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jaephoenix:
The Neantherthals for example. Homo Hominids, Homo Erectus etc. U want their names, and phone numbers too

So where is the document that these ancient men agreed and wrote down what was universally bad and good?

jaephoenix:
Well its not just my personal opinion. Its how the ancient man determined morals used by them in their society

Who is this ancient man that determined what will be universal good and bad?

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jaephoenix:
The point is this: don't do what is bad to another person. In this scenario, u were hurt/dead and its bad for u. Therefore it is bad universally, whether for me or another person.
This is the origin of morals

Baba this is your personal opinion.....
there is nothing like a universal bad. Something is bad to me does not mean it is bad to you.

Kobojunkie:
Freedom of choice? The devil? You mean like instead of him doing which he was meant to do according to God's pre programming of him from his beginning, the devil would choose to go against his core programming and maybe try to do good ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Oh so the devil does not even have a brain of his own?
Wow.
So when Jesus told the devil to get away, he was actually telling God to get away.

jaephoenix:
If I pull out a gun and shoot you, would that be nice to u? Would you ask to be shot again? Yes or no?

Shooting me will not be nice to me.....but it may be nice to you.

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Kobojunkie:
Is it stated anywhere in Scripture that the devil is under some special contact with God? You tell me given that my "I don't know since I don't have any evidence of such" responses up until now do not seem to satisfy you at all.

But you've stated that the devil is God's quality control manager and that God sends him to tell people to go against his will.
Do you mean that the devil does not have freedom of choice to refuse to go and convince people to disobey God?

jaephoenix:
Its simple. Whatever causes harm to a person is obviously bad and wrong. If lying causes harm to someone, then its obviously bad. Same as covetousness. Also if I don't feel good about an action (like murder) then its bad. You don't need a god or deity to give laws about them. Besides those gods/deities have been known to support evil, so we cannot depend on them for our morality

Who determined that whatever causes harm to a person is bad and wrong?

Don't you think that is your personal idea?

Kobojunkie:
Again, If you are asking if the God of Israel gave us the employment contract between Him and the Devil, the answer is that it is not recorded in Scripture. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are funny....is that the question I am asking?
Is the devil under any law whatsoever? Yes or no?

Kobojunkie:
Before? How the fk am I supposed to know that?

So the devil has not been under any law/will of God?

Kobojunkie:
1. Where in the world do you get that notion from? Certainly not from any of my retorts so far given that earlier I had mentioned that a Law existed even before Adam and God. How did you miss that one?

2. If you are asking if the God of Israel gave us the employment contract between Him and the Devil, the answer is that it is not recorded in Scripture. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What was the law that existed before Adam and God?

Kobojunkie:
No Scripture states that the Devil is under the same contract that God gave to the people of Israel or to His followers in Jesus Christ.

Are you saying that it is only the law that God gave to the people of isreal and followers of christ that exist?
Are there no laws in heaven?

Kobojunkie:
1. Is there some sort of Law allowing God to do exactly that which has been the fate of men since the very beginning or something?

2. If the Devil is not revealed to be a subject that is subject to God's Law and Will to the sons of men, how could he be found guilty of going against God's Law for instance the Law of Moses?

So you mean that the devil is not under the will/law of God and that he can never go against the will of God?

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=130040455]1. Is there some sort of Law allowing God to do exactly that which has been the fate of men since the very beginning or something?

2. If the Devil is not revealed to be a subject that is subject to God's Law and Will to the sons of men, how could he be found guilty of going against God's Law for instance the Law of Moses? [/Moses?

So you mean that the devil is not under the will/law of God and that he can never go against the will of God?

Kobojunkie:
1. The word Trust contained in your previous comment is not my doing. 2. Scripture instead has it that Jesus Christ was [b]Trusted by God long before His birth given that the prophets prophesied His birth and His status with God long before it all came to pass. ;[/b]D

2. God's Will/Law defines the relationship between God and man, not necessarily the devil and God.

Then why did God still had to send the devil to tell Jesus to go against his will?

Does the devil go against God's will? Yes or no?

jaephoenix:
Murder is bad. So I'm not wrong

Who has the right to determine that murder is bad?

Kobojunkie:
▶ What reason does God have to put His trust in men?
▶ And what gives you the impression that the devil eventually stopped tempting these men at some point?

I never made any of the above claim.
It's interesting that even Jesus was not trusted until the he was tempted by the devil.

Does the devil go against the will of God?

Kobojunkie:
Scripture does not state it but it sort of portrays Satan as just that. The Old Testament has stories of God using Satan to trick David. Another instance is found in the account in Job 1. Job was already approved righteous by God yet God saw fit to use Satan to test Job. Jesus Christ was already approved by God whose voice bellowed from Heaven commanding men to obey Him yet Satan showed up to Jesus Christ after He was led by the Spirit of God into the wilderness.

So you mean that God approved this people but did not really trust them until he sends the devil to convince them to go against his will?

Kobojunkie:
Scripture has Satan as sought of God's quality control manager of some sort. He tests all men under God's Law to see if they are worthy of God's approval or not. Even the righteous, including Jesus Christ, were not spared.

Where does the scripture say that Satan is God's control manager?

You also mean that God's Law in itself is not a sufficient test for righteousness, God has to tell Satan to convince people to do evil before he knows that they are righteous?

Kobojunkie:
Nope! God is instead written to have told His people to obey Him; He is never in fact recorded to have asked them to disobey Him.

So why does he send the devil to tell people to go against his laws?

jaephoenix:
Yup. Its called morality. And its relative, and varies with humans from time and time, or regions

Ok....so you may be wrong to call someone's action of killing other humans as 'bad'?
Do you agree?

jaephoenix:
The way they relate to humans. Evil is harmful while good is not, and helps mankind

Ok....but do you agree that humans have different opinions on what is good and evil and that there is no one standard?

Kobojunkie:
You can pretty much put it that way! Obedience and disobedience are both addressed in His Law after all. Has been that way since Adam.

So we can agree that God wants people to obey and disobey his laws........ Yes or no?

jaephoenix:
Good can mean the act of doing good deeds. It can also mean luggages.
Evil can mean being hateful, or dangerous

So how did we come up with these standards?

Kobojunkie:
God, the same one who created evil to begin with.

So God sends the devil to tell people to go against his own laws?

[quote author=sonmvayina post=130039666][/quote]Where is Hashem recorded in the Torah or old testament?

Lol.....so if man was not meant to live on earth forever, why was man created on earth?

Kobojunkie:
His job seems to be to test men by offering them options that are against God.

Who sends the devil to do all of that?