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obadiah777: BRAH YOU NEED TO QUIT READING SATANIC BIBLES. SOME BIBLES HAVE BEEN TAMPERED WITH. KJV IIS THE ONLY GOOD BIBLE. IN THE KJV THE VERSE IS

PROVERBS 17 VS 8 A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth

@obadiah777

Brah, be wary of being a KJV-onlyist.

KJV too is no saint, as it has it's own fair share of errancies

Given the time of day, KJV 8-9 times out of 10, it is OK

# Example of what DEUTERONOMY 22:5 is about & what it was guarding against

[size=16pt]Arrested for cross-dressing!

Meet Fanny and Stella, the Victorian gentlemen charged with the 'unnatural offence' of being transvestites[/size]

• Frederick Park, 22, and Ernest Boulton, 21, arrested on 28 April 1870
• Apprehended as they were leaving Strand Theatre in London
• Charged with homosexuality and 'conspiracy'
• They were acquitted after the prosecution built a very weak case
• New book by Neil McKenna, Fanny & Stella, tells their amazing story

<sup>By Martha De Lacey

PUBLISHED: 13:18, 1 February 2013 | UPDATED: 16:34, 1 February 2013</sup>

When two glamorous women departed The Strand Theatre in London on 28 April 1870 after a show, passers-by were startled to see them being arrested by police officers.

The women, who had been flirting openly with male members of the audience all evening, had also, unbeknown to them, been the object of the officers' attention throughout the play.

Producing a warrant card and apprehending the ladies, the arresting officer said: 'I'm a police officer from Bow Street, and I have every reason to believe that you are men in female attire and you will have to come to Bow Street with me now.'

The officer was correct in his belief. The "women" were Fanny and Stella, a pair of middle-class gentlemen with a predilection for cross-dressing - and their subsequent court trial for being transvestites scandalised Victorian England.

And now their extraordinary tale has been chronicled in a new book by writer Neil McKenna, author of The Secret Life Of Oscar Wild, entitled Fanny & Stella and published by Faber on 7 February.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/01/article-2271845-17492D2B000005DC-473_634x630.jpg
^{Stella, left, and Fanny, right, the two Victorian men who were arrested and charged}

Fanny and Stella's real names were Frederick Park, 22, and Ernest Boulton, 21.

And on the night in question they were charged with both having sex with each other (homosexuality was a criminal offence until 1967) and also with several counts of conspiracy.

It even emerged police had had their 'dressing-up flat' under surveillance for a year - and that the home secretary himself was encouraging the attorney general to prosecute.

Frederick was the elder of the two, the youngest in a family of 12 children and the son of Judge Alexander Park. His brother Harry had already left England and escaped to Scotland after being arrested for homosexual offences.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/01/article-2271845-17492D1F000005DC-534_306x569.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/01/article-2271845-17492D15000005DC-954_306x569.jpg
^{Ernest Boulton, left, as Stella, and as himself, right}


Ernest, just 20, was the more naturally beautiful of the pair, and very attractive in his feminine guise. The son of a shipping broker, Ernest had a wonderful soprano voice and was determined to be a singer until his father pushed him into a career as a banker.

His most famous lover was Lord Arthur Pelham-Clinton, son of the Duke of Newcastle and godson of Prime Minister William Gladstone.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/01/article-2271845-17492BB7000005DC-300_634x463.jpg
^{Ernest Boulton and Frederick William Park,
also known as Stella and Fanny, arrested at the Strand Theatre for incitement to commit an unnatural offence,
by going around London at night in women's clothes}

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/01/article-2271845-17492BBF000005DC-68_634x609.jpg
^{A drawing of the two female impersonators' dressing room}

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/01/article-2271845-17492C92000005DC-296_634x621.jpg
^{Frederick dressed as Fanny}

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/01/article-2271845-17492BD4000005DC-30_634x708.jpg
^{Frederick Park - pictured as Fanny - went to America with his banished brother Harry & died in New Jersey in 1881}

Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2271845/Arrested-cross-dressing-Meet-Fanny-Stella-Victorian-gentlemen-shocked-Britain-prosecuted-unnatural-offence-transvestites.html

ATMC: Glorious things are spoken of her, tell her to come online and teach me few things, i wanna be a good wife.

@ATMC

Respect and Love - Two ingredients or attributes wives and husbands wrestle with

Some women find respecting their husband an uphill struggle

and some husbands find loving their wives difficult

Mastering them (i.e. these virtues) is a sure banker to be a good wife or good husband

Refer to Ephesians 5:22-33 and 1 Peter 3 1-7 for details

Daniel058 :
moredendisc:

Oh!!! How i wish you re read that portion of the bible and pause for the spirit of God to carry on. Uh!!

@Daniel058

OK. Well, since I've already spoken my piece, I am, now holding my peace. It is well bros

Goshen360: ^
My Oga don enter this thread. Make I step aside. Welcome big bros! Abeg help me carry on please.

My bros, I shouldn't really be posting, each time I say to myself this is my last post, I somehow get sucked back in

Daniel058 :
Please brother/sister,am confused.help me read DEUTERONOMY 22:5,if God have changed his word there,do me favour by leading me to the chapter and if possible the verse.

THANKS my dear bro/sis. Wait to hear from you.....

Daniel058 :
thanks bro!! THEN WHY DO LADIES/PASTOR'S WIFE WEAR TROUSER Even To churches

Daniel058 :
you Can't doubt this"WOMEN ONLY Wear trouser to show their buttocks" and nothing more. Many of them wear the one which shows even the shape of their VIRGINA AND in this you cannot tell me nothing is wrong about wearing trouser 1corinthian 10:31"whether you eat or drink,whatever you do,do it all for the glory of God" col.3:23" Do whatever you do as if you are doing it for the lord" One shouldn't wait to be told that some certain thing are bad before trying to stop it. Ok what will you do/hoW WILL YOU FEEL TO SEE UR Pastor or priest taking INDIAN HEMP BEFORE COMING TO PREACh to You ?? Is it written in the bible that taking indian hemp is bad?? How many girls who dressed well have been raped?? WHY do people hawk their goods Is it not to attrack people to it. Or Do prostitute ever dressed normal ?? Can fowl be attracted to what it did not see ?? Please Rethink brother!!!

@Daniel058

DEUTERONOMY 22:5 is not about lewdness or lascivious acts like you are carrying on over about

You need other scriptures or verses to highlight the grievances on the obscene dressing or indecent exposures

If the prevailing times and period was studied, when the command in DEUTERONOMY 22:5 was issued,

it would have become obvious that the command was about and/or against manful, manly, manlike, manliness (i.e. women having the characteristics of an adult male)

and vice versa (i.e. men having or showing characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; unmanly)

Please dispel the misconception because it really is not about the dresses per se

but rather it is ABOUT cross-gender behavior (e.g. living in the social role of the opposite sex by adopting the clothing, hair styling, gestures, speech patterns, general personality etc etc)

That is what God finds yucky, repulsive, distasteful or disgusting

# SMH. Christendom will continually have it's work cut out if we don't study to show our self approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth

alexleo: YES, MY WIFE. A wonderful woman God gave to me. She loves God and the things of God.

Humble, loving,caring, hardworking, intelligent, enterprising. A good home manager and a true picture of a true child of God.

Twelve years of marriage and still counting, she has been a wonderful wife to me.

I thank God for bringing her into my life. Pleading on all of you here to help me say A BIG thanks to this great woman.

I pray for God's continual blessings upon her life from day to day. In Jesus name. Amen.

frosbel: good testimony !

What can we do without good godly wives

and blessed are all Virtuous Women

Later, the LORD God said,
"It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make the woman to be an authority corresponding to him." - Genesis 2:18 ISV

Whoever finds a wife, finds what is good, and receives favor from the LORD. - Proverbs 18:22 ISV


¹⁰ Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

¹¹ The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

¹² She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

¹³ She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

¹⁴ She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.

¹⁵ She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.

¹⁶ She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

¹⁷ She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

¹⁸ She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.

¹⁹ She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.

²⁰ She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

²¹ She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.

²² She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.

²³ Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.

²⁴ She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.

²⁵ Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.

²⁶ She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

²⁷ She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.

²⁸ Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

²⁹ Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.

³⁰ Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the Lord, she shall be praised.

³¹ Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.- Proverbs 31:10-31 KJV

ItsModella: It's Justus not Justice...kai!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvpzx1L4s88

Tomato tomato

The tabloids cant make up their minds, at times some call him Justus, other times some call him Justice

From 0:23, that is him playing the role of village headmaster of Oja village

@obadiah777

Hmm, memories. I know Rabbi Simon Altaf. Used to watch him, back in the day, on Revelation TV

Trust bodi still dey kampe. huh?

moredendisc: # Given the benefit of doubt maybe he really ONLY wanted to preach to the "proostitute" and nothing else untoward

MrBible: You pastors know each other very well.

@MrBible

Maybe emotions are running deep however fact remains that, only God knows who serves Him and in due time, we all, too, shall know.

MrBible: Those that worship their pastors should remember that these pastors too are sinners just like anyone else.

@MrBible

"Those that worship their pastors should remember that these pastors too can sin are sinners just like anyone else."

Little masterMrBible/missMrBible is a GOOD boy/girl capable of doing bad things and so until that doing-bad-thing moment, he/she remains, still, a GOOD boy/girl and no sinner

frosbel: I don't think we should rejoice when these things happen, though I have my reservations with these sorts of churches and the system in general.

Funny how many Christians and others mock these men in their sin, when in their own private lives, they are p.orn addicts, hand jobbers and lustful gurus.

Let us take heed lest we fall and guard out hearts and ways , by the word of GOD and the power of his Spirit.

Anyone can fall.

"So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!" - 1 Corinthians 10:12

What are we admonished to do for such men.

"Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted." - Galatians 6:1

@frosbel

Hear, hear.

"Do not gloat over me, my enemy! Though I have fallen, I will rise. Though I sit in darkness, the LORD will be my light." - NIV

"Don't laugh at me, my enemies. Although I've fallen, I will get up. Although I sit in the dark, the LORD is my light." - GOD'S WORD Translation

"Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me" - KJV

"Don't be glad on my account, my enemy. When I fall, I'll get up. Though I sit in darkness, the LORD is a light for me." - ISV

- Micah 7:18

MrBible: [flash]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz8OMmqxQ4I[/flash]
Pastor Leo Akpan begins a message teaching how to live a life of excellence in God

Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

a handful of quite charismatic videos he's done on YouTube there

# Given the benefit of doubt maybe he really ONLY wanted to preach to the "proostitute" and nothing else untoward

Goshen360: ^^^ Exactly my thought. What's happening to our people for Christ's sake?

What kind of thing is this?

We can even prove from scriptures that being in Christ doesn't mean one will NEVER have one little problem or the other.

Well, it is well.

Before Christ, God too NEVER suggested a problem free life nor promised a free lunch

And God blessed them, and God said unto them,
Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:
and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
- Genesis 1:28 KJV

Duke_Nija: Is anything wrong with being a Female Pastor? Why don't they just make it a law barring females from the pulpit?

Omo I dey vex!

Goshen360: This Gospel of DISCRIMINATION against women in the body of Christ MUST come to an END! You guys need to understand what Apostle Paul was saying before coming out here to talk. Thank you!

debosky: Going by Paul's words, you cannot but conclude that he did not consider women as Bishops/overseers of a congregation, given that he only mentions men in this role.

As for 1 Timothy 2:11-13, I'm still unclear as to what Paul's intention was here - in one vein it seems he is simply reinforcing the order of Adam before Eve, He does clearly say he doesn't permit - I'm not clear if that is a personal belief or a divine instruction, neither am I clear about how women are 'saved' through childbirth.

Whether he was simply recognising the hierarchy recognised in his day or giving instructions for use in perpetuity, I don't know.

However, we do know that churches met in women's houses - did those women lead those congregations or did men do?

I don't think women praying or prophesying has anything to do with leadership - everyone is enjoined to pray and prophesy - those are completely different from teaching or holding 'authority'.

@Duke_Nija

I empathise with OP Duke_Nija

He doesn't need to explain because I understand really, the frustration!

I will cut to the chase. I will try

Paul has a peculiar style of writing that one needs to be familiar of

Recognising & understanding how Paul composes and writes, is a gift, on its own

¹¹Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection
¹²But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
¹³For Adam was first formed, then Eve
¹⁴And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
¹⁵Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. - 1 Timothy 2:11-15 KJV

The above verse read, this way, is self explanatory

¹¹Without saying something which you should not have said, let the woman gain or acquire knowledge of something by being taught and committing the knowledge to memory, without speaking out of turn
¹²Because I will not tolerate a woman to know something over what the man knows, nor to take a position of power or importance illegally or by force over the man, but rather to keep her peace or hold her peace
¹³Remember, for Adam was first formed and he knew things from God, the things he knew he passed on to Eve, when she Eve was formed after him
¹⁴Now note Adam was not deceived when Eve told him to eat the fruit, but the woman being deceived took a position of power or importance illegally or by force over the man & was violating a law or disobeying a command that said not to eat the fruit.
¹⁵ Notwithstanding she shall be saved off Genesis 3:16 in childbearing , if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

Verse 15 is merely saying the woman will be relieved of the pronouncement of the below Genesis 3:16 by not having to go through "greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children" if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with moderation

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

It is on record that a donkey has taught a man so there is nothing wrong with being a Female Pastor if the male pastors are AWOL or are found not standing

Am sorry, am tired as it is and struggling to post any further

# Bro G I think we already had a camera discussion of this in the past

Image123: the Bible versions talk of Jesus soul in hell in Acts.

where did you get this idea?

@Image123

Exactly what I am trying to clarify & pass on too

I got it from here and there

however the Hades that was translated for Sheol according to Greek Mythology is place when ONLY the bad people end up ( i.e. no souls of good people end up here)

Sheol is a Hebrew word and a Jewish concept. Hades on the other is a greek word and a Greek concept.

In the absence of a better word render, Hades has been used for Sheol in spite of the conflicts in concept or idea

Sheol is original, Hades is make do

Jesus actually went to Sheol and not Hades or Hell

Hades - Look up Hades at Dictionary.com

1590s, from Greek Haides, in Homer the name of the god of the underworld, of unknown origin.
Perhaps literally "the invisible" [Watkins].
The name of the god transferred in later Greek writing to his kingdom.
Related: Hadal (adj.), 1964; Hadean.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Hades

[size=14pt]The word "Hades" in Christian usage in English[/size]

In English usage the word "Hades" first appears around 1600, as a term used to explain the article in the Apostles' Creed, "He descended into hell", where the place of waiting (the place of "the spirits in prison" 1 Peter 3:19) into which Jesus is there affirmed to have gone after the Crucifixion, known as the Harrowing of Hell, needed to be distinguished from what had come to be more usually called "hell", i.e. the place or state of those finally damned.

This development whereby "hell" came to be used to mean only the "hell of the damned" affected also the Latin word "infernum" and the corresponding words in Latin-derived languages, as in the name "Inferno" given to the first part of Dante's Divina Commedia. Greek, on the other hand, has kept the original meaning of "ᾅδης" (Hades) and uses the word "κόλασις" (kolasis – literally, "punishment"; cf. Matthew 25:46, which speaks of "everlasting kolasis" ) to refer to what nowadays is usually meant by "hell" in English.

[size=14pt]Judeo-Christian Hades[/size]
Main article: Hades in Christianity

Hades is the standard translation for Sheol in the Septuagint, Josephus, Philo of Alexandria, and other Jewish works written in Greek.

In the Greek version of an obscure Judaeo-Christian work known as 3 Baruch (never considered canonical by any known group), "Hades" is described as a dark, serpent-like monster or dragon who drinks a cubit of water from the sea every day, and is 200 plethra (20,200 English feet, or nearly four miles) in length.

Like other first-century Jews literate in Greek, early Christians used the Greek word Hades to translate the Hebrew word Sheol. Thus, in Acts 2:27, the Hebrew phrase in Psalm 16:10 appears in the form: "you will not abandon my soul to Hades." Death and Hades are repeatedly associated in the Book of Revelation.

The New Testament uses the Greek word Hades to refer to the temporary abode of the dead (e.g. Acts 2:31; Revelation 20:13).
Only one passage describes hades as a place of torment, the story of Lazarus and Dives (Luke 16:19-31). Here, Jesus depicts a wicked man suffering fiery torment in hades, which is contrasted with the bosom of Abraham, and explains that it is impossible to cross over from one location to the other.

Some scholars believe that this parable reflects the intertestamental Jewish view of hades (or sheol) as containing separate divisions for the wicked and righteous

In Revelation 20:13-14 hades is itself thrown into the "lake of fire" after being emptied of the dead.

In Latin, Hades could be translated as Purgatorium (Purgatory in English use) after about 1200 A.D.,[26] but no modern English translations relates Hades to Purgatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades

Ubenedictus: 10:08 jan 20, i wrote a post, hell, is from d anglo saxon root meaning to hide, hole, hollow and a dark hidden place

hades is frm d root fid, meaning a dark hidden place.

The meaning is d same!

Hell translates hades as literally as posible.

@Ubenedictus

Couldn't resist the urge to ignore this. Incidentally the same pole position Image123 is latched on to

The idea of Hell english word according to Greek mythology original greek word Hades is that ONLY bad people end up there (i.e. no good people ever end up in hell)

The idea of Sheol to the Jews is that bad people & good people ended up there, however they were separated by a chasm or gulf

Hell is a makeshift once and for all translation for Hades, and Hades is the absence of a better word translation of the Hebrew original word Sheol

The translators should have stuck with Sheol instead of trying to translate it

So what's your response to this: Did good people, at some time, ever end up in Hell?

Ubenedictus: interesting u step me up to take a fall, lesson learnt, i'll be more careful.

I thing i notice is u didnt really give me a source dat say gnashing teeth is insulting!

U just gave me ur idea!

That doesnt really help now does it?

@Ubenedictus

It is an idiom, it is not my idea

gnashing of teeth
Figuratively. a show of anger or dismay.
- Biblical: "there will be weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth".

Example: After a little gnashing of teeth and a few threats, the boss calmed down and became almost reasonable.
See also: gnash, teeth

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/gnashing+of+teeth

truthislight: why use the word "hell" in english?

Is it an instruction from the bible that the equivalent english word for Sheol and Hedes should be hell?

Who gave the command that it must be the word hell?

I don't know ooo

You dey mind your man, hmm?

OK about "What is the Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa word for Hades?"

Wasn't that translated to "Orun apaadi" by Bishop Ajayi Crowther?

What is the composition or make up of the english hell? Who are the tenants? Why are they stationed there?

What is the composition or make up of Sheol? Who are the tenants? Why are they stationed there?

manmustwac: Today is Sunday you Christians will go to church to thank God for keeping you alive, putting food in your belly, for the miracles you've experienced, for answering your prayers etc.

You muslims will thank allah for similar reasons.

But then later on this afternoon some of you guys will sit in front of your TV wearing a red tee shirt with the emblem of the devil on it and begin to worship the Red Devils.

My question is how can you guys call yourselves born again christians or good muslims and worship the red devils at the same time?

In Mecca you muslims throw stones at the devil so why worship the devil?

https://www.tribalfootball.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/Person-Medium/manchester-united.jpg

Answers please.

Ghen-ghen!

Quite a numbers of pastors will find themselves guilty of this or quickly change channels when the sheeple walk in on them following ManU

Ubenedictus: sorry my dear friend i dont rely on translations alone, i use a concordance dat remark was directed to d wrong person.


Gnashing of teeth is simply a sign of regret, how does dat concern d fact dat hell render's shoel accurately.

Sorry i haven't been around, my reply may be late.

@Ubenedictus

It is good to know you use concordances lexicons, dictionaries and other helpful resources and I am pleased to hear that

I knew you'll say gnashing of teeth is simply a sign of regret

which is why I provided those verses to confirm.

You didn't let me down

"The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth". - Matt 27:44 KJV

"And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." - Matt 13:42 KJV

"cast the same in his teeth" or "gnashing of teeth" means mouthing off or angry complaining

It also means criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner

Not signs of regret as most have been led to believe in teachings or Sunday School classes but rather it was about been abusive or complaining

Remember what the rich man in Sheol was doing. Yeah he was complaining, gnashing his teeth etc

Can you, now, see how the examples concerns the fact that hell does not render Sheol accurately?

Those verses Matt 27:44 and Matt 13:42, as examples, were brought up to bring attention to the fact that idioms can or were mistranslated, misinterpreted or misunderstood

Sorry, it was a trick question. I know you wouldn't have minded

Let the paradigm shift continue with the way bibles are read and/or with the way teachings, traditions or doctrines are received

alexleo: There is nothing like KJV cult.

What makes you think you are not the one teaching false?

If somebody rejects your false teaching you call him false.

Think balanced my friend.

Some of us cannot be carried away by whatever thing that is false from you.

If you like run through the pages of the bible and gather quotations which you misapply to suit a false idea you are pushing we cant fall for that.

Satan did the same thing when he was tempting Jesus but of course Jesus refused to fall.

Check up satan's bible quotations to Jesus in that temptation, it all appeared fit for what he wanted Jesus to do.

I read kjv and niv ( a translator ones told me that NIV is the closest translation of the original)

but most importantly i take whatever i ve read or heard to God in prayer for the Holy Spirit's guidance.

You remain a mortal like those pastors and its also dangerous for anybody to rely on your teaching.

Anybody who has the Holy Spirit knows that after reading or listening to any biblical teaching he or she will pray sincerely for proper guidance by the Holy Spirit.

He is the one that Jesus said will guide us into all truth.

@alexleo

alexleo. What frosbel meant by KJV cult is that such person is a die hard fan KJV.

That the person is 110% completely loyal to KJV even if faced with truths that KJV is not free from errors

frosbel is on about the sin and really not for now, the pastor sinner.

If pastors are not aware that some of their teachings are based on false or incorrect word translations,

introduction and injection of phantom words by translators who were governed by politics of the day, prejudiced or biased by the theology of the time

then Lord have mercy for Christendom and the sheeple concerned or affected.

All also appeared fit to the translator(s) for want they wanted their readers to do

alexleo, you are on form reading KJV and NIV bibles,

this is commendable & good, all Christians should as you, do this too, but it is better where possible to read all bible translations and/to compare them

What is commonly said is to be a closest translation of the original is KJV, I never heard it debated or said that NIV is the closest translation of the original texts

On the contrary NIV is the worst when is comes to abuse of translating the original with word omissions, missing texts, deleting words etc

What is normally aired is that NIV is easier to read or understand than reading or using KJV

God works in mysterious ways, this might be one of the means awareness is brought to this pandemic in the christian world

The Holy Spirit will guide and lead one to resources and provisions that will expose all wrong translations of WORDS that were the foundations on what false teachings or doctrines were based and built upon

# The road to hell is paved with good intentions that really were lies

truthislight: my friend, do you belief in the immortality of the soul?

^^^
that is a straight forward question i guess

@truthislight

I have just been going through some of deebrain's previous posts and threads

where I found this subject matter has been severely and unashamedly flogged to death, apparently by a handful of contributing posters.

- I think your true self among them too

If I had known this beforehand, I wouldn't have taken part or and even participated this long, on this post or similar ones remotely close

My response to your "my friend, do you belief in the immortality of the soul?" question maybe wrongly interpreted, if not hard to understand,

this is why I deferred or deliberately ignored answering it but since you've itched for an answer

I'll leave the below verse to do justice to your curiosity and question

"Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul.

Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna ..." - Matt 10:28 World English Bible

# I'll leave you with Ezekiel 18:4 and Matt 5:29-30 to carefully weigh over. Hmm. Again God ain't afraid to die. Walking the walk. God is Great.

Image123: have to go now.

@Image123

OK. Godspeed and mind how you go bro.

truthislight: Hell is not a Hebrew word.

On what basis are you reverting Hell to Hebrew?

However, the word Hedes means grave and the word sheol means grave,

sheol is a hebrew word while Hedes is a greek word meaning the same thing in both languages = grave.

So, in translating the bible From Hebrew to Greek, the corresponding word for Hebrew Sheol is Greek Hedes.

However, the word Gehena is reference for fire, but Gehena was a refuse dump sustain by fire outside the walls of Jerusalem.(definitely not an underworld) as such symbolic since those that were reference to being put there were never put there literally.
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Image123: so, what is the english of hades?

what is the Greek equivalent of hell?

what is the meaning of hell?

@Image123

How did I manage to miss reading this brilliant truthislight post

Don't you just love reading that

I love you truthislight however God loves you more

Image123, you should be flabbergasted by now

There is no english word of Hades

You either invent a word in English for Hades or borrow an English word for Hades.

Most translators did the latter, borrowed Hell for Hades

Some translators were honest and put a footnote that Hell actually is or means Hades

"What is the Greek equivalent of hell?"

Hmm. Well, you can carefully or guardedly say Hades.

Took the guardedly position because there is more then the eyes see on word Hades.

The meaning of hell is a place where the unrighteous or wicked are placed in suffering with burning fire

# I wouldn't be surprised if you fish out Luke 16:24 and try waving it my face as a trump or winning card

Image123: what is hell? Jesus the righteous' soul was not left in hell, recall?

@Image123

See no fault of yours though but you have used Hell for Hades

That Acts 2:27 or 31 or verse which you referenced was mistranslated

Hell and Hades are different kettle of fish

Besides having different concepts, plans, intention and locations Hell is a myth, Hades is not.

Image123: yes oh this i know of the normal translators that are masters of many languages with many years of experience speaking, writing and reading, many of whom are also academically qualified and spent many months together working and brainstorming to give us great translations. my questions were to the in-house self_inflicted translators who can't see the clarity that the english word hell is the best word for translating the GREEK word Hades.

@Image123

This attached jpeg picture should shed more light on this matter for you bro.

This is the concept of Sheol or Hades in the original Hebrew or Greek texts

Notice the difference in the concept in relation to what the mythical hell is meant to be, where hell is, what is in hell apart from who is in hell

The mythical hell as the folk tales, goes as is a burning fire or inferno unlike Hades.

Do not mistake Gehenna with Sheol or Hades bro.

Image123: lexicons don't separate false teachings. faith does a better job.

There are many doctors of theology who are not even born again.

@Image123

You're a 100% correct, it is the Spirit of Truth that does guide one in separating false teachings.

Faith in any misleading translation does no one any favours

All Christians worth their salt are theologians

and would as directed or prompted by the Holy Spirit employ whatever means is necessary using lexicons, concordances, dictionaries and what-nots against false teachings or deception

truthislight: "back to dust you say, fine.

But still, why the "gulf"?

Btw. Do you belief in the immortality of the soul?

@truthislight

This is like asking why the glass partition separating Arrivals & Departures at Airports.

"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed:

so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot;

neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence." - Luke 16:26 KJV

"Besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you,

so that those who want to pass over from here to you cannot;

neither can those from there cross over to us.' " - Luke 16:26 Holman Christian Standard Bible

This attached jpeg picture should shed more light on this matter for you bro.

This is the concept of Sheol or Hades in the original Hebrew or Greek texts

Notice the difference in the concept in relation to what the mythical hell is meant to be, where hell is, what is in hell apart from who is in hell

Image123: bring your own translation and let's sieve it. stop all the lazy armchair criticism.

Lexicon and concordance didn't fall from Heaven either BTW.

@Image123

Bro it wouldn't be a panacea if I did do my own translation

Besides I would insert a disclaimer in my translation

and also personally & happily advise putting my translation through sieves using available lexicons, concordances, dictionaries and what-nots

Ubenedictus: The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection. This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.

Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" — Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek — because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God. Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom": "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell." Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.

"The gospel was preached even to the dead." The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfilment. This is the last phase of Jesus' messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ's redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.

Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live." Jesus, "the Author of life", by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage." Henceforth the risen Christ holds "the keys of Death and Hades", so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."

@Ubenedictus

You posted "hell" — Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek

If "hell" — Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek, then answers these questions please

What is the place, where the poor man Lazarus was, called?

What is the place, where the rich man was talking with father Abraham about the poor man Lazarus called?

What is and describe hell?

What is and describe Sheol or Hades?

Ubenedictus: IT IS D SAME TIN,

HELL IS HADES AND HADES IS HELL ACCORDING TO D TRANSLATORS

truthislight: ^^^
lies!

@truthislight

I agree with you , Ubenedictus unwittingly thinks the TRANSLATORS got it right that HELL IS HADES

The closest to hell, that you'll have, will be, the lake of fire also known as The Second death

The ultimate death that kills and will kill death.

Just confirms death is multi-tiered