davidnazee:


never said the word has the same origin.. my question is why wasn't the Yoruba kings using the Oba title till in the 20th century.. If we should agree you have the word in your language but it wasn;t used as a title till long after the Benin kings were using it..

Can you answer this question.. Benin, Oyo and Ife which one rose to be the greatest and most powerful kingdoms?

You guys are fcukn retards I swear. Ability to comprehend is like the distance from Earth to the moon. the way you guys argue sef, can make someone faint. moneywomen, tao11 get time aswear. Trying to explain to these pipu is like explaining calculus to a 2 years old. Their brain never form reach.

Moneywomen17:
lol this edo boys self. Always jumping from one post to another. Anybody with even half sense will know that the word oba is yoruba with all the evidence like the otunba, oja oba, abobaku and co. Even Joba when a new king is installed. It’s clear as Bleep.

Even the name given to warlords of every Yoruba town also reflects "oba".
Balogun - Obalojuogun (He who presides in the war front).


Obaseki - shining Seki. I can't laugh enough

hayoholla:



You guys are fcukn retards I swear. Ability to comprehend is like the distance from Earth to the moon. the way you guys argue sef, can make someone faint. moneywomen, tao11 get time aswear. Trying to explain to these pipu is like explaining calculus to a 2 years old. Their brain never form reach.

It’s u guys that are actually dumb arguing people’s history with them.

davidnazee:


That is what I'm saying..
He was called Alafin Sango and not Oba Sango..
you guys should just admit.. the styling of Oba as a title was adopted from Benin.. The word Oba may be as old as your language just likewise as in Edo.. but as a title it is new to you.

Lol. Despite their attack like a pack of wolves insult is all they can hurl at you.

Suddenly every traditional ruler is Oba. Why would they leave Oba title to Benin until about 1950s before they now suddenly realised "oh it belongs to us, let's begin using it?"

Their sniggering at you here is a sign of frustration. Not what they expected.

SW rulers began using Oba title simply because they wanted to bask in the glory similar to Oba of Benin, the owner of the title. Out of respect of tradition, virtually no traditional ruler in the South South uses that title as it became Synonymous with Emperor.

In SW they are creating kings everyday to use Oba title. Like one governor in Oyo. I guess they are friends with Ganduje churning out emirs like a cheap Chinese factory.

The idea that each SW Oba has own title is a fact. And that's simply all they had. They should better revert to their usual Ooni, Alaafin, Olugbo, Owa Bokun, Awujale, Deji, Osemawe, Olubadan and leave Oba title to the originator.

Our close relatives like Eleko as son of the real imperial Oba can use Oba title.

Quite fun to see how much headache you are giving our sophisticated SW people. They must have exhausted their Profanity Lexicon by now.

A taya O!

I think they know what they are up to. They got away with it for a while because nobody believe anyone would take them seriously. Indeed, it was considered a waste of time.

They find it hard to back out, so they keep building lies upon lies. Even the most ardent lier among them, knows their deceit and (psyeudo intellectual) dishonesty has failed.

hayoholla:



You guys are fcukn retards I swear. Ability to comprehend is like the distance from Earth to the moon. the way you guys argue sef, can make someone faint. moneywomen, tao11 get time aswear. Trying to explain to these pipu is like explaining calculus to a 2 years old. Their brain never form reach.

AreaFada2:

Lol. Despite their attack like a pack of wolves insult is all they can hurl at you.

Suddenly every traditional ruler is Oba. Why would they leave Oba title to Benin until about 1950s before they now suddenly realised "oh it belongs to us, let's begin using it?"

Their sniggering at you here is a sign of frustration. Not what they expected.

SW rulers began using Oba title simply because they wanted to bask in the glory similar to Oba of Benin, the owner of the title. Out of respect of tradition, virtually no traditional ruler in the South South uses that title as it became Synonymous with Emperor.

In SW they are creating kings everyday to use Oba title. Like one governor in Oyo. I guess they are friends with Ganduje churning out emirs like a cheap Chinese factory.

The idea that each SW Oba has own title is a fact. And that's simply all they had. They should better revert to their usual Ooni, Alaafin, Olugbo, Owa Bokun, Awujale, Deji, Osemawe, Olubadan and leave Oba title to the originator.

Our close relatives like Eleko as son of the real imperial Oba can use Oba title.

Quite fun to see how much headache you are giving our sophisticated SW people. They must have exhausted their Profanity Lexicon by now.

Even with all the explanation and analysis, your brain still no ft carry simple explanation. . Walai na to wa for your mata o.

AreaFada2:

Lol. Despite their attack like a pack of wolves insult is all they can hurl at you.

Suddenly every traditional ruler is Oba. Why would they leave Oba title to Benin until about 1950s before they now suddenly realised "oh it belongs to us, let's begin using it?"

Their sniggering at you here is a sign of frustration. Not what they expected.

SW rulers began using Oba title simply because they wanted to bask in the glory similar to Oba of Benin, the owner of the title. Out of respect of tradition, virtually no traditional ruler in the South South uses that title as it became Synonymous with Emperor.

In SW they are creating kings everyday to use Oba title. Like one governor in Oyo. I guess they are friends with Ganduje churning out emirs like a cheap Chinese factory.

The idea that each SW Oba has own title is a fact. And that's simply all they had. They should better revert to their usual Ooni, Alaafin, Olugbo, Owa Bokun, Awujale, Deji, Osemawe, Olubadan and leave Oba title to the originator.

Our close relatives like Eleko as son of the real imperial Oba can use Oba title.

Quite fun to see how much headache you are giving our sophisticated SW people. They must have exhausted their Profanity Lexicon by now.

The oba of benin should sew them for the use of the title oba


Am off

All this dumb Benin boys. They have admitted that oba doesn’t mean shit in their language. What’s they actually have is something called n’oba which means shining.and in full it’s omo n’oba n’edo which means the one who shines for edo. So it’s obvious n’oba and oba are not the same thing. So why are Benin using oba when it doesn’t mean shit in their language is a million dollar question Benin cannot answer. Oba means king in Yoruba language. Otunba a very well known Yoruba title for centuries means king right hand man. Every market around the king palace is always called oja oba all over every Yoruba land. In oyo past tradition those that are buried with the king are called abobaku, and so many more. But according to thick skulked Benin a word that has meaning in Yoruba and other words with related meaning was borrowed from edo that the word has no meaning to them. It’s ever obvious who is lying here.

babtoundey:


Even the name given to warlords of every Yoruba town also reflects "oba".
Balogun - Obalojuogun (He who presides in the war front).


Obaseki - shining Seki. I can't laugh enough

their king is “shining ewuare 2”

...

What exactly does Benin have to do with this discussion ?
You Yoruba really like to mention Benin in every situation.

The emperor of Benin empire is titled:
OMO N'OBA N'EDO. Oba in short.

In the precolonial era, Yoruba chiefs didn't refer to themselves as "Oba". Rather they referred to themselves as ooni, alafin...
In the colonial era Yoruba chiefs started naming themselves in the following manner: "ooni of ife, sir adeyemi", "alafin of oyo, sir adetoye"...
Notice the introduction of two non Yoruba words: "of" and "sir".
The "sir" is a word from English nobility which the yorubas borrowed from the British in order to add some prestige to their titles.

However, later in the colonial era, the Yoruba dropped the word "sir" and replaced it with the word "Oba", yet an other non Yoruba word.

The word Oba belongs to Benin empire, it is how Benin empire calls it's emperor as witnessed by European visitors in the middle ages.

Basically, Yoruba copy other tribes a lot:
2) emir from Fulani
3) "sir" from the British
1) Oba from Benin

Even some Benin traditional swords were copied by the Yoruba.

You guys like to imitate other people's cultures, face this fact and live on.

Ghostwon65:
What exactly does Benin have to do with this discussion ?
You Yoruba really like to mention Benin in every situation.

The emperor if Benin empire is titled:
OMO N'OBA N'EDO. Oba in short.

In the precolonial era, Yoruba chiefs didn't refer to themselves as "Oba". Rather they referred to themselves as ooni, alafin...
In the colonial era Yoruba chiefs started naming themselves in the following manner: "ooni of ife, sir adeyemi", "alafin of oyo, sir adetoye"...
Notice the introduction of two non Yoruba words: "of" and "sir".
The "sir" is a word from English nobility which the yorubas borrowed from the British in order to add some prestige to their titles.

However, later in the colonial era, the Yoruba dropped the word "sir" and replaced it with the word "Oba", yet an other non Yoruba word.

The word Oba belongs to Benin empire, it is how Benin empire calls it's emperor as witnessed by European visitors in the middle ages.

Basically, Yoruba copy other tribes a lot:
2) emir from Fulani
3) "sir" from the British
1) Oba from Benin

Even some Benin traditional swords were copied by the Yoruba.

You guys like to imitate other people's cultures, face this fact and live on.

Nice to have you here


I think the oba should sue the yorubas for using the title and claiming it, traditions must be maintained only the oba should bear the title

gregyboy:



Nice to have you here


I think the oba should sue the yorubas for using the title and claiming it, traditions must be maintained only the oba should bear the title

The Fulani copied the ottomans by using titles such as sultan and emir. But at least they don't deny it.
But the Yoruba just copy so many tribes and don't even pay credit, they turn around and claim those tribes copied them, not too long ago the ooni was trying to claim Igbo.
He even claimed internet was derived from IFA.
Benin traditional swords were copied by ife,
The more than 7000 Benin arts stolen by Britain in the Oba's palace are being claimed by ife,
The list goes on...
Why do these yoruba people lie so much ?

Ghostwon65:

The Fulani copied the ottomans by using titles such as sultan and emir. But at least they don't deny it.
But the Yoruba just copy do many tribes and don't even pay credit, they turn around and claim those tribes copied them, not too long ago the ooni was trying to claim Igbo.
He even claimed internet was derived from IFA.
The list goes on...
Why do these people lie so much ?

You can’t blame them much for copying the Oba title. It was obvious that the Oba of Benin and the Benin monarchy was recognized by the Europeans and colonial masters as the most powerful and revered monarch and even having one of the largest ship named after Oba Ovonramwen in recognition of his greatness.
So it makes sense to copy that title which has gained so much recognition and respect.

davidnazee:


You can’t blame them much for copying the Oba title. It was obvious that the Oba of Benin and the Benin monarchy was recognized by the Europeans and colonial masters as the most powerful and revered monarch and even having one of the largest ship named after Oba Ovonramwen in recognition of his greatness.
So it makes sense to copy that title which has gained so much recognition and respect.

I bet you in 20 years time or before then, Yoruba will be claiming Oba Ovonramwen was an ooni of ife who conquered Benin and chose to stay in Benin city as a war camp in order to fight the British.
How I wish people could just love their genuin history and stop trying to rewrite it (wink to the Yoruba). Look at Israel, it is a world power today and it never tried to suppress it's history. Jews descend from slaves who worked as slaves in Egypt ! And they say it proudly !
And look how far they have gone in life.
But here the Yoruba have no self-esteem due to their slave past (many of their ancestors were slaves in Brazil who were later dumped on our shores)

Ghostwon65:

I bet you in 20 years time or before then, Yoruba will be claiming Oba Ovonramwen was an ooni of ife who conquered Benin and chose to stay in Benin city as a war camp in order to fight the British.
How I wish people could just love their genuin history band stop trying to rewrite it (wink to the Yoruba). Look at Israel, it is a world power today and it never tried to suppress it's history. Jews descend from slaves who worked as slaves in Egypt ! And they say it proudly !
And look how far they have gone in life.
But here the Yoruba have no self-esteem due to their slave past (many of their ancestors were slaves in Brazil who were later dumped on our shores)

A large percentage of people claiming to be Yorubas are not really Yorubas. They are returned slaves dumped in Lagos not knowing where they are from or how to get back settled in Lagos and were assimilated into the tribe.

Ghostwon65:
What exactly does Benin have to do with this discussion ?
You Yoruba really like to mention Benin in every situation.

The emperor of Benin empire is titled:
OMO N'OBA N'EDO. Oba in short.

In the precolonial era, Yoruba chiefs didn't refer to themselves as "Oba". Rather they referred to themselves as ooni, alafin...
In the colonial era Yoruba chiefs started naming themselves in the following manner: "ooni of ife, sir adeyemi", "alafin of oyo, sir adetoye"...
Notice the introduction of two non Yoruba words: "of" and "sir".
The "sir" is a word from English nobility which the yorubas borrowed from the British in order to add some prestige to their titles.

However, later in the colonial era, the Yoruba dropped the word "sir" and replaced it with the word "Oba", yet an other non Yoruba word.

The word Oba belongs to Benin empire, it is how Benin empire calls it's emperor as witnessed by European visitors in the middle ages.

Basically, Yoruba copy other tribes a lot:
2) emir from Fulani
3) "sir" from the British
1) Oba from Benin

Even some Benin traditional swords were copied by the Yoruba.

You guys like to imitate other people's cultures, face this fact and live on.

ur brother open this thread dumbass claiming ogboni belongs to Benin after he lost he also tried to claim the word oba. Oba does not have any meaning in ur language so how can it be urs.

Moneywomen17:
ur brother open this thread dumbass claiming ogboni belongs to Benin after he lost he also tried to claim the word oba. Oba does not have any meaning in ur language so how can it be urs.

Did you even read what you are quoting ?
On it I posted a proof that you Yoruba copied the word from the Oba of Benin whom is the only legitimate holder of the title.

If you want to play, well play with these questions:
What does king mean in English ?
What does roi mean in French ?
What does keizer mean in German ?
What does tsar mean in Russian ?

And which precolonial Yoruba dictionary are you quoting about the meaning of the word "Oba" ?

What Oba means in Edo language:

It means emperor of Benin empire .

Ghostwon65:

The Fulani copied the ottomans by using titles such as sultan and emir. But at least they don't deny it.
But the Yoruba just copy do many tribes and don't even pay credit, they turn around and claim those tribes copied them, not too long ago the ooni was trying to claim Igbo.
He even claimed internet was derived from IFA.
The list goes on...
Why do these people lie so much ?

Egwusi and pounded is now been atributed to either igbos or youbas,

Especially the igbos laying falseful claims to them

I did a research and found out that people who consider pounded yam and eguisi as thier traditional delicacy in Yoruba land were actually benin influence yoruba people in ondo and delta
The other yorubas lay claims to amala and ewedu from oyo influence,
But igbos still insisted eguisi must be thiers

Gradually we lost voice in our delicacy because our delicacy has now became a delicacy for all
Soon our children would be faced on the argument if the coral is even benins

Same way the title oba was adopted by yorubas to raise thier monarchial prestige of the Yoruba people using the title oba, because eweka made a friendly tales of the benin-ife monarchy to the yorubas

Lete be guided and think fast if we cant stop people from adopting our culture but we cant get them to acknowledge its origin

Moneywomen17:
ur brother open this thread dumbass claiming ogboni belongs to Benin after he lost he also tried to claim the word oba. Oba does not have any meaning in ur language so how can it be urs.

And how did you achieve that

Ghostwon65:

Did you even read what you are quoting ?
On it I posted a proof that you Yoruba copied the word from the Oba of Benin whom is the only legitimate holder of the title.

What does king mean in English ?
What does roi mean in French ?
And which precolonial Yoruba dictionary are you quoting about the meaning of the word "Oba" ?

What does Oba mean in Edo language:

The emperor of Benin empire .

lies oba doesn’t even have a meaning in edo language as most of ur brother have admitted several times here what u have is n’oba. And oba doesn’t mean emperor in edo cuz to be an emperor u have to have an empire. When Benin was still a kingdom in early stage the king was still called omo n’oba n’edo so stop lying. N’oba means shining and that’s not a name for an emperor. How can Benin be legitimate owner of a title that has no meaning in ur language. In Yoruba oba is king. Title relating to oba is otunba or u Benin go claim we adopt otunba title too. In oyo past traditions those who are buried with the king are called abobaku. Did we borrow it from Benin too. Get it into ur thick skull. Oba is yoruba n’oba is edo. U only borrowed oba. Shikena.

Moneywomen17:
lies oba doesn’t even have a meaning in edo language as most of ur brother have admitted several times here what u have is n’oba. And oba doesn’t mean emperor in edo cuz to be an emperor u have to have an empire. When Benin was still a kingdom in early stage the king was still called omo n’oba n’edo so stop lying. N’oba means shining and that’s not a name for an emperor. How can Benin be legitimate owner of a title that has no meaning in ur language. In Yoruba oba is king. Title relating to oba is otunba or u Benin go claim we adopt otunba title too. In oyo past traditions those who are buried with the king are called abobaku. Did we borrow it from Benin too. Get it into ur thick skull. Oba is yoruba n’oba is edo. U only borrowed oba. Shikena.

Wtf. Man you are mentally ill.
Omo n'Oba n'Edo is the full title. In short it is Oba.
I have already said this. You are pretending to not have seen it. It is common practice in Edo language to have mixed words like Netete (N'Etete) IGBINOBA (Igbi n'Oba), Iye n'Ochwa, Iy'oba, IGBINOSA (Igbi n'Osa)...

Ghostwon65:
What exactly does Benin have to do with this discussion ?
You Yoruba really like to mention Benin in every situation.

The emperor of Benin empire is titled:
OMO N'OBA N'EDO. Oba in short.

In the precolonial era, Yoruba chiefs didn't refer to themselves as "Oba". Rather they referred to themselves as ooni, alafin...
In the colonial era Yoruba chiefs started naming themselves in the following manner: "ooni of ife, sir adeyemi", "alafin of oyo, sir adetoye"...
Notice the introduction of two non Yoruba words: "of" and "sir".
The "sir" is a word from English nobility which the yorubas borrowed from the British in order to add some prestige to their titles.

However, later in the colonial era, the Yoruba dropped the word "sir" and replaced it with the word "Oba", yet an other non Yoruba word.

The word Oba belongs to Benin empire, it is how Benin empire calls it's emperor as witnessed by European visitors in the middle ages.

Basically, Yoruba copy other tribes a lot:
2) emir from Fulani
3) "sir" from the British
1) Oba from Benin

Even some Benin traditional swords were copied by the Yoruba.

You guys like to imitate other people's cultures, face this fact and live on.

Why is it so hard for you Yoruba to just admit you borrowed the title of the emperor of Benin ?
It seems you are not aware that empire is an other word for Kingdom, it was invented by cezar when he wanted to be king without calling himself king and without calling Rome Kingdom. So he came up with emperor and empire was derived from that.
An empire is viewed vas a powerful and large Kingdom, just like Benin which conquered other kingdoms.

gregyboy:


And how did you achieve that

u don’t have real ogboni in Benin what u have is fake. Ogboni in Yoruba land are political and an arm of government during the oyo empire with enormous powers.

Moneywomen17:
u don’t have real ogboni in Benin what u have is fake. Ogboni in Yoruba land are political and an arm of government during the oyo empire with enormous powers.

Who gives a crap about ogboni ?

Seriously who care about the ogboni sect ?
Why is this even a debate ?

Ghostwon65:


Wtf. Man you are mentally ill.
Omo n'Oba n'Edo is the full title. In short it is Oba.
I have already said this. You are pretending to not have seen it. It is common practice in Edo language to have mixed words like Netete, IGBINOBA (Igbi n'Oba), Iye n'Ochwa...

dumb ass how can only oba be removed for short in the whole sentence. Ur example igbi n’oba came out as igbinoba as short which is logic. So omo n’oba n’edo a full word just happens to be just oba for short a word that coincidentally means king in Yoruba. Let’s say it were even true that I believe u which I don’t not in the slightest cuz u brothers are huge liars it still shows that the word oba doesn’t mean shit in ur language and it’s just short for the full title. Meanwhile in Yoruba we have oba, otunba title which has existed for centuries all over every Yoruba land. Oja oba in every Yoruba land too. Local ruler of a particular land are called baale. So tell me how did yoruba borrow the word oba from benin according to u liars in the 1950 and there is the so many words relating to oba that go back centuries.

Ghostwon65:
Seriously who care about the ogboni sect ?
Why is this even a debate ?

ask Gregboy he opened this thread or are u blind.

Ghostwon65:

Who gives a crap about ogboni ?

ask gregboy he claimed Yoruba also borrowed ogboni from Benin cuz apparently Yoruba borrow everything from Benin.

[quote author=Ghostwon65





Why is it so hard for you Yoruba to just admit you borrowed the title of the emperor of Benin ?
It seems you are not aware that empire is an other word for Kingdom, it was invented by cezar when he wanted to be king without calling himself king and without calling Rome Kingdom. So he came up with emperor and empire was derived from that.
An empire is viewed vas a powerful and large Kingdom, just like Benin which conquered other kingdoms.[/quote] if we borrowed anything we will admit we borrow it. We did not borrow oba from u it’s most likely the other way around. Oba doesn’t mean emperor in Benin stop lying. We are not in Europe. Before Benin conquered other kingdom the title was still omo n’oba n’edo. The child that shines for edo. How does that mean emperor. Better get ur head right.