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obadiah777: [b]ok so the first question you ask is how do you get saved ?. well i can tell you for a fact that getting saved is not as simple as going on your knees and begging for forgiveness of sins as they preach in church. oh no sir, that is doctrine of demons made to keep you thinking you are saved. first of all so many people dont understand what the word saved means. if you walk out of your door and get hit by a car and end up dead or in hospital ? you are not saved. if you end up dying of food poisoning ? you were not saved. to be saved is not as trivial as christians make it out to be. to be saved means you are no longer a terrestrial body. you are now a celestial body. you are completely saved from the world now. no one can touch you. nothing in the world can touch you. you are above the world. you are a gOD walking on earth with several layers of protection from the lord. no human can kill you. no food can poison you. you are SAVED from the world. you are now a god on earth. that is what it means to be saved. you are bullet-proof. you are now a heavenly being [/b]

so how do you acquire this celestial body ? you tow the path of the lord and obey his ways until your death bed. you are saved in death. once you die in this truth ? you are saved forever and your work ( being saved ) carries through to all the lives you would have after that. anytime you are born on to the earth ( yes reincarnation is real and we can gointo that too ) you are born a celestial being because you have been saved in death from previous life

revelation 14 vs 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

AND YES THERE ARE CELESTIAL BEINGS WALKING AMONGST US TODAY WHO HAVE BEEN SAVED FROM PREVIOUS LIFE

Say on prophet of the most high God !!

obadiah777: hey brother most high whats good sire. i just took a power nap. just woke up

Feels good to have you back online as always.

obadiah777: ahhhhh see the lord is spiritually gathering you into his fold 1 john 4 vs 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us.

True talk Sire.

Tgirl4real: This explanation/interpretation is CLASSIC.

Chei! OBADIAH!!! lol


hmmm.... it makes sense though.

Q: Is the red sea not real as in geographically?

Q: Why was that passage written in simple term like you explained it? why was it allegorical?

You are really buzzing today what gives?

Still its a good thing.

Pastor Olu T: sorry for my slow processing, what seems to be the reality being neglected?

The position of the PASTORS and the so called doctors of the LAW seeing that the sit in yashua's seat.

Pastor Olu T: What's the point of the op?

Its an effort at reversing the desensitisation process.

To enable true believers to be more concious of the realities around them.

mmark12: BURUTUKU AT WORKS

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Bidam: this a new one,never heard of it.Can you explain further?

Samuel was a nazerite priest and Eli was a levite priest.

These 2 priesthoods both have different ordinances

The ordinances are detailed in the verses I quoted numbers 6 and numbers 18

1.Yashua and all his desciples are nazerite acts 21

2.joseph is a nazerite gen 49:26

3.John the baptist is a nazerite luke 1:15

4.Daniel meshach and abednego also nazarites Dan 1:8

6.Moses and Aaron instituted the nazerite order num 21:8

The nazarite is the king prophet priest.

Tgirl4real: So, those that will be thrown into the lake of fire will burn forever and ever?

They will be cast under the ground for 1000 yrs (literally) after which there will be a GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT. kindly google that for further research.

christemmbassey: i tot u av anything morf than ur normal iocoberent bablings, chew on what ive said, did thf law permit anyone outside levi's to be a priest?

Which kind reasoning be this sef

These wannabe goshens are so annoying

ok I will answer your kweshun

yes the law does permit people outside the tribe of levi to be priests

These priests are called nazerites and the are of the order of melchizedek

The levitical priests are of the order of arron

numbers chapter 6 reveals the ordinances for the nazerite priesthood

Numbers chapter 18 reveals the ordinances of the levitical priesthood

Please ensure this does not go over the top of your head, try and meditate, research and study it before you respond.

Just so you are not arguing blindly as usual

Tgirl4real: Yes, it is.
So, you support that the soul is immortal?

As per your first response, I later saw your input but was too lazy to copy n paste. I will respond shortly.

Absolutely, the soul is immortal.

Even metaphysics and the sciences teach that energy cannot be created nor destroyed only transferd

Tgirl4real: OK. Cos I think u only quote from the old testament.

No such thing as Old testament, thats like saying God made a mistake

Torah is the operative word.

The word is 1

Dont take it apart dont abuse it

mmark12: men oh men

MOSTHIGH IS CURRENTLY HIGH ON BURUKUTU

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Tgirl4real: Can you edit your post please, I can hardly make out your response? Thanks

Also, You didn't answer that last question properly o.

I mean if u have overcome spriritaul death, what is the need for you to taste physical death?

Apologies for the way the response came, if you look closely I started all my responses with my screen name
mosthigh:

regarding you last question let me try and answer this another way

What humans call physical death is only a transition, and this transition is inevitable even methusela had to move on.

So you see it is about a need to taste death,but rather it is about the natural occurence of things.

The Jews refer to this transition as Olam Haba, or world to come the afterlife

The afterlife Simply put is the reincarnated SOUL

Hope that was more helpfull

christemmbassey: the truth must bf told however hard, Check out the reaction of the jews each time Jesus healed on the sabbath, what about harvesting on a sabbath? And or his priesthood, was Jesus from the tribe of Levi? Ynu dont know ur Mosaic law, odawise u'd realise that there was nothing like "temper justice with mercy", guy it was called 'LAW OF SIN AND DEATH', if you sin, you must die , no mercy. Try again

Ignorance is no bliss I tell you

Mat 23:1 ¶ Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,


Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:


Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Is the bolded instruction from the master not directed to you as well??


The children of the litle horn are burning in Fire

Tgirl4real: Is this not what we see today in our churches...MOG parading themselves like masquerades in expensive outfits, fleet of expensive cars and private jets...their god is their belle.

Which book of scriptures did you quote from sir?

Mathew verse 23

Tgirl4real: May be I don't. That is why I am asking.




hmm...




<sup>Yea, That's the scripture I was referring to. I read it again and saw that it's "he that overcometh..."

If lawlessness is spiritual death and spiritual death is the first death and the 144,000 have overcome the first death - spiritual death (i.e. they kept the law and are not lawless), right?), where does the second death now come in?</sup>



Mosthigh:Celestial bodies AKA heavenly bodies or ressurected bodies etc do not percieve the second death AKA PHYSICAL DEATH as the end.

It is more of a transitional phase between this world and the world to come (Olam Ha-Ba)

Hence yashuas statement in john 10 telling us that because he has overcome the world he can go and come as he pleases, this is true for all followers of yashua.

^{Secondly, if the 144,000 are male, what happens to people like me?}




Mosthigh: Well we can deduce from deutronomy 19:6 that the initial plan was for a THEOCRATIC KINGDON, by theocracy we mean the rule of the father in the home as priest and king and the most high over the father..

1Cr 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God. this is the theocratic order of things.

The request of deutronomy 19 was rejected outright and the people instead demanded for a priesthood to be put over them, a priesthood to cleanse them from thier sins (folly)

The 144 thousand individuals represent 144 thousand family names

To be more precise Isa 4:1 ¶ And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

So you see my sister no woman enters the kingdom of heaven on her own she must be coverd by a man, be it father, husband or sibling



^{Over him Yeshua or over me his follower?}



Mosthigh:Both That is if you are a true follower



^{Is this you speaking or Yeshua?}


mosthigh:Both And I Proclaim it with conviction

The second death has no power over you cos you have overcome the first death which is the spiritual death...Ohh! I see... I get it now.

^{Hmmm..here is a naughty one, if you have overcome the first death ( which leads to physical death, are you gonna live to see Jesus' second coming?}

Mosthigh:That one my sister is my constant prayer,He says seek my face daily and that is what I am doing.

The second death is but an illusion

obadiah777: TIS A GOOD QUESTION YOU ASKED ABOUT JOHN 1 VS 29 The next day John saw Jesus coming unto him, and said, Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.. SEE THE MISTAKE SO MANY PEOPLE MAKE IS THINKING WE ARE TO WORSHIP CHRIST THE MAN. THIS IS IDOLATRY. IN FACT YOU ARE NOT TO MAKE GRAVEN IMAGES OF HIM. CHRIST IS NOT A MAN TO YOU. WHAT IS HE ? >>>> JOHN 1 VS 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, <<< HE IS THE WORD. THE BIBLE.
REVELATION 19 and his name is called The Word of God.

SO CHRIST THE WORD OF GOD ( BIBLE ) IS THE ONE WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD. AND HOW DOES HE DO THAT ? BY YOU GETTING IN THE WORD, STUDYING TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED AND THEN OBEYING THE LAWS IN IT. THE WORD OFFERED YOU A PLATFORM FOR YOU TO TAKE YOUR SIN AWAY. WAS NOT THE CASE WITH THE GENTILES WHEN ONLY THE JEWS WERE UNDER THE LAW. THE GENTILES DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR SINS TAKEN AWAY BY THE WORD ( CHRIST )

Yes prophet.

obadiah777: VERY POIGNANT POST SIRE. YOU HAVE SPOKEN WELL. YOU ARE THE TRUE SON OF YOUR FATHER. YASHUA THAT IS . TOP OF THE MORNING TO YOU SIRE.

Greetings beloved brother and top of the morning to you also.

I am only a vessel brother, the words are not mine.

Call it possession if you like, but it has to be said.

These folks dont know how fast time is running out the elect are being woken from slumber and being SEALED.

We can only pray.

shdemidemi: Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.



How una dey, I just paste passage from bible there as I dey waka pass..........

As usual always out of context.

"Propitiation means the turning away of wrath by an offering. In relation to soteriology, propitiation means placating or satisfying the wrath of God by the atoning sacrifice of Christ."

If yashua be a sacrifice for your sins then what sacrifice ARE YOU AS A PRIEST SUPPOSED TO OFFER [/b]and why offer any sacrifice at all seeing he has paid the price?

Rom 12:1-2 I urge you, then, brothers, remembering the mercies of God,[b] to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, dedicated and acceptable to God; that is the kind of worship for you, as sensible people.

You cannot keep on sacrificing if you truly belive he was sacrificed for your sins

Get it?

Tgirl4real: Mosthigh of NL, are you purposely ignoring scriptures or you read a different bible? And i am asking sincerely.

How do we explain the several scriptures like - John 1: 29, that talk about Jesus dying for our sins?

I just read your post again...

Is the physical death the wages of our sin?

If Jesus' death profits me nothing, why did he say those that believe and [b]follow him [/b]will not taste of the second death?

If I remember correctly the masters exact request is

1. DENY YOURSELF

2. CARRY YOUR CROSS

3. FOLLOW ME

Follow him to where? Galgotha?

Or is it Asokoro or Lekki?

Why are you pretending you dont understand the masters words?

Taking away the sins of the world means he has set the right example for all to follow

Those who are wise will follow in his exact footsteps no joke.

And this will bring about a new heaven and a new earth

the rest will burn in fire.

Regardin the the wages of sin:

To answer you question directly, spiritual death is the the true wage of sin

Lawlessness is spiritual DEATH

Spiritual death ultimately leads to physical death as is testified in the book of genesis.

Now from prophecy we see that only 144 thousand males will truly follow yashua in his footsteps these ones have overcome the 1st death which is spiritual.

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death [/b]hath no power." Revelation 20:6

He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the [b]second death." Revelation 2:11

Try and read John 10:18 again Yashua is proclaiming to the wise that the second death hath no power over him

Just as I testify to you that the 2nd death hath no power over me, I will speak the truth to the end even if it means being slain and this is why my father loves me and because of this love it is almost impossible for the plans of the evil ones to succeed.

I am not worried for the hairs on my head are numberd

Its a state of mind.

christemmbassey: Jesus was NOT obedient to the LAW of Moses, he actually preached and acted against it. He healed three times on the sabbath, entered farm on sabbaht, he prevented the killing of a lady caught in adultery, he preached against an eye for an eye, divorse and lived against the instituted levitical priesthood, he was not a levite but he performed the BIGEST, MOST APPROPRIATE AND MOST ACCEPTABLE sacrifice. Why dont you reject his sacrifice bc according to ur moses law, the priesthood was given ONLY TO THE LEVITES FOREVER?

Abeg no use laugh take finish person

Even the most liberal progressives would find it difficult to swallow such falsehood

The bolded is [b]one of the wackiest [/b]I have ever heard from your group and my response is:

John 8:46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me?

1. So because yashua shhowed mecy and healed on the sabbath he is in opposition of the law?


2. So because yashua spoke against the traditions of men "AND NOT THE LAW ITSELF AS YOU DECIETFULLY CLAIM" he is in opposition of the LAW?

3. Why is your heart black because yashua does good works? he tenderd justice with mercy in the case of the adulterer would you rather he had condemmed her to death? and how does that translate to opposition of the law?

It must have taken you a lot of courage to type such falsehood.

But you have already recieved your reward.

By the words of your mouth you atre judged

Bidam: Yeah,lemme add this scriptures for the scoffers.Acts 5:29

Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men

Spot on.

JMAN05: Pls carefully select my comments above. they reoccurred. am still learning how to use the font tools here.

The theme of the post is not SALVATION but OBEDIENCE.

Obedience is the key.

We all know we are saved by our faith in Yashua, but that does not warrant lawlessness.

Be obedient as your proffessed master and all the postles with him are obedient Math 5:17

The OP has shown all of you where the apostles all agrred to be obedient

But you keep on letting it go OVER YOUR HEADS

I wonder why.

HenryQuest: http://www.punchng.com/news/mob-beat-policeman-to-death-for-killing-trader/
http://212breakingnews..co.uk/2013/08/mob-lynch-policeman-to-death-for.html?m=1

It is only the beginning

Bidam: LWKMD! Even shdemidemi calls himself a dog,i guess they will disagree on this one.

They surely will

They lack conviction.

mahdino: If u want salvation u have to keep the laws and commandments that's what Jesus said in matt:5:17-19
Jesus is the master we have to follow him no matter how many people said the laW is nailed to the cross Jesus is the master we have to follow him.

From that same verse the master says we should put them under our feet.

Those who openly speak against the LAW tthat is.

But that message goes over thier heads like the gulfstream

For men so loved the darkness.

DrummaBoy: The award for biggest insult will go to your comrade in Judaism and not me; I do not go beyond scriptures to 'describe' your type.

And as for Bidam and Alwaystrue, whom you claim 'sanctioned' me yesterday; it simple: I didn't reply the former bc I have told him in another thread I am done with him on this forum. As for the latter: one could tell that emotions were already rising and to reply her will lead to such exchanges that will not edify. Of all of U, she alone says what is closest to sense but even at that she has a great deal to learn.

I cannot be sanctioned my friend here; I am free as a bird. Except I sanction myself: which I will do now. Like Demi before now, this post marks my last post on this thread.

Enjoy your judaistic Christianity.

Ignorance is no excuse

You have been warned.

JesusisLord85: The tithe was for the Israelites in the land of Israel to pay the levites, as they did not inherit a share of the land, so that would not have made sense.
Keeping the commandments is mentiones many times throughout the new testament. Do a new testament keyword search for 'commandments' and you will see what I mean.
I explained why the council focussed on three things (all three came from Torah) for the gentiles to observe immediatey. They said they would learn the rest as they learn the law, which is preached every sabbath. Not much more to say on that I'm afraid sir

My brother you are talking of keyword search, these men are too dark.

They tremble at the thought of what such an assingment may reveal.

For men so loved the darkness.

Tgirl4real: Hold on sir, have I ever said anywhere that we should not work in God's way?

Well, for me, that is not the bone of contention.

I will check out your thread.

TTYl.

You and your friends cannot define Gods way

Gods way is already written in stone

Who wan come change am?

The little horn of daniel 7 the same person as the lawless man of 2 thess 2 is the one PROPHESISED TO DO THIS.

He will try so hard to pollute and change Gods LAW

But the lawless are not CONCERNED with prophecy.

The master has tarried too long, he shall not return

But I tell you even if he tarry he will surely come

Tgirl4real: Ok. I guess this answers the question I just asked.

But, it is clear from the New testament itself that homosexuality and sexual sin in general are to be condemned.

If it was that clear then when the umwise dey ask the master the same questionS ABOUT MORALITY AND SIN he should have just spoken from the heart.

But No!

He used the word of God, even when he was tempted he still [b]quoted verses from the torah [/b]to drive the devil away

But no Goshen and his desciples are [b]wiser than thier professed master [/b]hence thier new found God that they worship

If temptation comes your way as it did the master in the exact same way or circumstances,WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO RESPOND WITH THE SAME VERSES WITH CONVICTION?

I think not, you all profess with your mouths that God is dead and there is a new God in town

LWKP

JesusisLord85: For those who did not have the benefit of reading Paul's letter, what do you think they read every sabbath?
The Torah is God's word, his instructions. The same thing talked about in John 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.".

This word was made flesh.
verse 14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

The word of God is suficient. Paul attempted to explain these things to the gentiles. But in 2000 years, and via gentile lenses, his messae has been lost.

As far as the goshen and his desciples are concerned all those people were just pretending to observe the law "untill the fullness of pauls message was recived"

Anathema.

Paul has no message BUT THE MESSAGE OF YASHUA to BRING the GENTILES into the fold of ISREAL

Please note that all end time prophecy speaks of ISREAL and not a CHURCH

You cannot through wishfull thinking Convert ISREAL TO A CHURCH

Woe unto those that say they are jews but they are not


Woe Woe Woe.