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erico2k2:
The this just goes to show you just read my post as news
1 I never said there is no stress in Europe, I have worked and lived here in all of my adult life.
2 If you go back to what I said you will notice I said the stress we have in the Uk is the kind of stress people who live in Banana Estate in Lagos state have
Now if you have ben to Banana Estate B4 you will agree with me that the stress those people who live there pass through is way way different from the one people who Live in okoko,ladipo or Oshidi pass through. This was my point.
This was the simple thing I said B4 all these plenty write ups and insults.
SO what do you think is wrong or missing in my argument ?

You dismissed out hand the stress that one group goes through because of the severity of the other. It's as stupid as telling someone not to go to a hospital to repair a broken hand because someone else amputated theirs.

You said that what one group suffers isn't "stress" but rather just "societal ills". Whatever that means...

Anyone who cares to can review what you wrote.

I'm not wasting my time or you or this conversation anymore, I can see you have no scruples or integrity. I've seen it enough over the past few years with you guys. It's very tiresome.

erico2k2:
You think cos you boast that you was Born in one shyyyty Northern Europe country, that gives you the damn right to call Nigerians YOU PEOPLE, who give a damnnnn if you was born in Poland or one of those fake counties, Or you think you are better than the rest of us who by the way do very well abroad. Your country might have stress deal with your own stress however you see fit.Your school of thought does not in anyway reflect that of a typical Nigeria with the I can aptitude aint said nothing you jumping into kids,You sound biter and come across like o ne of them ones.
Them link you posted there shows you are incapable of having a meaningful conversation or rather lack comprehension, I am saying what you call stress i n the west is nowhere near what they call stress in Nigeria, obviously I now know you know nest to nothing about Nigeria as claimed in one of your post from 2012 unlees you was chatting BS.How is this hard to comprehend.

Respectfully, the only people I know who think that living in Europe is a bragging point are people who did not grow up there and that's because we have a deeper level of understanding as to how unpleasant it can be and the problems that persist.

I did not deny the existence of stress as you did with those in the West and that is the problem. You still cannot see or admit that you are wrong. I really pity people like you because there always comes a time when you are forced to deal with the truth.

Gerrard59:
Mmsen and erico2k2 made good points. Both say the same thing but from different perspectives. There's stress everywhere. It just differs based on living standards.

We aren't saying the same thing at all.

I am able to acknowledge that both scenarios are stressful.

He insists that one scenario isn't stressful because the other scenario (which is unknown to the those who endure the problems of the first group) is worse.

erico2k2:
I am not dictating rather I am stating facts..Those things you listed up there will not stress us here in the west as us not having electricity or not being paid at the end of the month and FYI the value of my property has increased a long with the tax, it is now valued more.
Also this 2500 to 45400 is that an Assumption or you stating something you know that I dont ?

I'm speaking what I know but because it doesn't correlate with you what you believe you dismiss it out hand.

This is the perverse level of arrogance that I've come to expect from you people.

Talking to people like you really is a waste of time and energy because you are as a body incapable of listening or empathy. Completely incapable to a frightening degree. It's the real reason why Nigeria is the way that it is.

Any trained professional psychiatrist will tell you that things I've mentioned will causes stress but you don't agree because of course Mr Naija always knows better.

Expand your reading and horizons.

Causes of Stress
https://www.webmd.com/balance/causes-of-stress


What Causes Stress?
https://psychcentral.com/stress/what-causes-stress

erico2k2:
PAY RISE, its not cos of stress.Very different,
Nigerians dont even get paid let alone of pay rise.
Bross I love Nigeria and my family live there, Im the only one in the Uk, sometimes I ask how do people survive in Nigeria .The stress level there is off the hook, I can support my family cos I live and earn in POUNDS.so do others. If you ea rn N500k today you are a poor man not even middle class, the middle class now is N1m above

When I said you are very typical of most Nigerians you got upset but this dismissive attitude of other people's problems is what I see with most of you guys. Even your own children you have contempt for because they didn't grow up in the dysfunction that you were forced to deal with.

Their problems are real problems.

If they don't get paid enough to pay their bills and are forced to borrow money how is that good? You think it's a pleasant feeling worrying about losing your home? That isn't stressful?

erico2k2:
There was no need for what you just said you now are trying to sound myopic and patronising for lack of choice word his does not in anyway add value to the conversation rather a deviation from us making sense. I would like to think I am having a discos with someone intelligent/I said, what they call stress in the west is equal to someone living the dream in Nigeria as the vast majority of the things that would have given us stress in the west have been taken care of by government. This was what I said then I went further to list the stress in Nigeria which you said absolute nothing about or bothered to read and respond to.
this is what I said an none of these stress exist in the west

1 when at the End of the month you do not get paid as a civil servant
2 the fear of retiring cos you pension is not guaranteed
3 you close from work and you get home there is no electricity
4 it rained hard your transformer blew up and PHCN is asking all landlord to contribute money
5 You kid is sick and you rush em to the hospital and they ask for money first b4 treatment
6 You friend got arrested with no proof and you have to pay to bail them
7 Youy go to the ATM to collect your own money and there is no fund or network
8 Your house is o n fire and there is nothing you can do and no one is going to pay you back
9yyou load your phone with N20K and the credit zap in 3 daysI hear you.
10 you buy credit and all of a sudden no network coverage
11 if you live in places with no private bore hole it means you and your kids have to walk far or buy water
I dont want to even add police brutality thats another topic

Yes, those are all stressful experiences but you seem to want to dictate what people have a right to feel stressed about. How is that not arrogance? I have not denied that those are stressful events, I have simply explained that there are causes of stress in the west too. There is nowhere where people are not feeling stressed right now.

You think if you see your monthly bills increase from $2500 to $4500 that you won't feel stressed?

You think that your property tax doubling in 5 years won't cause stress? Especially when your salary has not doubled?

There are people who have seen their wealth drop from $50m to $10m who feel stressed. It isn't for you to say that is not stress.

You think there's no police abuse in the west? You think the judicial system won't railroad you? There are no corrupt judges? Prosecutors?

erico2k2:
I dont think you understood what I wrote, stress is way different from problem, Do you think the UK government or the US or Canadian government cann afford to owes its civil service one month salary?

Why do you think doctor's in the UK have been striking consistently over the past few years?

Rail workers the same.

Teachers, same.

You think it's because their salaries cover their growing expenses?

erico2k2:
Bro I dont know how long you have lived abroad, but I have lived abroad for up to 25 years, So I know what I am talking about.
Those things you listed are No stress, check what I listed, those are stress.

Wow, that's a long time...

You must be the only person here who has lived abroad...

Surely nobody here has spent that much time outside of Nigeria, that's completely impossible...



The sad reality of this conversation is that it's the myopia that I see of Nigerians at home and abroad that makes the situation in Nigeria so much worse. It's almost as if Nigerians are incapable of looking at the entire chessboard but would rather look at everything from a pawn's eye view. The idea that their understanding of events is not everyone else's does not enter their heads.

You all cry about the likes of Tinubu, Obasanjo and the fool from Daura. The problem is, they are not anomalies. They are the majority of you. Most of you cannot see the forest for the trees.

erico2k2:
mmsen
All what you wrote up there are not stress, they are called societal ills.
Let me tell you what stress is so you know
1 when at the End of the month you do not get paid as a civil servant
2 the fear of retiring cos you pension is not guaranteed
3 you close from work and you get home there is no electricity
4 it rained hard your transformer blew up and PHCN is asking all landlord to contribute money
5 You kid is sick and you rush em to the hospital and they ask for money first b4 treatment
6 You friend got arrested with no proof and you have to pay to bail them
7 Youy go to the ATM to collect your own money and there is no fund or network
8 Your house is o n fire and there is nothing you can do and no one is going to pay you back
9yyou load your phone with N20K and the credit zap in 3 daysI hear you.
10 you buy credit and all of a sudden no network coverage
11 if you live in places with no private bore hole it means you and your kids have to walk far or buy water
I dont want to even add police brutality thats another topic
you want me to go on and name more stress?

"Societal ills" don't cause stress?

You think people in Europe like seeing their heating bills go up year after year? Have you ever sat in a cold parlor in February in Germany? I guarantee that you will not enjoy the experience one bit.

Every year, throughout Europe people die because of the cold. They are either homeless and cannot find a shelter to take them in or they die in their domiciles that they cannot afford to heat. The problem will only get worse as the cost of heating increases.

Wherever you go in this world there are problems. The issue I have with Africans is that rather than do the little things to make life easier for the majority an extreme form of stupidity and shortsightedness means that people would rather engage in the most foolish communal practices known to man and then cry about "government". The government is but a symptom of the greater issues.

erico2k2:
Just so we are on same page, I have two question for you
Have you lived in the west before?
We still talking about Stress right?

Yes.

Sadly, i know about it all too well.

Moving abroad does not eliminate stress, you are only swapping one set of problems for another. I don't think people who have never lived abroad understand this. You think you are moving to heaven meanwhile many of the people there are dreaming of moving to somewhere with better weather, better food and a lower cost of living. That's why Thailand is full of people from Australia, America, Canada and Britain.

erico2k2:
This is why I say some people are missing the point.,
In the UK and the US, rubbish food are cheap, good food expensive

That's the truth.

ednut1:
most Nigerians cant afford fast food on a daily basis. With minimum wage you can afford fast food here duhh. Bread, burger, chicken, turkey, donut, soft drink, juice etc are cheap here na

Fast food is poison.

Why are you saying it like it's something to aspire to?

erico2k2:
you recon ?name one stress that you know Abroad

Wherever there are people, there are problems. Only a child thinks otherwise.

Taxes, especially property taxes after you've "bought" your home.

Work place matters that turn into legal issues.

Domestic issues that become legal issues.

Racial/gender judicial bias is very common in the western legal system. As are crooked and incompetent lawyers.

Health issues, compounded by problems with health insurance provider or the competency and diligence of the healthcare provider. This is why so many people cheered when the health insurance executive in NYC was murdered.

Workplace stress which manifests itself as health issues. See above. There's a reason why most people in north America, Britain and Australia are overweight. Or why narcotics are so popular in those countries. Or why America is stuck in the midst of an opioid crisis.

Inflation.

Bad weather.

Crime.

erico2k2:
Stress abroad is like living in Banana Island in Lagos.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

None at all.

ednut1:
Food that will make you bigger is cheap abroad, the winter weather also makes your skin fresh, plus the environment is well planned with trees, sun light and architecture well planned. Vs a place like lagos where everything is jaga jaga .

Which food that will make you bigger is abroad and not in Nigeria?

What nonsense is this.

FactBoyz:
Yea, I am a full-blooded Trump supporter...

He's affirmed there are two genders. Male and Female.. if Kamala won, I am sure they will be 75 more added.....

He's proven that through strong leadership surrounded by Christian believers, you can flush out wokeism and wokeness from the world

And for illegal immigrants, I mean its a no-brainer, if you're illegal, pack your load and go

What is xtian about a scamming thrice divorcee?

Which part of Christ's example does he follow?

Where did Jesus Christ concern himself with gender roles or gender identity or medical issues besides trying to heal the sick?

Where do people like you pull your "xtian values" from that seem to be nothing but hatred, stupidity and bigotry?

People who have never lived abroad will not understand. You are wasting your breath.

Let them go there and suffer.

Eriokanmi:
Nice one. We're yet to know the reason behind all these strange illness and disorders in our society today.

Nowadays there's a rising number of:

Infertility
Autistic patients
Stroke
Diabetes
High blood pressure
Cancer
Imbeciles
Etc.

Those born in the 70s/80s would understand what I'm saying cos we rarely heard of such cases back then. We used to see it only in the movies and foreign news. People were being begged to go to hospitals because they've got no reason to do so. Pregnant women would go to midwives to have their babies and safely but nowadays, women would die during labour, despite the sophisticated nature of some health institutions today.
Could it be due to diets,lifestyle, etc? The debate floor is open. Have your say.

Those issues were not diagnosed because people didn't even think to go to the doctor, they went to one useless pastor instead who told them to pray.

jaksmillioniar:
Cococandy biglittlelois bukatyne sisisioge oda feminist u can see dat women do evil too but I are silent if his a man u begin to cry as a baby

It was probably one of them in the video.

Monday60655:
There is my dear. In as much as the company did not made it clear to their employees against the impending offenders. A case like this is not happening for the time.

It's pretty standard to have a morality clause in an employment contract. That would include no sexual activity on company property.

Furthermore, there is no expectation of privacy in a company vehicle where your location and activities are limited to that permitted by the employer.

Kobojunkie:
1. Bullsheet!

2. You admit you only have one side of he story, yet you have conveniently concluded that this one side is the one to take all of the blame. Even more bullsheet!

3. I am simply not in the mood for more of your bullsheet claims, is what. 🙄🙄🙄

Anything you don't like. Anything that is verifiable is bullshit. I have posted links and reputable sources to articles that you do not want to read.

Instead you keep repeating "bullsheet", like a child or parrot.

All you want to do is argue, for the sake of it.

We did not grow up in the same place, under the same circumstances and it shows. You do not have a relationship with the truth.

Madam, go read a book.

Kobojunkie:
1. We do not need to have grown up in the same know to understand or know of the realities of life and living on this planet. So, quit with the nonsense abeg! 🙄🙄

2. Nonsense talk! This woman sought a divorce after enduring a miserable marriage for many years. That women initiate divorce does not negate the fact that many of them may have endured miserable marriage situations before they eventually gave up and sought divorce as a way out. 🙄🙄

3. Bullsheet! 🙄🙄

Women choose the men that they ultimately marry. Where is the accountability for her bad decision making?

We only have one side of the story and it is very much a story at this point.

Just because you don't like the truth does not make it "bullsheet".

Law Forces Men to Support Children Who Aren't Theirs
https://www.foxnews.com/story/law-forces-men-to-support-children-who-arent-theirs

Men who later learn they are not the biological father of their child often find themselves without relief. If you later learn you are the victim of paternity fraud, it is not as easy as submitting the DNA test results to the court to eliminate a child support order. Depending on the jurisdiction, once the deadlines for contesting paternity have passed and the court has ordered terms for support, you may still be obligated to continue to support the child despite the fact that a DNA test has proven you are not the father. In fact, many states have declared that a DNA test alone is not sufficient to vacate a paternity order. Family courts are courts of equity and if the biological father is not produced, the courts may completely overlook the victimization and turn to the best interest of the child which is to continue to require you to support the child.
https://dadsdivorce.com/articles/what-you-need-to-know-about-paternity-fraud/

Kobojunkie:
1. Nonsense talk!

2. That is a bloody arse lie and you know it.

3. That most divorces are initiated by women does not change the fact that even in an industrialized world, the sort of behavior described also exists amongst men.

4. But we don't have society giving men the same suggestion that they give women when their husbands cheat on them, do you? I have yet to find a case where society or even religion has encouraged men to be understanding of and even go as far as to accept paternity fraud, have you? So we are talking here of two different things.

5. Your traditional institutions are equally religious in orientation; this isn't just about a particular religion, as your traditions all cover for disloyalty and disrespect of women in relationships. Also, last I checked, a man who cheats on his wife in marriage could easily have her absolved as a second wife, even though it is of disloyalty and a lack of respect for his previous wife.

I don't belong to nor hold allegiance to any traditional institution. I don't know anything about this second wife talk, that's for the birds.

Why is it nonsense to state that you and I did not grow up in the same place? Maybe, this is why you fail to understand that the relationship dynamic in the western world is entirely different to Africa? Show me an African man who will tolerate his wife physically assaulting him in public? Show me the institutions that will turn a blind eye to the verbal abuse that I have witnessed meted out by women to their husbands? The economic situation of women in the western world is not as dire as it is for African women and thus they are more able and willing to exercise (and abuse) their muscles.

Divorce being initiated by women speaks to the level or power and control that women have in their relationships. The outcomes of those proceedings are suggestive of a system that is punitive towards men.

The courts essentially tell men that they must care for children that are not theirs when they levy child support even after the truth has been revealed. That is much more important than anything else. The law and knowledge of the legal outcomes as well as material conditions and potential benefits are what shape human behavior. Women realize that they can maltreat their husbands, lie about abuse at their hands of their husbands, lie about the paternity of their children and they will suffer zero ramifications. Worse still, they will be rewarded with the family house, a portion of the man's income and even his pension. Why men still get married in the western world is beyond me.

Kobojunkie:
Like I mentioned earlier, it is usually the men demanding loyalty and respect from such women, but never really bothering to reciprocate the gesture. Why else do you think we now have this idea that men ought to be able to cheat— be disloyal and disrespectful— in marriage and get away with it in places like Nigeria?

2. 2-way-street indeed when we have whole societies, even religions, insisting that women should be more understanding of their husbands' disloyalty and disrespect, right? Can we please stop saying things we truly don't believe?

You can only speak for yourself. I did not grow up where you did and this woman is not in Nigeria so your arguments are moot.

In the industrialized world, where this woman resides, the issues that you list are not the problem. Most divorces are initiated by women and marriage is largely pushed by women by surreptitious means. Women are quick to leave a marriage because they know that the court will favor them, no matter what they did.

The misdeeds that you complain about are also committed by women, in Nigeria and without. There's a serious problem with paternity fraud that has been left to fester, globally. Even worse, in the western world there are zero sanctions against such and a woman who obtains child support by way of dishonest is not held to task by the judicial system. Which other kind of fraud do you know is ignored in such a manner?

Those religions that you speak of, xtianity in particular, are propped up by women's attendance and women's donations. If there's a problem with the nonsense that they peddle maybe speak to the women and ask why they support anti-female dogma?

DesChyko:
Refineries are shutting down due to declining oil demand and high operating costs. The world is moving on to cleaner, alternative energy sources

Welcome to Nigeria where recently, there is the mention of banning solar panels. **sighs**

Ban importation which only makes sense if there is domestic manufacturing capacity (which there is not).

Typical clueless government action.

franchasng:
Yeye Tradeau, if he was still Canadian Prime Minister, he will never step his cocaine filled legs in Nigeria. Now that he is an ordinary oyimbo, he remembered Nigeria exist, crack addict that almost ruined struggling Canada

The man was/is a puppet. He doesn't have the intellect nor backbone to ruin anything. He just reads what is put in front of him.

What does a xtian thanksgiving service have to do with the Yoruba traditional rites?

What did I miss?

Kobojunkie:
Aren't the men who go after these gals struggling with low self-esteem, demanding loyalty, respect, and submission from them, not equally in it for their outsized egos? Or do you pretend that such predatory behavior is ok so long as it is the woman on the receiving end for as long as she allows?

Loyalty and respect should be in any relationship otherwise what is the point?

It's a two way street, the problem with many of these people is that they want it to be a one way street.

franchasng:
That means most women that married broke or financially struggling husband's accepted their husbands because they knew they were not beautiful enough to attract their dream man



Meaning if your wife was as pretty as she wished, she wouldn't have ever looked your face talk more of accepting to marry you, isorai

That is precisely what it is for most of them.

Only a minority marry out of genuine love for anything other than themselves and their outsized egos.

Monday60655:
Every extra marital or premarital sex is sin and must not go unpunished.
But for breach of personal privacy, the driver should sue the company.

There is no breach of privacy if he committed the act while in a company vehicle or premises.

Is there an expectation of privacy in a company vehicle?

I hope no serious lawyer suggested there was a case to be had?

Moreze:
Oga I don't know who you are,u really need to brace up and do any job u see there. Menial jobs do pay there so brace up

They don't pay enough to live. If they paid would the British people need to import desperately clueless people when they could do it themselves?