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obadiah777: NOTHING IN THOSE VERSES SPEAKS ABOUT ORDINANCES SIRE

obadiah777: Sire, scripture says so as to bring uniformity when bringing the gentiles under the law with the jews, the ordinances are abolished for both sides so as to meld both sides without expecting gentiles to do jewish ceremonial rites. so now both sides are only bound by the moral laws. hence uniformity

ephesians 2 vs 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

obadiah777: i believe the ordinances are done away with sire. 2 EPHESIANS 2 VS 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;

obadiah777: LOL RIGHT SIRE ? it was a refreshing response. i was expecting some serious ubiquitous nairaland scoffing. i was getting ready to start throwing jabs from my mental arsenal of scriptures and then i saw the response.

obadiah777: ahhhhhhhh sister with the first three lines of your post i can tell you are enlightened and annointed. your spiritual eye is very sharp. a lot of people in darkness scoff at this type of information. how you pulled out obama challenging russia to a pissing contest ? thats your spiritual eye that brought you to that conclusion from reading my post

obadiah777: words of wisdom sire. * following *

mondi_cheeks: can u be my best friend please

Bidam: Yeah,thank God Jesus did not manufacture any new words to defeat satan, He just quoted moses

Goshen360: SMH

Goshen360: Yes my brother. We really have to hear what our brother shdemidemi have to say on that 2 gospels thing. Like I said on one thread, I'm trying to understand him but not yet. If I'm to explain or interpret things, I would say the gospel preached under the law changed because of what Christ did on the cross as finished works.

Maybe that's what or how our brother shdemidemi is explaining it in his own understanding but I, personally will love to follow a good explanation from him in that aspect so others can weigh what he really meant.

*** over to you, @ shedemidemi ***

Goshen360: Bidam, first I, from the light of scriptures do have issues with anyone NOT ministering the new testament. This is mot to mean we can't quote or teach the old testament but what is the complete revelation of the old we quote or teach in the light of the new?

JesusisLord85: I'm glad you quoted that. Did you know that the pre-tribulation rapture is a 200 year old theory? Do you believe in that?

Keeping torah was part of life for 1st century believers. GO and read what constantine and other roman rulers did. Jewish customs are at odd with Roman pagan traditions. And you have us believe that these people preserved the truth? Get real brother

JesusisLord85: hahahaha
We Nigerians (and various other groups of africans) circumcise and name our children on the 8th day beause this is one of the traditions our ancestors clinged to, after being "scattered" to the corners of the earth. We are Hebrews

DrummaBoy: So its a new doctrine after all!

There is this lady that quoted Gbile Akaani once and said something like this "If it is true, it is not new; if it is new beware, it has the high likelihood of not being true"

There is nothing new about the doctrine of grace; What is new is this keeping of the Torah after salvation.

I have asked others and they had no answers to it, so I ask you too. You want us to keep the Torah. Fine. Which one of the Torah laws should we keep? And if we are not to keep every one of them, will we not be doing injustice to the scriptures below:

mondi_cheeks: Why did the chicken eat the frog?

JesusisLord85: yes, I saw it too so I decided to have a look because it was sound doctrine. Kudos to the brother

DrummaBoy: And you insist that Paul's letters are not scripture.

JesusisLord85: Why do they like to argue about 'keeping the whole law'
Did not David commit adultery. Did not Abraham give his wife away to save his own skin.
Nobody was justified by keeping the law, no man can boast before God. Before Christ, they were saved by faith. After Christ, we are saved by faith. Only difference for the lawless is that they say they are now saved without any works.

1 John 2:4 "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him"

JMAN05: MostHigh.

>> If the LAW ended after jesus so called death then why did
paul and the apostles obey it till the end?>>

when u say obey, I guess u mean obey the whole law, not part of it? I know where u will quote, but please quote them lets discuss it.

<<Why is the prophetic priesthooed of ezekiel 44 obeying the
commandments and laws of the most high God?
The prophetic kingdom of heaven revealed in prophecy has
the TORAH as its constitution and all of scripture attests to
this.>>

are u ready to discuss it?

<<You are no prophet else you would have known this
You mr man are the Lawless man.>>

how do you know that am not? what do you understand by the word prophet as used in the scriptures? I might as well say you are lawless too, now will that statement make sense without a proof?

<<My advice to the lawless children is to stop the play of
words, this is the true sign of the greek or gentile man. just
talk for talking sake.
For the jew there has to be closure.>>

You shoulf check and see whether you are not the lawless child.

<<Your play of words is leading you away from the true purpose
Which is to live by the example set before you by Yashua
and the apostles
Instead of arguing endlessly about what the words in thier
letters mean.>>

If someone come and tell you that the Torah never prophesied about Yashua, will you accept it as true so that you will focus on the example set before you?

what if the example you think is set by the apostles is proven wrong by another person, will you accept it as true, without wanting to prove ur point beyond reasonable doubt?

<<Thier words can never replace the torah dont be fooled>>

I never it will, so am not fooled. however, dont be fooled as to the purpose of the law.

DrummaBoy:

JesusisLord85: ...for the simple minded

DrummaBoy: End of discussion!

That is to say, the objective of this discussion has been fulfilled by the masters themselves!!

E ku ise Oluwa O; may your tribe not end on nairaland.com!!!

obadiah777: indeed sire. top of the morning. whats good with ya ? weekend again huh ? lol. what you got planned for the weekend ? a peppersoup joint or two

JMAN05: my brother, like i said before, address my responds one after the other. with that step, our discussions will be meaningful.

if u had done that way, u wouldnt have ran into the problem of responding out of point, just like you did above.

You are quoting the words of Jesus to support that Jesus was not against the law and my "note" above addresses that point that Jesus was not against the law. the law ended AFTER his death. didnt I say so?

my brother, "telos" primary mean "end". the other one is "goal to end" not JUST goal. (exrgetic dictionary of the NT). from the context of that romans, end is the logical word to pick. can you say "I am... the beginning and the 'goal to end (or goal) (telos)'"? rev. 21:6. the context shows that end is the logical word. Strongs 5056: "(to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit ie (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state...".

basically when something reaches its goal it ends. that is the sense telos convey. so the law points to Christ and ends after his death cos it has fulfilled its purpose. like i said above.

please please and please, attend to my points one after the other just like i did above as this makes for a logical discussion. if not one could omit points
made by the other person.

I have replies to all ur submission, but please follow that format in replying to my comments, so that we will apply reason when making any piece of statement and direct to the issue presented by the other person.

please do.

JesusisLord85: I took this off wikipedia so no one can say I am biased:

Torah (/ˈtɔːrə/; Hebrew: תּוֹרָה, "Instruction", "Teaching" is a central concept in the Jewish tradition. It has a range of meanings: it can most specifically mean the first five books of the Tanakh, it can mean this plus the rabbinic commentaries on it, it can mean the continued narrative from Genesis to the end of the Tanakh, it can even mean the totality of Jewish teaching and practice.[1] Common to all these meanings, Torah consists of the foundational narrative of the Jewish people: their call into being by God, their trials and tribulations, and their covenant with their God, which involves following a way of life embodied in a set of religious obligations and civil laws (halakha).

TO me, it is the word of God. The first five books of the old testament. As I posted, the pharisees so no distinction between their traditions (traditions of man) and the written torah.
Even Paul used to be zealous for traditions of man before he was converted, to the true faith:

Galatians 1:13-14 " For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: 14 and profited in the Jews’ religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers."

And of course, there is the Pharisees talking to Jesus:

Matthew 15:2-4 "Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"

When we talk of bondage, it is Pharisaic Judaism that are referring to, not the word of God, that would be blasphemy
These Pharisees had a list of laws, e.g. they decided how far one could walk on a Sabbath day.

Dzany: he may not have sinned either............he may be born blind becouse he require it for his spiritual maturity....not all birth defects are as a result of sin from previous lives..........the possibilties (other couses) are wide!.........

Obadia....i assume u know that words(both written and expressive) can also b a burden to spiritual ascent........

U might want to slow down on some things that will hinder d (spiritual)maturity of some peeps here..hence your ascent will be tied to them

consider what is important to thier growth for now and leave the rest
one earth-life is not enuf for all these!