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ifeness: You want to bring wealth back into the church and yet the book you read from contradicts itself " THE LORD WILL GIVE YOU WEALTH" and also says "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" . Isn't that contradicting? Which means if money is the root of all evil and and you make a lot of money that means you will be evil. if you don't want to be evil... so don't make any money. Wasn't that the preaching of the church back in the days?

You are right by admitting positive thinking will attract wealth(not faith in God) because the God mind ( which is creation,consciousness,energy,life,love) you are talking about is neutral. It will simply allow you to be whatever you chose or think of all the time. If you want wealth and you gonna hold onto it,you will likely not get it. Why? because the universe will not give you more than what you can handle.

Let go of every negative belief systems that makes you fear,demands certain things before you can get another.

One more thing. Money shouldn't be the focus but ABUNDANCE. Abundance is the ability to do whatever you want at any given time.

@ifeness

Chief, hold on, hold on, the book didn't say "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" rather it said

"For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows . . .

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.
Some people, in their eagerness to get rich, have wandered away from the faith
and caused themselves a lot of pain. - 1 Timothy 6:10 ISV

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Omo Alata: Bust stop ke

Erh nau, sister Omo Alata, the last bust stop to the problem would be a wife nau

I suppose bro chuks roles as a matchmaker too and can assist in this department

But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn - 1 Corinthians 7:9 KJV

Jokes apart, seriously, compare the title "The Last Bust Stop To Your Problem by bro chuks" with the post "do you need a final bus stop to your problem?"

Lord have mercy, it was a fat finger typo please.

https://www.blogcdn.com/www.mandatory.com/media/2013/02/500-1360355755.jpg
^{Thanks to a raging soda habit, William Kennewell, 25, wears a full set of dentures.
Kennewell drank between six and eight liters of sugary soft drinks a day
and ignored his dentists' warnings about the problem until it was too late, he said.}

Soft-drink addiction caused Australia man, 25, to lose teeth, get blood poisoning
William Kennewell never cared for water, and he had ready access to soda, so he drank that — lots of it.
Now he’s the perfect poster boy for Mayor Bloomberg’s war on soda.

Need a reason to cut back on soda? How about a 25-year-old who wears dentures?

William Kennewell of Salisbury, Australia, was never a fan of water, so he drank cola — a lot of it.

He downed a staggering six to eight liters a day for three years, he told the Adelaide Advertiser.

The soda habit became an addiction that he "struggled to kick," Kennewell said.

Eventually, he developed tooth decay so severe that it led to blood poisoning — and the removal of his remaining teeth.

"I'm told a normal person has about 23 teeth, but ... I only had 13 left, and they had to be removed," Kennewell said.

"It started because I wasn't a huge water fan and working in the hotel industry, I had easy access to Coke.

"Because my teeth were decaying so badly, it caused blood poisoning which just made me sick, but my health improved with the dentures."

Kennewell is now a poster boy for Australian health researchers who are calling for warning labels on soft drinks about the risks of tooth decay.

He agrees with the idea, he says, though he's not sure how effective it will be

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/cola-addict-25-rots-teeth-blood-poisoning-article-1.1255886#ixzz2KojTRd3T

@GraceBestowed

It is well with you.

There will be a lot of dangled tantalising chickens

Scoff all up but be mindful of the bones.

Eat the chickens but don't choke on the bones, just spit them out.

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you

VICTORY surely is yours


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deT3x-wccnE

Goshen360: @moredendisc,

That was brilliant! I just found it in my NIV Study Bible.

I think Image's advice was sharp because how I go start dey type all of those things

or what if the OP doesn't have the kind of recommended Bible?

Anyway, sure you're doing great!

@Goshen360

Err, I used to use that section quite a lot back in the day. Hmm.

We thank God, all is well

luckyCO: Hello
Can somebody help me as exhaustive as possible all various verses where Jesus performed miracle.
Mathew, Mark , Luke And John.

If I ask of the whole Bible it might be that am asking too much.
Thanks

luckyCO: Thanks very very much!

@luckyCO

If you have a King James Version bible, go or flip to the end or back pages, there is a section there titled "MIRACLES OF OUR LORD"

"MIRACLES OF OUR LORD" has the following below subtitles (i.e. the subtitles have the exhaustive verse lists of all the miracles)

(1) Peculiar to St Matthew
(2) Peculiar to St Mark
(3) Peculiar to St Luke
(4) Peculiar to St John
(5) Common to Matthew and Mark
(6) Common to Matthew and Luke
(7) Common to Mark and Luke
(8 ) Common to Matthew Mark and Luke
(9) Common to Matthew Mark and John
(10) Common to all the Evangelists

https://www.s321877134.websitehome.co.uk/Drive/310712/1630rushwatehisholyword/cusersholyword2012-06-02005img_8704.jpg

# I think Basic English bible or NIV too might have something similar at the end of their bibles

engrtee: .2.........Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they (begged) Him that He would (permit) them to enter them. And He permited them.

Why did he have mercy on the demön and permit them?

pictures: Demons are spirits and spirits don't die. moreover , there time of judgement have not come .

@engrtee

pictures is right. Demons are spirits, spirits don't die, and that their time of judgement had not come.

God will hear you out. He is a listening God.

They asked to be evicted into the herds of pig and so He obliged/granted the wish/request

It was a case of, foul or unclean spirits allowed to enter unclean animals, which incidentally is what the pigs were

Jesus knew the demons will soon be homeless without a body, when the herds of pigs come to a sudden and unexpected end after the demons entered them.

Classic example of killing two birds with one stone

The demons needed a body with which to operate on earth with

and thought next to nothing, the herd of pigs will do

unfortunately this was short lived - the reprieve, and their calculation or scheming backfired them back to square one

Ishilove: Just stop this.
You are leading gullible people to sin, and as it is written, you might as well hang a rock around your neck and cast yourself into Barbeach for this evil you are spouting.
The word is very clear on pre-marital sex.
When you aren't married, you have no business having sex.
Quit twisting the word of God to justify your carnality.

@Ishilove

Yes ma'am - your wish shall be my command after dropping this post

# Cohabitation does not have the same meaning for pre-marital sex as you are championing

# Whilst pre-marital sex is the sin, please condemn that and not cohabitation.

# Please put up or shut up, if you have no scripture to support your claim, that, it is sin for people in a "until death do us part" relationship to live together unless civil law or customarily married - no offense meant

# Cohabitation, rightly so, may be discouraged as ill-advised for quite a few numbers of easily impressed or influenced Christians.

but hey, please, don’t impose or add unfounded and non existing laws to the Bible that it is sin for people in a relationship to live together unless married

Joagbaje: Sex by consent wasn't a sin under the law but. It doesn't equate marriage.marriage is not just an agreement between 2 people .

A woman has to be given in marriage . She doesn't give herself to a man , she has to be given.

There is also a difference between who you are sleeping with and who you are married to.

Marriage institution is not cohabiting . Jesus showed us the difference.

John 4:16-18
Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

@Joagbaje

It is true women are given in marriages but not all women have been given in marriages

and it is not necessarily so that all women are to be given in marriages

Also please DO NOT twist John 4:16-18 with "Marriage institution is not cohabiting . Jesus showed us the difference"

Jesus actually was stating and pointing out the facts here, as in

1)Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband - The woman is married. She vacated the marriage/union without a divorce or consent of the husband as was the custom of the law of Moses that husbands give certificate of divorce
2)The woman answered and said, I have no husband - She still has a living husband, is/was not divorced, is not a widow, so her saying "I have no husband" was incorrect
She and the other man cannot go into a contractual binding or give mutual consent to each others bodies which will be acceptable or approved. It is illicit sex and she is committing adultery with the man when having se.x
3)For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. - The woman has had five husbands in the past. Unlike nowadays, where women get divorces, it is the men who issue divorce certificates then, so the woman, though she had left home, she cant claim she has no husbands because as it happened she wasn't given a divorce certificate by husband and did not wait to be issued with one before packing her bags and leave

Marriage is an institution is true

yet genuine and sincere cohabitation, if for life, until death do you part, is acceptable too

The formality(ies) is the difference(s) between Marriage and Cohabitation

The cohabitation the woman had with that man in John 4:16-18 cannot stand on it's feet because the woman is not divorced or widowed, she is still married to another man

# TV01 AND G have spoken, this is for the John 4:24 folks, and so to others, it is not an excuse or license for se.xual harassments or se.xual malpractices

# Exercising the authority and office of the royal priesthood, the Lord sees acceptable and good cohabitation, the same way, the civil law sees marriage

# Acceptable, approved and good cohabitation is no frills marriage actually

TV01:
@Goshen let me address you, as you are the main protagonist here. You do have a point of sorts, and one I can see if properly defined and contextualised.

The “but” here, is that you have gone about it in a way that can at best, be described as somewhat careless and have not really articulated the point clearly.

Firstly, the bible has as one of its many recurring themes, the fact that “He is no respecter of persons”. Does it mean that illiterate, vernacular-only speaking mama in the village cannot know God like concordance using, lexicon referencing, mult-ilinear translation reading brother in the city? No sir, he can possibly know the scriptures more, master the languages of antiquity better, but the desire for God and the Spirit of God are the real difference.

Secondly, all things are lawful, but are all expedient? Will you make your brother stumble by your knowledge or your desire to prove your sterling Berean ethic? You should have been as concerned about this, as about proving your essentially moot point.

Thirdly, you did not originally caveat or correctly outline the position which is a very narrow one.

So it actually appears that you have changed position over the course of the discussion?

I am personally convinced that if God is truly in a (marriage) union and both parties consent to that and to one another, they are effectively married.

However you define fornication or adultery - in English, Hebrew or Greek. And whatever further consents you seek or formalities you undergo. It is done and it is blessed.

What if – as has been noted – there are no parents, family or others? What if they are the last (or first) couple, castaway (or created) on a desert Island (garden)?

But if there are and they are not, what prevents them fulfilling all righteousness?

What stops you acting maturely so that the one who has not the same understanding on this point does not stumble?

It is not sin to you if you know, understand, are convinced and led. It could be to others who do not and are not.

In truth, all you’ve really done – and rightly so in my view - is question the view of were pre-marital ends and marital begins.

In any event sex before – whether you term it fornication or not – is sin.

And even sex after (dependant on where you consider it begins), while lawful, may not necessarily be expedient.

May we all attain to the fullness, the measure, the stature….

God bless
TV

Succinctly dropped

- Nice to see you, to see you nice around here again

# Goshen360 is a honorable man, with no malice, ulterior motive or scheming agenda

# In fairness, G's stand is, you must be married or be in a union with the other sex, for the long haul until death do youse apart, for you to have each other

# The ocean was cold and deep. The currents were overwhelming . . .

# G, I would advise you to put out disclaimer(s) next time you respond to controversial issue or situation that others might find scary, awkward or unpleasant to deal with

Ishilove: O cut it out!

So because I agree to marry you or brother Goshen, that automatically gives us the leeway to strafe each other's brains out??

Be carful, you and Goshen are misleading confused souls with this kind of warped thinking

@Ishilove

I must admit that this is not for the faint hearted

However going back to your post, if the agreement is mutual and is not based on flesh,

if the union is for the long haul until death do you apart then you have the license to jiggy jiggy till kingdom come.

The 3 pre-requisitse are:

1)It is the right sex to have
2)It is the right time or moment to have the s.ex
3)In tow with #1 & #2 the right standing with God is maintained when #1 & #2 is happening

Call them the 3 Rs - the 3 Rights or Righteousness

Consider been shipwrecked on an uninhabited and deserted island. The island is not close to any shipping route. Just have to resign to living on the island for an unforseeable time. What you going to do! Conjure guests out of the air for a wedding and reception? Hmm?

Goshen360: No, it is not! You're not 'making love' to any man - you're making love to your husband (in the eyes of God) because you already make vows and commitment and in love to live together with each other forever until death do you apart. When someone start jumping from one man to another saying I want to marry you and one of them has deception in his/her heart, and making sex with different girls or boys, that is illicit sex, that's abuse, that's immorality and that's not what I'm talking about.

Ishilove: Brother mine, I shudder to imagine how many people have been led astray by this kind of thinking.

God has not given us a spirit of fearfulness, but one of power, love, and sound judgment

Whosoever that was led astray is either a fraud, a sheeple, or simply with the benefit of doubt; naive.

Those that worship the LORD in spirit and in truth, in conjunction with the black and red, read the white spaces

Ishilove: So in other words, pre-marital sex is not a sin in the sight of God?

It is sinful having s.ex, if the parties involved are not in the relationship for the long haul.

and would be sin in the sight of God

Having that right sex, at the right time and been or remaining at right standing with God is important. Very important.

Immature, irresponsible, naive, unprepared, not-yet off-age etc without the commitment, loyalty, trust, love, faithfulness etc etc

can't embark on having se.x, for self-gratification, willy nilly or just on whims

Ignatio: Honestly I did got confused. Opposing comments like these make me wonder why Christianity is filled with controversy and confusion. (another topic for another day sha.)

I asked the question because of observations I made. I don't know if you guys noticed too.

A trend is slowly growing in this world and it's turning out to be a norm.

The girlfriend and boyfriend relationship is becoming more important than husband and wife relationship.

Thus having babies out of wedlock gets applause ( Gerard Pique and Shakira, Lionel Messi, 2face, Ballotelli, Obafemi Martins, Ice Prince, C. Ronaldo and a whole lot of others).

It is written sin is punishable but I see no form of punishment in these people's lives. Or are they immuned.

The earlier we know the truth the better for us.

And again it's now weird to be single.

So I asked why is sex a sin?

@Ignatio

Ignatio, I didn't want to be embroiled, as such in the "Why Is Sex A Sin?" question

however for sanity & clarity sake, it has to be corrected that sex, by and/or in itself, is not a sin

What is sinful or is a sin, is having, offering, giving, participating or partaking in illicit, unapproved, frowned-upon, inappropriate, unusual etc sex.

Don't paint genuine Christians with the same brush as everyone (e.g. Gerard Pique and Shakira, Lionel Messi, 2face, Ballotelli, Obafemi Martins, Ice Prince, C. Ronaldo and a whole lot of others)

Christians that are having se.x, without commitment, loyalty, faithfulness until death do them part are fakes, dubious and of questionable character

At any rate, Christians, ideally and better still, ought to be making love, going beyond ordinarily having s.ex

As an afterthought, Ignatio, you might want give the definition of sex, (i.e. what is sex) so as to confirm whether or not sex is sin.

Snowwy: If the biblical laws and commandments are now preconceived ideas, let me die to them rather than awake to your new world movt.
Thank you.

It is well. Have no fear, Snowwy

and it is not awakening to a new world movt but awakening to John 4:24

I do not know the particular biblical laws and commandments you are referring to

Alwaystrue: Its well. See carnality.

Snowwy: Is the Holy Spirit now man? Abi you are now questioning God here? Pls do not blaspheme o!

I have said enough at this point.

See survival tactics and emotional responses to a perceived threat which is unfounded.

The Holy Spirit is now, not man. It isn't a case of, now questioning God, anywhere

The fear of the unknown is the beginning of quenching knowledge

Die to preconceived notions/ideas and become alive to new

Snowwy: He LAY with her and DEFILED her!

Her brothers were angry because He LAY with her even when he came forward to marry her.

Her brothers said he DEALTH with her as with A HARLOT!

When you read where the bible says one plays the harlot it doesn't mean rape. Please read in context.

They were not married. Even bethrotheds do not have sex. Joseph and Mary did not have sex. Yet they were espoused.

They wait till marriage as they are meant to be virgins. Call it whatever name, all sex outside marriage is wrong!

@Snowwy

Unless you're a strong swimmer or have a life jacket against the current, don't bother go swimming in oceans

so be careful of bringing Joseph and Mary into this, Mary especially

It is all about mutual permission, respect, honour etc etc

and it would be interesting to know what it would have been called if the Holy Spirit still descended on Mary against her will or permission.

I am yet to read anywhere, Mary telling God's angel, "Before this union, let me go ask my papa and mama or go get their consent first ..."

. . . Holy Spirit shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God
- Luke 1:35 KJV

Snowwy: It is FORNICATION!!!!!!
You did not sleep with your wife, did you? NO!

Go read Genesis 34 and see what it means for a man to sleep with someone not his wife. Infact read selected verses below.

² And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and [size=20pt]defiled her[/size].
³ And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.

⁷ And the sons of Jacob came out of the field when they heard it: and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought folly in Israel in lying with Jacob's daughter; which thing ought not to be done.

³¹ And they said, Should he deal with our sister as with an harlot?


When people start rationalising God's word with human knowledge this is what you get. As glaringly as that scripture proves that what the man did was wrong, Goshen still cannot see beyond it.
When you sleep with someone whether or not you plan to marry you have played the harlot. Only the marital bed is undefiled and honourable. Except you have another bible o.


How you can tell me that when Paul said TO AVOID fornication, MARRY! Is now my own and not the bible's definition of fornication shows you have given heed to seducing spirits and you have itchy ears.

The keyword there is/was RA.PE, another form of illicit or unapproved sex

Not all illicit or unapproved sex is fornication

but all fornication is illicit or unapproved sex just like adultery, ra.pe, bestiality, lesbians/homosexual sex etc is

Defiled - forcibly took her against her wish, stole what is not his and spoiled her for the rightful owner, as there was no mutual permission and agreement that they are for life until death do them part

Goshen360: You just made my point. I'm saying - IN THE EYES OF GOD, such people are already married.

We only bring in the consent of parents today because what followed in the commandment of God was - therefore shall a man leave his FATHER AND MOTHER....that's where parental consent comes in.

What say ye?

Mr_Anony: But then I have not made any point for you and this is just a twisting of words.

We both know that there is a huge world of difference between parents agreeing to the marriage and them actually giving their daughter away. Be honest and don't try to twist the two.

@Goshen360 @Mr_Anony

"Ma koja mi, Olugbala, kin se orin abile kor" literally means "Don't go pass me, unnoticed, O Savior, isn't a folk song"

Genesis 2:24 - "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother . . . " isn't it and has nothing to do with parental consent or parental approval

but rather it is part and/or a continuation of Genesis 2:23 and an observation statement.

Parental consent? What happens if they are orphans or were the only survivors, ship wrecked on an uninhabited and deserted island?

Pfft. SMH. Whatevers happened to John 4:24, eh?

Anyway, Genesis 2:24 was actually highlighting the fact that, what Adam saw and appreciated, the first time he set eyes on Eve was so INTENSE and STRONG

that it turned out to be the reason or force behind that which makes a man go without his or give up his father and mother and SPLIT or BREAK UP to his wife and they becoming one flesh

Since Adam, every man doing the right thing, at the right moment and with a or at right standing with God, ought to be looking for his wife.

The moment, he finds his wife, he has found a good thing and obtaineth favour from God.

- Rebecca sent Jacob out to find his wife.

# Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother to set up house, the women occasionally go back to mum & dad (e.g. Zipporah)

Sisi_Kill: 666 on tax form makes man quit job to save soul


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VwJMo8sBBU

Question - Why is that it's always the low income earning Christians who can't afford to do stuff like these...I mean the quitting the jobs, the giving all their money to church, selling their cars etc, who do it?

That's always stumped me. . .you never hear of a CEO selling his property or some multi-millionaire quitting everything for the church. Why is that?!!

Oh please don't come and quote the whole it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God because I'll just counter it with list of rich people in the Bible who were close to God's heart or even use your papas and daddies as example. . .so let us not even go there.

So what is the reason? I'd really love to read from Pastor Joe Especially!!

@Sisi_Kill

Some have figured out that there are richer experiences than the life's luxuries that wealth provides

and so do not necessarily want to be rich on this side of eternity


# Though slightly OTT with the 666 fixation, still I suppose, faith pass faith. There are big faith, small faith etc etc

# Millionaire gives away fortune that made him miserable
# Austrian millionaire Karl Rabeder is giving away every penny of his £3 million fortune after realising his riches were making him unhappy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/7190750/Millionaire-gives-away-fortune-that-made-him-miserable.html

Goshen360: Yes, goshen360@xxxxxxxxx

Write now please. I have to modify now.

I am telling you, you already have mail

- Check your mail box

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obadiah777: OK LETS SEE HOW AUTHENTIC YOU ARE AS A PERSON. LETS SEE IF YOU ARE FULL OF SHYTTT OR NOT. LETS TEST YOUR VALIDITY.

CAN YOU POINT OUT ONLY THREE KJV ERRORS THAT YOU SPEAK OFF ? IF YOU CANT POINT 3 OUT, I WILL TAKE YOU AS SOMEONE WHO JUST LIKES ARGUING FOR ARGUMENTS SAKE. OK LETS SEE YOUR VALIDITY

@obadiah777

This has nothing to do with arguments or me . . .

I was advising you not to solely rely or depend only on KJV (i.e. but to also do a parallel translations of all other available bibles at the same time too)

and here you are sneakily fishing for evidence(s) and also playing the argument card SMH

What is stopping you carrying out a reasonable personal research?

Are you too high on SHYTTT something, to think straight or just plain stuck on stupid - no offense intended

# PS: I wasn't going to oblige your requests but just had an after thought.

OK here are a few subtle mistranslations

1) I Chronicles 5:26
2) Matthew 27:44 - Refer to https://www.nairaland.com/1165567/reasons-why-christians-falling-false/3#13921686
3) John 20:17

# KJV couldn't make up its mind, as it translated the word "Sheol" as "grave" 31 times and also as "hell" 31 times.

KJV, what is Sheol? Is it the grave or hell? - Refer to https://www.nairaland.com/1165567/reasons-why-christians-falling-false/3#13908025

obadiah777: SO IF BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION THE KING JAMES IS THE MOST ACCURATE, WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FROM THE BEGINNING, WHY DO YOU WANT TO CONSULT OTHER BIBLES WITH MUCH WORSE ERRORS AS YOU SO ELOQUENTLY PUT IT ? ITS LIKE HAVING AN A STUDENT IN FRONT OF YOU BUT YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO CONSULT WITH AN F STUDENT. DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE BRAH ? WELL YOU CAN READ ANY BIBLE YOU WANT, AS FOR ME, I HAVE BEEN ON THAT JOURNEY OF PICKING OUT THE BEST AND MOST ACCURATE. WHEN I WAS A LIP-SERVICE CHRISTIAN I READ ALL KINDS OF CORRUPTED NIV AND OTHER VERSIONS. THEN I FINALLY GOT IN THE TRUTH AND BECAME A SERIOUS 'CHRISTIAN', AND SPEAKING TO LOTS OF PEOPLE AND DOING MY OWN RESEARCH, COME TO FIND OUT THE NEWER VERSIONS ARE MADE NEWER SO THAT THEY COULD CHANGE STUFF IN THEIR TO HIDE HISTORY. THE NEWER THE VERSION IS THE MORE CORRUPT IT IS. ITS PURPOSELY CORRUPTED TO HIDE THE TRUTH. THE ONLY UNCORRUPTED VERSION IS THE KJV. AND WHY THE CORRUPTION ? BECAUSE THE LAST EMPIRE ON EARTH, THE ROMAN EMPIRE IS TRYING TO DECEIVE THE WORLD INTO THINKING CIVILIZATION STARTED IN GREECE, CHRIST IS WHITE, THE JEWS ARE WHITE AND EVERYONE IN THE BIBLE IS WHITE. SO THEY HAVE PURPOSELY ALTERED EVERYTHING AS SUCH TO FIT THAT AGENDA. AND I REPEAT, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP ON USING CORRUPTED BIBLE, BE MY GUEST, ME MYSELF ITS STRICTLY KJV. I WENT THROUGH A PHASE WHERE I CONSULTED OTHER BIBLES FOR EASIER EXPLANATION BECAUSE THE KJV ENGLISH WAS TOO OLD FOR ME. BUT AFTER A FEW WEEKS, I GOT USED TO THE ENGLISH. NOW I DONT EVEN CONSULT ANY OTHER TRANSLATIONS.

@obadiah777

I know KJV has lesser minefields.

I am familiar with cesspool and know the dodgy/rogue translations out there

I was once a die-hard KJV onlyist, like you are too. Back in the day, I graduated from Basic English bible to KJV.

I don't find KJV difficult to understand.

It is the closest, no doubt, but still the fact must be aired that it does have errors and readers should be wary

All am saying is that, if you don't want suffer the fate of the proverbial lost hound, take heed to the handler's whistle.

It was a rude awakening and shock to me the first time I accidentally stumbled on a KJV bad translation and error

- bumped into another one or two, recently, not too far back.

I have learnt since then to ALWAYS do or perform parallel translations

and now do this, ALWAYS when in doubt of, not 100% certain of, want to confirm the authenticity of, or want to validate the particular KJV text and/or context

Though 9 times out of 10, you'll find me quoting or referencing KJV, it doesn't mean I am a 100% KJV maga or sucker

- Prior due diligence had been performed or carried out

obadiah777: BRUV YOU POSTED A LINK THAT IS SUPPORTING MY STANCE SMDH WHY SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT ?

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR THINKING 'ERRING' IS REIGNING. WHAT IS REIGNING IS THE AUTHENTICITY OF OP'S BIBLE AND THE AUTHENTICITY OF MOREDENDISC'S OPINION

Oh yeah. You really think so

Anyway all am saying is, don't put all your eggs in one basket. . .

for the last time without again sounding like a broken record

". . . KJV too is no saint, has it's own fair share of errancies. Given the time of day, KJV 8 to 9 times out of 10, it is OK"

Snips from http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/bible-errors.html

. . . The King James translators did a marvelous job with the materials they had.
While this article is necessary to point out the KJV text that is errorneous,
it should be noted that the errors, omissions and additions made by the RSV, NIV,
and other modern translations are much, much WORSE!

King James Bible Errors
The verse(s) in question are given first and then what is the correct or Correction.. . .

Goshen360: Joagbaje, what is wrong with you? I don't mean to be rude please. I work with facts and truth. See, you know I reside in the states.
I DO WATCH BENNY HINN ON LIVE TELEVISION and I can give you the website to watch his live programmes and follow what he does.
See, the problem with you is that, you don't seems to accepts that every man of God should be checked in order to stem false teachings.

Scriptures do say the Berean Christians checked Apostle Paul to see if he teaches truth or error. Every MoG is first a Christian before being a MoG.
They do not have immunity NOT to be checked when they err. As a matter of fact, scripture say we should expose them, that is when ANYONE teach falsehood.
This is because the body of Christ MUST be sanitized and a church without spot or wrinkle presented to the coming of our Lord Jesus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73exrXr_hE
Benny Hinn:
The TRUE STORY of Benny Hinn
- a christian childhood friend
interviewed by Trey Smith

# Very revealing information
# The money-guys people in the background that gave Benny Hinn the white suit - they be Illuminati?

Goshen360: ^

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OmG, moredendisc,

Take my HUG ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Our brother Okeyxyz is going near error and we must attempt to reason scriptures with him in the Spirit of Truth and brotherhood.

Bro. It was just a little "good Samaritank" situation there,

trust Okeyxyz means well however "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another" - Proverbs 27:17 NIV

We all on the same moving train

okeyxyz: Everything you write above is all abstract, but you have not nailed it down to reality...

A christian is simply someone who is free from sin through faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. For the law which condemns us of sin are now abolished. With the law no longer in the way, so likewise is sin no longer in the way.
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law(1 Corinthians 15:56 );

It is impossible for you to sin.
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God(1 john 3:9 )

Therefore All-Things you used to think were sins(makes you unworthy of godhood) are no longer sins, and you are set free to go as you please. So se.x without marriage cannot be sin, drinking alcohol cannot be sin, gambling cannot be sin, smoking cannot be sin, etc
...FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD’S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS(1 Corinthians 10:26 )

You are left to your own senses to use this new found freedom as you please. You can either use it wisely to your own profit or foolishly to your own loss and sorrows,
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify(1 Corinthians 10:23 )

but they are not sins for it is impossible for god to sin.

Goshen360:
My brother, this your teaching is VERY VERY DANGEROUS. I read it from side-line last night while in bed but I couldn't reply because it was sleep o'clock. How can you say something like this? The reason we fellowship together and scrutinize one another is to stem wrong teachings. The Bereans did same to Apostle Paul. Like Mr. Anony said, this your teaching is wrong bro. Yes, I'm not a law teacher and the strength of sin is the law but Grace however is not a license to continue to sin but Grace is empowerment NOT to continue to sin.

How can you say s.ex without marriage (cannot be sin) is NOT fornication just because someone is in Christ? A Christian can sin even when such is in Christ, that is, it's possible for a Christian to sin (miss the mark or go off the mark or track) when in Christ but we don't GO ON SINNING. The Corinthians Christian, some while in Christ even sleep with their father's wife etc. That doesn't mean they're not Christians anymore but they missed the mark and committed se.xual immorality. When did Apostle Paul, a Grace preacher tell them it's not sin?

I was posting after the above (i.e. "My brother, this your teaching is VERY VERY DANGEROUS) but retracted before submitting

Only decided to re-posting seeing that Goshen360 had done a follow to "My brother, this your teaching is VERY VERY DANGEROUS"

It becomes obvious where okeyxyz is coming from when reading, carefully okeyxyz's post

Okeyxyz's post is almost right, the exceptions to almost right, are one or two wrongs where bible translations (e.g. 1 John 3:9 KJV) have mistakes and were mistranslated

Until when all "Thou Shall Not . . . " are taken away & God stops issuing it, there will always be the opportunity or chance to sin.

The new found Christian freedom is actually similar to be taken back to Eden and back to Eve

It is a case of back to square one and a similar setting to "All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify"

and like with Eve, now "You are left to your own senses to use this new found freedom as you please. You can either use it wisely to your own profit or foolishly to your own loss and sorrows,"

It is important to bear in mind that the law "Thou Shall Not . . . " (i.e. aase - word which proceeded from God, the King's mouth) was before sin & that sin is disobedience

and this beautifully stated verse"The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law" - 1 Corinthians 15:56

Disobeying the law (i.e. word(s) proceeding from God's mouth) leads to getting stung with or by a sharply-pointed object called sin,

and the poison or venom in the sting/sin has a strength or power of killing (i.e. the end product of sin is death)

It is important to understand

1)What "practicing sin" (i.e. committing sin regularly or breaking laws regularly) means,
2)What is sin or what sin means

The understanding(s) will clarify whether or not "It is impossible for Christians you to sin"

Of course, Christians are capable of sinning. God knows this and His expectation is that they stop from continually sinning gradually and eventually albeit via/with grace

If or when Christians do sin, then Hebrews 4:16 is available.

"It is impossible for you to sin" is an error and has 1 John 3:9 KJV to blame for that, it should had being translated correctly as:

"Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God."

No one wants to admit having bad kids, all like to believe their kids are good and butter wont melt in their mouths etc etc

and that such good kids are prone to or occasionally do bad things, so it doesn't necessarily mean they are BAD children.

They are Christians good kids that occasionally do bad things

Remorse or repentance after bad act(s) is the ticket back into loving warm and welcoming hands

Christians have Grace to assist or stop them continuing doing bad things

"but they are not sins for it is impossible for god to sin" is an error too - Eve can testify to this

The serpent spun a similar line like that to Eve too saying ". . . you shall be as gods",

after which Eve was then left to her senses; the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life,

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

We always had and have grace, grace was in Eden back then and so is now.

Birds do not struggle to fly, they fly gracefully.

Christians too should not be struggling with/at anything but be abound with grace

The grace factor is presented again for Christians to live life effortlessly

and when/if Christians do slip, then Hebrews 4:16 states:

"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need"

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR CHIEF MOREDENDISC. IN FACT CHECK OUT THIS LINK http://www.godlovespeople.com/bible/corrupt_versions.htm

IT IS YOU WHO DO ERR CHIEF obadiah777, if you are sticking ONLY with KJV

IN FACT CHECK OUT THIS LINK http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/bible-errors.html

like a broken record ". . . KJV too is no saint, has it's own fair share of errancies. Given the time of day, KJV 8-9 times out of 10, it is OK"

The last word shall be yours

# Shame I couldn't locate my preferred referral link from my bookmarks

obadiah777: DUNNO BOUT YOU CHIEF BUT MY DOUBLE EDGED SWORD HAS TO BE VERY SHARP.
WHATS THE POINT IN GOING TO WAR WITH BLUNT KNIFE ? THE WORDS IN THE BIBLE ARE LIFE, THEY ARE LIKE A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD THAT PIERCES THE ASUNDER OF ANY ENEMY.
THEY CUT THROUGH MARROW AND SOUL. SO WHY WOULD YOU WANT A BLUNT KNIFE ?
CHIEF, THE KJV IS THE ONLY SHARP KNIFE OUT THERE. YOU CANT BE READING BOOTLEGGED BIBLES SMDH

@obadiah777

You err brah, if KJV is all you have in your kit, then you err profusely

No doubt KJV is one mama jama artillery, that carries itself well ONLY when on par

During the few odd moments when it isn't, then referencing other translations (e.g. NIV, ISV etc etc) is required when/where it is mistranslated and hence not producing the correct effect

The other translations are as legit as KJV, obviously the politics, theology, motives, allegiance etc etc differ

US Marines, are they armed with a weapon or weaponry?

obadiah777: CHIEF, IF YOU KNEW THE STORY OF THE KJV YOU WOULD RETRACT YOUR STATEMENT.

AND IF YOU COMPARE THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS WITH BIBLES, KJV IS THE MOST ACCURATE.

@obadiah777

I dey laugh OBJ style

Selective perception in action, hmm,

disregarding & shrugging off ". . . KJV too is no saint, has it's own fair share of errancies. Given the time of day, KJV 8-9 times out of 10, it is OK"

"KJV IS THE MOST ACCURATE" is not a license to ONLY use KJV.

There's a time and a place for everything, KJV is not exempted

advocate666: [size=16pt]I can't see anything wrong with these.[/size]

@advocate666

You probably wouldn't see anything wrong and most likely will consider it to be harmless fun as well.

However, it is a flagrantly contemptible and ridiculously crass public entertainment.

It is an absurd display and gross misrepresentation of God's original design - male and female

It is a warped appearances and twisted imitation of what God had in mind, conceived and created