Igbosmoker:
There's nothing to be prideful about ogboni.

Just like a Yoruba man introduced cultism to nigeria so also ogboni

ogboni was an arm of government in the old Yoruba kingdom. They are free born men with enormous power to check the power in the old oyo. We are not talking about the fake Ogboni. How did yoruba introduce cultism to Nigeria.

gregyboy:



Oyo has a culture of horse i correct this earlier with an article that horse was introduced to oyo by hausas who acted as thier calvary during war
And benin deafted them even with thier hausa hired calvary not just them other tribes that benin encountered that made use of calvaries


Oga you dump fool

Horse is hisan in Arabic and the pronunciation is very different from the word esin


Horse could have come from the arabs but we the word esin was introduced to the yorubas by benins as long as we controlled ondo, ekiti, eko, ijesha

Our influence cannot be undermined amongst the yorubas our food Egusi and pounded is what eastern yorubas calls thier delicacy unlike the other yoruba that was influenced by oyo that regards amala and ewedu as it delicacy

If yorubas language is a mixture of both western and Eastern yorubas then our influence cant be undermined among Yorubas


I dont get it because you guys are now a majour tribe now you all want to rewrite our influence soon the red coral beads belonging to the benins and worn by yorubas and igbos would soon be debated by your generation as indigenous

dumbass horse was not introduce to the Yoruba by Hausa rather nupe dumbass. Hausa were Slaves only in the old oyo. The word horse was gotten from Arabic just like wahala alubusa and esin. If anything if esin is Benin word for horse that means u only borrow the Yoruba pronunciation of it. Cuz Benin doesn’t have a horse culture. Egusi and iyan is not a Benin food just cuz western Yoruba like amala doesn’t mean shit. Benin republic Yoruba delicacy is neither amala either but oka. I know it’s hard for u to understand but when u are a huge ethnic group not just couple million there will be difference in cuisine. Itsekiri delicacy is not iyan and egusi why cuz I thought iyan was ur influence. U did not control ondo or ekiti especially ijesha and also ijesha and co do not have a horse culture. I hope u know who ogedengbe is. Yoruba introduce art to u and also coral beed is indigenous to Yoruba so u also didn’t introduce shit. There is more Yoruba influences on Benin than the other way around.

babtoundey:

You're are a clown.
Under the shadow of what...? Is that the reason why you try to popularise your fabrications by targeting some notable traditional institutions, religion, tradition, name and culture of Yorubas ancestry. They are under your shadow but you don't feel fulfilled until you amuse yourself with "Ogboni is not Yoruba", "Oduduwa is Edo", Oranmiyan never lived" "The Oba contrived with the Yorubas to sell us cheap". How many Yorubas have you seen jumping around Nairaland like a restive ghost creating threads on Edo subjects? If your history is still alive, if it is not buried under the shadow of another culture do you have to exert this energy to tell your history in this ridiculous way?
Everything you had are no longer identifiable with you because they were stolen from you. What were you doing when other were stealing from you and thriving with the sytem you claim you originated?

Ogboni belongs to you - you have no evidence to prove it does
You own the word "Oba" - Yet the word has no meaning in your lexicon (Or can I say my pen is an Oba too because it is red and it shines?)
Oba sold you cheap - nothing to prove it than undue and unfounded sentiments

no mind that dumbass. History will never remember Yoruba coming from the forgotten tribe called Benin. Yoruba is known worldwide but Benin are getting lost and lost that people don’t know shit about them. When we are talking about giant Yoruba is one. Benin are unknown. Their only joy is getting reply’s from Yoruba on nairaland to feel relevant.

davidnazee:


Listen a true king have a full unabridged title. In the case of Oba of Benin it is “Omo N’Oba N’Edo”.. for example the Queen of England full title is “Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith”..
u wouldn’t understand because u guys don’t have the real concept of sovereign kings.

Do your kings choose a name to reign in upon ascending the throne?

shut up there with ur Benin sense. Her royal majesty “the queen” which signifies rule how does that correlate with edo bullshit that means “the child that shines for edo” how can a king be called a child in the first place.

gregyboy:



Stupid talk,


I won't derail this thread for this argument


You seem not to know the Yoruba history but you're ready to argue the ownership of oba


Tribal bigot

name the 30 kings it’s a simple question I know the Yoruba history more than u. If u know the 30 kings list them here. No long story. It only exist in ur imagination.

gregyboy:
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And the Europeans drew the oba on horse

And they are so many sculpture depicting horses in benin artwork

shut up esin is not a Benin word. Stop claiming what does not belong to u. It’s not even African so stop being a thief. Benin doesn’t have a horse culture. Just cuz ur king was drawn on a horse doesn’t mean shit. Oyo has an horse culture. Ijebu has an horse culture. Benin doesn’t.

gregyboy:



I guess the whole of ondo state has more than 30 kings lets not include ekiti yet

dumbass. Why are u this dumb gregboy. So that’s ur source some random person came online and made a claim that all ondo was under Benin and we are supposed to agree with no fact to back it up. And even what u showed says under not that the monarch was derived from there u dumb illiterate. Was there something called ondo state In the past. Is it the olugbo or the deji or osemawe. List the name of the king in ondo that came from Benin like u claim and all the 30 in Yoruba land. Every king in modern ondo state except the ijaw King trace their ancestry to ife except one. So mention the king that came from Benin dumbass. Even the ijaw kings has nothin to do with Benin.

gregyboy:


U guys adopted it fron benin



We have more than 30kings in Yoruba land who would have introduced the title to yorubas
Not some imaginary oromiyan who never visited benin but spent his life waring nupes

name the 30 kings cuz I only know of one.

gregyboy:



Same here for horse in benin


Esin is horse in benin probably you guys borrowed it from us two

dumb ass can u read at all. Didn’t u see where I stated in the comment that it was borrowed from the Hausa who borrowed it from Arabic. Everything is borrowed from Benin. What a dunce u are. Benin that doesn’t even have a horse culture.

Ghostwon65:

Actually no such thing happened "touché" is still not an English word and was never borrowed by the English nor does it use English alphabet.

dumbass touché is in the English dictionary.

Ghostwon65:
Lessons for free to an uneducated youth naming his illiterate self "moneywomen".
Ironic name indeed.

I don't think you understand you are falling yourself a prostitute.

ode u think am TA011 that u can start calling a ho or slut after she spank and educated ur dumb skull. Am a guy and money women means money then women. Only u kindergarten math teacher have been schooled here again.

Ghostwon65:


Wow, your logics are really amazing. Someone else said something else, therefor what I am saying is "dead on arrival".
I didn't realize you were a toddler.
I don't teach toddlers.
You need a specialized teacher to educate you.
I have wasted enough time for today.

e pain am. If omo n’oba edo means emperor of Benin according to u. What of the omo (child) and also nedo means. In ur own edo lexicon n’oba means shining. How in those 3 words was the emperor of Benin derived. Kindergarten math teacher.

Ghostwon65:


Obviously you lack maturity.
You are not smart enough to understand the topic which you are discussing.

Let me make it short for you:

Without ancient written language, there is no such thing as etymology.

dumbass. U are the one that lacks sense. Humans have a functioning brain and they are not ostrich who put their head in the ground and assume no one is around. Just cuz something was not written down doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Esin a Yoruba word for horse without a written word it’s etymology was clear that it was not Yoruba but borrowed from Hausa who borrowed from Arabs. Once more here is the meaning of etymology. Get sense by force. Etymology has nothing to do with written words.

Ghostwon65:


Call your mother to come and change your diapers.

I repeat:

ur brothers already accepted that oba means shining. And that omo n’oba nedo means child that shines for edo. Ur fake theory about emperor is dead on arrival. And I thought etymology doesn’t apply to Africans why is ur bro gregboy saying something about etymology below.

Ghostwon65:

As you may have noticed from the definition of etymology which you quoted, meaning of words change over time.
If those words were not written down in the "far past", it would be impossible to track down the evolution of their meanings.
This is not magics, it is logics.
A word from a foreign language could enter your language today.
Indeed, the words "friend" and "foe" were not part of English until the British borrowed them from the vikings.
Languages are not statical, they éveil e over time.
And that evolution is what etymology studies according to the definition which you quoted.
You just couldn't understand what you were quoting.

dumbass the British also borrowed word like touché from French does that mean just cuz English borrowed it doesn’t have any etymology from the French they borrowed it from what a dumbass u are. Alubasa enter Yoruba language centuries ago from Hausa who got it from Arabic but we still knew it wasn’t ours and that’s without writing it down. It’s u who doesn’t understand how etymology works.

Ghostwon65:

As you may have noticed from the definition of etymology which you quoted, meaning of words change over time.
If those words were not written down in the "far past", it would be impossible to track down the evolution of their meanings.
This is not magics, it is logics.

dumbass stop saying crap just cuz a word is not written down doesn’t mean it disappears dumbas. U claim etymology is about written words. Just cuz people didn’t write their name down in the past doesn’t mean they don’t know the meaning of their name. Get that into ur skull kindergarten math school teacher.

Ghostwon65:

How do you get the origin of a word and the way it's meaning has changed throught time without it belonging to ancient books ?
Are you applying voodoo logics here ?

ode just cuz a word is not written it means it doesn’t exist nor it doesn’t have meaning . See mumu logic for here. Etymology has nothing to do with language dumbass. What a fool chai. See who I have been wasting my time going back and forth with

Ghostwon65:

As I have told you 4 times already, it is the emperor of Benin empire.
You are very slow.
You could easily just reread the words, but, no I have to write them again and again...

shut up fool. U think am dumb like u. What does omo noba nedo means cuz it doesn’t mean any emperor. Omo child n’oba shining edo village. How does that mean emperor. Ole liar. Is the Benin sense.

Ghostwon65:

Wow, I have never said that, don't put somebody else's words into my mouth.

When was the first year the word Oba was attached to a Yoruba chief.

no chief use oba rather king. What does oba mean regarding to ur own chief. I hear he is the child that shines for edo.

Ghostwon65:

Wow, I have never said that, don't put somebody else's words into my mouth.

When was the first year the word Oba was attached to a Yoruba chief.

what does omo noba nedo means according to u then

Ghostwon65:

Actually, there is no such thing as west African etymology given that our ancestors didn't have an alphabet nor a written language.
So if that is the basis of your talk, then you have been debunked.
I am a high school maths teacher, I know pedagogy and I will teach you. You will finally be able to understand.

ode math teacher wey no get sense chai. So Africans don’t know the meaning of their words until it was written down by Europeans. Who told u etymology has to do with writing things down. Do u even know the meaning of etymology. Let me help u.

Ghostwon65:

And how exactly did you establish that ?

I will be making short sentences to you and focusing on some of your sentences because you are slow and I need to act as your teacher. Not as a person debating you. If not you will never understand.

u are the one who is slow according to u and ur brothers there is nothing called oba in Benin rather it’s omo noba nedo. Which means the child that shines for edo. And they claimed n’oba means shining and oba is only a short for the whole stuff which u also claimed. Do u want me to bring a screenshot of their claim including urs. Oba as a single word have no meaning.

Ghostwon65:


I am guessing you are a teenager, you really have difficulties comprehending.
So let me apply pedagogy:

You claim the word Oba belongs to Yoruba, can you show proof ?

it’s not a claim but a fact. The etymology of oba in Yoruba is very clear with both ba and O. I know TA011 have schooled u repeatedly on that. Now apart from oba there is a certain Yoruba title also called otunba google the meaning. Every market around the king palace in Yoruba land is called oja oba. Those who are buried with the king in the past in oyo are called “abobaku.” When a king ascend the throne it said o ti joba. U need anymore proof.

Ghostwon65:


Who started this thread ? I have no idea. I reject Ogboni and they are a Yoruba thing which tried to infiltrate Benin in the colonial era.
The people who keep bastardizing history are your brothers. And you know it.

look below who started this thread before u keep crying. Na ur edo brother gregboy accusing Yoruba of stealing their identity. Na ur people dey make shit up stop lying.

Ghostwon65:

Let me help your comprehension: my name is Efosa.
It comes from Efe n'Osa, God's wealth.
And in short people call me Efe from 3 words to one word, wow !)
Are you starting to understand shortening of words ?

Also it seems I have to remind you that Latin alphabet is not from our region, it was imported into our region by Europeans in the colonial era. You can very much consider Omo n'Oba n'Edo as a single word just like you can consider it to be six words.

I hope logics will sink into your empty skull this time.

i get ur logic or u think I don’t know how Africa names work regarding to shorting it. I just know u are trying to be Clever by half. Take Yoruba name adenike which means crown is cherished. Nike for short. If someone ask meaning of Nike and I say it’s cherished they will ask what is cherished. Then u say ade logic. But the name can’t be shortened to Ike which has no single meaning in Yoruba. for example Ur efe as a short name has a meaning which means wealth. Efe can stand as a single or short name cuz it has a meaning associated to it. like wise it has been established there is nothing called oba in ur language it has no meaning. even if u want to short the whole omo noba nedo the only short is noba. Which means shining. Nothing called oba so how can it stand alone. My guy stop lying here.

Ghostwon65:

When did I say that ? Show me the quote.
I repeat, it is the same spoken word spelled in two different manners.

same point. u are trying to say igbinogba can also be igbi n’oba and equating that to omon’oba n’edo. If anything it should be omonobanedo not just oba. Stop trying to be too clever.

Ghostwon65:
What exactly does Benin have to do with this discussion ?
You Yoruba really like to mention Benin in every situation.

The emperor of Benin empire is titled:
OMO N'OBA N'EDO. Oba in short.

In the precolonial era, Yoruba chiefs didn't refer to themselves as "Oba". Rather they referred to themselves as ooni, alafin...
In the colonial era Yoruba chiefs started naming themselves in the following manner: "ooni of ife, sir adeyemi", "alafin of oyo, sir adetoye"...
Notice the introduction of two non Yoruba words: "of" and "sir".
The "sir" is a word from English nobility which the yorubas borrowed from the British in order to add some prestige to their titles.

However, later in the colonial era, the Yoruba dropped the word "sir" and replaced it with the word "Oba", yet an other non Yoruba word.

The word Oba belongs to Benin empire, it is how Benin empire calls it's emperor as witnessed by European visitors in the middle ages.

Basically, Yoruba copy other tribes a lot:
2) emir from Fulani
3) "sir" from the British
1) Oba from Benin

Even some Benin traditional swords were copied by the Yoruba.

You guys like to imitate other people's cultures, face this fact and live on.

ode Yoruba king are still called ooni aalafin and so many more. But the word oba is yoruba for king. 2nd of all yoruba didn’t copy emir. The only place with emir in Yoruba land is ilorin and the ruler is Fulani and also emir is not Fulani. The word oba doesn’t exist in Yoruba language so how can yoruba something that has a meaning in Yoruba language. The British also called ife king the ooni of ife. Doesn’t mean that his their real title. Oba is yoruba and has no meaning in edo and it has Been proving over and over again here despite u brothers having a thick skull.

Ghostwon65:


You seem hell bent on ignoring logics.
Once again, Oba is short for Omo n'Oba n'Edo !

there is no logic in that stop lying. U said igbinoba is short for igbi n’oba but just one word oba is short for omo n’oba n’edo. It’s like me saying A is short for adeleye. Once again this just proves that oba as a single word still doesn’t mean nothing in ur language.

gregyboy:



So tge author who weote was mad abi he just decided to favour benin


The author was actually discussing yoruba history ans not benin


The quoted does not prove anything or disprove the fact that yorubas might have adopted to thier
Political system

who was the author. When did yoruba adopt ogboni all over yoruba land into their system from said Benin. What year. If every author is to be believed why the Bleep are u arguing regarding eghraveba books or why the Bleep do u argue when i bring out British account which u always claim favor Yoruba. If the author believes ogboni was copied fine. What was his reason. What year was it copied. How was it copied. Ogboni is yoruba what u have in Benin is fake ogboni. Ogboni that cannot remove a king is that one ogboni.

gregyboy:




Oga every word has it etymology even the word king has it etymology and the etymology does not represent the meaning of the word it is simply it is simply an historical derivation of thee word and not necessarily the meaning or the importance of the word


Oba etymology is shinning

But literally means king

Ogie etymology means ʼsent'
Literally meaning, Duke, royalty


Enogie, ovie, enochie all means "someone sent' to rule on behalf and they are mostly dukes

The oba of lagos is an enogie and not oba he will be addressed as enogie o ke ekomeaning the duke of lagos


So oba means king in benin its etymology means shinning


So stop saying it doesn't mean king in benin because your eyes is not blind to see it is referred to a king in benin


If you want to argue further provide my evidence oromiyan came to benin with archeological or documented evidence

first of all there is nothing called oba it’s n’oba which means shining. And true every word has their own etymology but ur word was omo n’oba n’edo not oba cuz the word oba literally has no meaning in ur language it’s a fact so that’s out. And stop lying ur king in the past are called ogiso sky king the itsekiri king are called ogiamen while uhrobo word for king is Ovie.. oba of Lagos is a king not duke. All oba from ologun kutere doesn’t trace their ancestors to Benin except maternally.

[quote author=Ghostwon65





Why is it so hard for you Yoruba to just admit you borrowed the title of the emperor of Benin ?
It seems you are not aware that empire is an other word for Kingdom, it was invented by cezar when he wanted to be king without calling himself king and without calling Rome Kingdom. So he came up with emperor and empire was derived from that.
An empire is viewed vas a powerful and large Kingdom, just like Benin which conquered other kingdoms.[/quote] if we borrowed anything we will admit we borrow it. We did not borrow oba from u it’s most likely the other way around. Oba doesn’t mean emperor in Benin stop lying. We are not in Europe. Before Benin conquered other kingdom the title was still omo n’oba n’edo. The child that shines for edo. How does that mean emperor. Better get ur head right.

Ghostwon65:

Who gives a crap about ogboni ?

ask gregboy he claimed Yoruba also borrowed ogboni from Benin cuz apparently Yoruba borrow everything from Benin.