₦airaland Forum

LionInZion:

"I have never voted in my life, but this time I'm voting, and I am voting Reform. Though I don't like Farage because he's never been in one place. But I will vote for his party still"

Quoting my neighbour word for word. Farage has won many voters to his side in the past few days/weeks, so I am not surprised they have overtaken the Conservatives,

Zahra29:
Well it's the UK's votes that matter, they're not a European party

I have nothing against them but some of their policies are too far left. Any extremism has the potential to be dangerous, left or right.

And I hope people realise that they are not just advocating for tax increases on the super wealthy. They also want a significant tax hike (NI increase from 2% to 8%) for everyone earning over £50k, as they believe people on those salaries are well off enough to be asked to contribute more to the social net. I'm sure you would agree that £50k is by no means rich by today's standards.

Cyberknight:
Your points are well made, but I disagree with all of them.

Foreign investment in property in the UK has been largely negative in terms of consequences. Effectively, people in the UK, with its lowish levels of pay and high costs of living, are competing against the middle to upper classes of the whole world to own property in their own country. The only slightly positive effect has been additional government revenue from tax on property related transactions, but in my opinion any benefit is outweighed by the overall negative consequences.

While the government was gorging on Russian and sundry other dodgy origin money, and dashing out residency and citizenship to anyone who rocked up with enough money of any provenance in their pocket to pay, its people were slowly being priced out of their own capital city and other desirable locations. While most people have the impression that its mainly luxury property in upscale postcodes that foreigners are flogging among themselves, that's not the case - they're everywhere, buying up new developments offplan, etc. Oxford, for instance, is full of rich foreign students and it sometimes seems as if all of them buy property before they leave.

Zahra29:
Erm no, they've moved out of Planet Earth and into some magical land of fairies.

Reminds me of sixth-form student politics. No one's going to take them seriously.
(Although I'm sure they're very nice people).

ReesheesuKnack:
Exactly my point. My decision to select Zahawi as an example was very deliberate.

But what you are implying by this is slightly different. There is a difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance. One is a crime, the other is not. I guess what you want is a strengthening of the tax laws to close the loop holes, not necessarily ‘tax the hell out of rich people’ or tax the rich people to stupor, simply because a GenZ or millennial next door hasn’t got their own home.

In this debate, I kinda agree with most of the points that atiku guy put forward, even if I disagree very slightly with his approach.

ReesheesuKnack:
That’s the reason why the incoming Labour government should build more houses. 🏘️ Build. More. Instead of demonising people who buy 2nd houses to rent out, the govt should build more houses. The demand for rented accommodation will fall. The millennials and GenZ will not have to rent.
But no. The solution is to make make profit, and riches a taboo word.

Over 2,000,000 people are on Long term sickness. The solution is not how to encourage (read: mandate/force) them into work. The solution is to tax people more. What type of sense is that?

Zahra29:
@missjekyll, have you seen the Green party's manifesto? They sound like the perfect party for you. Pity most of their policies are not rooted in any form of reality.

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1800846250998157657

Never mind a magic money tree, they would need a magic forest 🪄

deept:
It's to pander to the 'tax the rich' liberal crowd. Borne out of a sense of entitlement and jealousy.

ReesheesuKnack:
Last time I checked, I pay lesser in taxes than my Director who earns higher.
Last time I checked, I paid lesser taxes for my Ltd company, compared to the millions Nadhim Zehawi paid for his company.
Last time I checked, you, missjekyll pays lesser tax than your very senior colleague who earns more than you.
I am sure that Gary Lineaker pays more taxes than Micah Richards because Gary earns more. Isn’t that the definition of small selfish fetching small firewood?

Cyberknight:
Good gracious. A very Damascene conversion.

In her defence, she has now seen the light.

But while she's right about the effects of the UK's unbridled housing market, I don't think taxing second homes (BTLs) is the way to go. A combination of demand-dampening approaches, including unloosening planning rules to make building [social] homes on brownfield easier, banning non-residents from buying property (No government of any stripe has proposed that, because it works in their favour, with all their offshore registered investment vehicles and so forth), building more social homes and keeping them in public ownership, etc. would work better.

deept:
Well that's the reality for business. They are not charities and if the business environment does not favour them, they move, more people lose their jobs, no more tax revenues, towns go into decline, etc.

I am not anti-tax, I am pro reasonable and well thought out taxation. There is always a disadvantage or opportunity costs( effects of which are not always measurable) to these things. It might look like a win for govt revenues in the short term but it might hurt long term. [b]A lot of these taxes don't even hurt the rich people you so much want to get money from, it's the working people it affects the mos[/b]t.

BouharryArtikou:
Problem is, there is a very very thin line between hypocrisy & ‘I have changed’
I can imagine the uproar that will come from you, if the Nigeria government decides to impose a 70-80% tax on every single naira you have (or will) earn in profit from the Treasury Bills you purchased back in the day.
Remember those landed property you purchased? if the Enugu or Anambra or Ekiti or Ebonyi state government decides to impose an 80% tax and increase the ground rent by 150% will you applaud them?

By the way, how dare you buy lands with your money when lots of your neighbours can’t afford to buy a 20sqM plot? How dare you buy treasury bills with your hard earned money and make profits from it when mama Nkiru at Ochanja market cannot afford to buy food? How dare you buy an extra shoe with your hard earned money when papa Akinlade next door cannot afford N1,000 for typhoid & malaria test ?

Since you have changed, maybe it’s a good time to sell all that you have purchased with your hard earned money, give your state government (in nigeria) the money to distribute to people who don’t own their houses or who have no clothes or who cannot afford hospital bills.

Zahra29:
Lol, shots fired 😂

But people are allowed to change though, even Puff Daddy/P Diddy/ Diddy/ Love says he is a changed man (again) 😌🚶

BouharryArtikou:
Missjekyll, you’ve really changed oh…
It’s amazing what the UK can do to someone.
A few years ago, the same you - on another thread was happy with recession (in Nigeria) because it allows you to use small money to purchase massive pieces of land. You were happy with recession because it allows you to accumulate money that you would otherwise not have accumulated.
Yet in the UK, you have now become an advocate of the poor.

I wonder what will happen if every single profit you make on your T.Bills is taxed at the same rate you are wishing for people with 2 houses to be taxed.

Is it a crime to own property? If the source of income is legit, genuine and moral? Why should Miss B be vexed that Ms C saved money, denied herself some luxuries, invested the money and purchased a Buy-to-let house?

I really want to understand the reasoning.

E be like say for where you dey, Jeremy Corbyn dey play.

Maybe you wish for the UK to become a 100% socialist economy?

grandstar:
They were called skolls (I'm not sure if I spelt it right)

My mum had a pair. I I remember her using it to slap her driver after she discovered he used her Peugeot 504 seat beat to make a shoe .

My dad wasnt to happy with my mum and told her to calm down This waa between. 1986-1988.

Akwamkpuruamu:
I bought this score for my gf as a Val gift in 2000. Hid it in my room, unfortunately my mum came in, saw it and seized it. Reported me to my uncle say I Don de pursue woman, e pained me eeehh...


Since that day, e de hard me to buy gift for woman, rather I give u money

ReesheesuKnack:
My dearest sister….
I don see the thing. E be like say last last na Orange 🍊 get me ohh.
Red - I no trust.
Blue- dey fall hand eventhough na my namesake be leader.
Yellow- I kukuma no dey Alba town

That’s my problem with this Parliamentary thing joor.. and my local MP is a very decent individual ohh

Zahra29:
Lol not really, just a nice wish list because Libdems are not expecting to be the ruling government and execute any of their plans.

Plus they have proposed a hefty tax on second homes, just fyi as you are opposed to additional taxation.

jedisco:
Perusing the libdem manifesto- they seem to be a breath of fresh air and are ready to have a grown up conversation on topical issues. e.g immigration- they are looking at it from a need perspective and deciding where and how many rather than the Tories (Reform) who go would the populist narrative of 'we dont need them' but then turn around and open the flood gates.

Also, they seem to be the largest part with a reasonable percentage in England looking to reenact Brexit. I'm mixed on this. Rejoining the EU would not necessarily favour the African community in the UK esp those looking to move in. It would favour those already here as they can traverse Europe and retire wherever easily. Regarding the effect on the economy, its a mixed bag.

I'm leaning towards them. It also helps that they have a good chance in my area.

https://www.libdems.org.uk/manifesto

deept:
Good submission.

My point is higher taxes increases risk of capital flights.

brain54:
When you earn in naira...


And spend in pounds.

But truly though the uk is one of the more expensive European countries!

iyatrustee:
You must be looking for Shymmex aka Mr Cork

Zahra29:
No I don't think that's what it means at all. I have read their manifesto and none of it calls for "deadly persecution" against Christians, females or non whites.

Like they would put that in their manifesto. But hypernationalism has always always lead to this in the past.

I said it was "interesting" to see if the UK would follow the same movement as Europe and the US. That doesn't equate to campaigning for or supporting Reform.

Are you not? You ve been complimentary to them in the past. If I misread you , I apologise.

However, I also do not think it is a "calamity" to have voices on the opposite side of the debate on issues such as trans Vs women's rights, Christian church Vs gay rights, energy/green issues , immigration, tax and so on.

I am happy to have opposing sides but not reform please. I will have no truck with neo nazis and white nationalists.


You do know that some policies of the far left parties such as the SNP could also be seen as catastrophic to many people such as women, whose rights and identity have systematically been infringed to cater to another group or Christian businesses that have been sued and shut down because their beliefs did not allow them to carry out the services imposed on them. Why should the rights of one group of people come at the expense of another? Balance is needed on both sides.

Is the SNP far left? Far left is socialism, what policy of theirs is socialist?

Finally, a uKiP MP was elected to parliament in 2015. UKIP is regarded as more to the right than Reform and yet Parliament did not fall down and no one faced any deadly persecution that I'm aware of.

Hitlers deadly Nazi Party also started with 1 MP then drummed up support and devastated the world . If enough wallys people vote for them,they ll be a threat .

Zahra29:
Surge of the right/far right in European elections, particularly France, Belgium and Germany...

Macron having to call a snap election...

Only a few years ago, Marine Le Pen was dismissed as a rabid, far right "nutter", today she is positioning herself as a credible government in waiting.

Will be interesting to see how the far right i.e. Reform, performs in the UK.

MrCork:
Misxkekyll.see yor head like chacolate!!
Wot is embarassssin about dogggy ? U never beeento london in yor life. U dont even stand a shance. If u need moiney, ask me nicely!!!(((no oofencsece))

MrCork:
Misxkekyll.see yor head like chacolate!!
Wot is embarassssin about dogggy ? U never beeento london in yor life. U dont even stand a shance. If u need moiney, ask me nicely!!!(((no oofencsece))

MrCork:
Cant stand fenministe women .....they dont do dogggy sir!!!!(((no oofencsece)))

fatima04:
Sadly it won't go into building infrastructure but employing needless people into roles that can be easily absorbed. Increasing workforce efficiency and productivity should be the target.

Not forecasting income that you don't have or might not get. What happens if the majority pulls their kids from private back into state schools? And additional strain is put on the already poorly performing schools.

Maybe personal experience will better inform you than statistics you are quoting

IkeIgboNiile:
missjekyll

Who let this dog out? You're as senseless as you're stupid. So you think his father who knows of his virus doesn't know where to get the drugs free.
You want to box his father but you've never boxed your own or is he a saint?

IkeIgboNiile:
I wonder what you hope to gain from making tour family issues public. How the 5 minutes of fame you'll get here today will be enough to massage your ego.

PS: Hiv drugs are free and almost every carrier knows this.