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Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:34am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney:Lol if any sane scientists describes an event as a miracle we can be sure he means it figuratively and not literally. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 12:36am On Feb 05, 2020 |
NuissancePolice: Thank you. Let’s tackle each question as you outline them. 1. Acts 1:8 says “And ye shall receive power when the Holy Spirit is come upon you”. When the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples, they did greater things that what Jesus did. For you to receive a miracle, it requires FAITH. Moreover, miracles that which expect differs and while some receive miracles and come to testify, others don’t. You using the term “unverifiable” means you are doubting some miracles. Therein lay your problem with this question. 2. How do you know those that sincerely believe. There lots of believers that still exist these signs, they cast out demons, heal the sick and all sort of divine miracles. Likewise, there are also FAKE PROPHETS, who seeks to deceive in His name. He says beware of such. He said it clearly in Matthew 7:21-23 Matthew 7:22-23 - 21- Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of iniquity” All your other post are conjecture. Christians have no need going about to prove their “FAITH”. Jesus never instrust his disciples to start looking for serpent to tread upon or poison to drink. I have had countless experience of healing from sickness. The problem it seems you are having is that you are looking for miracles instead of looking for God. Like we Christians use to say, Christianity is about your personal relationship with God. How God will manifest in A will differ from how he will manifest in B, it all depends on each relationship with him. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by bobowaja(m): 12:36am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:Alright brother. My Whatsapp number is on my profile. Click to see it. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 12:37am On Feb 05, 2020 |
bobowaja:OK I got you, check my disco with mitocyan and see the prove the of Gods existence |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by bobowaja(m): 12:38am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Eagleboney:Okay. I will do that. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Shadon007: 12:38am On Feb 05, 2020 |
@mitocyan You believe in the big bang theory so must know much on it The big bang theory explained how the earth(non living things) is formed, but not the living things |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:40am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride: Lool all these are just simple things a snake oil sales man will say to unsuspecting observers to ward off further probe so he won't be easily discovered as a charlatan. I've been here before. They say you shouldn't look for miracles but say Jesus did miracles and Jesus said "you people will do greater works that he did". A perfect model for a snake oil sales man. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 12:41am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:No I don't mean deist ,Darwin was a pure atheist until he saw the prove of God's existence and retraced his step |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 12:42am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: I don’t understand this whatboutism. Why do I have to disprove the existence of your brother when I never question his existence? This is pure logic which shouldn’t be lost on you. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by bobowaja(m): 12:44am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:It's really hard. Years of religious indoctrinations from tender age into adulthood did the havoc. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:44am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Shadon007:Yeah I belive in the big bang theory. But the understanding of it or of evolution is not required before one can see that religion is made up. Yeah the study of the formation of living things is not yet known as at the last time I check from non-living things and this study is called abio-genesis. So many hypothesis have been formulated to describe it but non is widely accepted yet as at the last time I checked. And as I will also say as intellectual honest people we must not be too proud to leave an answer as "we don't know" rather than bring up made up hogwash that stalls the evolution of knowledge and scientific thinking. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:45am On Feb 05, 2020 |
bobowaja:Exactly man. It has done so many havoc. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by bobowaja(m): 12:45am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:Yeah. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 12:46am On Feb 05, 2020 |
bobowaja: Why do I have to prove you are not using an iPhone? Did I ever claim you are not using one? The claim is on ground already. JESUS IS REAL and He Exist, you are the one that claim he’s not real and he doesn’t exist so the burden of proof has shifted to you. You are the one that’s disproving which means you know something I don’t know, bring your proof that he doesn’t exist and I will bring mine that he exist. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Eagleboney(m): 12:47am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan:admittedly they could not prove the cause or give reasons, whether they said it figuratively or literally , if you put urself in their shoes you will do xame |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:48am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:I understand the angle you are coming from. It's the same way Pastor TB J will not question the purported miracles of Pastor Chris O. He knows it is fake but he won't question it so that his too won't be questioned. I understand your plight but continue. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 12:50am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: I really do not want to sound condescending because that’s how you are sounding right now. If you want to have a proper debate, I’m open to one and if not we can just end this here. Thank you. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:50am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:I am sorry this has just shown that you can't hold an intellectually honest argument. But it's okay. It is what indoctrination can do to someone. And it is the same way some terrorists think. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by bobowaja(m): 12:51am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:@bolded. If it is grounded as you claimed. No one would be disputing that today. The thing is nothing is absolute until it is put to test. You told me you have a ring on your middle finger. I told you to show me, you won't but would rather tell me to believe you do have it. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 12:51am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: OK. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:52am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride: I understand the angle you are coming from. It's the same way Pastor TB J will not question the purported miracles of Pastor Chris O. He knows it is fake but he won't question it so that his too won't be questioned. I understand your plight but continue. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 12:52am On Feb 05, 2020 |
bobowaja: Are you saying that Jesus isn’t real and He never existed? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 12:53am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: You can stop quoting me now. Thanks. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:54am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride: Ok let's do it this way. What makes you think Jesus is real has he been to your house before. Has he helped you raise a dead loved one before? |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 12:55am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:I am quoting you for others to partake in the discussions when they awake. I am not doing it to taunt you like you may suspect. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by bobowaja(m): 12:55am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:Answer me first. The burden of prove lies with you. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 1:02am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride: 1. Acts 1:8 says “And ye shall receive power when the Holy Spirit is come upon you”. When the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples, they did greater things that what Jesus did. For you to receive a miracle, it requires FAITH. Moreover, miracles that which expect differs and while some receive miracles and come to testify, others don’t.Your entire argument is based on the premise that the bible in itself is indeed an authority but I do not want to debate that inorder not to lose track of the subject. Assuming the bible is infact God's word and a record of events that actually happened, the question is can you point to any christian in our era that has done any "work" greater than Jesus with evidence? E.g. Jesus christ plugged back the ear of one of his disciples that were chopped off, turned water into wine, walked on water etc. These are objective proofs that prove supernaturality. 2. How do you know those that sincerely believe. There lots of believers that still exist these signs, they cast out demons, heal the sick and all sort of divine miracles. Likewise, there are also FAKE PROPHETS, who seeks to deceive in His name. He says beware of such. He said it clearly in Matthew 7:21-23 @bolded, lets say that the people you referred to here did not believe. Well, how about you? Have you experienced any of these supernatural events through you? Have you done any works atleast comparable with that of Jesus christ since you believe? The converse implication of the bold claim that says "these signs shall follow them that believe" is that if you do not experience them, you are an unbeliever. Are you a believer based on these? The problem it seems you are having is that you are looking for miracles instead of looking for God. Like we Christians use to say, Christianity is about your personal relationship with God. How God will manifest in A will differ from how he will manifest in B, it all depends on each relationship with him. What I am doing is beyond looking for miracles. I am only probing the validity of your bible based on what it claims. I am simply just putting it to test just the way I would if any scientist come up with a new discovery. Imagine a scientist coming up with an equation that can be used to build a HIV cure or vaccine, shouldn't the equation be tested? Be reasonable. Not everyone is looking to mock God. If your bible had said, those that believe in him will have green blood for instance, that is what I will ask you to show me. If indeed God is real, then he must honour everything he said in his book else he is either a fraud or his book was made up by people. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Shadon007: 1:04am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Same can be said for big bang theory, it can also be made up. If scentist can tell the age of the earth and how it formed as if they saw it. the age of man in the earth etc. They suppose to have an answer to how livingthings come about Mitocyan: |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by pes2019: 1:05am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Since you use scripture first: The first scripture here, man has been told what will come through acquiring several knowledge. It makes them questions God. Question : At what point did you become atheist, we're u born atheist? God is all knowing God, he knew that this will come up at some point in time so he said in Romans 1:22 & 25 KJV:Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 25: KJV:Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. . Base on research and proclaimed reality, why couldn't a developed country as China foretell the coming of coronavirus bro. Plz be foolish so to be wise my brother. 1 Corinthians 1:20-21 KJV:Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 KJV:For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. It already foolishness, having the wisdom of this world, because it makes us question the existence of God, it took years for man to conclusively tell the rotation of earth round the sun, but the big question is can man ever stop researching, it's capital no, because in God's creation you can never know it all, man die trying to find it out, the documented knowledge is passed on to his group to continue but yet the earth remains, and inconclusive the research becomes. Before we hear about 9 planets but now it's more than that, isn't that enough to acknowledge the existence of God. Note: With the knowledge of all scientist put together, they can't fathom the existence of earth nor God, bro there are so many abandon research work, pls take up one. Bible call them Psalm 14:1 NIV:The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” 1 corinthians 3:19-20 NIV:For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”; NIV:and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” Jeremiah 9:23-24 KJV:Thus saith the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24 KJV:But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord.[b]2 thimoty 3:7 KJV:Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Nobody: 1:07am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Shadon007: The big bang is an event that produced enormous amount of energy. Energy can then be converted to mass according to the famous E=mcExp02 proposed by Einstein. If mass can come from energy, then it is not out of place to say that living things indirectly emerged from the big bang |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by larride(m): 1:09am On Feb 05, 2020 |
Mitocyan: Your late brother never came to my house before, so he doesn’t exist. Beautiful. bobowaja: I said Jesus is REAL and he Exist. I’m not doing his existence. It is both of you that are denying his existence. So bring proof that he doesn’t exist. |
Re: Why Is There No Single Objective Proof That God Exists by Mitocyan: 1:15am On Feb 05, 2020 |
larride:At least you say that my late brother never came to your house therefore he doesn't exist. By extension, it follows that Jesus doesn't exist since he never came to your house. I suppose we can proceed from here? Oh and by the way. This is not supposed to appear like a fight but an intellectual discuss so forgive all my attempt at making it appear like one. I admonish you not to make it appear like one also. 1 Like |
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