1?

you are using kjv, use another VERSION. everything was made through him, not made by him.

Kobojunkie:
This isn't a translation issue but a simple Language comprehension problem. Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's own mouth. Certainly, God was not one a mute, was He?

also notice difference between the GOD, theon and the god theos.

Kobojunkie:
Luke and all the other Gospels were written in the first century BC!

no, luke was not written in first century, in fact your present luke is from marcion. also, the author of luke and acts are 2 different people.

Kobojunkie:
The statement means exactly what John, the author, intended for his words to mean to me. So, this other meaning you need it to mean is yours, not mine. Clearly, the author insists that the Word was(past tense) already there before the beginning. So, any other meaning is foreign to the intentions of the author.

the word was WITH God, then later the word that was WITH God became god.

it seems, it is only when you die that you will have peace, while alive keep on fighting your imaginary demons.

Kobojunkie:
I read the book of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, books which were all written during the first century, the same generation that Jesus Christ had been a part of. That is how I came to believe in the person of Jesus Christ.

Luke was not written in first century.

Michael547:

Can you mention a religious group that enlightens its people

enlighten them on what?

Omooba77:
We are enjoined to be perfect even as our heavenly Father is perfect. Is it possible as human?

Do you love and pray for your enemies?

Jesus has a custom of preaching on Sabbath day, Luke 4:16.
Ask any Jew when is the Sabbath day....

Aemmyjah:


Ok sir

OK, Jewish dust.

MaxInDHouse:



If you must know Hell simply means Grave and there is no activity in the grave. Ecclesiastes 9:5-10


Satan and his demons are the only ones God has in mind to send to this condition

So where will your god send Satan and his demons to, is it hell, Which you said simply means grave?

MaxInDHouse:

He is jobless, faithless, hopeless and mannerless all he's happy doing is gaining people's attention then exchanging insults here and there.
That's why he doesn't worth the response of any sane individual!

And you are a useless and worthless slave, slaving for the Jews and their gods.

Madmax that if his daughter is raped by the jw elders, he will not report to police because he does not want to tarnish the organisation name

Aemmyjah:


Define education
Who educated you that you came from fish?
Are yu a fish or human?

Define Human

Who brainwashed you that you came from Jewish dust just like animals?

Aemmyjah:


I answered the lady finally and she's run away and not returned till now
Even Jaephoenix has retired
Oga, go and learn work and make your life useful or get a job

You created 4 monikers. One to type nonsense and 3 to like and share the nonsense you type

Whether he created me from God or from water or from another matter... I look at myself in the mirror and see that I am wonderfully made and in an awe-inspiring way. My make-up draws me closer to nature like we complement each other. The elements found in the ground are also in us.
Educate Jaephoenix that he should adjust his view that you're descendant of fish
Let him educate you to make you adjust your that you're descendant of Ape
I'll tag someone to educate you both that you're descendant of bacteria
Or maybe you'll tell us that you're descendant or bacteria, fish, ape and humans by accident (chaos)

See how low and stupid atheism have brought you to with the false promise that you're wise whereas it's sheer folly

Again name the book and it's writer that told you that you're descendant of fish? You're criticizing my own book but you can't present yours or convince us? Atheists don't even educate themselves like religious people do, only to run from thread to thread, wailing and pushing pessimism.
My book gives me hope of a better future, gives my life a sense of purpose and makes me a better human morally, physically, mentally, spiritually, socially, etc . Tell us how your book is helping you other than live-for-the-moment like animals
The atheist foolish one says 'there is no God'
Bacteria and ape is and your god and Darwin is your master

The lady disgraced you, even coined a nickname befitting for you.
You are a descendant of Jewish dusts just as animals.

The theist, especially the idiotic ones says their god is Yahweh.

Jewish deities, Yahweh and his father are your creators.

Again, Mention the writer that says it was Yahweh the Israelite god that created you from dust.
Thank you.

The prophet should be more concerned about when he will ALSO die.

Aemmyjah:


You're the descendant of fish
When last did you spend time with your ancestors
Go to the blue sea and see how they will welcome you into their gut

Atleast it is reasonable and logical I'm a descendant of 2 humans - male and female human

Which fish did you come from?
Eja alaran abi eja Titus? 🐠

That's why education is important, you not even coherent.
You are descendant from a Jewish dust same dust he used for animals.

Jewish eruku

Aemmyjah:


Well, I am convinced beyond doubts that the Book is inspired of God by examining the contents, how it changes life for the better, the translation, distribution, survival, scientific and historical accuracy and prophetic fulfillment. The names of each writer(s) of the books are well known. You're just overly pessimistic deceiving yourself that it is critical mindedness and we know that over pessimism is not an attribute of intelligent minds. You were even arguing that Jesus never existed until SIRTee15 came and reset your head. Person wey no sabi smoke and aroma wan see conviction about writers of a books that it's writing began almost 4000 years ago and were completed about 2000 years ago. Oga, I can't force you to be unreasonable.
If you don't accept the writers are known, no problem. Mention the writer that said you are a descendant of fish. Thank you and enjoy the rest of your week

The Jewish book that you are basing your life on has brainwashed you or convince you that it is from their Jewish god, Yahweh.
Yet just a little research on those books shows they are Jewish mythology.
You are just overly credulous and suffering from sunk cost fallacy.

Is it not a lady(Thorrn) that disgraced you on your thread and showed how low thinking you are

Person wey dey worshiped deity that loves the aroma of burnt offerings.
I can't force you to be free from your Jewish bondage, you love it.

Mention the writer that says it was Yahweh the Israelite god that created you from dust.
Thank you.


I wonder what he created animals with, dust also??
See your life....

Aemmyjah:


Lookin at the fruitage
We've accomplished greater things than what the educated minds cannot accomplish - peace, unity, unselfish love and hope.
Education is not bad tho, we are not against education and you can show us any publication that frowns against education (if you even understand the meaning of education) All of us know how to read and write and we even conduct literacy education in many remote areas to educate them. There is formal and informal education, secular education, religious education, vocational education,... I don't know which education you're talking about ... Why are science professors tryna indoctrinate students to accept evolution which has no foundation. In the Western world, young witnesses who don't accept it are persecuted and teachers who don't teach it as facts are fired. The negative influence in higher institution is very strong and heavily impact young minds which is why the rate of abortions, immorality, drugs, cheating s very high.
Besides, the greatest education ever comes from theocratic teaching and it's something the most learned ones among us are humbly learning.
Jesus and the Apostles had no formal education but they have the greatest influence than many educated ones. We too are benefitting from the same Grand instructor
Even with the most educated minds, world problems are still there and getting worse
People mostly pursue higher education in the hope of better jobs but no jobs these days and unemployment is increasing. Millions of people are admitted to school and millions are graduated but hiw many people have jobs? It's usually those with skills that are enjoying life now and it's amusing to see those with little or no formal education teaching graduates how to sow, fix vehicles, barb hair to make a living.

Maybe you should even visit anyone around you and learn a skills and make use of your valuable time rather than argue with everyone on NL since you have absolutely nothing to do

You are a "descendant of man and woman", no wonder the organisation keeps you uneducated.

Once the mind is dull, it's easy to indoctrinate.

Aemmyjah:


I am a descendant of a man and a woman

Who do you say is your first descendant again?

What's the use of shamelessly basing your life on Jewish books written by unknown authors?

You were created by Yahweh, a dummy Israelite god, that's your descendant.

Aemmyjah:


Ok na
What is the need of basing your life on books that tells you that you're a fish descendant?

What's the use of shamelessly basing your life on Jewish books written by unknown authors?

Kobojunkie:


3. God only forgives those who are first holy and righteous. So, if you are not already holy and approved righteous by God, you continue to carry your sins along with you until you completely unload yourself of them all first. God's kind of forgiveness is not to be compared in anyway to that of men.

God forgive those who forgive other first, read up on how Jesus told his disciples to pray.