My brother med. I love you for the sake of God, and I feel I should turn the other cheek.

When you are , inshAllah ready, you come back and answer, if not, I'll never hold it against you.

A wise man said want for your brother what you want for yourself, and I feel that way about you

As Salamalikum

Thank God she refused. boko haram need to be tracked down, hunted, and killed like the dogs they are.

Christians and the good people of Nigeria \ Africa should have a right to feel peace and security from these terrorist scum bags.

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K9Uneet:
If you can't find it in your Bible, please check your Qur'an. Maybe you'll find it there.

Peace.

I acted upon your advice my brother and couldn't find anything regarding glorifying the cross .

Medicis:
Answer my question?? Please now......

My brother, please if you cannot answer my question or unable too, I would never hold it against you.

Might I suggest creating your own thread, instead of hijacking mine.

Medicis:
I Stop deceiving urself with ur greetings of peace. The Bible is not corrupt, pleeeeeaase answer my questions? I'm waiting....

Peace.
My brother your corrupting my thread. Perhaps you can make your own

"Oh, this is an old testament law that we Christians don't have to follow...." I find that to be quite an interesting statement.

Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.

The verses of Matthew 23:1-3 "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)" We clearly see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it.





2- The laws, rules and directions on how to live your life:

Now, as for life's laws and issues, the Old Testament for instance prohibits a son from marrying his own mother, sister, or father's former wife. The Old Testament also orders those who commit adultery to be burnt in fire, and those who decide to desert their religion and follow another religion must get stoned to death (Deuteronomy 13:6-9, and Deuteronomy 17:3-5). Also the Old Testament orders Gays and Lesbians to be burnt in fire.

These laws were put by Jesus himself (assuming that Jesus is GOD himself as Christians believe). However, these laws do not exist in the New Testament. Does this mean that since these laws do not exist in the New Testament, then that would allow the son to marry his own mother? or the brother to marry his own sister? or a Gay person to become a minister or priest in a church? and if that would be ok, then wouldn't that all be a contradiction to what Jesus wants since he is the one who inspired the Old Testament?

The New Testament did have laws that modified the Old Testament's ones. I do not have a problem with those laws, and yes I do agree that Christians must not follow the laws of the Old Testament that were modified by the New Testament. What I am finding very confusing from the Christians is that they base their life all on the New Testament, and the New Testament does not have many laws in it. It hardly covers any hot topic or issue that we deal with in our life. For instance, the Old Testament has its own laws for inheritance, but the New Testament doesn't.

Now, if a father dies and leaves $1,000,000 to a family of 1 boy, 2 girls and a widow wife. According to the Old Testament, only the boy inherits all, and the two daughters and the widow wife must live under the son's laws and mercy according to (Numbers 27:1-11) in the Old Testament. This law was put by Jesus himself (since Jesus is GOD according to the Christians belief). My question is, since the New Testament does not even talk about the topic of inheritance, but the Old Testament does, then wouldn't it make more sense for Christians to follow the laws of the Old Testament, since both the New Testament and the Old Testament were inspired by Jesus himself?

It seems to me that the New Testament is not a religion, but rather a story of Jesus' life. Yes, I as a Muslim do love and respect Jesus (peace be upon him) a lot, because we Muslims believe that he is a Messenger from Allah Almighty. However, we do not believe that the current Bible is the true word of God. We believe that the Original Bible still exists today, but is lost. If you study the New Testament carefully, you would notice that Jesus' teachings only cover a column and a half of a news paper today. Jesus lived among his people for 33 years, and all we have from his personal sayings are a column and a half worth of words in a news paper!!!

If you look at the Western World today (which is mostly Christians), you would notice that their constitutions and way of life is not Biblical at all. They avoid Jesus' teachings in the Old Testament (since he is GOD himself and the author of the Old Testament), and they almost don't have any law that deals with life in the New Testament. My question in this case, what kind of standards does the Christian religion have? If Christians have to create their own laws to manage to survive life and its issues, then my friend, wouldn't that make Christianity a useless and irrational religion?

Its unfortunate and quite obvious that Christians today made their Bible a useless religion. They refuse to follow the Old Testament, which covers all of life's laws and issues, and they only stick to the New Testament, knowing that (1) the Old Testament was inspired by Jesus himself, and (2) both the Old Testament and the New Testament form what we called today "The Holy Bible". If the Old Testament must not count for Christians today and they must not follow it, then why is it part of their Holy Book? and why follow part of Jesus' teachings and not all of them, meaning, why follow the New Testament alone and not the Old Testament when Jesus himself is the author of both books?.

Important Note: When a Christian mother doesn't marry her son, does she not do that because the Old Testament prohibits it or because she just wouldn't do it? When a Christian brother doesn't marry his sister, does he not do it because the Old Testament prohibits it or because he just wouldn't do it? I think this is a very concerning issue today in the United States of America. Today we have Satanic (according to Islam's views) groups such as the Gays and Lesbians, He-Shes, and nude people swimming at the beaches. It would not surprise me if brothers and sisters start marrying each others here in the U.S., and still call themselves Christians. People in the U.S. and the West are becoming more and more corrupted with H.I.V and A.I.D.S diseases spreading rapidly among their societies.

Don't tell me "Any normal person wouldn't sleep with his sister", because 50 years ago, we used to say "Any normal person wouldn't sleep with his own gender", and today in California USA, CHRISTIAN men not only sleep with other CHRISTIAN men, but they also MARRY each others!. Same applies for women there. Check this out:

On Jerry Springer Show here in the US (one of the most popular shows that discuss social issues in the country), on Monday 6/11/2001, the show's title for that day was "I am sleeping with my son". From among the people that were brought on for that day, some sons and their mothers are even planning on having babies! The fathers were in great shock.

Where do you draw the boundaries for sinning? The NT lacks a great deal of teaching regarding these issues. Perhaps the writers of the NT saw no need to mention anything about these issues because they counted on the OT to do the job.

Something for all Christians and their Churches to think about.

My friend, I am not trying to criticize Christianity. All I am doing, is raising some very important and legitimate questions about Christianity and its laws.

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Greetings of peace.

What is causing Churches to be turned into Mosques. Are Christians rejecting Church attendance?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-s9wsNZq1g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzWu_8M1_dM

Medicis:
Question 1:
If the Bible was corrupted, was this before or after Muhammad? Question 2:If before, why does God tell Muhammad to refer to a corrupted Scripture for guidance, and why does he say of the Torah and Gospel ‘wherein is guidance and light’ rather than ‘wherein there used to be before they were corrupted’? Note: Current Scripture translations are all based upon manuscripts that predate Muhammad?

My brother greetings of peace.

I asked a question. If you cannot or are unable to answer I'd never hold it against you.

Peace

I can't find anywhere in the Holy Bible where it tells me to do this, help !


Do I have a bad Bible, or an outdated version ?


Let's stick to the topic please my brothers and sisters, derailing is weak sauce.



Salamalikum peace Shalom.

Shalom salamalikum peace

I'd like to say thank you to everyone who took time from thier schedules to comment, and a big thanks for keeping it civil.

Thank you kindly.

fuckerholic:
Muslims always having headache in christianity issues.
If it has,what do you wanna do about it ?
If it has not,are you gonna repent and believe in it ?
Mind your religion..! Underdogs !

Riveting tale.

Are you able to answer my question though?

Freelanswer:
It's obvious you're seeking controversy. You asked 'IS THERE ANY PROOF THE BIBLE HASN'T BEEN CORRUPTED?' Why not 'IS THERE ANY PROOF THE BIBLE IS GENUINE?' (I mean your bias and prejudice showed in your negative use of words already; your stance shows you won't even listen). Why not state your reason for even thinking the bible may have been corrupted - if knowledge and not controversy is what you are seeking - to enable someone who cares know how to help you? And now - remember I'm a Nigerian - IS THERE ANY PROOF THE QR'AN HASN'T BEEN CORRUPTED? You can't be right if you say I've derailed because both are scriptures. Either supply your reason for thinking the bible may have been corrupted and I will respond, or give me proofs that the Qr'an hasn't been corrupted. Why? The Arabic in your signature shows you're Muslim. So, what could make you this late night to suddenly stop minding your own scriptures and instead to start minding those of others? I'm waiting.

Cute rant.

Anyway back to the topic. Is there any proof?

Salamalikum shalom peace

Is there any proof the Bible hasn't had additions , deletions , altering , or corruption?



Please stay on topic no derailing.


Thank you kindly

Brother greetings of peace

Respectively I to the best of my ability answered every question using both books without so much as asking a question back.

Your next step in your quest for knowledge would be too look for scholars of the highest immenence on both sides.

Bon chance !

3:49 And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “I have
come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were,
the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave: And I
heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah’s leave; and I
declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign
for you if ye did believe.”

Perhaps he could hit the morgue circuit , live streaming himself raising an army of zombies to fight boko haram !!!!!!

I think he can only raise a dollar from a pocket

What about Aisha's parents (mom and dad),

Since Aisha's parents both approved of her engagement with Jober and later approved to her marriage to Muhammad, is it fair for anyone to call her mom and dad and former fiancée and whole tribe all child molesters? I think whoever does that would be out of his mind and needs to study a little history about the Middle East.

Let us look at the following narration:

Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"

Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage.

Firstly - if indeed the marriage of Lady Aisha was something which was despicable even at that time and in that culture, this fact would never have been recorded for posterity and all efforts to conceal or cloud it would have been undertaken.

But the fact that this hadith had reached us after it was recorded centuries ago and to all the Muslim generations in between proved that the marriage was culturally and morally acceptable and the fact is also that the Muslim community at that time remained unshakened in its faith in his Prophethood and the message which he had brought bear testimony to this assertion.

Secondly - we have to look at the life of Lady Aisha afterwards. She was without doubt one of the foremost scholars of Islam. It is even said that she had attained in her lifetime the position of Mufti - someone capable of giving religious rulings - a position very few Muslims will ever occupy.

She was seeked by many, both men and women, who hungered for knowledge and they came to her from all directions, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria. History does not know of any woman who was approached by so many for such a noble purpose.

If indeed she had became a victim of sexual abuse she would in most probability be devastated emotionally, psychologically, mentally and perhaps even physically but the achievements she had made in her life after the death of the Prophet proved that she was a woman who was in complete control of her faculties, becoming one of the intellectual giants of Islam.

And the fact that she had spoken so dearly of the Prophet was indicative of the innocence of the marriage and of the impeccable character of her husband because given the trust enjoyed by her by the virtue of her relationship with him, she could have unleashed a vengeful attack against him by attributing to him words or deeds of horrendous nature if indeed she was a victim of his supposed lust, destroying both the Prophet and Islam.

No sexual abuse victim would ever spoke positively of her attacker, much less becoming a channel that promote love and understanding of him and the message which he had brought.

analice107:

Sweetie, are you just waking up from sleep? Base on Muhammed's activities, it's clearly clear, except of course to those who are still sleeping, that mohammed was a false prophet. A man like that can never be a prophet of God. So, what do you think happens to a man like that when he dies? Hell fire. The hottest part.

Peace my sister

Please wake me up !

Did your God know when judgment day is ?

Did he create himself and insert himself into Mary's uterine wall ?

Did he urinate & defecate ?

Did your God pray?

Is your God able to know who touches him in crowds?

Thanks kindly.

annunaki2:


Another insult to the human race can you list valid reasons my your mohammed is the greatest apart from the personal claims he made in the quoran?

InshAllah another time OK? It's 10pm here and I'm a bit sleepy.

If you see me again tomorrow ( my tomorrow ) , inshAllah, and I've forgotten, remind me. You asked a question, and I owe you a detailed answer my brother.

analice107:

Bros, you see it as shocking because you don't know what their idea of hell is. Right here on this forum, in Melin's thread, "How He became a Satanist" he described hell as paradise. He said, Satan has taken him to hell before and that, there's no place as beautiful as hell. That Yahweh the enemy is lying and keeping people from going to hell.
They are told, that the hell the Bible is talking about is not true. They believe there's no fire in hell. But they will be shocked. Just like Muhammed got shocked when he got to Allah's heaven but didn't see any virgins, but demons an fire.

Salamalikum Shalom sister!

I see your claim about what you're saying regarding Muhammad pbuh. Can you back your claim with factual evidences and sources for the good people here. A detailed explanation based on Qu'ran and sound Hadith, showing how you arrived at this conclusion. Thank you kindly in advance my sister.

Per chance are you holding any Doctorates in religious studies, Christianity or Islam ?

God created Adam pbuh & Eve. They submitted themselves to their Creator, God. One who submits to the Creator is .....

Hazrat Bilal (Radhiallahu Anhu / May God be pleased with him) or Bilal Ibn Rabah and he sometimes also known as "Bilal al-Habashi" or "Bilal the Ethiopian", the first Muezzin of Islam, originally was a black slave from Ethiopia. Hazrat Bilal (ra) was one of the most trusted and loyal companion (Sahabi E Rasool) of our Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) after converted to Islam.

Hazrat Bilal (Radhiallahu Anhu) is very lovingly remembered by Muslims around the world as one of the earliest great African Muslim. He was born in a village in a mountainous place in Western Arabia. Bilal's father was called Rebah and his mother was known as Hamamah. They had come to Arabia as slaves from Ethiopia. The father and mother were slaves of Umayyah ibn Khalaf ibn Safwan, a rich man from the tribe of Quraish. Bilal was therefore born in slavery and served as a housekeeper.

In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful


The Prophet Muhammad pbuh Last Sermon


This sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul Hijjah 10 A.H.
in the 'Uranah valley of Mount Arafat' (in Mecca).

After praising, and thanking Allah he said:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and TAKE THESE WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE TODAY.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon your deeds. ALLAH has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has Judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib (Prophet's uncle) shall henceforth be waived...

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

O People, listen to me in earnest, worship ALLAH, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O ALLAH, that I have conveyed your message to your people"

Jesuismoi:
Truthman is out again...keep it up.

Expose them. More soul will be saved.

Jesus rebuked the Pharisees several times.

Its a even sin to be afraid to speak out the truth.

If everyone keeps quite, then Islam will continue to

condemn more souls to eternal condemnation.

Salamalikum sister

If ye be truthful bring forth your evidences , I'm ready. Je suis pret

Jesuismoi:


They just cant reject that fact you put up there!!!

Its high time these allah's army stop talking in English and turn to arabic language because black muslims are arab slaves and are destined for "HELL" according to allah. allah said they are black charcoal. ..

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith - 38
Narrated AbudDarda'
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: Allah created Adam when He had to create him and He struck his right shoulder and there emitted from it white offspring as if they were white ants. He struck his left shoulder and there emitted from it the black offspring as if they were charcoal. He then said (to those who had been emitted) from the right (shoulder): For Paradise and I do not mind. Then He said to those (who had been emitted) from his left shoulder: They are for Hell and I do not mind.

Hadiths you quoted aren't talking about races,rather they are talking about the dwellers of paradise and dwellers of hell.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Imran 3:106 -On the Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection) when some faces will become white and some faces will become black;as for those whose faces will become black (to them will be said):Did you reject Faith after accepting it? Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting Faith.

Surah Yunus 10:26-27 -For those who have done good is the best (reward, i.e. Paradise) and even more.Neither darkness nor dust nor any humiliating disgrace shall cover their faces.They are the dwellers of Paradise,they will abide therein forever.
And those who have earned evil deeds,the recompense of an evil deed is the like thereof,and humiliating disgrace will cover them (their faces).No defender will they have from Allâh.Their faces will be covered,as it were with pieces from the darkness of night.They are dwellers of the Fire,they will abide therein forever.
Those you will have black faces are those that rejected faith and those with white faces are the true believers in the oneness of Allah.
But as we know that the Op is a chronic liar who find it very hard to comprehend.

Allah says in Surah Al-Hujurat 49:13 -O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes,that you may know one another.Verily,the most honourable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqun (pious)].Verily,Allah is All-Knowing,All-Aware.
From the sayings of our beloved prophet Muhammad(pbuh).
Narrated AbuDharr:Allah's Messenger(pbuh) said to him:You are not better than people with red or black skins unless you excel them in piety[Jami At-Tirmidhi,Hadith Number 5198].

Jubair ibn Mut’im reported:The Messenger of Allah(peace and blessings be upon him, said):He is not one of us who calls to tribalism.He is not one of us who fights for the sake of tribalism.He is not one of us who dies following the way of tribalism. [Sunan Abu Dawud,Hadith Number 5102]

Damn that guy is missing a lot of meat on his back.

What about Aisha's parents (mom and dad),

Since Aisha's parents both approved of her engagement with Jober and later approved to her marriage to Muhammad, is it fair for anyone to call her mom and dad and former fiancée and whole tribe all child molesters? I think whoever does that would be out of his mind and needs to study a little history about the Middle East.

Let us look at the following narration:

Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"

Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage.