₦airaland Forum

Peerielass:
If there were no grammar schools within 50 mile radius of your home and all the local schools near you are oversubscribed or are low achieving, what would you do in that situation?

Gosh, this is a catch-22 situation, isn't it? Almost like the system is forcing you to pay exorbitant amounts to ensure a decent education for your child.

Not everyone can afford to move house.
If it's any consolation, a bright child will shine anywhere, even in afternoon school.

This is the Institute for Fiscal Studies analysing the future tax plans of the political parties.

It's not looking good. See what your party has got planned.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKo6E0R45Bw?si=nI725tkDRJLqbJfw

Cyberknight:
Then you should be proselytizing for either the Lib Dems, the Greens or the SNP if you are in Scotland. Labour and the Conservatives have merged.

Lib dems are on the right. They happily formed a coalition with the tories in 2010. I also vote for parties with a glimmer of a chance of winning. Green is out.
The tories have moved to the right. Reform is dragging them even further to the far right

Cyberknight:
There is one way to do that - by balancing out the tax rates on capital gains as opposed to wage income so that effective tax rates are equalised as closely as possible. But I'm struggling to see how private education should be taxable from a financial standpoint. The logic doesnt stack up .The only way it makes sense to me is if it is done from a class war standpoint, which I believe is the case, a nod to Labour's Corbynite wing. Of course the casualties in this go way beyond the Oxford PPE classes and hit everyone.

That's a wealth tax. Labour has rowed back on this which is bonkers to me . But then I m on the left. They ve moved to the centre where the votes are in the UK.

I see 1.3 billion reasons to implement this and support it wholeheartedly

Peerielass:
Wahalla no dey finish for this country! Once Labour succeeds with the VAT charge on private schools. Their next target will be grammar schools, they will be stripping them off that status and making them non-selective schools which is why we should all fight against this policy by not voting Labour. It’s private schools today, tomorrow it will be grammar schools turn. We are living in a free state and people should be allowed to make choices that suits them.

Where did they say that? This is a lie, Ms Peerielass. This is an elite gathering of Nigerians in Diaspora. They are perfectly capable of making up their minds on who to vote. We just lay out the facts and argue back and forth to have a little fun. There's no need to be disingenuous .

dupyshoo:
I was already punching calculator to consider independent school for my son but based on this policy, our focus is now on Grammar School. Let us use our tax well and save our money.

Clap clap clap. The only vat payable on this one is on your child's cerebrum.

Cyberknight:
Of course. But is it a zero-sum situation - do the resources to fund the improvement of public education necessarily have to come from taxation on private education?

They should already be paying this tax. It was an unfair privilege and an unconscionable one now we are in such dire straits.
My taxes are already high. Before the government tries to tax me again, they must collect all the taxes due from everybody.

Peerielass:
Going by your argument, university education should also be taxed as well as private healthcare. Universities also operate as charities with business tax relief. University education is a luxury and not a necessity. Nurseries should also be taxed as these are also luxuries and not a necessity. Parents can stay at home and look after their children until they are old enough to attend pre-school. You can’t tax one form of private education and leave the other. Maybe state secondary and primary school places should be means tested just like University bursaries, that way it will be more equitable.

Second bolded - I belong to a few Facebook groups of parents in private schools and majority of them have categorically stated they won’t be able to afford 20% fee increase especially those of them with more than 1 child. Some of them living in England have even gone to the extent of contacting their LAs and MPS requesting information on available school places in their catchment schools. Majority of the schools are oversubscribed and councils are offering schools which are more than 5 miles away which would also mean additional transportation expense for the LA (read Taxi to and fro school).

Perhaps you should be asking Labour how they intend to staff the schools. I see many adverts for primary and secondary school teachers on my local authority’s website but there are no takers. You would argue that they would probably pinch the teachers from private schools that have gone bust but those teachers left the state sector for a reason and I highly doubt they will be willing to go back.

Only private school is a choice.

You must have some supersonic eyes to have seen me cringing.
I skipped past that point because it just sounded a bit dodgy to me. Not sure how to debate a point i do not even understand. There are trans children in boarding schools currently . There was no need to be crude. Your crudeness did make me cringe.

Let me blow your mind: xx and xy are not the only genetic arrangements possible. There is xxy ,xo . Even genetic males who look physically female.

It's a grey area and I m not an expert in this evolving area.
Feel free to hold your opinions on this topic as I do mine.

BouharryArtikou:
I note how you cringed 😬 at the thought of your teenage daughter being paired up in a room /bunk for a 3 night school trip with a ‘Jennifer’ who (untill last week was Johnie), and who still have a 7inch ‘Amu’ between the legs. You are happy that it’s all good, since ‘Jennifer’s testosterone level has been medically reduced to below 11mg/ml, not minding that ‘Jennifer’ still gets rock 🪨 hard erections. You are cool with your 14/16 year old daughter sharing a room with that person. Issorai.

If the extent of your ‘science’ is that low testosterone makes a man a woman, and high testosterone makes a woman a man then all I can say is… I sorry sorry oh….(in Femi Kuti’s voice).
You ‘follow the science’ yet you don’t know about X & Y chromosomes? You follow the science and yet, you don’t know about 🧬 genes? You follow the science? Which science Biko?

Goodenoch:
But it is a discount. We buy cars and houses and whatever else from already taxed income. That argument doesn't mean anything and doesn't show why private education should be VAT exempt.

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of parents cannot send their children to private schools. If you can, you're 'well to do' far above the average whether you consider yourself wealthy or not or whether you're making sacrifices to do it or not. Same as parents sending their children to Covenant University are almost universally going to be doing much better than the average parent of kids at UNILAG.

In principle, there's zero reason why the government and general public should be subsidising what is essentially a luxury (because private school parents not paying VAT costs the entire country via the loss of the funds that could have been raised, and therefore result in lost services or increased tax elsewhere).

Now, one valid point you've made is about how kids leaving private schools could lead to lots of pressure on public schools but the counter argument will be that funds raised from VAT on private school fees will pay for expanding capacity in state schools. It's not even clear that so many people will leave private schools. There has been conflicting data on that from what I've been reading, e.g. https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/06/02/independent_schools_misleading_vat/

The institute for fiscal studies has published a reliable study on this. I would discountenance the ISC study as it was funded by the schools themselves.

Peerielass, this change will not kick in till next year. Also , since your daughters school has been making a profit for years, they can afford to "eat" the disparity and not pass on the full 20% to you.

Your daughter deserves the best . But so do other children .

We are already being taxed to death now. Do you want more of the same? I dont.

At least with Labour, i can see where my money is going.(into infrastructure)

dupyshoo:
My thoughts exactly!! This policy will mostly affect the middle class earners, who are trying their best to give the best to their kids.

Labour wants everyone to remain under council control. No incentive of increasing income as you will be taxed to death. I wonder how a country will be productive when productivity is being discouraged.

And you will have it.your daughter deserves the absolute best. However, if going to private school, there won't be a discount. Its unfair to discount 7% at the expense of 93%.
If you can afford to do something that only 7% can do, you are not just "normal" people. You are doing very well.
93% of parents cannot do this even if they starve themselves and cut every other expenses.

Peerielass:
This is exactly the same calculation we did and the reason why we agreed to send our daughter. 11 years ago when my daughter was in nursery I was paying circa £1,000 per month. Over a year that’s about £12,000 - private schools fees are within that range. We are by no means rich, just normal folk who want the best for their daughter in an environment where she can thrive and be the best she can.

kwakudtraveller:
Human angle to the detriment of others. Well done ma 👍🏿

What others? If it benefits people, then I ll support it.

I seem to have sparked off some debate in the group. Good.
Labour believes that everybody has the right to express themselves to the fullest. This includes gender orientation.

It's not up for debate and no one here is surprised by this. It has been official UK policy for a decade or thereabouts.

Where sports is concerned, I go where the science leads me and at the moment , the IOC and world Athletics do not exclude trans women once they have been on hormonal treatment. This position may change depending on new findings.

Let's agree to disagree on this point.

There are other policy areas we should be debating.

Great British Energy, anyone? Housing policy? Let's go,people

kwakudtraveller:
Well well. Now I understand why you once argued that a teenage terrorist was just being naughty. I get it now.

Lol.I ve always been a Guardianreading ,Tofueating wokerati. Always to the left of centre on my social democratic corner. I have always fought for the humanist angle on any argument so I m very predictable

kwakudtraveller:
1 case you say?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/1974562/young-girl-is-raped-in-school-bathroom-by-transgender-peer/


https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/man-posing-as-transgender-woman-raped-female-prisoner-at-rikers-lawsuit-says/5067904/?amp=1

https://dallasexpress.com/national/transgender-inmate-rapes-biological-female-inmate-in-california-prison/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/14/transgender-woman-raped-friend-weeks-released-prison-child-sex/

And you know about the infamous Isla Bryson who transitioned just so he would be sent to a female prison after r*ping 2 women. I’m glad his plans failed.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/isla-bryson-trans-woman-convicted-rape-scotland-prison-sentenced/

I could go on and on, as there are multiple stories out there. Talk less about the ones that were not reported. 

Where does the taxation end? First, it’s to increase VAT for private schools, next it’s to increase income tax, next, it’s NI. Next, they introduce new ways to tax people. Tell me, MissJekyll, where does it end?

I maintain that these cases are not enough.

You are making up those other taxes now. The tories have taxed us to the highest level in 70 years while providing the least value for money ever.at least 70 yrs ago taxes were used for reconstruction after WW2. Where is the outrage on that?

Why not? So long as she is in same weightclass and doesnt have more than the normal level of testosterone in women.

These restroom arguments are giving me a bit of a headache. What is with the restroom? Lol

I find your last point a bit vacuous

Anyone is free to describe themselves the way they see fit. No one knows you more than yourself. Why would that bother me so long as its not being done to further a crime?

BouharryArtikou:
@Missjekyll:
I will ignore the fact that (for effect), you decided to have to use a prefix to describe who you are. Imagine, you. A whole you. You had to put ‘Cis’ in front of the word before it portrays who you really are.
Tyson Fury just lost a match the other day.
Deontay Wilder lost a match the other day too.

If those 2 above decide to ‘transition’ and declare themselves as women. Will you allow your daughter to get in the ring with them?

If you have a teenage daughter (Elsa) in year 9 or 10.
And then Jason in Year 11 decides to ‘transition’ into a Jennifer (using the Scotland model) you will be happy to have Elsa & ‘Jennifer’ compete against each other in football? Or in Judo? Or Rugby?

You will be happy for your daughter to share a hostel room (on an overnight school trip) with ‘Jennifer’? You will be happy for your teenage daughter to share the changing room, shower room and lockers with ‘Jennifer’?

On another note, I may now have to put ‘cis’ in front of my race, to differentiate between myself (a cis-Black man) and Mr Adjoa (a trans-black man) who was assigned White at Birth but has transitioned into a Black man.

deept:
I share your sentiments about the vat on private schools. Not only the rich send their children to private school like you mentioned. Madam and I calculated how much it is to send a child to private school and that is about how much we pay for childcare in a year full time for nursery without tax free childcare or the free govt hours. We could send a child to private school, it won't affect our current lifestyle. Are we rich, I won't say we are; options for childcare are limited. If we valued private education, we could continue on this path but if it becomes more expensive as a result of this vat, we pull out and go public like you mentioned.

It's always easy to tax the 'rich' pay their fair share etc but there are disadvantages. Answers are not always black or white, a workable balance is always best. They are taxing energy companies on their profits, these companies are majorly investing outside the UK these days where all these excessive taxes and 'wokism' don't apply. In the longer term the UK loses.

And I daresay the state school your child will go to will be miles better than now because of the money that ll be raised.

Currently 8000 pounds is spent yearly on each child in a state school. 16000 is spent on a child in a private school. This encourages inequality and further disadvantages the child who is already at a disadvantage . That's not the way to build a meritocracy.

This will level the playing field a bit more for children. They can't choose their parents and shouldn't suffer as a result.

As for the wealthy tax dodgers, they are not paying taxes anyway while using our services and enjoying our social life .so will not be missed.
We ll be waving a hearty goodbye to them.
( they won't leave ,you will see,they love london and the british education system).

Lol. Tumbom tumbom is not good enough. Unlike in Nigeria, elections have serious consequences here.

What do you want to achieve during your stay? Who is most likely to give them to you from past records and current manifestos(which are serious documents here)? Fiam, vote for them .

Ogwuna

We are having some more indepth discussions here because we like politics.The average voter does not need all this information to make their choice.

oluwaleokey:
Biko... you guys are just pushing me around with these arguments... lets sentiments be put aside and critically analyze who's the best suitable candidate/party to vote considering flexible suitable immigration policies.

Can you just put heads together, to select a candidate that would likely favour immigrants... I wish to vote a "Peter Obi" kinda candidate... if not I would gladly opt to "to-mbom to-mbom" method to cast my vote.

kwakudtraveller:
You are insufferable. Just this year, a trans man was moved to a male prison for raping multiple women. Or do you want men like Isla Bryson to share the same bathroom with your daughters? 

You are not sure of Labour’s plans on immigration after all the news others have shared with you? I would expect that you would have read their plans in absolute detail.

So the 20% VAT would do all that for public schools in the whole country? You should take some time to read the full policy statement of the people you are clamouring for. At least read their plans in full before you defend.

This 1 case is not enough to truncate the experiences of thousands of trans people. He was clearly a predator. The trans thing was just incidental.

Yes, the country will certainly be better off with an extra 1.3 billion pounds . It's not nothing. Otherwise that 1.3 billion will be raised from you and I . I ve had enough of tax rises.

Most of them do stay in France . The ones willing to make the perilous journey have strong reasons to and its not the 7 pounds for bed and board they get in benefits. Your puny rwanda threat will not stop them for 1 minute.
It wouldn't have even made me pause.These are very determined people.

Its not even up for debate, France have been offering this for years. Its not debatable.

Resurgent2016:
The people are not sailing from Afghanistan or syria to the UK neither do they just appear in the UK. The actually come from france. They have the option of staying in france or moving to other EU countries.

If they know there is a fair possibility they will be sent to Rwanda, they will rather stay in France or move to other EU countries. The risk of being deported to Rwanda if they see it as very probable will almost certainly change the calculus of their decisions.

That france will allow the UK manage an asylum centre on their soil is a fairly optimistic thought.

kwakudtraveller:
Miss Jekyll I don’t want to believe that you are as ignorant as you sound. I’m not even a woman, but I understand the dangers of having transgender people share the same toilet as my wife. Transgender people have been known to sexually assault women. Do you even read any news at all? 

It is very ignorant to assume that only the wealthy take their children to public schools. Only recently, a young Nigerian boy who went to private school was killed with a sword. His parents are not wealthy, they are just an average family that wanted the best for their child. You have also been in the UK long enough to know that making private schools pay a 20% VAT would mean more expensive fees and parents being forced to move their children to already strained public schools. What are Labour's plans to fund public schools? Our loyalty should be to the cause, not a blind following. Your so-called Labour Party has said more against immigration, but many pages ago, you said they were pro-migration. Think better.

They are sharing the toilets now. What has happened? With all due respect ,sir, I do not think you have the credentials to lecture me on how to feel about my own restroom.
I m happy to hear about any personal ill effects you have suffered from sharing with Trans Men. Any at all? None? I thought so

If you can afford private school fees,you are wealthy and make up 7% of the UK child population. You may not agree but you are. Labour plans to use that 1.3billion extra to equip state schools for 93% of the country's children.

I am not sure of Labours current stance on immigration . I do not still concede the point to you as your statement is a bit vague. Are we counting words now? What do you mean "said more"?

I missed the most important "point" of yours. Yes , yes all the sexual assaults this year was committed by transgender people( this is sarcasm).
On the contrary , Transgender people are more likely to be the victims of SA than to be sexual predators themselves. 4 times more likely according to UCLA.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

Olamilekan1201:
Nigerian Woman In Tears As Female Lawyer Who Handled Her Divorce Case Weds Her Former Husband



A Nigerian woman has cried out after she learnt her ex-husband married her lawyer.

Click on the link below to read full details:

https://thenationreporters.com/2024/06/07/nigerian-woman-in-tears-as-female-lawyer-who-handled-her-divorce-case-weds-her-former-husband/

We need names not a Facebook story. Misogynists will run with this as gospel truth

ReesheesuKnack:
My dear sister. The major selling point of the Rwanda 'gimmick' (now this is me quoting Sir K.S) was/is meant to be the deterrent effect.

Now Imagine this scenario for a second:
200 people arrive in Dover on a boat. As soon as they approach the shores, they are given hot meals, nice fish and chips and ushered into the Bibby Stockholm. The next day, another 150 arrive. Same thing. That evening, 2 Boeing 777 planes take off with ALL 350 of the arrivals to Kigali.

The next day, most Newspapers in France and Belgium (plus UK Daily Mail and Telegraph) splashed their front pages with photos of the successful arrival of the 2 Boeing aircraft at Kigali International Airport.

What do you think will happen to those dudes (well and a few lasses) in Calais? Do you honestly think they will pay thousands of Euros to 'people smugglers' to put them on dingies? NO WAY!!

I tell you, 99% (my estimate) will ququma abort the mission immediately. Now, that is the deterrent effect.

PS: The ideal thing would have been for the Rwanda policy to be backed up with the UK foreign office expanding their consulate in France so that anyone in France who genuinely believes they are qualified for UK asylum could go to the consulate to be processed. Or in fact, the French Govt should allow the UK to open an asylum processing centre in Calais so that any successful applicants are ferried across the channel legally and smoothly - via Eurostar or HMS Belfast or HMS Elizabeth or HMS Zahradeen. I'm sure you know France will not want that. In this case, anyone who arrives at Dover in an inflatable is, strictly speaking, an illegal criminal (under UK laws).

I'm sure you have heard or read reports of French Coast guards escorting the dingies through French waters, and once they are in English waters, the RNLI rescues them.

The French have been offering to do this for years but the tories want immigration to keep being an issue.
It would be a violation of the Law of the sea to destabilise a dinghy carrying innocent people. Asylum seeking is not a crime.
It would also be a violation not to rescue anyone who is drowning in the sea.
The tories can be criminals by themselves. The French coastguard and RNLI will have no part in that. Thank you very much.

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20211129-french-minister-urges-uk-to-open-legal-migration-route-amid-channel-crisis

Did you not know about France's offer, Rishi? I m happy to have helped clear it up this morning.

Nobody is as dangerous as the man with nothing more to lose.

Nothing will ever be dangerous enough to deter an asylum seeker desperate enough to trek here from Afghanistan.
Put sharks in the channel? They will come. Razors in the channel, they ll come.

Its a losing battle. Just build processing centres in France like our very sensible neighbours have been offering for years and stop the risky crossings.

Resurgent2016:
The deterrent effect will not work if people doubt you'll ever be able to use it.

If Rishi had done just one trip and showed the potential to do more, that number will definitely come down. Many in his own party strongly opposed it, opposition parties promised to scrap it. So no deterrence effect.

Even if Rwanda takes 1,000. When you realise you could be one of the 1,000, you have to rethink the equation.

It's like using having an expensive weapon that people doubt you'll ever be able to use. Will not keep you safe.

Not supporting or speaking against the Rwanda thing sha.

Britain grew wealthy and prosperous on the back of sailing to other people's shore illegally to claim the benefits of those countries .

They only receive a pinch of what they've done to others over the years and are already irked.

Private schools like Winchester college and all the rest of them are businesses which turn a profit. They should pay VAT like the rest of us. That tax will be used to equip schools for the 93% of children in state schools. What's wrong in that? The country ll enjoy the extra 1 billion in taxes

I am very averse to subsidising the wealthy(if you can afford to send your child to a private school,then you are wealthy) .Let everybody pay their taxes,mbok.

I ,an adult cis woman,have never suffered any effect ,bad or good, from the existence of Trans women. Why are you looking at people in the restroom? I literally don't care. How have they affected your life personally? Not hearsay o, personally from encountering one

Peerielass:
Perhaps anti immigration is the wrong choice of words, I should have maybe said strict immigration policies. In any case I have had a look at their immigration policy and as far as I can see their proposed solutions are very similar to what the other political parties are proffering. See below:

https://www.reformparty.uk/immigration

You need to also remember that we are all different and are at different stages of our life journey. What might appear important to you might rank low in my list of priorities. I will very gladly vote Labour but I’m strongly against their proposed VAT on independent school tuition fees, Education is not taxed anywhere in Europe but due to Brexit, labour is now stealthy trying to impose tax on education. I will rather spoil my ballot paper than vote for that policy, I also have a young female child and I cannot vote a party that refuses to pledge to protect safe spaces for women and girls.

I have not made up my mind on which party to vote but Labour is definitely out of the question for me, based on the issues I have highlighted. I know Starmer will be our next PM with or without my vote, however I’m not prepared to aid that process. I’m also in Scotland and have the additional dilemma of SNP but those ones have completely lost their sense of direction and it’s now a case of the blind leading the blind.

ReesheesuKnack:
My name sake just decided to score something akin to a hat-trick of own goals.
How on earth do you leave Macron, Biden, Zelensky, etc and fly back home just to record an interview? An interview that isn’t even going to be aired Live. How?

Pathetic!

His advisers hate him and are all secret Labour supporters.
I had no idea D day was such a big deal but I can be forgiven for that , I am a recent immigrant. He was born here, he has no excuse.

Truly pathetic. He is a goner. Can't wait for July biko

Zahra29:
Have you examined Labour's policies on legal immigration? They're talking quite tough, for example

In May 2023, Labour said that employers would have to meet extra conditions to receive a sponsor licence, such as demonstrating efforts to train domestic workers.

This is proposing a return to the stricter conditions that were in place pre Brexit where companies had to prioritise the domestic and EU workforce before they were allowed to hire internationally.

Why are all the skinheads in the Reform party?all the former EDL members and football hooligans?
What is their immigration policy?
I have no problem with the strict conditions prebrexit. I came over then and I survived.

I ll pass.
The far right is not for me.
Farage eulogises Enoch Powell ,vladimir putin ,white nationalists and denigrates immigrants.

I dare you to go doorknocking or to attend reform uk rallies.,then come and tell us how you were treated. Caveat: please dont go, skinheads and buver boot boys do not like black people.

Peerielass:
😂😂🤪

Don’t be a single issue voter! Apart from being anti-immigration, Reform UK have other policies which you might find favourable. I’m away to watch Question Time now.

I did not watch the debate just catching snippets. Your opinions and feelings are very valid.
BUT I m not yet ready to go back to Nigeria so i m afraid i ll have to fight you if you are voting reform.

Peerielass:
As an avid Labour supporter, can you honestly say that you were impressed by his performance on Tuesday night’s debate? I’m sure that debate did more damage than good for Labour.

His response to the NHS question was based on political ideology rather than commons sense. He will not use private healthcare to help a dying loved one, he would continue to wait on NHS waiting list. That to me is either foolishness or plain white lie but each to their own. Same reason he finds it difficult to define a woman.

I can vote whoever I want to vote for or even spoil my ballot paper. Labour does not deserve my vote because I don’t know what they stand for. They have refused to provide clarification on a whole lot of issues which I’m interested in. At least with the Tory’s and Reform UK, what you see is what you get!

Peerielass:
I agree with you Zahra but Keir is not the man for the job, he lacks charisma and is very evasive. He couldn’t even answer any of the questions thrown at him. I wish Labour had another frontman or person(since they can’t define a woman). I knew we were fighting a lost battle when he said he won’t pay for private healthcare for his dying relative. At this rate I will be voting Reform UK.

Why was this the wrong thing to say? I only know of 1 private ITU in London. If you are critically ill, you want to be in an NHS hospital. Critical care is unmatched in the NHS.
He knows this, his wife is a doctor,i believe.
I want a PM who uses the NHS , he will fight to fund the NHS properly.

Do you know the reform UK plan for immigration? It's not a coincidence that all the skinheads are in that party. Do not vote for Christmas if you are a broiler chicken.

woojin:
dont mind that guy that call me scammer. im not residing in lagos thats the issue

Dude, you are starving to death in the North. You better go where the job is. Do you know all the places I ve gone to work in?