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christemmbassey: i av bn avoiding to av direct conversation with u, cos i suspected ur cognitive process, ok, lets see if u're diff from most high. Acts 13:39 "and by him all that BELIEVE are JUSTIFIED from ALL THINGS from which ye could NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES". Acts 15:10 "now therefor whv tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the discitples, which neither our fatherr nor we were able to bear? ". Gal 3:2 this only will i learn of you, RECIEVED YE THE SPIRIT BX THE MORKS OF THE LAW, OR BY THE HEARING OF FAITH?, .Gal 3:10 for as many ar are of the works of the LAW AQF UNDER CURSE, for it is written, cursed is everyone that continued not in ALL THINGS WHICH AIE WRITTEN IN THE BONK OF THE LAW TO DO THEM. 11 but that no man is justified by the LAW in the sight of God, ........ 26 for ye are all the children of God BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS. Gal 4:9 but now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements whereuntn ye desire again to be in BONDAGE?, Gal 5:1 stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage, 3:for i testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is debtor to the wholf LAW. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, who so ever of you are justified ky the LAW, YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

Whichh kind mumu talk be this one

Follow the leader. follow yashua and stop this your nonsense talk.

That should be simple enough for you, why make life so complex?

The more excuses you come up with to be lawless the the more you condemn yourself

For by the words of your mouth you are judged.

JesusisLord85: LWKMD!
As I rode to work the yesterday I actually walked through this guys logic in my head.

God gave the Law. He gave the prophets, who gave prophecies of what MUST come to pass. John the baptist came as prophecied. Christ fulfills first three prophetic feast days, and then 50 days later pentecost is fulfilled (holy spirit came to the JEWS).
While Christ was on earth, he taught the people, as propecied.
But shdemidemi reckons that was for the Jews ony, and after the resurrects they should discard all that. But who should discard it? The Jews, or everyone. As he often said the Torah is for the Jews to continue in.
SO Paul converts from Judaism (to some new religion). And yet, Peter, on who Christ said, on this rock I will build my congregation (original text did not read 'church'), is still teaching Judaism, except saying that their prophecied Messiah has come and they should believe in him and walk in his ways.
So there is a fork in the road. Paul supposedly has tis epiphany that the law is nonsense and all you must do is believe in Christ, no works required to prove your faith though - wide is that gate.

It is mesmerizing, and hilarious. No wonder modern Jews can never accept their 'Jesus'. The Jesus they describe is not that which was prophecied - that is because they formed him and his character in their minds. Oh the gentiles!

It is a Very very wide gate they are passing brother.


The numbers give them a false sense of security.

shdemidemi: These two boys have succeeded in proving their notoriety. I am sure you are both proud of yourselves right now, you are the greatest examples and replicas Jesus could have entrusted with his gospel.

Is it the gospel of PAUL or the gospel of YASHUA?

Confused.com

Bidam: Let me help your ignorance by posting an article from Wikipedia.

Adherence by Gentile Christians to Torah Laws intended for Gentiles

The "three exceptions" resolved by the Council of Acts 15 indicate that the apostles accepted that those portions of the Law of Moses (the Torah) intended for Gentiles (later known as the Laws of Noah) would apply to Gentile Christians. Extra-Biblical evidence shows that, at least in some areas (especially in the East), this included observances beyond the three exceptions, such as a Christianized form of Passover, Day of Atonement, and Sabbath. But other Gentile Christian communities (especially in the West), evolved in an increasingly anti-Jewish direction that interpreted Paul's teaching to mean that all Torah Laws are redundant "now that Salvation by Faith is available through Jesus' atoning death". From this latter point of view, any practice associated with Judaism came to be seen as a rejection of God's salvific gift, even the prohibition of blood which is listed among the "three exceptions" in Acts 15 (though the prohibition of blood was only rejected in the Western Church and not until the Middle Ages). While Acts 15 gives an example of what new Believers were subject to when entering the house of God, verse 21 states that the Gentiles would learn the ways of Moses the way it's been done. The prohibitions against fornication and idolatry are still observed by most Christian denominations even though they originated as Jewish law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaizers

You are free to call me whatever you like i don't really care,i just follow what is written in my bible with the help of the Holy Spirit.

This post is like music to my soul

Thank you.

JesusisLord85: haha well said, echoing the Most High Yahweh

John 8:38-47
" I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father.

Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Pentacost moment sire

The master chastiseth... if only shdemidemi was a child of abarahm

Then he would live as abraham lived

Obedient to the end.

But guess what shdemidemi knows more than yashua ibn joseph

Herein lies his folly

shdemidemi: These two boys have succeeded in proving their notoriety. I am sure you are both proud of yourselves right now, you are the greatest examples and replicas Jesus could have entrusted with his gospel.

Here comes the grasshopper move

christemmbassey: @Bidam, are u a judaizer too? Minus thf love of tithe.

Confused.com

mmark12: oh boy at the last day devil go reject some people, Obadiah 777

Scoffer.

JesusisLord85: LWKMD!
As I rode to work the yesterday I actually walked through this guys logic in my head.

God gave the Law. He gave the prophets, who gave prophecies of what MUST come to pass. John the baptist came as prophecied. Christ fulfills first three prophetic feast days, and then 50 days later pentecost is fulfilled (holy spirit came to the JEWS).
While Christ was on earth, he taught the people, as propecied.
But shdemidemi reckons that was for the Jews ony, and after the resurrects they should discard all that. But who should discard it? The Jews, or everyone. As he often said the Torah is for the Jews to continue in.
SO Paul converts from Judaism (to some new religion). And yet, Peter, on who Christ said, on this rock I will build my congregation (original text did not read 'church'), is still teaching Judaism, except saying that their prophecied Messiah has come and they should believe in him and walk in his ways.
So there is a fork in the road. Paul supposedly has tis epiphany that the law is nonsense and all you must do is believe in Christ, no works required to prove your faith though - wide is that gate.

It is mesmerizing, and hilarious. No wonder modern Jews can never accept their 'Jesus'. The Jesus they describe is not that which was prophecied - that is because they formed him and his character in their minds. Oh the gentiles!

Clearly he is not at the sermon on the mount with the master and we.

He has sold his birthright for a bowl or porridge

Goshen360: SMH for this guy JesusisLord, I don't even understand how come he is saying or calling himself Jesusislord and yet proclaiming Moses, grace and truth came by same Jesus that is Lord. The guy quotes scriptures RELIGIOUSLY not understanding what it means. SMH

He is only trying to be exactly as his master is. Obeying the law.

You on the other hand keep doing your fathers bidding trying to change traditions and customs

Child of the little horn.

JesusisLord85: To the lawless, I became as one, breaking the commandments and believing I am saved.
I think that is what he meant, no? lol

Then next thing when he is with the apostles he is being lawfull again just so he can win them to his side

Like your poignant post yesterday being lawfull openly then going behind a tree to eat swines flesh

This version of paul reminds me of some PDP chieftians

Abeg no kill person with laugh oooo

JesusisLord85: hahaha
But interestingly, it is the only anchor, albeit weak, he has.
Painful as it is to read his writings, how does Goshen account for his own view? Or even Drummaboy?

Can you just imagine Paul entering a synagogue to tell them it is well and they can eat pork. They would have hung him. They (Pharisees) tested Jesus' knowledge of Torah, an they could find no fault in his answers, because he knew the law and kept it. Just put yourself back in that time, and imagine a man teaching side by side with Jews, but teaching a different message. it is insane.lol

Exactly.

who could convince yashua of sin john 8:22

Or |Even John the baptist.

shdemidemi: Should I take it that you and most high are just here to interrupt God's word? Just like him, you have refused to answer questions but quick to criticise.

Would you answer my questions to the best of your knowledge, I might learn from your answers you know.

Interrupt ke?

You think you have wriggled out of acts 21 hilarious though, your response is that Paul is a mad man abi?

I know you are completely possessed by the same spirit you described in your response no wonder you behave like a man of:

1. duplicate character

2. Double minded

3. a pretender

4. a schemer

Suffering from multiple personality disorder

If your interpretation of acts 21 is correct then no one would have taken paul seriously least of all the apostles or myself for that matter.

shdemidemi: Why the prejudice and insecurity? Answer simple questions, you are thinking of two gospels.

Define grace

Define gift

Tell us how long Paul went away before he came back with this gospel


What is hard in that!!

Why do the heathen rage and shdemidemi imagine a vain thing?

Seeking to change the traditions and customs of the Most High God

Your reward is already with you

Child of the little Horn

JesusisLord85: Do you think everyone here is an olodo?
Ironically you are their representative, everything you say depends on the 2-gospel assumption, and they don't even believe in this.

I would love to hear how they think te law is done away with. Of course, we see why you think so. But they read Paul, John, James, and dear I say, Yashua. So what is their excuse for ignorance?

Without his satanic luciferian 2 gospel theory the man is dead in the water

He is truly Lawless and he dont even know it. Or does he?

Jokes.

JesusisLord85: I think I have spent a lot of time pandering to your desires.
Lay out your teachings friend.
Still want to know which epistles to discard.
I can think of so many inconsistencies, I don't know where to begin.

"Jesus was talking to the Jews" he says. Only Paul preached, and knew, the 'mysteries' he says.
How come you know so much of Revelation when it was written by a Jew, to some Jewish believers?

Even the tares sincerly believe they are wheat

But time will tell.

JesusisLord85: I hope he is not speaking on behalf of his churh.

Most of them are brother.

Never heard a greater Zombie word than MY CHURCH

Last I checked the church is for yashua

The mind controll is unbelievable but who am I, even john marvelled when he saw who the ASHEWO really is.

The proffessed earthly church is the seat of SATAN revelation 17

JesusisLord85: How come Peter, James and John did not also convert from Judaism to pentecostalism or whatever it is?
Were they then false teachers?
Or you saying the bible is for both jews and christians, just that jews are to read every epistle excet Paul's? and your crowd are to read Paul only?

A little poem for the children of the little horn


Its all about christ and not about paul

When they see you they should see christ

Every little thing you do and every thing you say

Let christ be lifted up today

Its all about christ

christemmbassey: most high soumds as if he's always high on something, una wey de convers with him try well well.

Thank you joor

The persecutions is so so sweet

But You my friend are on the broad road look around you, your position is so so popular

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing?

[quote author=shdemidemi][/quote]Another distraction

Tgirl4real: OK. Thanks - the moral laws as in the 10 commandments?

Cos I was gonna ask if we are gonna start making blood sacrifices cos I don't know the ordinances Mosthigh is talking about he isn't patient enough to explain.

All he does is throw jabs and subtle insult.

BTW, why should we still be subject to the moral laws when Jesus himself said LOVE is the summation?

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in the prosperity gospel and I believe living upright and holy before God, not to mean that I don't sin cos I am not perfect.

If you live upright before God, you can't escape persecution and I am having my fair share.

LWKM OO

You Making me sound like cassius clay at the bolded in your post.

The ordinances I speak about are the principles guiding any priesthood

But like the brother said, now that there is no earthly temple so what happens?

Well the book of hebrews gives a hint at this.

It says because the priesthood had changed so also the principles guiding the priesthood (some people like goshen will mistake principles of priesthood to mean the whole of the LAW HAS CHANGED)

So as oppossed to offering an animal sacrifice the new priest is now instructed to prepare himself an acceptable sacrifice

The ordinances of the this new priesthood from the above statement are now invested in the human body (which is the true temple)

There are but 2 priesthoods revealed in all of scripture

1. the order of Aaron

2. the order of melchizedek

Yashua Ibn Joseph is of the order of melchizedek

The Nazeritre Order is the Order of melchizedek, and within this order we have priests like

1. Yashua and all his desciples, reference is Act 24:5 For we have found this man [a] pestilent [fellow], and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes


2.Samsom

3.samuel

4. joseph

6. john the baptist and his desciples

just to mention a few

7. Moses and Aaron were ordained into both priesthoods one was just the shadow of the other. The original divine plan was for every head of house to be a priest of his own free will just like the nazerite but the request of exodus 19:6 was scorned hence the institution of the order of Aaron.

The Levite took vows by force, his tribe had no choice in the matter from birth it was his destiny

The Nazerite on the other hand took vows freely from a willing heart, hence the love the Lord felt for him is intense as scripture testifies.,

Finally

The ordinances of the Nazerite priesthood can be found in the book of numbers chapter 6

and

The ordinances of the Aaronic priesthood can be found in the book of numbers chapter 18

obadiah777: THE PURPOSE OF CHRIST DEATH IS
1-UNITE THE WHOLE WORLD BOTH JEW AND GENTILE UNDER THE LAW ( EPHESIANS 2 VS 14 )
2-TO GIVE GRACE TO HIS ELECT MEN WHO WOULD BE GOING AROUND THE WORLD TO HARVEST THE SECOND FRUIT FROM THE GENTILES
3-TO SPIRITUALLY RESSURECT HIS ELECT MEN AND SEAL THEM PERMANENTLY AS HEAVEN BOUND CELESTIAL BEINGS ( MATTHEW 27 VS 52-53 )

THATS THE PURPOSE OF HIS DEATH. HE DID NOT COME TO DIE TO SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD. THATS CHRISTIAN LIES. HE DID NOT GIVE THE WHOLE WORLD GRACE EITHER ( ROMANS 11 VS 5 ) . THATS CHRISTIAN LIES

Sire I know the meek and humble are picking up these dimes

More strenght brother.

obadiah777: HEHE NO SWEAT HUN. SLEEP TIGHT AND PONDER A LITTLE ON THE POSTS. MAYBE IT WOULD START SLOWLY MAKING SENSE. I KNOW THE CHURCH HAS POLLUTED MANY MINDS AND IT WOULD BE HARD TO GET RID OF OLD BELIEF SYSTEMS.

ALOT OF PEOPLE INCLUDING MANY PASTORS HAVE DIED HORRIBLE DEATHS BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVED. THEY SLEEP WITH SOMEONES WIFE THINKING THE BLOOD OF JESUS HAS ATONED FOR THEIR SINS. AND THE LORD PUT THEM TO DEATH. SHOWING YOU THERE IS NO SUCH THINGS AS YOU WERE SAVED FROM YOUR SINS BY CHRIST DEATH. THOSE GUYS THOUGHT THEY WERE SAVED. THEY WERE WRONG. THE LAWS ARE THERE FOR A REASON. TO BE OBSERVED. WITHOUT LAWS THERE IS CHAOS. IF YOU DRIVE THE WRONG WAY DOWN A ONE WAY STREET YOU WILL GET LOCKED UP OR FINED OR BEATEN BY NIGERIAN POLICE SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN BREAK GODS LAWS AND GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE SOME PASTOR DONE LIED TO YOU THAT JESUS BLOOD ATONED FOR YOUR SINS ? LOL

Another pentacost moment

So So pleasurable.

Tgirl4real: Well, you are right. I have no right saying that about him as I am learning myself.

I take my post back.m and I apologise.

However, it's wrong of you to call someone lawless simply cos they refused to place themselves under the law.

My dear you have said it all

The lawless man of 2 thess 2 is called LAWLESS because he exalts himself over the LAW

The little horn is the one and same individual he that will exalt himself and try and change CUSTOMS AND TRADITION

Have you ever asked yourself whose customs and traditions the LITTLE HORN IS TRYING TO CHANGE?

EVEN IN COMMON SPEAK THE OPPOSITE OF BEING LAWFULL IS BEING LAWLESS

Tgirl4real: And I hope you aint referring to me as the disciple?

Judgement

obadiah777: HEY BROTHER MOST HIGH WHATS GOOD CHIEF ? TRUST YOU HAVE HAD A GREAT DAY. I JUST WOKE UP FROM A LIL NAP SO I FEEL CONFUSED RIGHT NOW LOL

I am cool like that brother I trust your day is most blessed.

Meanwhile trying to keep my eyelids from dropping

guess that my cue for bed

JesusisLord85: These guys take lines frm the bible and just apply it indiscriminantly.

shdemi's favourites: "rightly divide", "right hand of fellowship", "new gospel", "shades and shadows".
Bunch of jokers, but I still love them

Brother you profiled the man already

Take Paul out of scriptures and they all go bust

They revere Paul more than Christ himself

sad lot.

JesusisLord85: Joker, lean on the epistles keh. I lean on the word of God.
Because I don't have the word memorised does not mean the lawless group is correct. The truth will remain the truth.
I am saved, I have faith in Christ and I prove I love him by keeping his commandments as the word says.
You are 'saved' because of whatever nonsense you just uttered previously. something about self righteousness.
You also blaspheme by saying the commands of God, his Torah, is a yoke. You do know that right?

I wonder how they treat the instructions of their earthly fathers

Maybe goshen should open a thread on that

How to hounour your earthly father

DrummaBoy: MostHigh's Resume
* Nairaland chief Judaizer
*Black Jew
*Keeps the Sabbath
*Favorite words: lawlessness, Child of the little horn.
*Incoherent

Jesusislord85's Resume
*Jewish proselyte
*In his mid twenties: Young and has a lot to learn though unteachable
*Self confessed judaizer
*Only Judaizers that doesn't pay tithe on nairaland
*Brain goes numb reading long post that should do him some good
*Central scripture: Acts 15. Though he knows nothing of the conclusion reached there.
* Yet to study Romans but is so sure of Paul's position on the law

Most pitiable... smh

I am done for tonight. We'll try again tomorrow

Hey! you forgot "you can BE exactly as your master is but not greater"

Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them." (John 13:1-17)

Oga drummaboy knows more than his mastr apparently with the HELP OF APOSTLE PAUL

LWTMB.

Drummaboy child of the litle horn

No jokes o.

Tgirl4real: It obvious. When I went through your threads yesterday and I posted on them, I noticed you are still struggling with your theology.

You are yet to be rooted n grounded in God's word. I will suggest you stay on the milk for now - the epistles, before going for the meat.

My sincere heartfelt suggestion for you. May God help you.


Btw, if you live or had lived a lawless life as a believer then you are not saved. The gospel of grace isnt a license to sin. I bet you don't need a special revelation from the torah to know that.

Coming from someone that cannot interpret ezk 44 in context you statements above sound really silly

Talking about milk and meat. smh

Tgirl4real: So, I have become lawless because I read and I don't see what you talking about - o thou judge Most high.

You can say whatever oga. Don't send me on errand if you are not willing to present/explain your position or what the chapter is about.

I am saved by grace, through faith, not of my works so I can't boast.

I put my trust in the Most high and I will not be put to shame.

I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. I have receive the gift of salvation and I rejoice.

I live daily to please my father by not fulfilling lust of my flesh, but by faith and obedience to his WORD.

I am sure you know what scriptures call people like you. You want to put a yoke of bondage on people God has delivered. You want to crucify Jesus Christ afresh.

Keep on with your sanctimonious, holier than thou attitude.

The scripture is sufficient for me.

Must have hit a spot

How come you cant see??

Its all written in plain English

Better still you can SEARCH YOUR CONCORDANCE ON EZK 44 or even the internet is full of commentaries from different people

Is it that you are too lazy to VERIFY for yourself if what I say is pure bu** or not?

How else are you to obtain proper conviction?

I didn't send you on any errand and I have explained if only briefly what the chapter is about

You want me to WRITE A FULL PAGE LIKE GOSHEN

Abeg no use laugh take kill person o.

Goshen360: That's the reason you know nothing because you want to read only what you write and it's obvious you not paying attention to what others say and you claim to be a teacher. How do you learn when you don't listen to others. That makes you argue blindly and end of in confusing yourself. Even many scriptures you quote are saying contrary to what you saying. Good luck to you!

Hey Mr man I was witness to one of your disciples complaining about the length of your posts today, and the difficulty in understanding them

But trust the egotistic to lean to their own reasoning.

Just take the correction and make your post short, direct and straight to the point.