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macof:
does it matter what they look to me?

you posted the images. ..I should be asking what ur intent was

any way. ..my question is still valid.
are those (Any or both of the groups) people whose images you posted true Ijebu brethren.?

Brothers of humanity yes, since all humans on earth is basically related or 50 cousins away from each other. When living in Sudan did i hear anything about Ijebu people. No Most people do not know anything about Nigeria besides footballers. However if you want to draw connection, some of the languages in the South Kordofan are of the Niger-Congo family. Other than that, no one in Sudan knows the Ijebu people. Most people in Sudan are more knowledgeable of their neighbors Egyptian, Ethiopians, Eritreans, South Sudanese now different country, Chadians etc. Nigeria is further from people minds, since we do not border you.

macof:
so these are the brothers of the Ijebu and not their fellow South westerners?

So all of them look like south westerners to you? LOL

scholes0:
They are all sudanese Arabs, a Population mix. The guy you say is from Darfur, can actually be Arab from anywhere in Sudan. Even Nubian!
I answered your question, I said the mix of those guyz are very old, and variances in their looks have stabilized.... It can deceive some people.

The problem with your theory, you have not pointed to anything that is historically accurate, in regards to large migration of Arabs in the country. As a Eritrean that lived in Sudan, i can tell the guy is from Darfur. He could be Nubian, but he would be an outlayer of the nubian population, because the majority look like this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Ip7qKX3ms

Nubian village North Sudan. My point, Yoruba people are definitely not from the Nile Valley peoples of Sudan, maybe South Kordofan or Darfur, but certainly not North or Eastern Sudan.

scholes0:
Modern Sudanese, are simply a mixture of various populations.
Some are at the extreme ends of each spectrum, like the very Arab looking ones, and the very Nilotic looking ones. Omar Al bashir looks something like a Black man, with some Arab ancestry...... If the look of a population is not uniform, then know some mixing has happened somewhere.

Look at this Arab

https://www.givengain.com/content_cause/images/news/98077-FBIIXT.jpg

Look at this other Arab

https://i41.tinypic.com/szwhli.jpg

And this

https://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/183498126_16ab3f328d.jpg?v=0

And finally this

https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/immigration/2013/11/26/from_there_to_here_sudanese_engineer_recalls_rocky_moments_as_new_immigrant/faris_elhaj.jpg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.jpg

All are classic signs of population mixture.


Although, the mix of some other groups are much older, making them look more like an authentic 1 lineage ethnicity.

The girl is from the Rashaida tribe which is a recent tribe that arrived to Eritrea and Sudan during the 18th century, who i am familiar with. The first guy you posted is obviously from Darfur, who is genetically link to West Africans.

The guy wearing jallabiyas is from the Shaigiya, but you have not answer the other question above.


I will say this and not going to further arguments. Sudan is basically the fault-line of various different people on the Continent. It borders Egypt, so you will have Egyptian looking people there, Eritrean and Ethiopian which mean you have many that look horners, Chad which means we have many people that look like Chadians, South Sudan etc.

[img]http://sites.duke.edu/stefanijones/files/2011/12/Map-of-Sudan-UN.jpg[/img]

It is very different from the Nigerian reality.

scholes0:
Yes, maybe.
but those first group are basically hybrids. A mixture of two or more races. Which simply means that they are a mixture of an indiginous population, and something foreign.
Just look at this man

What is so mixed about Omar Bashir? Can you explain this picture of the Christian period of their country?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/498527_RW006433_jpg1ca630f9c0780cf42cec49ac9603570f

and this is before the islamic period. All Africans do not subscribe to the West African phenotype?

[img]http://sudanembassy.com.pk/ar/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Afra-mool.jpg[/img]
A good example is this. This is a mall in Khartoum Sudan above, majority of Northern Sudanese, if you put the Afar tribes men here, and dress him in modern clothes, you will not be able to see a huge difference.

Afar tribesman Ethiopia
https://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb178/beyoku/2915106834_a8f1b9e1e7.jpg

Nor the Rwandan President, who happen to be Tutsi

https://thyblackman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Kagame-Paul-2015.jpg


and Eritreans

[img]http://4.bp..com/-VjEotLp6EUQ/UJsBxjxnmVI/AAAAAAAAC4Y/hRFjOmTc5-g/s1600/Eritrean+Cycling+team.jpg[/img]

Can you explain these similarities?

scholes0:
I know Yorubas are native to West Africa, while Arabs are not native to Sudan.
You can open a new thread about it and tag me, but I do not want to contribute to the continuation of the OP's title, which is just being deliberately stupid and misleading.

I agree what the OP written is indeed silly. I may create a thread about the subject me and you are discussing.

scholes0:
I know Yorubas are native to West Africa, while Arabs are not native to Sudan.

There is a big difference of being racially arab, and being Arabized. It is similar to Nigerians speaking English, but does speaking English make you Englishmen?

scholes0:
^^ None.
Yorubas have lived in West Africa, before Arabs even entered Sudan.
Group 2 might just be as old, but unrelated.

Can you tell me a point of time when large migration of Arabs entered in Sudan? Inquiring minds like to know? Actually what is Sudan today, is pretty much a created country, just like Nigeria in some respects.

tonychristopher:
THE IJEBU PEOPLE
THE Ijebu People inhabit the South-Central part of Yorubaland - a territory that is bounded in the North by Ibadan, in the East by Ondo, Okitipupa and the West by Egbaland. The Southern fringe is open to the sea with the coastlines of Epe, Ejinrin and Ikorodu. Despite the political division which has these three towns in Lagos while the main part of Ijebuland is Ogun State, the people have always regarded themselves as one entity even when the immigration legends which have often been cited point in dif­ferent directions.

There are immigration legends which tend to link the Ijebu with the biblical Jebusites and Noah (hence Omoluwabi -- omo ti Noah bi -- the children of Noah) but these are farfetched. Other immigration legends trace the origin of Yoruba people, and by implication, the Ijebu to Mecca where Oduduwa, the legendary ancestor of the Yoruba, was said to be the son of King Lamurudu. Oduduwa, according to the legend, had to be expelled from Mecca when he resorted to idolatry. This is another unacceptable story in that it implied that the Yoruba must have come into existence as a group after faithful Muslims expelled Oduduwa some 1,500 years ago. grin grin

Ijebu traditional historians tend to stick to the migra­tion legend that the people migrated to their present territory from a region of Sudan called Waddai which means that the Ijebu had a parallel migration wave just like other Yoruba who believe they came to their present abode via Oduduwa. That claim seems to be corroborated by a publication by one Hailemariam which states that "the most powerful people that the Negede Orit (ancient Ethiopian immigrant into Africa) met in East Africa were the Jebus." Their King was claimed to be so influential that he appointed the gover­nors of Yemen. If that king was the same Olu-Iwa, the legendary first Ruler of Ijebuland, we do not know.

There is a lot of evidence in support of the fact that the Ijebus migrated into Nigeria from Sudan. The most ob­vious is the Sudanese tribal mark which, though varied, is duplicated all over Yorubaland. In particular, the three ver­tical marks on both cheeks are the national marks in Ijebu. Moreover, in the border between South Sudan and Ethiopia, the original language which Arabic language has super­seded is very similar to Ijebu dialect. Names of people such as Saba, Esiwu, Meleki (corruption of Menelik) and many others are still common in Ijebu and the South of Sudan. A kind of flute which was formerly used during the coronation ceremony of the Awujale is still used in Ethio­pia and South of Sudan. In the second place, the passage quoted from 'Ethiopian History' by Hailemariam at the beginning of this essay shows that Negede Orit which entered Ethiopia several cen­turies before King Solomon and the famous Makida, Queen of Sheba (about 900 B.C.) met the Ijebus on the east Coast of Southern Sudan.

The ancestors of the Ijebus who now inhabit Ijebu-Ode and districts came into Nigeria from the ancient Kingdom of Owodaiye of Ethiopia which came to an end as a result of Arab supremacy in Middle East and the Sudan where Owodaiye was situated. The Kingdom of Owodaiye was bounded in the North by Nubia; in the East by Tigre and the Kingdom of Axum; in the West there was no clear boundary, while along its South-Eastern border, it was bounded by the land of Punt. With these people the Ijebus share their culture and religion. With the Tigrians and ancient Axumites the Ijebus share their tribal marks which are made up of three vertical marks on the cheeks while with the Egyptians, the Nubians and Puntite people, the Ijebu share many of their funeral rites, the Agemo cult and the Erikiran.

The Yorubas in Nubia were the nearest people to the Ijebus in Owo aiye. Even the Ijebus differ from the Yoruba in many respects. For example, while the main Yoruba group practice circumcision on both male and female members of the family, the Ijebus never practice it on the female members; the Yorubas used to bore the lower part of the ear in both male and female while the male never bore in Ijebu.

The first major wave of Sudanese that entered Nigeria was led by Iwase who came to Ife several centu­ries before the major Sudanese immigrations under Oduduwa and Olu-Iwa. The Iwase group of immigrants came during the reign of Esumare of Ife Erinrin. The next group of Sudanese immigrants were the Ijebus and the kindred peoples under Olu-Iwa, who entered the country at about the same time as the Yoruba under Oduduwa. There are many reasons to believe that they arrived before the main Yoruba group. The most important reason was stated in a Yoruba tradition that when Oduduwa was alive, he became partially blind and went to consult Agbonniregun, an Ife Priest, with a view to finding out what he must apply to his eyes to regain his sight. Agbonniregun recommended brine and so Oduduwa had to send one of his sons, Obokun, to the sea to bring him sea water. The latter wandered for many years in vain until he came to the King of Ijebu for help. This king sent a messenger to guide him to the sea and on Obokun's re­turn to !Ijebu, the King of the ljebus (Lewu Legusen) gave Obokun medicines for Oduduwa's eyes. And when Oduduwa applied the brine and the medicine, he regained his sight. The above tradition shows that the ljebus were in Nigeria before the main Yoruba stock because the king of Ijebu referred to was The fifth Awujale. In appreciation of this service, Oduduwa determined to visit the King of Ijebu, but he died about fifteen miles east of Ijebu-Ode. His followers settled down at Idofe, a town which has now become extinct.

The Ijebu legend tracing their origin to Waddai must have brought the known rivalry between them and other Yoruba people. If, indeed, Lamurudu and Oduduwa de­scended from Omu, the younger brother of Olu-Iwa, there is some sense in the claim that the Ijebus are senior to other Yorubas and cannot, therefore, accept the junior position that put them under the Ooni of Ife or Alafin of Oyo.

The bulk of Yoruba people regard the ljebus as peripheral Yoruba while the ljebus themselves do not hide the fact that the cohesion between them and others who call themselves central Yoruba has been the result of cultural and political interaction over the centuries. Time itself has taken care of these legends as the various groups of people in Western Nigeria have come to accept a common Nationality as Yoruba, be they Ekiti, Ijesha, Egba, Ondo, Ijebu, etc.. Even among the Ijebus, there are conflicting claims to the source of origin depending on the political intention of those concerned. Irrespective of these claims, the Ijebus are united under the leadership of the Awujale of Ijebuland and this unity is the strength of the people as exhibited by their achievements in the past 40 years of the reign of Oba Sikiru Adetona, Ogbagba II.
http://www.ijebuassociation.org/Discover-Ijebuland/History/ctl/Details/
Confusion in Oduduwa land

Which group of people do you guys allegely descend from in Sudan?


This group

[img]http://www2.hu-berlin.de/daralmanasir/gallery/daily%20activities/slides/shiri_IMG_3725a.jpg[/img]


[img]http://www2.hu-berlin.de/aknoa/hune/daralmanasir/gallery/manasir%20people/slides/sur_IMG_3520b.JPG[/img]

[img]http://sudanembassy.com.pk/ar/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Afra-mool.jpg[/img]

[img]https://hxreport.files./2014/09/img_6551.jpg[/img]

or this groups

https://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/07/05/Foreign/Images/2011-07-05T101252Z_01_GOT04_RTRIDSP_3_SOUTH-SUDAN.jpg

https://www.people.com.cn/mediafile/pic/20101115/24/7669107875525534236.jpg

[img]https://hxreport.files./2014/09/img_5400.jpg[/img]

Which groups or area in Sudan do you guys descend from?

or you are fascinated of the history of the region, hence the allege migration from that region.

https://i.pbase.com/o6/93/329493/1/120837632.Sib0NOKy.SudanDec094623.jpg

saxywale:
okay. According to the Awujale of ijebu land, you must surely be from Sudan just like the man in the pic below. Except ode-remo ijebu people that are from il-ode and i-remo quarters in ile ife.

You mean South Sudan.

This is Sudan

[img]http://sudanembassy.com.pk/ar/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Afra-mool.jpg[/img]

https://www.picolodia.com/store/large_nm2wxs.jpg

https://jideodukoya.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/happy-faces-of-sudanese2.jpg


and South Sudan/Darfur

https://www.talkofjuba.com/images/iconicpics/South_Sudan_Independence_5.jpg

https://forcechangecom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/darfur-1024x679.jpg

Big difference within a big country.

menabadoo:
when are you going back to Sudan.

You guys sound stupid, you know that the term Sudan was originally West African, right? What is now Sudan was something entirely different in various times in History. What is now Sudan has one of the richest history and archaeological treasures in the entire continent. No other country especially in sub saharan country has such a rich history, besides maybe ethiopia.

Example this.

https://www.designindaba.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/node/news/19092/gallery/sudan-08nuri0438.jpg?itok=TEqh5jyR

[img]http://orientenresor.se/dk/files/2011/12/Nuri-F-31-700x350.jpg?file=2011/12/Nuri-F-31-700x350.jpg[/img]


https://i.pbase.com/o6/93/329493/1/120837632.Sib0NOKy.SudanDec094623.jpg

https://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/021/5/f/semna_temple___gate_by_zooz898-d37oirl.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8246/8654798152_be4fa60dab_b.jpg

Interesting enough one of your fellow country men enjoyed his stay in our country.

Beautiful Faces of Sudanese.

Late last year, September 2013, I was opportuned to visit Sudan for a week long masterclass in the art of documentary photography tagged “Where the Nile Meets”. It was anchored by Elder Akinbode Akinbiyi, a Nigerian based in Berlin, Germany. My initial perception of Sudan was built from sad stories of war and poverty as portrayed by the media. Although we landed in Khartoum, the capital, I felt a lot of the news had been overrated as I moved around. It was fascinating to go round the town and hear from these beautiful faces.

It was great to have met all these faces and shared great moments with them. I met a woman who said Sudan was a place for her to take time out with her kids and get some rest. More like a relaxation spot for her. I also met some of them, happy farmers and proud of what they do. It was a happy city with great people in it. I immediately made friends with everyone I had a conversation with and I decided to photograph them. Also worthy to note is their multicolour nature which was interesting to me.

Here is the photos of the people from your fellow Nigerian.

https://jideodukoya.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/happy-faces-of-sudanese2.jpg


https://jideodukoya.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/happy-faces-of-sudanese1.jpg

http://jideodukoya.com/gallery-post/beautiful-faces-of-sudanese/

gbemi514:
if u wud rememba it's only 2 countries in africa dat wasn't colonized wc wz ethiopia n liberia n dere wz no civilization in doze 2 countries...........n d main purpose of d europeans is 2 suck d africans dry cos dey knw africa is very rich in natural resources bt itwz a pity dat we were ignorant of dese resources den

You cannot be serious with that statement, while you was running around in your huts, and many Northern European was doing likewise, Ethiopians were doing this.

https://sacredsites.com/images/africa/ethiopia/field-obelisks-500.jpg


[img]http://www.imagick.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Lalibela.jpg[/img]

https://www.kikijourney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/P1010253.jpg

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3929/15410244075_ac63d7e436.jpg


https://slides.worldofstock.com/TAF2780.jpg

https://www2.le.ac.uk/institution/gondar-information-hub/images/GondarCastle.jpg

[img]http://3.bp..com/-2LHarpLkIOo/VKQqNsCbuSI/AAAAAAAAGyc/IqzJLZ43DpQ/s1600/StGeorgeAndTheDragon1a.jpg[/img]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Ethiopic_genesis.jpg

Ethiopia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Orthodox_Tewahedo_Church



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJfbtupcGbs

yodanyrd:
I mean, am now here, and never knew people would make tread like that. It's true what you said, i should had give more information. I thought many already knew about us, because i search "Dominican" and it was mentioned in many treads.
Thanks for giving me some tips.
But next time, have some respect for my people, they might look "porn" but you need to remember, we are Latin-Western world, so it's more a liberal thing than anything else.
I wouldn't call it porn when many in the picture of the Kenya tread appear almost naked, no offense but you get what am saying.


Now, our traditional music are Bachata, Merengue, Mambo, Perico Ripiao but the most famous ones throw out L.A. are the first 2 and they are a blend of Euro/Afro heritage.
We have a more Afro tradional dance call "Palos".

I mean, am now here, and never knew people would make tread like that. It's true what you said, i should had give more information. I thought many already knew about us, because i search "Dominican" and it was mentioned in many treads

Probably so, I am not here on Nairaland that often to notice. Maybe due to a possibility your people are related to them, whereas the website i normally visit Ethiopian, Eritreans, and Somali your people are not in our radar. Since we are not related to you, in a genetic level.

Kenya tread appear almost naked, no offense but you get what am saying.

It is the contexts, anyone can see nothing is sexual and that the societies he presented are traditional from his first thread.

Now, our traditional music are Bachata, Merengue, Mambo, Perico Ripiao but the most famous ones throw out L.A. are the first 2 and they are a blend of Euro/Afro heritage.

I wonder if that similar to Cuban Salsa music.

nedu2000:
Ham saw his father Noah naked and instead of covering him up went and informed his brothers,so Noah cursed him

Look at this Fulaniman, this is hilarious. Funny Honers has been Christian for centuries, and i never heard anyone speak this dribble. Those European missionaries really did a job on you west Africans.

Fulaman198:
Most Southern Nigerians know nothing about Timbuktu. The only reason why many Northerners do is because about 3 ethnic groups living in Nigeria today also lived in Mali prior to now (the Zarma (also known as the Songhai), the Fulani (Fulbe), and the Tuaregs (also known as the Kel-Tamasheq)).

Interesting enough, Although i do not condone Axum posting, but he makes certain points about certain individuals. Again i don't agree but i can see where he is coming from.

yodanyrd:
Nah bro, dont take it personal, i dont know much how u guys deal here, so dont take offense from me bro. I was posting pics of my people.. i dont know why u sound mad..
Well they are many such as Lembar the FIRST slave man in the whole Americas Continent to revort against the Spanish which we Dominicans take pride on him.

We have the Indian Native Enriquillo who grow up among the Spanish in Santo Domingo in the early 1,500's and he was the first Indian to take many Indians and rebelled against the Spanish occupation of the island and even success for a while bcs the Spanish made a deal to leave the Indians alone.

We have many White Spanish Dominicans who fought against the Spaniards from Spain such as Caceres, & Juan Pablo Duarte.

We also have Mulatos(Mixes) such Gregorio Luperon who fought against the Haitian brutal military occupation.
We Dominicans are proud of all our herous, no matter if they were Indians, Black, White, Mixes, or anything.

Dominicans Republic is currently the 9th largest economy in Latin America. Its a Caribbean Regional Power, its the second economy in Central-America / Caribbean. It has one of the biggest Top economy grow in the whole Americas with a grow of 7.5%.

We have one of the most fatest & moder Metro Train in Latin America, we had it around 2010-11. Its very new and run throw out the Capital. We have one of the best internet & telecommunications access in Latin America, most Dominicans own phones, or smart phones. The internet, one of the faster in the Caribbean.
Many people who dont know much about Dominicans, think we are just the "Spanish speaking" version of Haitians.

Definitely not mad.

You should had use a map first, as showing the location of your country, not everyone knows where or what a Dominican is. If i ask my fellow East African (horner), he or she would not have a clue what that is or what a Dominican is, because you are not in the radar from our perspective. Then you present your people, and show pictures of your different cities, from people enjoying themselves in restrauants, entertainment, train systems, business district, etc. You should had presented it similar to this. It would been more enjoyable instead of a parade.

https://www.nairaland.com/2199930/northern-kenya-culture-people
https://www.nairaland.com/2111309/east-african-coast-culture-people


https://www.nairaland.com/2081752/cushitic-people-most-beautiful-people

Yours is more like picture porn, in comparison to what Gallivant presented in regards to Kenya. However it is all good continue on.

What is your cultural music or traditional dances.

Here here you go.

you guys should had studied this in school.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4pJTaiev8k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPHff1OKRlY



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfMWpL4hw2g

yodanyrd:
I mean, i wanted to show my people since i know most of you have never been exposed to us. But yeah my bad bro.
Well, Dominicans see Africans as anybody else see them, i dont want to sound bad but u know how the typical image of Africans is portray around as all poor, asking for food, etc which of course i know its no true bcs many African countries are booming. The average Dominicans dont think much about Africans, and neither about Europeans, Dominicans embrace their African heritages, which is already blend in our mix culture. But the view of Africans is not that strong because most Dominicans arent expose to them but only throw the media and we all already know how the media works about Africans. Honestly there isnt much influence straight from Africa, the only influence we have is the one that came around 300-500 years ago. Dominicans dont look much outside of the Latin America zone...

Am talking about the majority, but there are some minority Dominicans who would look up to Africans as a people of Africaness cultural influence.

Dont worry, if you meet a Dominican, they wont be racist or have a bad view about, many would threat you great as any person bcs we also have black Dominicans and we all see each other as the same.

Your pictures are great and all, but you have diversity in Africa as well, Which is not a big deal.

https://creativeroots.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Senegalese-wrestlers7.png

[img]https://northoflagos.files./2011/01/crw_5703.jpg[/img]

https://fbcmtorab.org/images/Image/user/attaya.jpg

https://verastic.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Igbo-Yoruba.jpg

https://cdn.bellanaija.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/hudayya-sadiq-northern-nigerian-muslim-abuja-wedding-bellanaijaIMG_0933-2.jpg

https://www.observatoiredesgaspillages.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/rama-yade-cout-voyage-mondial.jpg

[img]http://javascript:void(0);farm9.staticflickr.com/8006/7511144612_e4bcbc6308_z.jpg[/img]

https://i48.tinypic.com/2s94m5d.jpg

[img]http://www.jhr.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Ghana-2010-072.jpg[/img]

https://www.brentstirton.com/data/photos/1903_1tuareg_026.jpg

https://www.azawan.com/touareg/tinariwen/img/tinariwen_060411.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/wadF7bi.jpg

So diversity is not new, and this is only west Africa, image entire continent vs a little island. Instead of spanning million pictures of people. Post historical monuments, Tell us your history, How healthy is the Dominican Republic economy. Tell us about your infrastructure of post them rail, business area, Telecommunication or IT areas. . Post different cities, and what is village or your small town like. Those of the things i like to know and make a comparison.

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What is Steatopygia?

An ancestral trait
Steatopygia is a high degree of fat accumulation in and around the buttocks.

The deposit of fat is not confined to the buttock regions, but extends to the outside and front of the thighs, forming a thick layer reaching sometimes to the knee.

This is a widespread genetic trait of the Khoisan (more commonly known as Bushmen).

It is specially a female feature, but it occurs in a lesser degree at men too (in most genetic variations of Homo sapiens, females tend to exhibit a greater propensity to fat tissue accumulation in the buttock region as compared with males).

This trait is also found amongst the Pygmies of Central Africa or from Andaman Islands (Southeast Asia).

Khoisan see this as a beauty sign: it begins in infancy and is fully developed by the time of the first pregnancy.

Steatopygia is often accompanied by the formation of elongated labia (labia minora may extend as much as 4 inches (10 cm) (!) outside the vulva).

Look how a Boer in the XVIII the century describes this trait:

"The lining of the body appears to be loose, so that in certain places part of it dangles out. They have to themselves this peculiarity from other races that most of them possess finger-shaped appendages, always double, hanging down from the private parts; these are evidently nymphae (labia minora)."

James Cook, the famous British navigator, noted in 1771, while passing by Cape colony:

"The great question among natural historians, whether the women of this country have or have not that fleshy flap or apron which has been called the Sinus pudoris. The most recent testimony of travellers commands us to put the cutaneous ventrale of female Hottentots in the same category as the human tail, and in like manner to relegate it to the fables."

Steatopygia was studied for the first time by scientists in 1805, by French zoologists Péron and Lesueur, but at that time, many thought this was inaccurate or exaggerated, or that they had examined monstrosities and represented them as normal, or perhaps the subject may had been regarded as indelicate.

The labia forms can vary amongst Bushmen populations: in South West Africa, each labium is flattened and broadened to form a wing-like object, when laid out flat (the 'butterfly' type) while in Botswana and the Cape Province of South Africa the width is reduced and the anterior part thickened, resulting in an object like the wattle of a turkey-cock.

The 'wattle' type is commonly 3-4" long (7½ - 10 cm), the 'butterfly' l½ - 2" (3.8 - 6.3 cm).

Pygmies (both from Africa and Asia) and Bushmen are seen as the remnants of the most archaic current races and once, they inhabited most of Africa, from the Gulf of Aden to the Cape of Good Hope and all southern Asia till New Guinea.

Hottentots, of mixed Bushmen-Bantu roots, also often present this trait, as do Basters, mulattoes between Boers and Bushmen or Hottentots, while at the Khoisan, males can present steatopygia more often than Hottentot women.

It seems that steatopygia in both sexes was common in early types of Homo sapiens.

Paleolithic figurines and cave paintings from Europe depicting women, some as old as 30,000 years, clearly display stetopygia.

Those Cro-Magnon were more similar racially to the current Bushmen and Pygmies than any current European type.

However, the type of Neolithic Venus figurines (about 10,000 years old) do not strictly match steatopygia, since they have an angle of about 120 degrees between the back and the buttocks, while steatopygia is characterized at an angle of just about 90 degrees.

In 3500 years old Egyptian painting, the queen of Punt is presented displaying steatopygia, so this country still not precisely located could have been situated in Eastern Africa.

These very large buttocks occur sporadically also among current African and Europid women. (of course, some African women can possess Khoisan genes, so they display real steatopygia).

In steatopygia, the buttocks consist of masses of fat incorporated between criss-crossed sheets of connective tissue, joined to one another in a regular manner, while in other greatly enlarged buttocks, there is a mere accumulation of fat between two of the gluteus muscles (maximus and medius).

Steatopygia is believed to be an adaptive physiological feature for female humans living in hot environments, as it maximizes their bodies' surface-area/volume ratio but keeps enough fat to produce hormones needed for menstruation.

With fat deposited heavily in only certain areas in the middle on the trunk of the body, the limbs are left slim enough to expel heat more efficiently.

But more likely, being able to store large fat amounts is important in very seasonal environments like those in African savanna, where during the dry season, a food shortage installs, and live largely off of their stored fat.

Bushmen and pygmies are still hunters-gatherers, unlike other African populations that practice agriculture, so they do not experience severe food shortage during the dry season.

Women possessing these fat deposits can keep on reproducing through the unproductive seasons, thereby increasing their fitness.

Others say that the steatopygia developed as a response to sexual selection.

These Bushmen....

http://archive.news.softpedia.com/news/What-is-Steatopygia-51231.shtml


https://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/True_Negros/San/San2.jpg

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pkjag:
Amazing, didn't know African people had their own language scripts, always wondered why the Asians and Europeans had them but not us Africans

Not to say you are ignorant, but just lack a little knowledge. Some of the world oldest written language scripts is in Africa. You know that right.

itstpia8:
Hispanics have a certain type of smartness when relating with people.

It depends on the hispanic racial type.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/20/opinion/navarrette-mexico-racism/

tpiah01:
zambo is not really a pc term. . . . . . . . . . . . mixed race is what is used now . . . . . . . . .

in addition, i wonder if zambo and sambo are from the same root or not.

That is in the United States tpiah01, but in Latin America they have they own rules in regards to classifying people. Again each country is different due to their population in regards to racial categorizing people.


For example if a country is predominately of native american, and with some Europeans, hence they are going to use their own methods of categorizing people.


Likewise if a country has a mainly Afro descendant and European, again they will use their own methods in Cateogorizing people.



Again, if a population has a population of all races again they will use their own method of categorizing people.



For example Paraguay which is a country that consist mainly of Native American and Europeans, and the inhabitants of the country speaks both Guarani which is a native American language and Spanish, and sometimes a mixture of both.

This is people in Paraguay are graduating as professors of the Guarani language.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiO8Lj4Oq1U

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarani_language

mestizo (mixed Spanish and Amerindian) 95%, other 5%

Dominican Republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic

According to the most recent genealogical testing the average Dominican is estimated to be 58.1% European, 35.2% African, and 6.4% Amerindian overall.[113][114]

Genetic studies of Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA), which assesses the DNA inherited by female line, found in a 21st-century study that the Dominican Republic’s population racial admixture is primarily European and African, but there is also a noticeable Taíno element in the population.[39] Based on MtDNA tests, approximately 15% of Dominicans are descended in strict female line to Taíno women. Another 15% have Euro-MENA genes, whereas most of the Dominican population, 70%, have MtDNA Maternal side of African origin, meaning that the majority of the Dominican population is descended from unions of European men with African women

Honduras

mestizo (mixed Amerindian and European) 90%, Amerindian 7%, black 2%, white 1%

Nicaragua
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua


Bolivia

Ethnic groups (2010[3])
55% Amerindian
30% Mestizo
15% White

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivia


Uruguay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay

Racial and Ethnic Composition in Uruguay (2011 census)[79]
Race/Colour
White
 
90.7%
Black
 
4.8%
Indigenous
 
2.4%
Other/none
 
1.9%
Asian

Again it depends on the country, because every country in that region has their own rules according to culture, independent of the United States.

zambo and sambo

Zambo (Spanish: [ˈθambo] or [ˈsambo]) or cafuzo (Portuguese: [kɐˈfuzu]) are racial terms used in the Spanish and Portuguese Empires and occasionally today to identify individuals in the Americas who are of mixed African and Amerindian ancestry (the analogous English term, considered a slur, is sambo). Historically, the racial cross between African slaves and Amerindians was referred to as a "zambaggoa", then "zambo", then "sambo". In the United States, the word "sambo" is thought to refer to the racial cross between a black slave and a white person.

The meaning of the term "sambo" however is contested in North America, where other etymologies have been proposed. The word most likely originated from one of the Romance languages, or Latin and its direct descendants. The feminine word is zamba (not to be confused with the Argentine Zamba folk dance, although there is some relationship in the concept).

Under the casta system of Spanish colonial America, the term originally applied to the children of one African and one Amerindian parent, or the children of two zambo parents. During this period, a myriad of other terms denoted individuals of African/Amerindian ancestry in ratios smaller or greater than the 50:50 of zambos: cambujo (zambo/Amerindian mixture) for example. Today, zambo refers to all people with significant amounts of both African and Amerindian ancestry, though it is frequently considered pejorative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zambo

https://jideodukoya.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/happy-faces-of-sudanese1.jpg




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[img]http://navigators.web.unc.edu/files/2012/09/sudan-airport3.jpg[/img]


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https://jideodukoya.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/happy-faces-of-sudanese2.jpg

Interesting.

Eke40seven:
Yoruba and epicantic folds? or even the sexier almond eyes? I don't really see that often and I have lived in the south west all my life, however, this is far more common, I.e the almond eye phenomenon, among the Northerners, especially the females and very few males.
The Yoruba have the typical 'Sudanese' look.

Not to sound like a wiseguy
I wonder what "Sudanese people you are referring about? I just curious.

http://yooying.com/sudanese_stars

Do these people look Yoruba? I just wondering, but i have a idea which group you are talking about, think further west or South.