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I think I get now. It's the spirit that's coming as someone else. For all we care, he could have reincarnated as Obadiah.


Just read Obadiah's post on this.

Q : Why should a celestial body die again? that's what I meant by why did John die again since he is Elijah's incarnate.

Q: What is the purpose of ressurection of the dead at the last trump?

U said we can't take up our bodies again, but scripture says d dead shall arise again - d sea will give up d dead in it n bla bla

does dat not mean we will have the same bodies but changed?

I'm sleepy.

JesusisLord85: Haha I will need to rank you 'crazies' on here. He sends me 1000 questions and demands answers immediately.
Lis of lawless:

1.Shdemidemi aka headboy of lawlessness:
Imagines 2 gospels. One for him first, and the other to the Jews. He can entire via the wide gate, and Jews enter via someother gate. Also believes Christ (a Judean) came to do away with the religion of the Judeans. Strange, but true

2. Goshen
Zealous for lawlessness. Walks hand in hand with shdemidemi, though he believes in only one gospel

3. Drumboy
Asks lots of questions. Ignores key scripture that counters his vain view. Zealous and ignorant, dangerous mix. Least knowledgable of the 'lawless', yet rising fast through their ranks.

Tgirl4real: OK. I can't quote with the way you made that post cos I am on mobile.

I see if I can outline my questions one after the other.

1. If we are to be raised at the second coming, what's the ish about coming and going as we please?

1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The verse above speaks of a mystry that has been revealed already.

Some people will not have to taste physical death to be raised from spiritual death in the twinkling of an eye once faced with the truth and the conviction of the holy spirit they will experience rebirth

So you see the second coming is always and ever happening, the word is with us as we speak.

Now Regarding the second coming of yashua in the flesh, it is true that a greater multitude will be awakened from slumber but even before that particular event happens some individulas will have experienced ressurection cause of thier faith in the written WORD AKA holy spirit AKA Yashua meshayach

[/b]2. Are you saying you can determine when you die? u need to explain this please.]

Oh of course.

you can be exactly as your master is but not greater

Yashua knew he was going to be slain by those scoffers, this was the cup that he wanted to pass by in his prayer at gethsamane.

But did he run? no he didnt this is what it means to lay your life down willingly for the fathers work

In other words he prayed for a quick death (let these soilders come quickly and get it over with, the waiting must have been quite unbearable)

Then I saw the souls of those [b]who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[a] thousand years.



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quote]3. My question here isnt about Islam, or are you saying Islam is also a way to walk God?

How will I be saved considering that I have no 'saved' male in my family?

4. So, how will the unjust be purnished? And what those casting in the lake of fire mean?. with scriptures abeg.

5. You said life can neither be created nor lost. I take that as God is Life and the giver of it. If God withdraws life from someone isn't that death - physical?

And what does it mean to destroy body n soul in hell?

6. On the celestial, is it only those that kept the faith till the end that will come back celestial

7. Accor to scriptures, are we not suppose to sleep n wake up to eternal life or judgement?

I know you asked me to check up white throne Judgement on google, but I haven't.

What I understand by judgement is dat the unjust will be cast into the lake of fire, while d believers face another kind of judgement.

obadiah777: NOT FULLY CHARGED SIRE BUT I WILL GET THERE. ALL I NEED IS SOME ENGLISH BREAKFAST OF EBA AND STEW AND I WILL BE READY TO CONFOUND THE SCOFFERS AND GAINSAYERS WITH SOUND DOCTRINE

obadiah777: VERY POIGNANT SIRE. TOP OF THE MORNING TO YOU

JesusisLord85: lol. Can you imagine. So the evidence I use, he now says the APOSTLES of God were "copping out".
The Gentiles won't kill me.

obadiah777: no ifs brah. after the second trumpet falls in, the seventh seal and the seventh vial fall in simultaneously. thats armageddon. a cleanse of the world with fire

2 peter 3 vs 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up

Tgirl4real: lol.

BTW - By The Way

Btw - Between

OP: Original Poster

At least you are learning from me

Oya, reply my post o.


I read Obadiah's post - dying and Celestial beings, is that what you mean when you said d follower of Yashua can go n come as they will?

DrummaBoy: If U can supply expose on each of those scriptures I enumerated, even quoting the Torah and OT, to defend this Judaism position of yours then U have an argument. If not keep these doctrines to yourself.

Tgirl4real: ^{OK. I get that. When you die (physical), you sleep to be resurrected at the second coming, right?}


Right.


^{I don't understand this part. You mean you can die and come back to life as you please? Explain further.}

Read john 10:18 again what the master is saying there is true for all true children of God, even if you dont believe for faith sake then belive because the master says so

The door swings boths ways, if you can leave this realm of your own free will then you can come back of you own free will as well




I know that. But they wanted a king by force by fire.



<sup>What?

I was born into Islam. None of my family members are saved to the best of my knowledge and my hubby and I don't agree on doctrinal matter. What will become of me o mosthigh of NL?</sup>



Even the islamic caliphate is theocratic in order, read up on the structure of the caliphate

^{How do u mean?}

THe word death as it is percieved by most means a cessation of life, a misnomer.

Now what we are saying is that there is no end to life

the physical realm is but one side of a coin

Life can niether be created nor destroyed.





OK

JesusisLord85: I see you have many questions. I cannot attend to you only. I will reveal the truth slowly, to all at the same time. Why will I spend 90% of my time teaching those whose ears are shut up?
Let me go to the lost sheep.

Well, apparently, I do not subscribe to the four laws concept you just suggested at all. In fact I believe that the meeeting in Jerusalem should have ended with the no law concept that Paul in his epistles taught (Galatians 5:18b; 23b) but the three laws were a cop out to pacify those who were of the circumcision because, this meeting holding in Jerusalem, they were predominant and the like Demi argues, Apostle James and Peter themselves were not fully removed from the Judaistic thinking and thus the need to leave those four laws. Of the four, we see that Paul debunked the concept of offering to idols in 1 Cor 8

Tgirl4real: ohh!

I didn't mean it that way. May be I misused the word brush. What I meant is that you addressed it briefly in one of your posts.

Where is Mosthigh BTW?

Pastor Olu T: Boss good morning,
From the scripture u missed John 1:12-13, which says as many as received Him to them He gave power or right to sonship. Salvation is instant, immediately u accept Jesus as ur Lord n savior u are saved but needed to be kept safe to Heaven 'cos u can loose it.

U are kept safe to Heaven as u live daily for Him that when u die u shall reign with Him. This is what the bible teaches, also considering 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

Tgirl4real: wow Obadiah! I had questions before and I am still reading, but couldn't let this fly.

When you said celestial,I was hoping they are not visible.


Is this post for re-incarnation?

If I wanna go with what you said earlier, how come John the baptist died a second time?

So, is Abraham Lincoln saved?

Where does the teaching on resurrection come in? Are the dead not suppose to rise at d last trump?

pls, if you have ans earlier, just direct me to it.

obadiah777: I ONLY CALLED MYSELF A JEW FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE UNENLIGHTENED. ITS ACTUALLY YEHUDAH. THE TRIBE OF YEHUDAH ALSO CALLED JUDAH TODAY AND SHORTENED INTO JEW

obadiah777: indeed sire. conviction and confidence acquired from studying to show myself approved had to go munch. indeed sire tomorrow i want to do a mind blowing exposition of matthew 24. remind me if i forget.

obadiah777: HEHE WELL YOU KNOW WHAT ? THATS THE KIND OF REACTION YOU OUGHT TO BE GETTING FROM PEOPLE BECAUSE CHRST GOT THE SAME EXACT REACTION. IN FACT IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING THAT REACTION YOU OUGHT TO SIT DOWN AND WONDER IF YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK >>> MARK 1 VS 27 And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this?

obadiah777: I AM NOT INFALLIBLE. HOWEVER I TEND TO KNOW WHAT I AM FALLIBLE ON. I DONT SPEAK ON STUFF I AM NOT SURE ABOUT. I TEND NOT TO DO THAT.

FOLYKAZE: Planet Earth.......beat ya azz with Iron rod and make you rot in prison for spreading fear on a public forum

obadiah777: DONT MIND THAT GADDEM HEATHEN FOLYKAZE. HE IS TRYING TO CAUSE DIVISION IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. HE DOES NOT KNOW WE SPEAK IN PURITY OF TONGUE. NO COMPETITION HERE. THE SPIRIT IS THE SAME. WHAT I SAY HE SAYS WHAT HE SAYS I SAY FOLYKAZE TRYNA USE THAT DIVIDE AND CONQUER METHOD

FOLYKAZE: Psalm 2:9

ok now

Yes im coming for both of you....2016 thang

obadiah777: OH I DONT BELIEVE IN THE ELECT ONLY SIRE. THE ELECT IS THE FIRST FRUIT. THERE WILL BE SECOND FRUIT. THE ELECT IS THE FIRST RESSURECTION BUT NOT THE ONLY INHABITANTS OF THE KINGDOM TO BE ESTABLISHED. THEY WILL BE THE RULERS. THE SECOND FRUIT WILL BE THE CITIZENS. THE KINGDOM WILL NOT BE OCCUPIED BY ONLY 144,000 MEN. LOL. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE REST

FOLYKAZE: And you sire.......which side do you belong to? Why is it that you hardly quote the bible but only rub Obadiah back?

FOLYKAZE: I hate lies.......I MEAN GRAIL MESSENGERS

obadiah777: VERY POIGNANT SIRE. ROMANS CHAPTER 3 I BELIEVE

obadiah777: GREAT QUESTION SIRE. HE MUST HAVE SINNED IN HIS PAST LIFE LOL. HENCE THE PHRASE 'WE ARE BORN IN SIN'

idnoble135: How does the scripture relate to the post?

obadiah777: [b]According to reincarnation beliefs, history tends to repeat itself until those who have participated in it learn their lessons and change for the better. This means that an individual may face identical situations from one life to the next until they are able to conquer whatever "cause and effect" chain-reaction they have caused from a previous life. As an example, a person who "lives by the sword" in one life and dies without having made amends for his mistakes, will in the next life be faced with identical situations which must be overcome. Ultimately, such a person will have to face themselves and have inflicted upon them everything they have inflicted upon others. Divine justice in many religions shows that those who "live by the sword" will "die by the sword", if not in their present life, but likely in a future life. Reincarnation theory states that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The lives of President Kennedy and President Abraham Lincoln had so many parallels that it cannot be dismissed as pure coincidence. To many, these parallels are evidence of history repeating itself and evidence of reincarnation. To me, these parallels may be circumstantial evidence that President Kennedy was the reincarnation of President Lincoln. Decide for yourself.

Both were elected to Congress in the 46th year in the 19th and 20th centuries. Both were elected President in the 60th year. Both had the legality of their elections contested. Both were directly involved with black civil rights. Both lost a son while serving as President. Both were assassinated while serving as President. Lincoln's staffer, whose name was Kennedy, advised him not to go to the theatre where he was assassinated. Kennedy's secretary, whose name was Lincoln, advised him not to go to Dallas where he was assiassinated. Abraham Lincoln was fond of Monroe, Maryland. A place he had visited a week before he was shot. Kennedy was fond of Marilyn Monroe.

Both were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head from behind. Both were shot in the presence of their wives. Both were shot while sitting with another couple. Both were shot with another member of their entourage being injured, but not fatally. Lincoln was shot in Ford's Theatre. Kennedy was shot in a Ford Lincoln.

Both assassins were born in the 39th year. Both were Southerners favouring extremist views. Both are known by their first, middle and last names. After assassinating Lincon, John William Booth ran from the theatre and was captured in a warehouse. After assassinating Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald ran from the warehouse and was captured in a theatre. Both were themselves assassinated before their trials.

Both President�s successors were Southern Democrats. Both successors had the last name of Johnson. Both successors were Vice-Presidents. Both successors were born in the 8th year of the century. Both successors were former senators. Both President�s caskets were carried in death on the same caisson.

It appears that history does indeed repeat itself.[/b]

idnoble135: @Obadiah, there is nothing like reincarnation. You can be saved while you are on earth. All what you posted are highly controversial.
Lets meet here tomorrow. Good way to examine scriptures. And do tell your hound dog friend to contribute meaningfully to thread or stay away from it.

obadiah777: first of all there is no eternal life of the flesh if thats what you are asking. however when the kingdom is established we would no longer have a life-span of 120 years ( genesis 6 vs 3 ) but will return to living to be as old as 1000 ( isaiah 65th chapter ). however to get eternal life of the spirit is to be saved in death. once saved in death your spirit is eternal. it never shuts down again. you are quickened. a spiritual celestial being

obadiah777: matthew 24 vs 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved <<< you carry that cross until your death bed ( the end ) and thats how you get saved. and once you get saved in death, you are saved forever


revelation 3 vs 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, <<< once saved in death ? always saved. you are now a heavenly being forever