moredendisc:

@Ubenedictus

I bet you wish its "JUST UR PERSONAL OPINION" bro.

I have much love for you bro but YOYO!

- you're on your own

frosbel:

You have totally lost the plot on this one.

tbh, you are stating what you think and not the reality.

Peter was one of the foremost and trusted apostles , he was not a false prophet.

Ubenedictus:

UR EXPOSITION ON SHOEL AND HADES IS CORRECT,

BUT UR IDEA DAT HELL DEOSNT TRANSLATE D WORDS WELL

ITS JUST UR PERSONAL OPINION AND I BEG TO DIFFER

Image123: BTW, let me ask the self-inflicted rabbis, professors and translators in the house. What is the Hebrew word for 'hell'? What is the english word for 'Hades'?

Ubenedictus: IT IS D SAME TIN, HELL IS HADES AND HADES IS HELL ACCORDING TO D TRANSLATORS

moredendisc:

@Image123

The idea of "hell" does not exist in the Hebrew vocabulary or sphere of life so as a result there is no Hebrew word for hell

Sheol and Hades are similar in place or location and in meaning,

Sheol or Hades is a place where both the righteous and the wicked end up in after death but separated by a gulf

Sheol, is in Hebrew language or Hades is in Greek language

It is safe to say Sheol is Hades and vice versa

Hell like similar imports into Christendom, such as Yuletide etc are myths from other people's cultures

Sheol or Hades and hell are different kettle of fish

The english word hell is not a good render of the word Sheol or Hades

because the righteous and wicked end up in Sheol or Hades albeit separated by a gulf

however supposedly only the wicked end up in hell with no righteous present

shdemidemi:

U need to read abt Peter well. He was one eye opened one eye close when Jesus was with them.

Who wanted to be sure if it was Jesus speakin when their boat trembled,

n when he was told to come he lost faith when the wind started blowing before crying out for Jesus.

he denied Jesus after his death and went back to fishing before Jesus appeared to him that he ressurected.

he was scared to be seen with gentiles,even when he knew they were meant to be part of it.

My point is u must first b a good teacher b4 becoming a false 1.

Most of today's men of God were really born again @ some point.

The love for relevance status n riches are the major causes for d u-turn.

truthislight:

well and fine to me but for your consistence use of the word "Gulf".

I thought that Adam was a wicked person but went to dust?

Ubenedictus:

IT IS D SAME TIN,

HELL IS HADES AND HADES IS HELL ACCORDING TO D TRANSLATORS

truthislight:

^^^
lies!

frosbel:

Lazy student , go online and do your research

moredendisc:

@truthislight

This might help.

You are on a journey flying from one end of earth to the other

You arrive at the airport. Go to "Departure". Check in, go through security checks.

You walk down to the "Departure"lounge.

As you are walking to the "Departure" lounge, in the same airport, you notice there is a glass separating "Arrivals" area and the "Departures" area

The glass separating the "Arrivals" area and the "Departures" area in the airport

is similar to the gulf that made the separation in Hades or Sheol

Hope that helped

Adam's body disintegrated back to dust and like everyone else ended up in Sheol, waiting I guess.

moredendisc:

@Image123

Image123, my dear bro, the "having or burying ones head in the sand" stance na wa ooo.

" . . . make we see, or keep shut" is an ostrich-person refusing to face reality, the truth or accept facts.

Avoiding hearing the truth, especially when ignoring the truth, potentially could be dangerous, is not healthy

The word of God in its original Hebrew or Greek texts is unique (i.e. it is impossible to have an absolute translation)

The reality is that the bible is not exempted from error

because the various bible translations were done based on the widespread theology at the particular translating time or also based on individual religious beliefs and theory

so the need to speak, plead, or argue in favor of [size=20pt]using resources like lexicon, concordances[/size] etc etc of course in-conjunction with the Spirit of Truth

to cross check the accuracies and genuineness of translated words, texts etc of each or whichever bible version used

and confirming whether or not the Hebrew or Greek sentiments, intents etc were carried through.

Every Christians should be putting bibles through sieves

This will separate false teachings and doctrines (e.g. like the introduction of phantom words like hell for Sheol and Hades, among a lot more others into the bible)

# There are a lot more than the eyes see

Zikkyy:

I agree with you on this one not completely sha, but i agree. It's not possible for everybody to learn greek just because we don't trust the versions in circulation. i can just imagine the 75 years old convert in my village (that can't even read or write in English or any language) attempting to translate from the original greek manuscript some people must rely on others and trust that the information being shared is accurate.

frosbel:

KJV cult member , you need a rethink of your false teachings.

Image123:

bring your own translation and let's sieve it. stop all the lazy armchair criticism.

Lexicon and concordance didn't fall from Heaven either BTW.

moredendisc:

@oiseworld

Use resources like lexicon, concordances etc etc; of course in-conjunction with the Spirit of Truth

to cross check the accuracies and genuineness of translated words, texts etc of each or whichever bible version used

and use to confirm whether or not the original Hebrew or Greek sentiments, intents, fact, aim, intentions etc were carried through.

Put the bibles and teachings through sieves

This will separate false teachings and doctrines.

truthislight:

"back to dust you say, fine.

But still, why the "gulf"?

Btw. Do you belief in the immortality of the soul?

Image123:

lexicons don't separate false teachings. faith does a better job.

There are many doctors of theology who are not even born again.

Ubenedictus: IT IS D SAME TIN, HELL IS HADES AND HADES IS HELL ACCORDING TO D TRANSLATORS

moredendisc:

@Image123

You're a 100% correct, it is the Spirit of Truth that does guide one in separating false teachings.

Faith in any misleading translation does no one any favours

All Christians worth their salt are theologians

and would as directed or prompted by the Holy Spirit employ whatever means is necessary using lexicons, concordances, dictionaries and what-nots against false teachings or deception

Image123:
yes oh this i know of the normal translators that are masters of many languages with many years of experience speaking, writing and reading, many of whom are also academically qualified and spent many months together working and brainstorming to give us great translations. my questions were to the in-house self_inflicted translators who can't see the clarity that the english word hell is the best word for translating the GREEK word Hades.

moredendisc:

@Image123

The idea of "hell" does not exist in the Hebrew vocabulary or sphere of life so as a result there is no Hebrew word for hell

Sheol and Hades are similar in place or location and in meaning,

Sheol or Hades is a place where both the righteous and the wicked end up in after death but separated by a gulf

Sheol, is in Hebrew language or Hades is in Greek language

It is safe to say Sheol is Hades and vice versa

Hell like similar imports into Christendom, such as Yuletide etc are myths from other people's cultures

Sheol or Hades and hell are different kettle of fish

The english word hell is not a good render of the word Sheol or Hades

because the righteous and wicked end up in Sheol or Hades albeit separated by a gulf

however supposedly only the wicked end up in hell with no righteous present

Image123:

what is hell? Jesus the righteous' soul was not left in hell, recall?

truthislight:

Hell is not a Hebrew word.

On what basis are you reverting Hell to Hebrew?

However, the word Hedes means grave and the word sheol means grave,

sheol is a hebrew word while Hedes is a greek word meaning the same thing in both languages = grave.

So, in translating the bible From Hebrew to Greek, the corresponding word for Hebrew Sheol is Greek Hedes.

However, the word Gehena is reference for fire, but Gehena was a refuse dump sustain by fire outside the walls of Jerusalem.(definitely not an underworld) as such symbolic since those that were reference to being put there were never put there literally.
Peace

moredendisc:

@Image123

See no fault of yours though but you have used Hell for Hades

That Acts 2:31 verse which you referenced was mistranslated

Hell and Hades are different kettle of fish

Besides having different concepts, plans, intention and locations Hell is a myth, Hades is not.

Image123:
so, what is the english of hades? what is the Greek equivalent of hell? what is the meaning of hell?

moredendisc:

@Image123

See no fault of yours though but you have used Hell for Hades

That Acts 2:31 verse which you referenced was mistranslated

Hell and Hades are different kettle of fish

Besides having different concepts, plans, intention and locations Hell is a myth, Hades is not.

truthislight:

Hell is not a Hebrew word.

On what basis are you reverting Hell to Hebrew?

However, the word Hedes means grave and the word sheol means grave,

sheol is a hebrew word while Hedes is a greek word meaning the same thing in both languages = grave.

So, in translating the bible From Hebrew to Greek, the corresponding word for Hebrew Sheol is Greek Hedes.

However, the word Gehena is reference for fire, but Gehena was a refuse dump sustain by fire outside the walls of Jerusalem.(definitely not an underworld) as such symbolic since those that were reference to being put there were never put there literally.
Peace

Image123:

so, what is the english of hades?

what is the Greek equivalent of hell?

what is the meaning of hell?

Image123:

have to go now.