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johnydon22:
..lmao.. and what do you refer to as intelligent in this case??

... Am sure i have had this type of argument with you before you may do well to go and check..

I am sure i fully made it clear I do not know how the universe started neither do i claim to know, i opened my eyes after not before it

This is different, I only asked if you know it is the two ways we can explore, unlike then when I was taking sides, so therefore, we've never had an argument like this before. Now answer my question, do you agree that the universe is EITHER from an intelligent source or a non intelligent source?

sipsip:
Ladies, how do you feel when you accept a friend's request, and the guy thanks you for it? "Thanks beautiful princess for accepting me as a friend" or "welcome to my world love", "baby you sweet, thanks to be my friend", "thanks to be my pal", etc... It annoys the hell out of me! Sounds so low. Guys with self esteem, doesn't it disgust you? Why do guys do that? Your comments, warnings and outpours are welcome.

Different strokes for different folks.

johnydon22:
Neither did it claim any deity exists.. Religions make that claim without proof, the same way i just made a claim of a blue flying dragon with diamond wings exists without proof. . . The similarity is Both claims were made without proof and science cannot disprove any it remains an unsubstantiated claim

I've seen arguments like this times and times before, let me ask you one question, is it true that it our universe either originated from intelligent or non intelligent source?

johnydon22:
Bro please i beg you to stop trolling my posts, if you cannot discuss the point i raise but rather copy and paste an out of context post . please and please i beg you DONT BOTHER REPLYING MY POST THAT IS NOT DIRECTED TO YOU Please its becoming annoying..

How is my post directed at your discussion? I made my intention clear my making my motive know. LOL @copy&paste. As for topic, let me go through it first.

johnydon22:
Can science prove that a blue flying dragon with diamond wings dont exist?

Did it claim it exists?

babylolaroy:
God owns everything so we dont care what He swears by. Himself, His creations..ko matter. They hav the effect of letting one know He means to give a strict warning. gaskiya. why do little irrelevant thinhs matter to you people? cant you get busier? like find out what might happen to you in case you are wrong

Are you sure you are answering my simple question? All I require is A or B.

johnydon22:
..lmao atheism doesnt entail being an evolunist.. atheism is just simply disbelief in any deity

.. so bringing up a scientific theory like evolution have nothing to do with atheism instead you should direct your rebuttals to scientist and collect a Nobel price

Read this sweet poem, one of the things I enjoy when reading Bible.
28:12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?28:13 Man knoweth not the price thereof; neither is it found in the land of the living.28:14 The depth saith, It is not in me: and the sea saith, It is not with me.28:15 It cannot be gotten for gold, neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof.28:16 It cannot be valued with the gold of Ophir, with the precious onyx, or the sapphire.28:17 The gold and the crystal cannot equal it: and the exchange of it shall not be for jewels of fine gold.28:18 No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: for the price of wisdom is above rubies.28:19 The topaz of Ethiopia shall not equal it, neither shall it be valued with pure gold.28:20 Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding?28:21 Seeing it is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air.28:22 Destruction and death say, We have heard the fame thereof with our ears.28:23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.28:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;28:25 To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.28:26 When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:28:27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.28:28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job

CityNG:
We can strike fear into the hearts of robbers and thugs if we are all afforded the right to bear arms.

That's counterproductive

I think it has more to do with her tribe than being rewarded for saving herself.

ednut1:
i remember my friend day in 2006 using k750 to buga me, my moto L6 cud only accept 2 songs, but dat machine had memory card, all this tech stuff are vanity upon vanity, the range rover Fela Kuti use buga pple den, LATSMA dey use am toll vehicles now

Even if all phones made as from today are cast from gold, its not possible.

On point

mmsen:
All religions do that.

They tell people to depend on faith and not evidence - that will always lead to internal frustration.

I can defend my religion. Help him choose the best answer if he's too naive to choose one. A or B?

Abuamam:
Please stop quoting me if you only want to trade dumb anecdotes.

All I need is for you to choose, what is your answer? Why will you stay in a religion that flares up when simple questions are asked? I ask again, A or B?

This should be left to women, what a disgrace to MANkind!

History

Never again shall a woman destroy our economy.

The same 'Supreme Court' that exonerated you from this case will vilify you as soon as Buhari is sworn in.

barcanista:
Not everyone is ignorant of the politics that was played. Let's leave it at that and anticipate buhari's government.

Sometimes you just agree you made a silly comment, instead of making situations worse by explaining a dumb comment with another dumb comment.

PassingShot:
There shall surely be numerous challenges but with collective will we shall overcome.

Buhari has proven many times not to be a man of weak heart

You are right, in situations like this, we need optimism, not pessimism. They were like Hitler(who wanted US-England war), stood patiently for war to break out, but God disappointed them.

This country should mind its own business, what is the correlation that exists btw Nigeria and US? They think they can just meddle into issues which is not their business.

Good

Abuamam:
Mere speculation.

Which of these two statements do you expect to be spoken by GOD?

By the night as it cancels [the light]; by the day as it appears in glory; by the Creation of male and female.


"I swear by Myself, says the LORD."

johnydon22:
..chai.. LoL

At least I have something to gain believing a myth with so much knowledge and experience to gain. What do you gain being an atheist?

johnydon22:
Meaning you do not have any tangible reasons for classifying them as mythology.. So to say..

I wonder how you classify fables from other civilizations and cultures as mythology including ur own native mythology and dismiss them but cry tooth and nail to assert jewish mythology is true... Lol.. funny folks tho.

What I find unique in the Bible is its applicability, let me tell you a short story.
Some time and times ago, I went to a man, who organizes tutorials in which I also once attended to help me out on my admission, there met I one of my former teachers, I greeted him, he answered with a sad tone, he didn't know I wasn't there for tutorials, he went back to the whiteboard and wrote on it words of encouragement which I knew was directed at me. This did not deter me from acting as one who was told to sit among them, I acted as if I was there for tutorials (was a English language teacher), I listened patiently, asked questions, noted mistakes and even answered questions. I was later called by the man, and after leaving, went for my bag. The teacher on seeing this asked where I was going, wondering if I wouldn't finish the lesson, I smiled and replied him, 'I have my admission Sir, only came here for a little help from him'. He was surprised, howbeit, I kept my calm, seeing the disbelief on his face and that of the students that this guy that sat as one of us is actually above us! I waved at them and left with my head held high! I could easily have taken the back seat and playing games, which might have gotten me the fury of the teacher, who would have sent me out with much shame for me to contend with.
" 7 And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they
chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.
8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a
more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou
begin with shame to take the lowest room.
10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade
thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in
the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall
be exalted."

mmsen:
Forrest Gump is a story based around real events but that does not mean that the tale itself is true.

Anyway, much of the Bible is nonsense, the claim that the whole world was flooded is one.

There may be records of a 'Herod' but no other source records a massacre of children.

There are several other fallacies in the Bible, proof that it is no better than the Koran.

On what are you basing your stories? Isn't it on articles read online? After reading these articles, what are the loopholes you found in its rebuttals?

mujahid1339:
the story of Abraham and Ishmael building the Kaaba wasn't invented or start with the Holy Prophet Muhammad(SAW),it has been part of Arab history all along

Even if you have no proof is this statement, you still believe it's true, isn't it?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he
be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of
his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and
lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they
received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in
unrighteousness.

johnydon22:
Nope i didn't. . . i just want to know your reason for classifying them as myths?

I classify them as myth because you classify them as myth.

johnydon22:
Of course their are not different... If i may ask what are you reasons for asserting krishna and zeus are myths?

You are an atheist, you neither believe in Krishna nor Zeus. I am the one asserting that one of your myths is actually not a myth like others. You're the one to tell me if you've removed Krishna and Zeus from the list of your myths and why?

Abuamam:
I have heard all the contemptible arguments by people who look at Islam in a very cursory way, from as far back as the 19th century. These assertions have no basis in objective reality. They merely served to pretend contempt for Islamic values through misrepresentation and deliberate falsehood.
One reason why I like religious discussions with atheists is that; as oppossed to people of aggressive missionary bent, they purport to look at events from a logical or reasonable viewpoint. If you wish to prove the 'contradictions', and 'falsehoods' in the Quran, by all means open a thread to do so. However, do so using reason and logic based on how Muslims really understand their religion, and not how you believe they understand it; nor using stale viewpoints from ageing philosophers who knew almost nothing about the religion they love to vilify.

André Servier[edit ]
André Servier was an historian who lived in French Algeria at the beginning of the 20 th
century.
Islam is Christianity adapted to Arab mentality, or, more exactly, it is all that the unimaginative brain of a Bedouin, obstinately faithful to ancestral practices, has been able to assimilate of the Christian doctrines. Lacking the gift of imagination, the Bedouin copies, and in copying he distorts the original. Thus Musulman law is only the Roman Code revised and corrected by Arabs; in the same way Musulman science is nothing but Greek science interpreted by the Arab brain; and again, Musulman architecture is merely a distorted imitation of the Byzantine style.
Former Muslim turned to atheist Ibn Warraq writes:
We are told that [Abraham] was born in Chaldea, and that he was the son of a
poor potter who earned his living by making little clay idols. It is scarcely
credible that the son of this potter went to Mecca, 300 leagues away in the
tropics, by way of impassable deserts. If he was a conqueror he no doubt aimed
at the fine country of Assyria; and if he was only a poor man, as he is depicted,
he founded no kingdoms in foreign parts. — Voltaire
For the historian, the Arabs are no more the descendents of Ishmael, son of
Abraham, than the French are of Francus, son of Hector. — Maxime Rodinson
It is virtually certain that Abraham never reached Mecca. — Montgomery Watt
The essential point ... is that, where objective fact has been established by
sound historical methods, it must be accepted. — Montgomery Watt
According to Muslim tradition, Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba, the cube-like
structure in the Sacred Mosque in Mecca. But outside these traditions there is
absolutely no evidence for this claim - whether epigraphic, archaelogical, or
documentary. Indeed Snouck Hurgronje has shown that Muhammad invented the story
to give his religion an Arabian origin and setting; with this brilliant improvisation
Muhammad established the independence of his religion, at the same time
incorporating into Islam the Kaaba with all its historical and religious associations for
the Arabs. (Ibn Warraq, Why I Am Not A Muslim [Prometheus Books, Amherst NY
1995], p. 131; bold emphasis ours)
Finally, Islamicist Alfred Guillaume notes:
"... there is no historical evidence for the assertion that Abraham or Ishmael was ever
in Mecca, and if there had been such a tradition it would have to be explained how all
memory of the Old Semitic name Ishmael (which was not in its true Arabian form in
Arabian inscriptions and written correctly with an initial consonant Y) came to be
lost. The form in the Quran is taken either from Greek or Syriac sources." (Alfred
Guillaume, Islam [Penguin Books Inc., Baltimore, 1956], pp. 61-62)

johnydon22:
Did you miss the part i said "according to the [size=20]biblical fabel[/size]
so biblical fable now sounds like an online article to you?

biblical means from the bible.. (Now i am beginning to doubt you comprehension ability)

Bible is based purely on history unlike that useless and contradictory book called Qur'an. To assert that the historical book of God in history, how we can use history to relate with the present and the promise of living with Him in future is a book of myth, you have to have absolute knowledge of those for and against, then drawing logical conclusion due to weakness of those pro Bible to assert it as a complete fable. I am not asking for much, all I demand for is that after juxtaposing between the two views, what are the things you have that makes you assert that Bible is a complete and undiluted myth which is not different from Krishna and Zeus?

johnydon22:
None... Following the biblical fable.. Abraham was a sumerian (mesopotamia)

This shows you have enough proof that the historical recordings of the Bible is fable, including Abraham himself. Do you have proof?

johnydon22:
If i tell you i understand what you are yapping about, then am a fvcking liar.. make your point... which evidence are you talking about.. that abraham is of sumerian descent or what?

How can you claim a side is true by reading articles online? What I suggest you try to do is that after reading articles online, try reading the opposition (well known ones), find the weak links and use it for your arguments, instead of swallowing hook line and sinker and then coming out here to spit it out as the absolute.