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SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:19pm On Feb 22, 2022
JohnBullMySon:
Ability to read the game and know the right tactics to apply is very important at the highest level.
Correct.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 8:49pm On Feb 21, 2022
PurpleHouse:
And so what?

None of you here can run a Multimillion dollar, sorry, naira company. You don't have the mental toughness and agility. Sentimentally attached fools.

Broke oshi like you all will do worse that the pinick you abuse here.

You think it is sentiment that builds greatness and errect structures.

No brah.

It is sacrifice.

Hard solid painful sacrifice.

Nacho should be sacrificed for the growth of our team.

Who nor like make him go fu,ck stone.
How many people do you know personally on this thread to make that conclusion.
I want you to know that you have just lied.

It is not good to tell lies.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:20pm On Feb 21, 2022
komekn:
People call it HATE.

But when Victor was at Wolfsburg I could see why he was not getting game time. He was technically and tactically naïve.

He did not have the knowledge base to jump straight in and compete. It's in that context I said he would struggle at most academies in England.

I felt a move to a lesser league where his main attributes of speed and agility and as a true 9 he will have more success. That has happened but those handicaps are getting a bit more exposed now.

He has to learn, but for a £75 million player it may be strange to some.
No one is calling it HATE.

What we constantly point at, is the exact consistency at which you make ignorant statements and provide misinformation. Can you ever get tired? The irony of it all is the quickness at which you tout people as lacking knowledge.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme:
TheLoneCitizen:
The fact you're interchanging both skill and technique tells the story, brother.
You're doing well.
The interchange was done to help you understand that skill and technique are two words that convey exactly the same thought.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:48pm On Feb 20, 2022
TheLoneCitizen:
Football skills are different from football technique.

Dribbling skill is different from dribbling technique.

Skill is something you do with the ball, technique is how you do it.

All pro footballers have the ability to shoot accurately, but not all have the technique to curl/swerve.
Curling is a shooting skill/technique.
Any footballer who can curl shots, and with good accuracy, have more shooting technique,
In the same way, any footballer who can give short passes, long passes, chipped passes, etc, and with good accuracy will have more passing technique.

Technique/skill is an ability, and can be learnt. A player who can't curl shots, can be taught how to curl his shots by hitting the ball at an angle, and with practise can build neural pathways or strengthen an already existing neural pathway in order to gain the proper motor coordination required to carry out the activity.

Technique is not how, it is what a player can do.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:05am On Feb 20, 2022
TheLoneCitizen:
Dribbling is more of skill than technique.

Odegaard and De Bryune are two of the best technicians in England but aren't proficient dribblers.

How you dribble determines your technique, not if you can dribble.
Another word for skill is technique.
It is not how a player prosecutes a skill that determines the player's technique, but the type of footballing skills the player brings to his game, the number of times the player utilises those skills and the accuracy or precision of implementation.

If technique is just how a player performs a skill, then it will just be styles that are unique to the player and it will not be possible to grade a player or compare players in terms of technique.

Take for instance, the passing technique, to determine a players passing technique, calculation is made based on the type of passing skills the player is able to execute in a game, passing skills such as short passes, long passes (long balls), chipped passes etc, the number of times the player was able to complete those passes, and the accuracy.

You don't need to be a fantastic dribbler to be high in technique, because dribbling is just one of the techniques in football and not the only technique.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:31am On Feb 19, 2022
joelsteron:
Thank you. flesh and blood did not reveal this you. You no book na Ndidi dey cover their yansh grin
You are welcome, joelsteron.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme:
drDoom3:
Do you know what technique is? It is not pace or dribbling. it is not strength or work rate. Technique is how neat and precise you are in carrying out functions in your position. Imagine saying Etebo has better technique than Iwobi, that is blasphemy. Etebo that struggles to trap ball sometimes, all work rate with no product.

Unsurprisingly, the guys you said Iwobi is ahead of are actually the guys who are ahead of Iwobi (except Simon and Onyeka, maybe Chuks). Ndidi has the best technique in the team, the way he cleans up in defense with tidy tackles is definitely top 5 in the world alongside Kante, Verratti etc. Aribo also has better technique, his ball carrying, neat tackles and progressive carries are also unrivalled in the team. Nacho has the best shooting and passing technique in the team, but his work rate, control, and awareness leave so much to be desired. Osimhen's athleticism covers much of his deficiency in technique, but he still has excellent control and long passing techniques. Surprisingly, I think Osimhen's technique was much better in Lille than in Napoli, it was as if he made a tradeoff for physicality when he joined Napoli.
Technique refers to the skill or competence required to perform a function or task.

In football, there are skills required to execute it. Some of these includes:
First touch,
Passing,
Shooting,
Dribbling,
Holding on to the ball,
Marking,
Slide tackle,
Stand tackle, etc

The combination of these skills and the accuracy of their execution will determine a player's gradation in technique.

Take for instance Ndidi. You said he is the player with the best technique in S.E. How well are his passing, shooting and dribbling. Ndidi is great at short passes, but what about his non-existent long passes even as a midfielder, How is his dribbling and shooting. Ejuke has the best technique in the current crop, his long passes have the accuracy of 83%.

Remember, it is the techniques you bring to your game, the frequency of their execution, and the accuracy of their execution that determines how you are graded technically.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:12pm On Feb 18, 2022
komekn:
For the past Donkey years of where has Omeruo played in the backwaters of Europe essentially.

If he was as my good multiple clubs would have been trying to sign him. Why are multiple EPL clubs after Calvin because he outstanding.

Omeruo was in the Championship with Middlesbrough but couldn't gather any interest, why huh

Osimhen in played in French League and has gone to Napoli why because he is outstanding.

Omeruo essentially has experience of playing low level backwaters of Europe league football since he started.

Longevity is not quality.
I know you will bring up places he plied his trade, but i watch games.
Quality alone won't get you to the top.

Bassey is touted based on potentials.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 9:06pm On Feb 18, 2022
yinkeys:
undecided Awaziem
Yes Awaziem is the best defender we have now.
Awaziem is a good defender.

What we fail to realise is that we are more depleted in central defense, than we are in midfield.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 8:12pm On Feb 18, 2022
drDoom3:
Aribo and Ndidi are.
Technique?
No, they are not.

Speaking of technique, players who have more technique than Iwobi include:
Chidera Ejuke, Ademola Lookman, Kelechi Iheanacho, Kelechi Nwakali, Samuel Kalu, Oghenekaro Etebo (Etebo has improved so much, the last i saw him)

Iwobi has good technique and is ahead of players like:
Samuel Chukwueze, Paul Onuachu, Moses Simon, Joe Aribo, Ndidi, Frank Onyeka etc.

Does Iwobi execute more technique in his game than Osimhen in the here and now? The conclusion is very equivocal. Osimhen keeps improving, Iwobi has regressed in some areas, but kept improving in areas like defending. For now i will still give it to Iwobi, even though the difference is negligible.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme:
komekn:
You lack knowledge and you have no understanding.

In most EPL clubs they have different phases off development. I know a EPL club that contracted the former assistant manager at Sao Paulo FC Brazil to head up the u9-13 development phase.

To teach them skills, technical ability, touch, etc Because after that age it becomes difficult to teach those particular skill sets.

Now look at England youth footballers do you see any of the old kick and rush , footballers anymore. Look at Eze, Tega Abraham, Iwobi, Mount, Reece, etc

But we in Nigeria have remained stagnant we have not developed our football and movef ahead. Just like many of our academic lecturers still using notes of decades ago to teach today.

Years ago I looked at Victor O, when he was at Wolfsburg and l made it clear that he would not make it into a good academy. He was technically poor.

Physically outstanding and Fast a big YES and he has used his physical attributes to overcome inadequacies in his technical ability, to get ahead. I said he needed to drop league go to a lower league learn, develop and them move up.

Well he has done that and has left Lille and gone to Napoli. However, some of those handicaps are still there and they will prevent him from getting to the top if not addressed.

This is a problem with home grown players from local academies and leagues. This is why we quite a few cannot even cross the ball properly.
Osimhen is not technically poor. Exercise a little reticence whenever you feel the urge to accuse people of lacking understanding and knowledge. No one knows it all.

What many African players lack is not technique, but concentration, tactical awareness and decision making, These listed paucities are interdependent, the lack of one can lead to another.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:40pm On Feb 18, 2022
komekn:
No they will wait for two years and when he has blown up and other nations show interest we will sau he turned down our offers.

The reality is that in the HERE and NOW he is better than Omeruo. But we will hold on to the past and not progress.
When concerns are on defensive duties in the here and now, Omeruo is ahead of Calvin Ughelumba Bassey, the gap is even wide. Yes i said the gap is wide.

I don't know how you guys rate players, maybe your basis for rating might be on league quality, while league quality is a valid basis, it is not the only basis.

After a little study on Calvin and Akpoguma, i saw that they were rightly excluded from the AFCON tourney, Also i saw why Olisa Ndah was on the list despite plying his trade in South Africa.

Calvin is a young player and has shown growth, the potential to be the best is right with him, but we acknowledge the situation with him in the here and now.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 12:17pm On Feb 17, 2022
Indulge your vision in the sublime skills of 20 year old Raphael Nwadike Onyedika.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ4vXh1hsnY
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:56am On Feb 17, 2022
Chukwueze's last 5 games for Villarreal saw him making only 2 crosses of the ball. 1 against Deportivo Alaves and the other against Real Betis. Of these crosses, none were successful.

In Super Eagles, we expect him to deliver sublime crosses of the ball, as though he has a penchant for it.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:16am On Feb 17, 2022
TheGoodJoe:
Terrible message from such a legend like Okocha. We need to keep working hard to improve as a team
That is how we can become a success in the long run.

Is Okocha asking us to park bus against Ghana
That is a defeatist mentality. We should go there with the mentality of dominating and winning.
This is just ridiculous.
It appears some people wants to appear politically correct and gel with the crowd

What is his definition of ugly football.
Is it blood and guts, kick and rush, hard tackles that can earn you a penalty or red card.
Purposeless football, inability to string passes, because all these and more can go for the definition of ugly football.

Jay-Jay has shown more in brilliance as a footballer, than as a pundit.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:52pm On Feb 16, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Aribo didn’t have a poor afcon ,by saying that you are only lying to yourself and deceiving yourself

Your mission has always been to talk down on Aribo just because you want to hype Nwakali and tell us things he didn’t do

Aribo having a poor afcon ,you can only hear this from clueless Nwakali fan boys like you oga meli and some of your alternate monikers
Stop being toxic Andrew444.

Did i say that Aribo had a poor AFCON?

I stated categorically on his shows in central midfield which has gaping deficiencies.
My proofs of his deficiencies are as follows:

How many times did we build up play from defense to attack with Aribo being at the heart of it.
Eguavoen's system favours long balls, how many long balls came off Aribo who is supposedly
a central midfielder. Aribo had only one successful long ball out of three attempts.
Aribo started three games and made only two key passes in total of the three games.
I have more to tell you about Aribo, but let's stop at this point. I am making this promise to you, that i will tell you more about his shows in midfield.

You called me a clueless Nwakali fan. I have talked about Nwakali even before AFCON. Now you should know this:
Take your time to watch Nwakali's substitute appearance against Sudan, notice our transition from defense to attack, notice our stability and dominance in midfield.
Out of nine attempts at long balls Nwakali was successful seven times.
Nwakali is the only midfielder who was successful at making crosses, he made two successful crossses out of five attempts.
Nwakali started only one game, but made a total of four key passes.

This is so much for your classification of me as clueless, but except for sentiments, no one will judge me as clueless, the facts presented is enough to show that i know what i am saying.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:12am On Feb 14, 2022
13large:
To bench your best all round midfilder Aribo? My guy, calm your nerves. Aribo and ndidi are undroppable in that midfield
There is nothing outstanding about Aribo in midfield, except if you are talking about the attacking areas of the midfield which he shows more potential for brilliance, even though we are yet to see him there.

Our midfield maintains It's identity as a defensive one, with little control and creativity. How is this so difficult to see.

Aribo is a good player with good first touch and good work rate, these made it a bit difficult to spot gaping deficiencies in his midfield shows.

Whenever the tactics calls for a box to box midfielder i will pick Etebo over Aribo in central midfield. The Etebo i saw in the EPL before his injury seems like he is evolving into a complete box to box midfielder.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:49pm On Feb 13, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
Excellent post. All I have been saying on the Playmaker role from deep (CM-Playmaker/DLP) is right here.

I hope some learn this and WATCH our lads enough to tell the difference and not depend on write-ups from people who only uses Goals and Assists to rate a Playmaker. Lol

A Playmaker conducts, directs and orchestrates. Goals and Assists are bonuses to his game.

But because some feel it is always about Agenda, they keep going blind to the obvious which is easily observed through simple eye test from a standpoint of genuine neutrality.

Honestly, it's funny that they had to wait for you to bring the definition from an outside source before they finally understand when all that is here is what I have explained and even over-explained overtime. Funny lots. grin
Thank you TheSuperNerd.

Much have been said of a deep-lying playmaker by you. You have a very bright mind. TheGoodJoe's description has in it of a player who likes to make short passes from deep to bulld up play.
So the notions about a DLP is not new to this thread.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 10:26pm On Feb 12, 2022
TheLoneCitizen:
Joe Aribo a goal-scoring and assist-giving midfielder, but not a playmaker. Similar to Dele Alli.

Nwakali Nigeria's truest Deep Lying playmaker. Etebo another one capable there.

How can man go contrary? When TheGoodJoe proposes, very few can contest.
True.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:24pm On Feb 12, 2022
Kog45:
Then we exonerate all underperforming SE Afcon players cos the system did not play to their strengths.
List the names of the players that underperformed.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:21pm On Feb 12, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Chukwueze failed at the afcon

Who is he that they should play to his strength ?

Even Egypt is not playing Liverpool type of football to suit salah
Playing to his abilities and building the play around him are two different things.
He wasn't used in a way that resonates with his style of play.
The thin midfield did not favour him.

You misunderstood me.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:10pm On Feb 12, 2022
TheLoneCitizen:
Accurate, bro. Did someone dispute this?
No.
They said that Joe Aribo can be deployed as a DLP.
TheGoodJoe said no and i supported him.

I just wanted them to see who a DLP is.
I mentioned you to see if you can add anything to my narrative or present a contrary view.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:08pm On Feb 12, 2022
TheLoneCitizen:
Accurate, bro. Did someone dispute this?
No.
They said that Joe Aribo can be deployed as a DLP.
TheGoodJoe said no and i supported him.

I just wanted them to see who a DLP is.
I mentioned you to see if you can add anything or present a contrary view.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 4:10pm On Feb 12, 2022
TheGoodJoe:
Waiting for it. Thanks in advance.
You are welcome.

I have already done that.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 4:07pm On Feb 12, 2022
Kog45:
I just wish Osimehn injury free...Chuckwueze was highly rated by Eguavoen thinking that he will come good as we progress but failed....Ghana two legs match must be for starters who will get it right from the start to finish.
Chukwueze did not fail.

The system did not play to his strengths.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme:
[color=#000033]Deep-lying playmaking.[/color]

Who is a deep-lying-playmaker.
A deep-lying playmaker is a holding midfielder who specializes in ball skills such as passing, rather than defensive skills like tackling. -Wikipedia.

What are the roles of a deep-lying playmaker.
Their role is to sit in between the defense and attack, starting attacks by spraying passes in all directions. They dictate play from a rather withdrawn position when compared to modern-day number 10s .Ball retention and defensive concerns aren't major responsibilities of a deep-lying playmaker, their job is to collect the ball from defense, create space, find the players in good positions/making good runs and to make sure the ball reaches them with pin point accuracy.

What positions do deep-lying playmakers occupy on the field of play.
In 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1, They occupy one of the central roles in the midfield 4, they pair the defensive midfielder in 4-2-3-1, 3-4-3, 3-5-2. They also have roles in 4-3-3 depending on the coach's philosophy and style of play.

What skillsets do deep-lying playmakers possess.
Vision, creativity, technique.

How do you identify a deep-lying playmaker.
They make a high number of short passes while attempting to find space and openings to dispatch the ball forward.
Their passing accuracy is at insanely high levels.
They calm the play down and make a team tick by sending players off in right directions and getting them past pockets of space behind opposition midfielders.
You can identify them by the long passes they make to wingers and sometimes to center forwards.
Their primary concerns is in making pre-assists, that is making the pass before the final pass, They also make assists.


Wikipedia and Quora mirrored my stance and stand on the concept of a deep-lying playmaker. I lifted many paragraphs verbatim from Quora, only the first paragraph is from Wikipedia

Cc: TheGoodJoe, TheSuperNerd, Nelsz, Philosopher. TheLoneCitizen.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 3:27pm On Feb 12, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


I think I will like to come in here. When we talk about deep-lying playmaker, to the best of my knowledge, it has to do with the role than the position.

I will list some players in this era who I consider ideal deep-lying playmakers.

Granit Xhaka
Thiago Alcantara
Jorginho

The thing about these players has to do with their natural style. Even when they venture forward, they still play in a particular manner. They like the short passing game.

One thing about them is that they like to operate from deep. They are comfortable playing for a long time close to the defenders and like to build attacks from the back with their passes.

So when these guys write Aribo as a deep-lying playmaker, I wonder if they are referring to him operating in that manner. That is sitting deep and using passes to dictate play.

I might be wrong because I have not watched much of Aribo but in the few I saw, he is not the player that likes to sit and play deep for a long time. Offensive play is a big part of his game.

I will like others to add. Do you see Aribo as a player that plays like Xhaka or Jorginho?
Aribo style of play is a far cry from what is described as deep-lying playmaking.

Pirlo, Xabi Alonso are good examples of DLPs.

I hurriedly made a write-up on DLP from the little i gleaned from Wikipedia and Quora.
I will drop it soon.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:45pm On Feb 12, 2022
Odunayaw:
442 isn't the issue o, it's style and discipline that makes its not to suit us now.

Uruguay has done more than we can dream of at the WC with that formation
4-4-2 is the issue.

Why is it the issue.
It is the issue because of an obvious lack of the requisite personnel.

You will spot this clearly after my reply to TheGoodJoe's requests for additions on the definition of a DLP.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme:
Danielnino00:
You're being petty again as usual...The same attitude you displayed when people were voicing concern over Okoye before the AFCON... After his famous blunder, you lost your voice...
It's only in your head that people hate foreign borns...

Based on current form, Lookman isn't better than Chukwueze... Chuks has scored in the laliga,champions league and Copa de Rey this season.. 6 goals and one assist in total compared to Lookman's 5 goals and 1 assists despite playing fewer games...

Let's see Lookman in action in the GWG first before we conclude that he is better than our current wingers..... Okoye is playing in a top league but is delivering a disasterclass every matchday for the super eagles
Chukwueze's performances in SE started a downhill course after Rohr switched to 4-4-2.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:51pm On Feb 10, 2022
TheGoodJoe:

How many goals has Simy scored this season that you want Sadiq dropped for him?

You are yet to tell us the deep lying playmaker you wanted Eguavoen to take over Nwakali.


HERE AND NOW
I am not sure you are ready for the name(s) Komekn will mention.

This is a guy that said Aina is our only wingback that can cross.
I am not really sure when Komekn's deliverance will come.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 5:44pm On Feb 10, 2022
charlesemeka85:
ekong is also good in long balls
Yes, he is good.

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