larride:


You can stop quoting me now.

Thanks.

I am quoting you for others to partake in the discussions when they awake. I am not doing it to taunt you like you may suspect.

larride:


Are you saying that Jesus isn’t real and He never existed?

Ok let's do it this way. What makes you think Jesus is real has he been to your house before. Has he helped you raise a dead loved one before?

larride:


Why do I have to prove you are not using an iPhone? Did I ever claim you are not using one?

The claim is on ground already. JESUS IS REAL and He Exist, you are the one that claim he’s not real and he doesn’t exist so the burden of proof has shifted to you.

You are the one that’s disproving which means you know something I don’t know, bring your proof that he doesn’t exist and I will bring mine that he exist.

I understand the angle you are coming from. It's the same way Pastor TB J will not question the purported miracles of Pastor Chris O. He knows it is fake but he won't question it so that his too won't be questioned. I understand your plight but continue.

larride:


Why do I have to prove you are not using an iPhone? Did I ever claim you are not using one?

The claim is on ground already. JESUS IS REAL and He Exist, you are the one that claim he’s not real and he doesn’t exist so the burden of proof has shifted to you.

You are the one that’s disproving which means you know something I don’t know, bring your proof that he doesn’t exist and I will bring mine that he exist.

I am sorry this has just shown that you can't hold an intellectually honest argument. But it's okay. It is what indoctrination can do to someone. And it is the same way some terrorists think.

larride:


I don’t understand this whatboutism.

Why do I have to disprove the existence of your brother when I never question his existence? This is pure logic which shouldn’t be lost on you.

I understand the angle you are coming from. It's the same way Pastor TB J will not question the purported miracles of Pastor Chris O. He knows it is fake but he won't question it so that his too won't be questioned. I understand your plight but continue.

bobowaja:

It's really hard. Years of religious indoctrinations from tender age into adulthood did the havoc.

Exactly man. It has done so many havoc.

Shadon007:
@mitocyan

You believe in the big bang theory so must know much on it
The big bang theory explained how the earth(non living things) is formed, but not the living things

Yeah I belive in the big bang theory. But the understanding of it or of evolution is not required before one can see that religion is made up. Yeah the study of the formation of living things is not yet known as at the last time I check from non-living things and this study is called abio-genesis. So many hypothesis have been formulated to describe it but non is widely accepted yet as at the last time I checked.

And as I will also say as intellectual honest people we must not be too proud to leave an answer as "we don't know" rather than bring up made up hogwash that stalls the evolution of knowledge and scientific thinking.

larride:


Thank you. Let’s tackle each question as you outline them.

1. Acts 1:8 says “And ye shall receive power when the Holy Spirit is come upon you”. When the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples, they did greater things that what Jesus did. For you to receive a miracle, it requires FAITH. Moreover, miracles that which expect differs and while some receive miracles and come to testify, others don’t.

You using the term “unverifiable” means you are doubting some miracles. Therein lay your problem with this question.

2. How do you know those that sincerely believe. There lots of believers that still exist these signs, they cast out demons, heal the sick and all sort of divine miracles. Likewise, there are also FAKE PROPHETS, who seeks to deceive in His name. He says beware of such. He said it clearly in Matthew 7:21-23

Matthew 7:22-23 -
21- Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of iniquity”

All your other post are conjecture. Christians have no need going about to prove their “FAITH”. Jesus never instrust his disciples to start looking for serpent to tread upon or poison to drink. I have had countless experience of healing from sickness.

The problem it seems you are having is that you are looking for miracles instead of looking for God. Like we Christians use to say, Christianity is about your personal relationship with God. How God will manifest in A will differ from how he will manifest in B, it all depends on each relationship with him.

Lool all these are just simple things a snake oil sales man will say to unsuspecting observers to ward off further probe so he won't be easily discovered as a charlatan. I've been here before. They say you shouldn't look for miracles but say Jesus did miracles and Jesus said "you people will do greater works that he did". A perfect model for a snake oil sales man.

Eagleboney:
bro I don't think science will even unravel or understand that mystery, scientists have already declared it a miracle officially,cause all their years in research have been futile

Lol if any sane scientists describes an event as a miracle we can be sure he means it figuratively and not literally.

bobowaja:

Lack of believe in gods or deities.
He said you committed a fallacy by referring to Darwin in your post which you did and you even went further to assume (which is another fallacy).

You must understand that this is a discussion, not an argument. So there is no need to go extreme to prove a point.

Yeah Correct. Honestly bobowaja we should be friends. I like the way you reason.

Eagleboney:
Even a kindergarten kid no that atheist is someone that doesn't pledge allegiance to any religion

Ok I think I get you now. What you have in mind is a deist(look it up for the full description) not atheist. The renowned Mathematician Carl Friedrich Gauss was a Deist. He rejected all religion but still felt the existence of God was possible. A God whose character does not fit into any of those described by the known religions.

bobowaja:

Lol... God of the gaps. Just plug in a god and go to bed. Never use "we dont know", always use "God did it".

Haha don't mind them

bobowaja:

Prove that I am not using an iPhone. Normally the proving should be on me to convince you that I am. Not the other way round.

Honestly I don't know how hard it is for people to understand. The day I understood this simple concept was the day I bade farewell to religion.

Eagleboney:
That is a real prove of God existence, cos normally dead bodies are supposed to decay in in 2 or 3 years I guess ,
but seeing a dead body buried in decaying agent in 1145 still fresh and bleeding, Even producing sweet scents as at now is a mindblowing miracle ,
check it out on Google and watch the video,u will hardly believe that is a dead body ,u will think they are sleeping

So how do we know it is God doing these things and not a process we have not yet understood?

larride:


What proof do you have that these things didn’t happen?

The burden of proof lies with the person that makes the claim.

larride:


Luke 10:19 clearly states “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpent and scorpions and over all power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you”.

Pls bring where he said you should go drink poison out.

So if you can’t disprove that he exist, how can you disprove the things he did.

I laugh in swahili. You've not answered my question either? Do you think you can drink poison without it hurting you?

"So if you can't disprove the existence of my brother how can you disprove that he can turn into a lion".

Well I'm very sure you'll ask me to bring him to a public place and demonstrate it otherwise you'll dismiss me as a lunatic. What if I told you he died many years ago. You'll know I'm not worth your time. That is exactly how you sound right now.

Eagleboney:
Have you not heard of places like Guadalupe, sienna,Assisi, Fatima, just to mention a few
many Catholic saints are incorruptible so many years after death ,most recent one died in 1968 but their body have defied decaying, some are still bleeding since 1233 ,sweet scents oozing out from some of the bodies,
scientist have no answer to this miracle ,because some of them are buried in lime ,
check It out and attest to that

So what does this prove? At some point scientist didn't have the answer to communication over the internet of two people far apart. Here we are talking to each other without even knowing one another's location today?

Eagleboney:
Nothing like fallacy in what I said,these scientists are the real atheists but they believed

An atheist is someone that doesn't belive in any religion. So you might want to reorganize your points.

pes2019:


The word

War[/b]has meaning and place of usage
Likewise the word[b]rubbish so Witches
Can't just exist without form.

Ok I'm sorry I used those insulting words.

Shadon007:
@mitocyan like the way you reason sir

Do u believe in the supernatural

Thanks Shadon007. No I have no reason to belive in the supernatural as much as I have no reason to belive in superman or spiderman.

larride:


You are contradicting yourself. Stay one place for this argument pls.

If you are saying the religions were made up, you are basically saying Jesus didn’t exist. Is that your argument.

I’m asking you so you can clarify.

My argument is that all the supernatural things attributed to Jesus are made up and never happened like Virgin Birth, raising the dead, miracles and rising from the dead.

larride:


Like I said, I don’t do scattergun approach. You must be consistent in your argument and even if you want to jump to another thing without first clearing up the basis of our argument.

Do you agree that Jesus existed or not or you believe he was made up? Answer that without dribbling yourself. The answer should be straightforward enough.

@ the bolded, do not bring fallacy into the discussion as it erode whatever intergrity in your words. Where in the Bible did Jesus says “You can thread upon snakes and drink poison without them hurting you”? If you can make the Bible reference, it will be much appreciated.

Check Luke 10:19. Well I don't know if a man called Jesus existed at some point in history. But I'm sure all the supernatural things attributed to him are made up. Virgin birth, raising the dead, miracles and rising from the dead.

Eagleboney:
U have not witnessed or heard some of their fetish tricks and stunts before,
I don't believe in fetish and diabolic elements, but I strongly believe in the existence of God

Because they are all made up hogwash by people that didn't know much. So why do you believe in the existence of God? Has he helped you raise a dead man before?

larride:


So you are saying both Jesus and Mohammed never existed, right?

Don't get me wrong I meant the religions were made up. And the miracles attributed to them were made up.

larride:




I’m sorry but this is laughable to say the least. Your argument has to be one of the lamest I have heard from atheists (no offense intended pls).

I hope you know the Bible is a record of things that happened and prophecy of things to happen? (Especially Revelation).

Christianity is not based on the Bible. Christianity is based on Jesus Christ. Unless you want to tell me that Jesus is made up also. Is that your argument?

Ok seems we are getting somewhere with this. It is looking like you admit the bible was not divinely inspired like is famously claimed.

Oh and Jesus says you can thread upon snakes and drink poisons without them hurting you. So can you drink sniper like right now? Since it won't hurt you?

larride:


Christian and Muslim agree on what?

If you are conversant with history well, there are some basic fact that you shouldn’t even be contesting.

It is a fact that Jesus came before Mohammed.

Christianity was as a result of Jesus.

Islam was as a result of Mohammed.

Bible is the Holy book of Christians
Quran is the Holy book of Muslims

Because Jesus came before Mohammed, there no record of Mohammed in the Bible, but Jesus was mentioned several times in the Quran.

Both Christian n Muslims agree there’s a Supreme being called God.

Because they are both made up. And one copied from one. I don't want to be explicit here for sanctity sake. But I belive you know which.

Eagleboney:
There are a lot of miracles in this era,my friend who is a die hard aspiring astronaut and astrologer was in doubts like u before ,
I surely guess you believe in the existence of diabolic elements like witches attack and traditional gods like amadioha and co

No nothing like witches. If there were they would have been employed during the civil war. People would have milked cbn dry by now. I don't want to go into the endless scenarios that can arise if they exist. Please those statements are complete rubbish.

pes2019:


I never made mention of Christians nor Muslim,
Just answer the needed.

Why 90% atheist believe in God

Please where is the source of this information. It is strange to me. 90% atheist belive in God? Even if true I've seen several hogwash statements of people that claim to be an atheist and belive in God. So it's nothing new. Just some set of people doing stupid things.

larride:


I don’t understand this question kind sir.

Christianity made up? Who made it up?

Lol the question is simple enough. Except you are not willing to keep an open mind in which case this intellectual exercise is futile. I'm willing to keep an open mind to your points also.

Christianity is based on the bible. The bible is made up, therefore christianity is made up. It's as simple as that.

pes2019:




Then I must say that I don't understand your definition of testable.


But since we don't see air but it's very much real, bro thats the answer I needed at first. You don't see GOD but his existence is sure.


Note: Not knowing the source doesn't make it untrue.


Should in case you want to know the truth, it's just a simple willing prayer before you close your eyes to sleep.

We all are free moral agent.

Haha, if a simple prayer is the answer, why don't Christian's and muslims agree?

Also "you don't see Superman but his existence is sure". See how ridiculous that sounds?

larride:
@ Mitcoyan,

If we are going to argue, I don’t do the scattergun approach, let’s pick a subject matter and discuss about it.

Agreed?


You have the privilege of choosing the subject matter.

Haha. Yeah. Is "Why Christianity is made up" a good enough topic?

NuissancePolice:
I have created a thread and I would appreciate constructive responses to the issues raised. Lets not derail this thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/5669521/why-there-no-single-objective#86382455

Cc: hooha, GeniusOla, Haltek, Benflash, hafeezsemzy. Your inputs will be appreciated.

Lol larride enter this link make we argue so we don't derail this thread. I don't believe in any religion is good enough answer to "what do you believe in?"