davidnazee:


No its Yorubas that are confused..
now u saying Oba is not a title in Yoruba it just means ruler?
I'm saying its a title Yoruba kings adopted from Benin..

can you explain why Yoruba kings were not refered to as Oba till around the 20th century?

ode can u tell me one king in Yoruba that changed his title that he was using previously to the oba title u claimed they adopt cuz as far as I can see the aalafin is still called alalafin and so many more. Oba Lori ngbogbo is yoruba. Ur word for king is Ogie.

illicit:


you are still confused.

any king in Yoruba land is an Oba no matter the title adopted.

Oba simply means the presiding one. it is as old as the language.

the only place where oba is specifically used as a title in Yoruba land is in Lagos. Oba of Lagos, the previous title for the king of Lagos island was Eleko of Eko. ( The owner of Eko)

oba of Lagos is English derived just like oba of Benin. His real title is eleko of Eko.

davidnazee:


So why weren't Yoruba kings called Oba till recently? the title Oba was adopted by the Yorubas in the 20th century..

was the title otunba, oja oba,abobaku also adopted in the 20th century. Can u prove it. How can a word adopted mean something in the language but u that claimed u own the word doesn’t mean shit in ur language. Is there any word relating to oba in Benin language except the omo noba nedo.

illicit:


you are the confused one here.

Oba means king.

Now kings have different titles.

you should understand now

correct one general word for king which is oba while the rest of the king have different titles. Don’t know what’s confusing about that.

davidnazee:


Yorubas are confused.. you have many words for kings..

only one word for king which is oba. Just like ur word for king in edo is ogie. Yoruba has otunba title urs is enogie. Just accept the fact oba means nothing In ur language.

davidnazee:


If Ilorin never had an Oba, then what was the title of the Yoruba ruler before the fulani conquest of Ilorin? or was Ilorin always Fulani?
The reason Ilorin never had an Oba title is because by the time the Yorubas adopted the Benin Oba title Ilorin was already in control of the fulanis who had introduced the emir title..

shut up ilorin doesn’t have oba title. It was a military outpost with no king under oyo empire. Ilorin has an emir but the people still refer to their king as oba cuz that’s yoruba word for king. Did the Yoruba also adopt Otunba title from Benin cuz the word has no meaning regarding leadership in Benin language. Ur word for king is ogie. Itsekiri king is ogiamen (king of the water.) while the title is olu of Warri.

gregyboy:



Just prove benin-ife connection with a written document from 1475 to1914


See the scrrenshot below this men know the stories were made up

Make una get sense

I love this ur source lol.

gregyboy:



Prove benin-ife connection from using a document written from 1475 to 1914

TAO11:


Prove that your ancestor Ekalderhan exist using any writting from 1500 to 1930

cc: Moneywomen17

TA011 replied u.

gregyboy:




You have started adding emotions to your comments soon we will tame you like tao



Amyway too much talk


First of all there was no connection between benin and ife throughout history oba eweka 11 was the one who coined it with his name eweka


Unless you say am lieing

You can prove it to me that benin had a connection with ife in the past by citing any documents from the European arrival since 1475 till 1897

u talk too much. U said there is nothing like oba it’s just an appellation. It’s called omo noba nedo. So why do u call ur king omo noba nedo uku akpolopo then call him oba ewuare or eweka again. What does name like obaseki translates to. And am still waiting for the 30 kings that came from Benin in Yoruba land.

TAO11:


Nice one!

Keep giving it to thick-skulled boy.

His skull must be soft today.

I have already exposed them on that "Oba" thingy.

In the end we found that the word "Oba" does not even exist in Edo language till today.

cc: gregyboy, Edeyoung I lie??

Oba is undisputed Yoruba from Nigeria to Benin to Togo. The word ba in relation to leadership is ever present. Apart from ojo oba, ojude oba. Long term title like otunba has been present in Yoruba for centuries. Yoruba names with oba attaches to them.

illicit:


you are mixing history up.

Ilorin never had an Oba. it's simply an Oyo military Outpost Headed by the generalissimo Aare Afonja.

Alaafin was the supreme king.

the Fulanis took over the kingdom after Aares mutiny.

Emir is a funani titile.

Ilorin never had obas of its own.

emir is a Islamic title nothing to do with Fulani.

gregyboy:



Oromiyan that samuel johson didnt even write that he came from ife go sit down nor be only oromiyan na orayan

You expect me to believe your myth lol



We have more than 30 kings in yoruba land who heritage are from benin tell me why the word oba wont be adopted to the yorubas lexicon


Unlike oromiyan who some authors believe never existed but was a mythical idol


In the entire Edo state show me three kings who have Yoruba ancestory


The truth is edo overlorded you guys


Oduduwa is a political canopy to escape oyo rule


So emir title in kwara is also a Yoruba title abi

Benin - ife never had connections oga go sit-down

Untill proven otherwise

tell me the name of the 30 kings in Yoruba land that are of Benin heritage cuz apart from ogoga of ikere who claimed his ancestors are from Benin no king is descendants of Benin. Meanwhile in the first place ur king is descendant of oranmiyan a Yoruba so by extension the king of ikere is also yoruba.
Dumbass emir title is not even African but Arabs and its Amir and it’s beinv used as an Islamic title in ilorin. The ilorin people still call him oba cuz that’s the Yoruba word for king. Even the market is still called oja oba.
If there is no word called oba in Benin and it’s just an appellation what does name like Obaseki and co means. Why is ur king called oba ewuare.

illicit:


oh boy you don't get it.

what language do u speak.

Oba in Yoruba translates to "he who presides"


omo oba means the Scion of he who presides.

omonoba nedo.... means the prince in edo....

what does oba mean in your language. answer that.

am a linguist you know.


Obadiah or whatever you are quoting from Edom has nothing to do with this.
No linguistic correlation.

How do you even know the right pronunciation for Obadiah....

apart from oba. There is yoruba title like otunba. Even the people that get killed with the king in the Olden days of oyo are called abobaku. The only word Benin has regarding the oba is their omo noba nedo the shining one.

gregyboy:





Sicko



Omo n'oba nedo ukwakpolopolo title

Eware11 = name


Calling just oba as the title is incorrect oba is just an abbreviations of the full name

The question should be why did the yorubas adopt the word oba to represent kingship in yoruba land was the power of power so strong among yoruba territories just like we nigerians adopted king as an English title for our king.....



You guys simply adopted the title oba into your lexicon in the early 30s

shut up and stop lying oba is yoruba word. The title otunba a very prominent title in all yoruba land means king right hand man. So tell me how yoruba copy Benin when it’s clear as day it’s the other way around. Every market in Yoruba land there is oja oba. Even the Europeans wrote about it. The truth is Benin adopted the word when oranmiyab from came to rule ur people. Cuz the word oba has no meaning regarding leadership in Benin language while it does in Yoruba.

OhBiafra:
Patiently waiting for Yoruba muslims

why? Cuz if na Yoruba land this thread go don reach 10 pages with ipob.

gregyboy:



You're bigger than this, you should have outgrown anyform of tribalism by now


Even if you are to disagree come up with good valid point for disproval

u don’t get it gregboy. Everybody knows how u can’t comprehend even the most basic of things. U can not interpret what u read.

TAO11:


(1) Yes, he said it just like all your screenshots have been saying it.

(2) Oduduwa ruled Ife in circa1000AD.

(3) Nobody is ever called Akanbi in the Oduduwa household.

You hardly learn once you grip ignorance.

And the question you intended here is as dvmb as asking: "Why does history record Ewuare2 as having 5 wives when he in fact has 5 wives."

(3) No historian early or late say Oranmiyan is a Nupe.

You are just being yourself --- a smelly wide-mouthed fatuous liar.

Having said that, Ekaladerhan is the mythical personage who is not found in any history book from 1485 to 1930.

cc: Moneywomen17

I didn’t even see where he said oronmiyan is nupe. Gregboy get problem and boy no dey shame. He has literally lost every argument he started.

gregyboy:



Ok you say oduduwa existed


When did oduduwa reign

Why do history refer akanbi as the only son

Why did early historians trace oromiyan history to the nupe people

the source u posted doesn’t the source have the answer u need regarding oduduwa.

See coward and shameless Benin boys. One woman has been lecturing them and making them realize what a fool they are instead of them to say thank u madam. Now they can’t keep up with her dem dey take nosense about borehole. Shame and sense dey far from Benin boys here. Smh

TAO11:


Why are you then attaching articles that disagree with you??

I have conluded the guy is both a troll and low iq slowpoke

gregyboy:



Lol... Yoruba man don knack pidgin everywere don burst be that

Oduduwa never existed, he was a mythical fiquare

lol. U are a troll. “Mythical fiquare” source: gregboy.number 1 Benin dumbass on nairaland. Meanwhile same dumbass post source that affirms oduduwa.

gregyboy:
You yorubas should learn to be humble

u Benin’s should borrow sense.

gregyboy:



And that statement was also rebuked by the author

where was it rebuked. It merely stated Benin gain independence faster a long time ago

gregyboy:


Go and read the full article and read other different articles i dont draw my point from one source lol......

post the source of the said article and other source u draw ur deluded conclusions from along with a screenshot cuz all u have been posting just go against ur dumb claim

gregyboy:



And who said it started 1832, when a strong kingdom dethrone the previous and appoint thier own kings does that mean the mornachy never existed before the arrival of the new king..



Yes the monarchy is old no one disputed that the benin monarch succeeded the old monarchy

can u show an prove any ijesha king was dethrone dumbgreg. There is no history of an ijesha king dethroned. Who was the king dethroned? Who was the king Benin monarch that succeeded it? Where is ur source on this stupid things u claim.

gregyboy:



My friend i dont draw my conclusion or my info from one source before i posted any of this articles i have been saying Oduduwa never existed and even the article at one point also prive oduduwa existence as a god


I never used this article to debate oduduwa existence my friend you're the one who have comprehesion issues

if u didn’t use this article to debate oduduwa existence why did u post it when we are debating oduduwa existence. U get sense at all. And oduduwa is a god. A god on earth.

gregyboy:



Seriously ypu think am fellow yoruba you can fool with your reasoning our oba bought into oduduwa out of political gains even when he doesnt speak yoruba or practice any yoruba culture

So that point you gave there is invalid language is not a barrier of accepting any heritage

ur oba must be one dumb king then or perhaps he is telling the truth choose one.

gregyboy:



Did you see the scrrenshot you should draw your conclusions



The screenshot shows how benins have been doing some dirty work for illesha people
Gbebaaaje called the help of benin warriors to attack ibokun and after the victory benin appointmented a king there to rule the people that's why you can see the owa ibokun dressing like a benin monarch

Lol please dont interpret them with myth

stop lying nowhere in what u posted does it say Benin appointed a king in Ilesha. And according to what u provided it shows that ijesha also ask Ibadan for help. Benin never appoint any king in Yoruba land liar.

Yoruba owns ogboni. They merely brought it to u Benin. Nothing in what u posted from Benin net shows that for a fact that Benin owns ogbeni group.