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true2god:
Thank you bro! Muslims lack certain logic especially when they are desperately trying to defend Islam/Mohammed.

The same logic that has lead some people to deny the existence of a God or a Supreme being.

It is not about logic!

Emusan:
Yes! Or was the instruction not meant for ONLY Angels?

How come Allah punished Satan for failing to obey the commandment given to Angels if Satan is just a Jinn?



Ok, how will you feel, if your son/daughter came from school and told you how he/she was punished by the principal only for you to ask him/her what was his/her offense? and he/she says "the principal asks all the SSS3 students to knee down at the assembly which all sss3 did but only to start flogging all sss2 & sss1 who didn't knee down"?

Ok.
Why did the angel (satan) disobeyed god?
If you answer that, then apply to why the jinn disobeyed god.

Iblis even though was with the angels wasn't an angel as Allah told us. Angels can't disobey Allah

Allah created both the angels and the jinns. He told us who is which.

Emusan:
There's no sense in what you put up there which makes his question valid.

How can Jinn obey the commandment meant for Angels, If Satan isn't an Angel?

Or why would Allah punish Satan a Jinn when he (Allah) ONLY gave Angels instruction? Isn't that injustice?

Injustice?

Ok. I no fit shout!

If you have anything to the contrary, i am here.

RightChanneI:
mhmsadyq AntiChristian this is Exodus 3:15 in Arabic





If you want to argue next time, do it with facts

My questions;

Why does the bible still uses Allah for God in the christian bible?

What name were the Arab christians calling their god in arabic before Muhammad?
Pls. don't bring that yhuh crap here. I take Allah beg you!



You seem to be evading these questions.

cornelboy:
Angels were called, how did Jinn show up?

How was Iblis the originator of other Jinns, do Jinns marry too like human?


You can't even prove that Iblis was the only Jinn existing then. You can't also prove that he's the father of the Jinns using the Koran alone.

LOL!

These are unnessary questions, even though i can answer them.

Ok.

Prove yourself using the Qur'an, ya sheikh!

I have given what i know.

RightChanneI:
mhmsadyq AntiChristian this is Exodus 3:15 in Arabic





If you want to argue next time, do it with facts

This is my fact;

Where jehovah/yhuh dey?

You can ask your pastor...

cornelboy:
What about the other Jinns, are they not like angels in devotion and worship to Allah?
Why didn't other jinn show up?

Which verse say this:
'Iblis was only like the angels in devotion and worship of Allah."

Allah has created man and jinn for the sole purpose of worshipping him alone.
Adh-Dhariyat 51:56

I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.

This was what happened until Iblis disobeyed, then Adam also disobeyed.
This is how we are here today!

You see;
Is like asking where are the other humans when the angels bow to Adam.

Iblis was the origin of the jinns, just as Adam was of men.

cornelboy:
Oya make I ask one question.
How did a jinn show up when angels were called?

Good!

Islam says Iblis was never an angel, though he was with the Angels in the beginning.

Iblis was created from smokeless fire. Unlike the Angels that were created from light.

Ar-Rahman 55:15
And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:

Iblis was only like the angels in devotion and worship of Allah.

So, when Allah commanded the Angels to prostrate before Adam, Iblis was with the Angels, therefore was included in the command, yet he disobeyed.

Allah then told us of his nature "jinn".

cornelboy:
How did Iblis become part of the angels?


Was Iblis not an angel? How did a Jinn show up where angels are called?


He disobey his lord because he was one of the Jinns. Which means all Jinns disobey, that's they are rebellious.

So if the Koran say they are righteous in other verses. It not new to me. It's has always been like that I'm the all glorious Koran written by your all wise Allah himself.
For example, Koran says in some verses that you should show kindness to your parents no matter what. Even if they are unbelievers.
It also says in some verses that you shouldn't show kindness to them at all.

Koran explicitly say that Jews, Christians and Muslims serve the same God, Jews and Christians will receive rewards from their Lord and also say Jews and Christians will go to hell.

So contradictions like that are not new.

Ok.

You are not a Muslim.
You ask questions if you want to learn or know.
Drawing deliberate conclusions suggest you don't want to know.

cornelboy:
What was Iblis before he became a Jinn? He was definitely an angel. Which means all Jinns are bad and don't even need to be preached to.

Iblis has always being a jinn:

Al-Kahf 18:50
Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!

Saying all jinns are bad is saying all humans are bad:

Al-Jinn 72:1
Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital!

There are righteous jinns and there are evil jinns:

Al-Jinn 72:11
'There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths.

Al-Jinn 72:13
'And as for us, since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it: and any who believes in his Lord has no fear, either of a short (account) or of any injustice.

RightChannel:
So your own translation is LORDE right?

Who reveal that to Moses if Not God?

Well, when will you answer the remaining questions?

No be me translate am now...

Agree these are correct:

haekymbahd:
Oga Jehovah was not mentioned in that Verse.

haekymbahd:
I never said God didn't revealed a name to Moses but Jehovah is certainly not the name? Even Jews themselves don't know...

In Islamic parlance this means: Submit to the One God Allah most sincerely, and do good to your fellow beings.

Muslims have thrash the Allah question on many fronts even on this thread.

In addition

...We need to understand that there is a media war on Islam, carried out by some groups among the People of the Book. The principle of One God and one humanity taught by Islam undermines the inherent bigotry and racism of the Zionists. This is while for some Christians, Islam’s uncompromising stance against the polytheistic Trinitarian concept of God in Christianity is a reason to fight Islam.

They know that the Muslim belief in One God is unassailable; and yet they try to undermine the Muslim’s faith by bringing forth arguments. This is namely that Allah is not the One God of the universe, but one of the residual deities worshipped by the ancient pagans of Arabia.

This is really a distortion of the truth. In fact, the Arab pagans did not consider Allah merely as one of their gods. On the contrary, they worshipped Him as the Supreme Ruler of the universe. There was no idol called Allah, though all their lesser gods were represented by idols.


...But for more than five hundred years before Muhammad, the vast majority of Jews and Christians in Arabia called God by the name Allah. How, then, can we say that Allah is an invalid name for God? If it is, to whom have these Jews and Christians been praying?

And what about the 10 to 12 million Arab Christians today? They have been calling God ‘Allah’ in their Bibles, hymns, poems, writings, and worship for over nineteen centuries...copied.

I hope you will address the issues arisen from your position of Allah being an idol as it affect the arab christians.

RightChannel:
So your own translation is LORDE right?

Who reveal that to Moses if Not God?

Well, when will you answer the remaining questions?

No be me translate am now...

Agree these are correct:

haekymbahd:
Oga Jehovah was not mentioned in that Verse.

haekymbahd:
I never said God didn't revealed a name to Moses but Jehovah is certainly not the name? Even Jews themselves don't know...

In Islamic parlance this means: Submit to the One God Allah most sincerely, and do good to your fellow beings.

Muslims have thrash the Allah question on many fronts even on this thread.

In addition

...We need to understand that there is a media war on Islam, carried out by some groups among the People of the Book. The principle of One God and one humanity taught by Islam undermines the inherent bigotry and racism of the Zionists. This is while for some Christians, Islam’s uncompromising stance against the polytheistic Trinitarian concept of God in Christianity is a reason to fight Islam.

They know that the Muslim belief in One God is unassailable; and yet they try to undermine the Muslim’s faith by bringing forth arguments. This is namely that Allah is not the One God of the universe, but one of the residual deities worshipped by the ancient pagans of Arabia.

This is really a distortion of the truth. In fact, the Arab pagans did not consider Allah merely as one of their gods. On the contrary, they worshipped Him as the Supreme Ruler of the universe. There was no idol called Allah, though all their lesser gods were represented by idols.


...But for more than five hundred years before Muhammad, the vast majority of Jews and Christians in Arabia called God by the name Allah. How, then, can we say that Allah is an invalid name for God? If it is, to whom have these Jews and Christians been praying?

And what about the 10 to 12 million Arab Christians today? They have been calling God ‘Allah’ in their Bibles, hymns, poems, writings, and worship for over nineteen centuries...copied.

I hope you will address the issues arisen from your position of allah being an idol as it affect the arab christians.

RightChannel:
Jehovah was not mentioned in which verse? Do you need English teacher to explain this to you or you have sight issue?


Exodus 3:15

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.





Is it Muhammad that revealed this to Moses?


Exodus 3:15

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

I think translations has done a lot of damages to that "collection of books"

Exodus 3:15

KJV(i) 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.


Exodus 3:15
Tyndale(i) 15 And God spake further vnto Moses: thus shalt thou saye vnto the children of Israell: the Lorde God of youre fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Iacob hath sent me vnto you: this is my name for euer, and this is my memoriall thorow out all generacyons.


Exodus 3:15
ERV(i) 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

RightChannel:
Must you lie to defend yourself?

My post was deleted!

cornelboy:
Jinns that the Bible describes to be rebellious angels sent to earth and bound for destruction are actually what the Koran says prophets were sent to, to preach to them bla bla bla.

A jinn probably staged as angel Gabriel and gave his fellow jinns and himself some importance. Whereas, they are just demons doing Satan's work.

If you asked Muslims how those prophets were able to communicate with the Jinns and preached to them, they would start running from pillar to post.

Angels are different from jinns.
Man is different from jinn or angel.

An-Najm 53:11
The (Prophet's) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw.
:12
Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he saw?

This is your own conjecture:

Al-An'am 6:116
Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but lie.

AntiChristian:
Mention the verses where those people saw Angel Gabriel in its real form?

When Jacob fought your God, did He appear in the real form or as a man?

Mary too saw the Angel as a man.

No human can see an Angel in its real form and be normal. They usually appear as man.

Even some of the companions saw Gabriel as a man who came to teach them Islam by asking the Prophet questions.

Thank you!

Takkal bal mina waminkum!

RightChannel:
what class are you? You need English teacher

Here is the Question once again



Arabic text that you have written above, Where is "yhuh" ( يهوه ) the Arabic translation of Jehovah that was used to replaced Jehovah therein?

You are allowed to make google your intimate friend since allah is not revealing that to you


The second question is still very hot, is like allah want to put you to shame this night

You can continue deceiving yourself with "English teacher" of a thing, but


1. You haven't shown us the name jehovah or yhuh in the arabic bible.

2. I have copiously shown you Allah as the name/title of the christian god from the bible.

3. You haven't told us who mandated Allah to be the unique name of god in arabic, despite christianity was about 5 hundred years before Islam.


These are the question begging for answers from you!

Pls. Don't mention me if you want to continue parambulating.

RightChannel:
The question says reference your claim that Jehovah's name was replaced by Allah?

I am expecting to see the Arabic translation for the English word Jehovah but it seems google has disappointed you

WOW!
I can't be distracted, sir.

I think your bible has failed you that it uses Allah for the christian god.

Trinity:

Allāh al-Ab—God, the Father
Allāh al-Ibn—God the Son
Allāh al-Ruh al koudous—God the Holy Spirit

More failures!

Hope you would deal with it moving forward.


Well, i believe those following the thread should be the judge.

I have done my bit.

RightChannel:
@mhmsadyq this your second slave you hired to help you out as turn the whole thing to insultive statement. Do you think his 1-0-1 fasting shall be acceptable with these insultive words allah is speaking out through him?

I am in the other room, waiting for you.

RightChannel:
Why are you then a slave of allah if you don't know the answer to that Quran verse even with options given?

I say i no know. That no be answer?
As a good teacher you suppose help me.

Be happy for ones!

At least, No Muslim was involved in the crucification of your god.

RightChannel:
The Quran verse you quoted says he was raised alive to heaven which was affirmed in Quran 19:33 but you kicked against this (Quran 19:33) as it doesn't suit your ignorance.

To tell me how he was raised up alive to heaven according to the verse you showed is the problem

Quran 19:33

Muhammad Ahmed & Samira

And the security/peace (was) on me (on the) day I was born, and (the) day I die, and (the) day I be sent/resurrected/revived alive

Islam is a big disastrous in your life

Oga, i dey the other room dey wait...

musquareni:

Truly, common sense is not common

It's the same way you were born, you will die and you will be resurrected on the day of judgement. Not the 3rd day rise from death you christians believe.

The Holy Quran is the complete words of God my creator, your creator and our creator, conveyed by angel Gabriel (jubril) to the last prophet Muhammad, after Isa(Jesus) left this world. Isa was given injeel( original bible) just like Muhammed was given Quran. Make your research and come back, not what your pastors say. Thanks

Thank you.

RightChannel:
Quran 19:33

Muhammad Ahmed & Samira

And the security/peace (was) on me (on the) day I was born, and (the) day I die, and (the) day I be sent/resurrected/revived alive


WHO IS SPEAKING IN QURAN 19:33?

A. Muhammad

B. Allah

C. Jesus

D. Gabriel

E. None of the above

NB: Choose the best answer from the options given, No super story.

Let us hope you will answer this

I no know.

RightChannel:
Hope you will get sense to answer this?

★ Reference your claim that Jehovah's name was replaced by allah.

Why can't christians make their point with insults and curses?

Anyways,

O tie le;

John 3:16

Arabic(i) 16 لانه هكذا احب الله العالم حتى بذل ابنه الوحيد لكي لا يهلك كل من يؤمن به بل تكون له الحياة الابدية.
KJV(i) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The bolded is Allah the pagan God in the bible verse.


Now,
Identify jehovah,the christian god in the bible verse above.

RightChannel:
Do u need English teacher? What consign Jehovah recommending an Idol to Pagans Arab?

You can as well teach me English... No wahala!

Ok.
Why did Arabian christians replaced jehovah in their bible with Allah an idol to pagan Arabs?

RightChannel:
This is the reason why Allah was [b]mandated as unique name of god in Arabic. [/b]Don't ask this same question again just make effective use of your eyes

By who, jehovah?

Why would jehovah mandates Allah an idol to be used in his name?

RightChannel:
This is the reason, it was summarized so as to be able to read

Hubal (Arabic: هُبَل‎) was a god worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia, notably by Quraysh at the Kaaba in Mecca. Muhammad's Allah is actually Hubal, i.e. the Baal of the Moabites.

The daughters of Hubal i.e. Allat, al-ʿUzza and Manat, the three female goddess of pre-Islamic Arabia, are mentioned in the Qur'an.

Hubal was originally the proper name of Allah in Makkah... Allah was always a proper name in the Arabic sources and not a common noun, Allah was the title used within each tribe in Pre-islamic Arabia to address tribal deity instead of its proper name and that Allah became the Islamic substitute for the name of any idol.

Hubal's known presence in the Kaʿbah, there is no polemic in the Qur'an against him. In other words, while the Qur'an railed against Allat, Manat, and al-ʿUzza, whom the pagan Arabs referred to as the "daughters of Allah", it stopped short of attacking the cult of Hubal.

Youe bible in arabic uses the God Allah for your god, why?

Ndi dot should go and rule in their country abeg!

RightChannel:
The crucified God according to Quran says he resurrected, do you need the verse?

See how moon is confusing you slaves, moon that is not lost is giving you slaves headache

Subhanallalah!
No thanks.
There is nothing like a crucified god in the Qur'an.

Stop reading the Qur'an with a christian mind, it won't work.

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RightChannel:
You will ask Muhammad the reason why he forced the name of his pagan father's idol as the unique name of islamic god in Arabic

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[b]Why is the bible using the pagan name of an idol for god today?

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LOL!
You still evaded the question, sir!
I guess you are stocked.

Ok,
Was Muhammad also involved in the crucification of your God?

Please, be honest for ones. It won't kill you!