₦airaland Forum

Zahra29:
Lol, it's hardly been missed. The huge migration figures have made headlines since the ONS release and Keir has had to make repeated pledges to radically reduce both legal and illegal immigration. It was even the main topic in PMQs today.

This Labour government is similar to Obama's administration. They both present more liberal than their Tory/Republican counterparts but behind the scenes they preside over larger deportation records and Starmer has to prove to be very strict on immigration in order to keep Reform at bay. Labour has quietly resumed deportation flights that had been paused in the last government and has already deported a record number of migrants. I don't think the public is going to forgive or get desensitised to these levels.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/19/uk-deports-record-number-of-nigerians-and-ghanaians-in-single-flight

https://www.gbnews.com/news/keir-starmer-three-record-breaking-flights-over-600-migrants-deported-nearly-10000-removed-since-election

Quietly? Labour was crowing about it from the rooftops.
Those were asylum seekers whose claims had failed , overstayers and the likes. None of those removed had a valid right to stay in this country.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is trying to remove people whose asylum claims hadn't been processed. That's illegal.

hoeminique:
Did you see current in my comment?
You don't deserve help sef

Lol. Leave him make im ac spoil. Na that time im go hear word

Ghana jellof is crap. Maybe I had a bad one but nah

ThriveHQ:
My people, please just a few questions:

- How do I go abt adding my husband's surname to my name in this UK.
- Is there any child benefit for an migrant with no recourse to public funds (on a visa)?

Sure , you can change your name by deed poll. The real hassle will be changing your documents..if you need renew Nigerian passport na double wahala be that

Your child is entitled to some hours of free nursery and of course free basic education. This is the extent of my scanty knowledge. Lemme ask others

giselle237:
nor be the name Home office talk… excerpts from the court documents…. “He states that he lives with his partner, Mary Olubukola Alade, who earns £100,000 per year working for AON. He spends his time working for the church, for which he is unpaid. He is entirely supported by Mary”

The plot thickens. I must admit to having a healthy dose of schadenfreude with my breakfast yesterday. What a fraud.

Unfortunately he ll go home to build a bigger "church" and defraud millions more.

ehizario2012:
At this rate, Hitler deserves an apology from all those who opposed Aktion T4. Hitler was simply taking the utilitarian approach.

Please Don't throw such comparisons around as they are highly offensive. I challenge you to detail the similarities between this bill and what Hitler did. And table it here.

62% of people support assisted dying according to an opinium poll. You can see why your views are problematic.

NB: Wikipedia auschwitz I doubledare you. Do it tonight . then come back and tell me about action T4 or whatever.

Goodenoch:
You haven't read the bills (both the Falconer one and the Leadbeater one that passed) or the reports around them.

Here's the report - https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-10123/CBP-10123.pdf

If you read it, you'll see that the bills were written specifically to address the issues you've raised. There's no mention of suffering in the bill that passed, and it specifically excludes mental illness and disability. It doesn't follow that because Netherlands and wherever else allow a different set of criteria, then the UK will automatically do the same eventually. Countries have very different rules on various similarly sensitive issues.

On Canada, again if you read the bill or the report you'll see that the flaw of ambiguity in the Canadian law was addressed directly by specifying a timeline and also mandating the consideration of alternatives by the reviewing doctors. This follows the model in some US states that has never been successfully challenged (and mandatorily expanded) in court.

And before you say that the ECtHR is more likely to expand it to prevent discrimination, the court has actually recently indicated (Daniel Karsai) that it recognizes the difference between systems based on suffering and terminal illness.

It's not a fallacy to consider that the UK might seek to do whatever, but it's a fallacy to make it seem as if an expansion is a certain or even likely consequence. And nobody ever said people shouldn't seek to prevent such expansions. Just as some people will be campaigning to expand it, those opposed should also campaign. Afterall, 'this is the UK' - home of democracy.

Similarly, the argument that it's 'open to abuse' is just false. The possibility of abuse exists in every law and policy, but the safeguards in the bill are demonstrably quite solid.

To be clear, I'm not saying there's no cause for concern with the bill or the practice.

There are areas I would like to see strenghtened - particularly about the right of clinicians to refuse to participate on the basis of their conscience. Ultimately though, it appears to me that most of the hand-wringing about the bill is by people who have objections based on their own morality (usually derived from religion) and are willing to deprive others of their agency to satisfy their own beliefs (Not saying this is you in particular).

Love it! Clap clap clap...I didn't think it would pass because the debate was quite emotionally charged with DNAR ,chronic pain and other things being brought in which had absolutely nothing to do with the bill. (That cleverly of a man )

I was pleasantly surprised yesterday. There are concerns about how this would work in practice and i do not envy the people on the committee.

I would suggest that anyone with misgivings keep an eye on the committee hearings to see if the public is allowed in and how you can raise your concern. Your views will help to fine tune this bill and make it ironclad. All in all,it was a good day ( except for that cleverly of a man)

Zahra29:
And what about other unpretty, incurable health conditions which are not terminal but nevertheless come with unbearable pain and non existent quality of life and positive future for the patient?

There are many incurable conditions that involve acute levels of pain, suffering and degeneration for the patient, but they would not (yet) qualify under this bill for assistance to end their suffering.

Opponents of the bill fear that it is a slippery slope and it is only a matter of time before non-terminal, but equally unbearable, conditions are added to the legal scope of the law.

A one-day parliamentary debate is not sufficient to decide if this is the right step for the country. Such a consequential law requires much more detailed deliberation and input from relevant experts on both sides.

The bill has gone on to committee level where experts will work out the kinks before the next reading.

At the moment no-one is seeking to add people with non-terminal conditions to the bill.getting the bill through on competent,physically able people is hard enough. It's a bit of a strawman argument to postulate that in future people with nonterminal conditions could be added.

Shall we cross that bridge when we get to it?

NB: Dignitas does offer such services to people with non terminal conditions but that is beyond the scope of this discussion

Zahra29:
It's certainly a big step, whether it's the right step remains to be seen.

There are so many factors to consider on both sides. For example, what about the rights of people who suffer severe and interminable pain but their condition is not terminal. Under the current bill they would not qualify, but using the same argument of pain, shouldn't they also have the option to end their suffering? What also of the rights of people with an incurable genetic and/or degenerative condition that greatly impedes their quality of life, sadly some people have no quality of life whatsoever, yet their condition is not terminal. What is to stop a proposal being put forward in the near future advocating for their (or their loved one's/guardian's) right to end their suffering?

"Nobody believes that the scope will not broaden, and the logical endpoint – a grimly utilitarian approach that puts a value on human life – is the same."

I hope that this bill will be given very proper and in- depth deliberation in the coming months (or however long it takes) and hopefully very robust safe guards put in place to avoid abuse and undue broadening of the legal scope.

The bill clearly states its for terminal conditions with 6 months left to live.
Anyone who doesn't meet the criteria will be looked after the pain/palliative physicians.

This definition also means having genetic or degenerative conditions does not automatically qualify you for physician assisted dying. You must be of sound mind and be able to administer the meds yourself in addition to being terminally ill.

Laws do have to be updated from time to time to accommodate advances in human knowledge. If any updates are needed in future, it will be an open debate again like we are having now.

I listened to the arguments today for and against...
But I already made up my mind. I have seen terminal cancer and it's not a pretty sight. When the strongest painkillers do not work...what do you do?

​James Cleverly, the former home secretary, asked: “If this is such a good thing to alleviate pain and suffering, a right that we should be proud to pass, why are we denying it to children?”


What was this man gibbering about? Not all forms of treatment are suitable for children no matter how good they are. I find him rather silly ,sorry to say

ehizario2012:
I've followed keenly since 9.30am this morning. It doesn't look like it's going to pass, there are too many grey areas. There'll be coercion, and the bill would be abused.

It passed!!!!! 330 to 275.
I m telling you, it's jubilation in most oncology clinics today

I see this bill as a win for people who are terminally ill.

It's got a few kinks to be worked out but I am very happy we are having this conversation.
50% of us will be diagnosed with a cancer at a point in our lives. For people with incurable cancers who today live in terror of a painful death without dignity ,this national conversation will come as a relief.

What do you think? What changes would you like to see in this bill?

What is IN this very important bill being debated today on assisted dying?

Douglad:
Benin names are funny as fûck

Osakpolor

Okpebholo

They sound like names wey we dey use yab people wey get big head for primary school 🤣

How ignorant of you. Do you know what your name sounds like to me? Very low level of thinking

Lexusgs430:
I would link the burial and employment status together..... We have cheaper ways of burying the dead....

- Go for cheapest option available (cheap coffin, cremation etc etc... No burial party... Low paying job, means nothing available for frivolities (cut your cut according to your material)......

I would wager that the reason for the depression, is most likely linked to the burial and job situation...... A situation you cannot help, don't worry about it..... (my mantra)

Thank you Lexus. You are very kind. I ll copy this reply to him.

justwise:
Matt Gaetz appointment was a shocker but I think I know why he was appointed. His first job is to clean up ALL the criminals investigations himself and Trump are under. All J6 prisoners will be freed then they will go after their own political enemies.

If I was American, I would be dusting off my passport right about now. All bets are off at this point. Trump will ram him through.Gaetz already resigned from Congress.

I was shocked to my marrow. Wtaf!?

What do you do when a stranger messages you out of the blue to ask for

1. Money for burial
2. A job( he makes 30000 at his current job)
3.Psychological counselling for depression

#scratchingmyheadvigorously
Any advice or help for this gentleman ? I m batting a big fat zero on all counts.

Sorry if this is not the thread for it but I m stumped,honestly.

Goke7:
No, you must relocate, They say it’s a cabinet of disruptive transformation, even the Secretary of defence is another banger. And you now add Elon Musk in charge of govt efficiency, the president general among the nations, omo this US govt must favour me o where is my visa, I need to port 😂. You’re coming with me no way!

God forbid.
It's a catastrophic disaster of monumental proportions.

Brace for impact everyone, there ll be an influx of Americans in the next few months. Brush up your CV o. Mk dem no come collect person job.
Ehen

Oh my God.

Matt Gaetz to be attorney General of the United States.

Am I f***ing dreaming?!

EGBAMI O! ANWUOLA MU O! Jesus I thank you that I chose the UK all those years ago. It was a toss up and I nearly chose the US but I changed my mind. Thank the Universe for me Ooooo!

jedisco:
All true. There is good advise on NHS website and prostate cancer uk.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/prostate-cancer/

https://prostatecanceruk.org


The only thing I'd add is that alot is changing in this area. In the past, the simple blood test and an unwelcome exam were not reliable enough to make them a blanket screening tool as many people with abnormal blood tests went on to have procedures looking for cancers that were not there or of little concern. The routine use of MRIs as part of the investigative process has been a game changer. With good data from the process and uptake in AI, I believe there'd soon be a blanket form of screening which would a combination of a blood test and scan. Until then, folks over 50 would need to ask.

Many thanks,Jedisco.

You ve heard it ,guys.
Follow that link and book in for a check. Cancer is really nasty

PMQs today was another skinning for Madam Maternity leave. Its like the dog who finally caught the car and doesn't know what to do with it.

Good good...she ll soon be out never to darken our doorways again. Muhahaha

Ebenezer2021:
Hello ma'am. Greetings.
Please I'd like to communicate with you on an inactive thread please.
I need your insights and assistance

Sure . Just mention me

ehizario2012:
Abstaining increases the chances of prostate cancer

This is NOT true. Just to correct the record.

There are 3 risk factors for prostate cancer:
getting older – it mainly affects men aged 50 or over

having a family history of prostate cancer

being Black.

I m happy we are discussing health issues and reproductive rights here. It looks like quite a few people have had a good experience with vasectomies aka the snip

GP Jedisco, kindly tell us how to arrange a prostate check or does it kick in automatically like the PAP smear?

jedisco:
You do have a habit of tying your self in knots by saying things that come back to bite you.

You do realise I'm a GP and at least I can appreciate the demography of the people I see.
For my first 2 years in this country, despite spending over 40hrs weekly working in the NHS, I was not registered at a practice. In over 5 years I've been here, I've never been to see my GP. Among Nigerian immigrants, my usuage of health services is not an exception as many of us grew up in a different health system and are inclined to use services less.

In my locality, the population of Nigerians has risen significantly over the last 3yrs. Some of us have our parents visit and i see them socially in the community. If their parents were routinely going on to register at a GP or even contacting NHS 111 regularly, I'd be about the first to know.

Was waiting for somebody to pick her up on this.
I only registered in the NHS to get my vaccines. My Doctor is back in Nigeria. I really should move but I haven't.

We pay for our parents checkups here. To the last penny. I did . At the Nuffield

Some people have no idea of our experiences apart from what they ve read in books. But they ll want to comment on those experiences. That they have no lived experience of.

deept:
Did not watch it so can't comment. The irritation has already been done when labour went to campaign for Kamala in the US. Anyways Trump is incoming CIC and we will continue our role as lacky to the US

Nigel Farage is still in the US as we speak. Going with Trumps logic he shouldn't be there.

Volunteers from either parties have been helping in elections since forever. Labour did not send then. Anything I do on my leave is nobodies business but mine. They paid all their expenses. Abi na so your work trips dey be? Pay all your own bills?

Cyberknight:
The Democrats might have spared a moment or two to think about addressing the drivers of migration. Trump certainly won't. His focus will be on aiming to ensure that the US can keep the flows of people out, not about what makes them flow in the first place.

Typical trump. Unless he is planning to build what we call a "garda" in Nigeria around the US,he will not stop immigration. Better men than he is have tried and failed.

The only way is to make your country like Russia. I don't think there are many immigrating to Russia

deept:
Interesting read. I the article in my opinion answers your question about Trump and Africa. Trump is very unorthodox in how he does everything. He is not the typical politician that will get on a podium and say what you want to hear then in a private conversation say "Bleep is fantastically corrupt", he will say it on his platform. We go to international conferences with the largest delegation, with little or nothing to contribute, and stay in luxurious hotels and come with cap in hand to ask for aid from countries whose leaders are prudent with resources. These are some of the things I believe he does not understand but will not keep to himself. He Will say what everyone is thinking.

Africa and Nigeria has been given chance time and time again, but what do we do with the opportunities we are given, misappropriate and steal.

On education, important. But then we need character and integrity. A lot of the people who have led us on this path are educated but where are we?

On Kemi, I did not watch pmq but let's attribute it to first time jitters. Hopefully she gets better quickly .

Jitters? She was trying to irritate Trump and trigger an international incident. To gain what I don't know.

She said defence wasn't in the brief. It was mentioned 5 times. Said starmer was reading from a script while reading from a script. After she Sat down, Labour Mps took it in turns to tear tear her cloth.

She had better come prepared next time. Gosh. Yesterday Jenrick asked labour why prisoners were being released early. The sheer cheek of it...

Cyberknight:
You see? Zahra, this is why our west Indian cousins see us as untrustworthy sellouts.

I wouldn't have thought this designation would be particularly helpful. It only fosters hate and helps the enslavers.

For interest only , I heard from oral history around my hometown, that never-do-wells,criminals were targeted to be sold so much like our personal Australia. I doubt that's the full story as the Aro people also sold prisoners of war.

Anyway. It's time for reparations now

jedisco:
Stop catastrophising this. U.S no send 9ja.
The last time Trump was in, he approved the purchase of weapons used in fighting Bandits which Obama had previously blocked. Downside was that getting to the US was harder.
If Trump decides to look inward and meddle less with the internal system of African nations, it's then left for those nations to pick up and seek opportunities to grow.

On the contrary, I m looking at a potential silver lining maybe? Trump is solidly in putins corner. That's why I said Putin is the new world power. Nigeria has aligned itself with Putin through this BRICS thing.

Do you think this would be more beneficial than our former alliance with the US?