blacknoir: What makes u think that only northerners removed Jonathan? Southerners participated as well. The entire country came together and removed Jonathan. Accusing Christian's of noise making shows ur lack of concern for fairness and been your brothers keeper. The country is already divided and apc is dividing it even more. Believe me or not I tell u the truth Christian's voters will vote like never be4. A majority of Christian's voter will go for Peter obi or atiku. And by the grace of God apc will not return to power
Well, we know what took Janathan out!
Exactly my point, there are alternatives for those against the Muslim Muslim ticket.
You said Tinubu should campaign in the NE states of Bauchi, Gombe, Yobe and Borno to get bloc votes right?
Even though Bauchi was an APC state just like Adamawa in 2015, it's now in firm control of the PDP from Head to Toe. You forgot that the Executive Governor of Bauchi is hardcore PDP man with strong structure and Cult like fan base. Just go to Facebook and search for Random Bauchi indigene and ask him about KAURA. APC will not get %30 in Bauchi that's for sure, especially with Muslim/Muslim ticket. Because even the Christian minorities will vote against the Ticket, while the Muslims will rather shoot for the top seat than settle for VP, in Bauchi Tinubu Is not considered a Muslim, because of his non Muslim children and wife.
Talking about Yobe, you have forgotten so fast that Mai Mala Buni who is an arch enemy of Tinubu is the present serving Gov if the state. Have you seen him at the convention or among the 11 Northern Governors that endorsed Tinubu? Getting Bloc votes from Yobe is a pipe dream.
Borno. I laugh in Swahili, the average Kanuri recognize only the Fulanis as true Muslims even in the North. If a group of Kanuri men are living or conducting business in an area, they always hijack the Leadership of the Mosque in that area. So how can someone who is an extremist that only recognize the Fulanis as the only true Muslims in the North, vote for a Southern Muslim? Forget about the Media hype. Just screenshot this post and keep it for reference sake, Tinubu is not getting %30 in Borno.
Adamawa If you mistakenly insult Atiku or Endorsed Tinubu publicly in Adamawa state, you are on your own. I don't need to talk much About TARABA. you already know what will happen. Same with GOMBE.
The NW will also vote against a Southern Muslim and also Kwankwaso will destroy the votes over there. No Bloc votes for either PDP or APC. With a Muslim Muslim ticket, NC is already gone. Tell me how can SW alone make Tinubu the president??
Truthisunique2: it's even more of a deeper religious stuff
They feel a Yoruba Muslim doesn't take Islam serious e.g why would tinubu have a pastor for a wife and half his children when Islam says they are apostates that should be stoned to death
blacknoir: We are talking about a country and not the state. Why is that people can't understand this.if it's Not aout religion but region then Let me ask you a question will a Muslim support the idea that if a southern Christian ruoes this country for 8 years should now hand over power to a northern Christian to continue,do u think they will ever agree?
Christians and noise making na 5&6!
In 2015 when the north was no longer comfortable with Jonathan continuing, they did the needful to get him out.
You have other choices. You might not even vote APC even if the VP is a Christian.
blacknoir: Ur shear arrogance is stinking,if u think any Christian will vote for a Muslim/Muslim ticket then u are highly mistaken. It is people like u that are very intolerant to other religion. If I ask u now will u support Christian/Christian candidate,the apparent answer is no. Then y should Christian's support it?. It will fail believe me or not. Let's learn to show good sportsmanship and fairness to all. Buhari would not have won the incumbent president without the support of Christian's ,after 8 years it only fair to allow a Christian rule. PDP mismanaged the country but at least there was no argument about where power should go to after one region and religion has had it taste of power.its not iPob or PDP supporters that are against this Muslim Muslim agenda but a majority of Christian's. I am a Christian ,I am not iPob ,I don't support PDP but I am totally against Muslim Muslim or even Muslim/Christian but I am in SUPPORT OF CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM. U have had 8years of rule. That's enough
I think it is about North and South and not about Christian/ Muslim. Though i understand the sentiment, but should Tinubu surrender his mandate because the Muslim majority North won't allow the Christian minority represent them in the presidency?
How many states in the SS/SE to a lesser degree the SW, give their Muslim minority a representation in their governments?
Gondonu: ....Humn! Don't give what you can't accept from anyone. Nigeria is a secular state. Don't continue to promote one religion over the state. This is a recipe for disaster.
Who care about others that are neither christians nor Muslims?
APC2: Nobody is feeling insecure. Why are the Muslims in North hiding the population of the Christians in the north? I hope they are feeling insecure?
Why are the Muslims trying to hide the population of Christians from the national data by removing 'religion'from the database and refused to include it in the population census data form? They are feeling insecure!
Oga, form your party as northern christians, field your candidate and vote for him/her. Nobody will accuse you of voting along religious line because it can't be proven. You can ask for CAN's assistance.
This will be more factual than an empty rant on NL.
festacman: Asiwaju Bola Tinubu showed he has strong political structure and massive goodwill outside of SW. Across the 6 geopolitical zones of the country, he had deliberately invested in other people's aspirations as well as intervened in other people's moments of trial. He built network of politicians who owe him a payback. Today, he got it.
Pres Buhari's humiliation of Tinubu also gained sympathy for him. Many Northern APC politicians believe that Tinubu deserve a better deal having given Pres. Buhari his 100% support once again in 2019 in spite of being relegated after 2015 landmark APC victory. Matter of fact Pres. Buhari won APC primary over Kwankwanso and Atiku on the strength of SW delegates' block votes. Being politicians, these Northern politicians know how painful being used and dumped can be. Today, they stood for him.
TheNiceGuy: Ashiwaju is a joke cracker, he said that jocularly.
He said he'll punish President, is that also an Attack
It's too early to be twisting words It's too early to HATE, drink water and better your own life.
We shall still cross that bridge
Congratulations bro. Tinubu has fought a good fight. Even, if he doesn't win the general election come 2023, he has seriously prove to the Buhari's cabal that he is the Jagaban!
TenQ: It's just a simple yes or no answer. If Allah spoke to Dhul-Qarnayn, then Dhul-Qarnayn is a real person finding a people at the place where the sun set INSIDE the murky waters.
Knowing from geography that the earth is spherical, can you please educate us about the place of sunset?
I'm sure you'll run away finally!
LOL!
I have educated you enough as a Muslim. Since you think you know better as a non Muslim, i should stop wasting my time with you on an endless argument.
Know that I should educate you about Islam and not the other way round. You can only think what it is or not but, i should tell you what it actually is. Whether you agree or not is no longer for me.
TenQ: Remain in your ignorance rather than asking questions!
People asked Mohammed about Dhul-Qarnayn (believing that he does not know the answer). Rather than Allah correcting what the Jews and the Arabians know about Dhul-Qarnayn, Allah repeated the same old wives tales to them AND
Allah told them that he even spoke to Dhul-Qarnayn when he met the people in the muddy waters where the sun set.
Was Dhul-Qarnayn a real person or a fictional character?
While, you remain in your arrogance.
Continue arguing about what you don't want to know.
1. Qur'an 18:83 And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about Dhul-Qarnayn. Say, "I will recite to you about him a report."
People especially the Jews knew about the person called Dhul-Qarnayn and they were questioning Mohammed about Him. Allah says HE WILL recite to Mohammed the Report of what happened From here we have no dispute about who was narrating the history of Dhul-Qarnayn
2. Qur'an 18:84 Indeed We established him upon the earth, and We gave him to everything a way.
Allah says He (Allah), gave Dhul-Qarnayn EVERY power and title upon the earth. And this is very okay for Allah to say.
3. Quran 18:85 So he followed a way
Allah is reporting that Dhul-Qarnayn followed a way (on earth); There is no problem with this as everyone travels on earth
4. Qur'an 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."
Allah says that the way Dhul-Qarnayn followed led him to a place where 1. He reached the setting of the sun (the place must be very far westward) 2. Dhul-Qarnayn found the sun setting in a Spring of dark mud. 3. He also found a people at this place of dark mud where the sun sets. 4. Allah then speaks to Dhul-Qarnayn to either convert then to doing good or punish them.
Here is the Arabic of ayah 86, show me where the phrase "AS IF" is written. Google Translate is your friend.
1. Is there a place on earth that is the setting of the sun? 2. Is there a place on earth with dark muddy waters where the sun appears to set? 3. Did Dhul-Qarnayn also APPEARS to see a people near this murky waters? 4. If this wasn't real, did Allah tell a lie by saying that he instructed Dhul-Qarnayn To either convert the people to goodness or punish them?
If you can truthfully and honestly answer these questions: Doesn't these show that Allah has never seen the both the earth and sun from space before?
Here is a hadith that confirms this
[Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421]
Narrated Abu Dhar:
The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing."
TenQ: My brother, I wish you use EXACTLY the same standard to judge yourself as you use to judge others. 1. Just as the Catholic bible has extra books than the standard bible, we have found that some Qurans have extra TWO Surahs. The arguments is NOT important as EVERYONE will have his arguments 2. The standard Islamic Narrative of the Qur'an perfectly preserved (word for word, dot for dot) thus falls apart in that it seems that even though Uthman TRIED to standardise the Qur'an, he did not fully succeed. 3. The bad thing was that the Islamic scholars were well aware of these documents differences in the Qur'an but deliberately kept it to sell a FALSE narrative to BOTH Muslims and Christians. That was a Taqqiyya in the Name of Allah!? 4. The NEW narratives of differences in INTONATIONS or DIALECTS between especially the Warsh Qur'an and the Hafs Qur'an is also a DECEPTION. I can give you a few examples if you care!
What else has been coloured by the standard Islamic Narratives?
I expected this from you.
When a christian asks a question, 98% of the time, he has his answer before asking.
Anyways, i have answered you as a Muslim.
You can choose to remain with the answer from those christian anti-islam website, dat na your tohro!
TenQ: You have not answered my questions. Anyways, They use it exactly as you Nigerian Muslims use Surah Al-Fathia by Syrian Muslims. For me because it was from Ubayy bin Kab is extremely important.
Do you now agree that the standard Islamic Narrative about the Qur'an being perfectly preserved word for words up to diacritical marks is FALSE!
BTW, I attached the two surahs in my original post
Apart from the Mushaf of Ubayy bin Kabb can this be found in any other Islamic source?
Ok. Most Islamic Scholars and Commentators are in agreement that the two surahs found in the compilation of Ubayy were never part of the Qur'an rather, they were du'ai qunut recited during prayers, especially the fajr prayer. Ubayy compilation was not a Qur'an. It was for his personal use only.
You cannot learn Islam from those christian anti-Islam websites. They will only deepen you in your abyss. That is their objective.
You should get in touch with a competent Islamic Scholar if you are truly interested in learning Islam. You can definitely get one around you.
TenQ: Why is Surah 115 and Surah 116 not in the Hafs Quran commonly used in Nigeria?
Muslims would want everybody to believe that there is only one Arabic Quran. Unfortunately, the standard Islamic Narrations has been found to be complete lies to deceive both Muslims and non-Muslims.
When you show them that there are two MAJOR Arabic Qurans in existence "the Hafs Quran" and the "Warsh Quran", they say that the difference is just in pronunciation ANOTHER LIE!
Today, I want to bring to you the fact that Muslims do not want you to know that some Arabic Qurans Have Surah 115 and Surah 116 (Surat al-Khal and Surat al-Hafd)
To avoid any controversy, Ill post these two surahs here for all to see.
Attachment 1: Surat al-khal Attachment 2: Surat al-Hafd
AntiChristian: compton11: haekymbahd: mhmsadyq:
1. If the Quran is perfectly preserved even to diacritical marks (unlike the bible with KJV, NIV, NWT etc), why is the Quran from Uthman different from that from Ubayy bin Kab? 2. Which of these two qurans is the exact words of Allah?
How many other lies is the islamic narrative hiding?
Where are they using those qur'an? Be specific.
Bring a quote from those qur'an by a Muslim scholar from among those that use it?
Mrtaye: I am from Abeokuta but I tell you boldly that Umahi is the best governor in Nigeria so what's your fuse about, even your state governor is nowhere close so please stop the hate on your fellow brother
9jaRealist: False equivalency… Poverty is ENDEMIC in the North (90+% rate in some states), while episodic in much of the South.
In fact, if you split Nigeria today (and for the record, I am AGAINST splitting Nigeria)… Southern Nigeria will immediately become a MIDDLE INCOME nation, with much higher HDI stats. >
Is your statistic the same as the south "the south is flowing with milk and honey"?
TenQ: You were not part of my history, so how can you know? If I had recited the Shahada then, would your conclusion still be this? It's obvious to me that you've never read any of Ahmed Deedat's books. Why Should I want to become a Muslim to validate Christianity? Does this statement of yours make meaning to you?
The flaws were obvious to me as I began to read the Qur'an: I was forced to slow down what would have been a hasty decision on my part. On my voyage to becoming a Muslim, the Qur'an sent me back to Christ ! o
TenQ: [s]I don't need to tell lies in a faceless forum like this. Moreover, deceit or deception is a very Serious sin especially if it is done in the name of God in Christianity. [/s]
Ahmed Deedat's books got me interested in Islam. I counted the cost. I knew my parents will be hurt if I converted into Islam BUT I knew that they would not disown me not stop paying my tution. My major problem thanks to Ahmed Deedat was Trinity. I wanted to serve God truly and then of it has to be Islam, so be it.
But thereafter, in seeking for for knowledge in Islam, I knew that so many things were wrong.
Islam truely sent me back to Christ!
I still don't think you truely seek for knowledge. You only seek for validation for your doubts in christianity.
There are many materials on youtube and other media, even on NL, questioning the christianity and it beliefs. Do you agree with any of these damaging videos and literatures?
wis3: You brought about Zakir Naik and Late Ahmed Deedat. Are they the authors of the Quran? Are they one of Allah's prophets? Your arguments are invalid.
Forget about him. They have their answers before asking questions. Let him win, that is why he argues.
haekymbahd: The moment you realized the Quran was revealed orally to Muhammad and he wasn't given a book you doubt will become clear....
The written Quran was typed and you can't rule the fact that there may be typo error. The Quran is what is being recited and not what is written.
Your problem is that you think the Quran written down is the Quran revealed by Allah.
Quran itself means recitation and there are approved dialects and accents....
What Muslims are saying is that the Quran being recited today is the same as was being recited at the time of the prophet not what is written down because those recitation (dialect and accents) can be traced back to the prophet himself..
DonroxyII: I don't post to your satisfaction because you are mentally insatiable ... It comes with the Psychos:
Who is hell bent on giving a Nymph Orgasm on every Session [b] I post to educate people who may need one or two Enlightenment [/b]about the Op and that's all:
Politics › Re: Nigerians Won't Bother About A Muslim/muslim Ticket - Bashir Ahmad Tells Tinubu by mhmsadyq(m): 9:53am On Jun 12, 2022
... It comes with the Psychos: