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obadiah777: THE PURPOSE OF CHRIST DEATH IS
1-UNITE THE WHOLE WORLD BOTH JEW AND GENTILE UNDER THE LAW
2-TO GIVE GRACE TO HIS ELECT MEN WHO WOULD BE GOING AROUND THE WORLD TO HARVEST THE SECOND FRUIT FROM THE GENTILES
3-TO SPIRITUALLY RESSURECT HIS ELECT MEN AND SEAL THEM PERMANENTLY AS HEAVEN BOUND CELESTIAL BEINGS ( MATTHEW 27 VS 52-53 )

THATS THE PURPOSE OF HIS DEATH. HE DID NOT COME TO DIE TO SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD. THATS CHRISTIAN LIES. HE DID NOT GIVE THE WHOLE WORLD GRACE EITHER ( ROMANS 11 VS 5 ) . THATS CHRISTIAN LIES

Say on prophet of the most high God!!

The dropping of dimes never ceases

JesusisLord85: I only came to the truth this year. I wrestled with it, and the human tendency is to go with lawlessness, as it is easy to satisfy its demands. Enter via the narrow gate friends. Wide is the path to destruction.
It's rather hilarious. Christians ar epersecuting us because we obey the law and mix it with faith in Christ.

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

I take joy in these persecutions bro

The persecutions are the true test of your office

its like the whole world is against you

But like the master has said 2 or 3 witnessess is enough to finish of 1 million heathens

Goshen and co enjoy the broad road while it lasts

JesusisLord85: I only came to the truth this year. I wrestled with it, and the human tendency is to go with lawlessness, as it is easy to satisfy its demands. Enter via the narrow gate friends. Wide is the path to destruction.
It's rather hilarious. Christians ar epersecuting us because we obey the law and mix it with faith in Christ.

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

I take joy in these persecutions bro

Its the mixing that drives them MAD

They are enraged cause we worship in SPIRIT and in TRUTH

THEY ARE PROPONENTS OF SPIRIT ONLY KIND OF WORSHIP

They say we should either put the truth ASIDE, TAKE IT APART or tailor it to our own paradigms

Imagine the IMBALANCE

PURE LAWLESSNESS.

Goshen360:

Stop gloating in your ignorance man.

At least the woman had the spine to respond, if I remember correctly the question was originally addressed to you both.

They know they way to heaven yet they enter not and block the way for those that might have obtained salvation as well.

Child of the little horn

Child of lawlessness.

Goshen360: Mehn, you are something else. You can't read my stuff because they are too heavy for your kind. Off course you can't comprehend it. Let those who will read read it and see if I lie by what the scripture says. I don't have that kind of time shdemidemi have for you. You just talking to the brother the way you like in rudeness without presenting your point step-by-step. You are found of mixing things up. We know people like you, so that readers will not flow in the teaching of truth being taught. You use wuru-wuru to scatter things here.

child of the little horn

What are the ordinances of your priesthood?

Or is the word ORDINANCE too strong for your jaw?

Tgirl4real: I read and I didn't see anything that concerns me there.

Exactly.

By the words of your mouth you are judged

wetin you mean to say na Wetin concern YOU concern priesthood of the kingdom age

LWKM true

Ezk 44 gives a detailed description of the priesthood of the KINGDOM AGE and goes in great length to describe the ORDINANCES of this priesthood

Study to show yourself approved

Dont just hang on Paul's neck to get license to be Lawless.

JesusisLord85: I can't read this guys posts. His writing style gives me headache, He should send to shdemidemi for editing abeg

Always long and misleading

shdemidemi: All I did there was quote scripture, are you against some part of the scriptures?

O you did far more than that

But just like Yashau and Judas you have your purpose as I have mine in the divine plan.

And I shall SEPERATE the SHEEP from the GOAT.

Goshen360: 6He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.

7The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away.

8Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life?

9If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God!

10In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way.

11So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!

12Since this new way gives us such confidence, we can be very bold.

13We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory, even though it was destined to fade away.

14But the people’s minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.

15Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.

16But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

17For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

18So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.

1 Corinthians 3

The Apostle Paul labbelled the 10 commandments here written on stones as ministry of death and condemnation. Why would he do that? Since we know what he taught was by Christ's revelation. On the other hand, the same Apostle re-introduced or re-surfaced the 10 commandments to the NT believers saying:

The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not covet," and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:9-10

Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, "You must not covet." But sin used this command to arouse all kinds of covetous desires within me! If there were no law, sin would not have that power. Romans 7:7-8

Now, we have to pay close attention to these things. How will Apostle Paul say the 10 commandments are ministry of death and condemnation and on the other hand praised the law? The scriptures in 1 Corinthians 3 referring to the national Israel NOT the church. In the case of national Israel, when these thou shall not was given it ministered death and condemnation to them BUT when the Holy Spirit was given, it ministered life on the day of Pentecost. What is the difference? Are Christians to commit adultery, murder, steal etc because it wasn't given to us they way it was given to national Israel? NO!

What Paul is saying is it is NOT the written law on stones that guides a believer no more but the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 3:8. The law (as written on stones) served as a guide until we receive the Holy Spirit indwelling us and telling us (by the already knowledge of sin through the law) adultery is bad, murdering is bad, coveting is bad. So, many Christians are still obeying thou shall not commit adultery because the law of Moses said so, NO! It is the Spirit in believers that kicks against such acts.

The Apostle came back in Romans saying, the more you give yourself law, the more you fuel sin nature and sin will always find itself working in such believer. Remove the law and replace with the Holy Spirit, yielding to the Holy Spirit....then you have no law to break. Galatians 5:22-23..."against such THERE IS NO LAW".

I asked Bidam, if he still sees thou shall not commit adultery of under the law as the same as thou shall not commit adultery under the New Testament? The young man can't answer honestly. Adultery is of two fold - to one's spouse and to God. When you worship other god in any form, be it money or something else, that is adultery. when you hate your fellow, that is murder, not necessarily killing. When you covet, that's stealing even thou you haven't physically stolen the item etc. These are all reason why the working of the Holy Spirit is from within NOT as though something that is written on a chalk board for a child counting 123 or ABC! After the child had known how to count these 123 or ABC to whatever, does he or she still need the chalk board? That's how the Holy Spirit and the guidance of the law is to us believers.

Scripture says the law had been replaced with the Holy Spirit. The more believers keeping going back to the law as guidnaces, the more they keep empowering and fueling the sleeping sin nature and sin will always have dominion. The reason sin shall not have dominion is because we are not under the guidance of the law but of the Spirit. Therefore, thou shall not commit covet, murder, commit adultery etc as per the 10 commandments givens to national Israel when it resurfaced to believers is NOT BECAUSE THE LAW SAID SO BUT BECAUSE WHAT REPLACED THE LAW (HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU) DOES NOT ALIGN WITH SUCH PRACTICES. So, you read, the fruit of the Holy Spirit is LOVE which is the also fulfillment of the LAW. Then it is no longer according to the law of sin and death as given by Moses written on stones BUT law of the HOLY SPIRIT, meaning the law of moses was a guidance but now, the Holy Spirit is the guidance. That's why it is called the law of the (Holy) Spirit of life. Apostle Paul is NOT placing believers under the duty to keep the WHOLE laws of Moses else, he would be building again the Judaism he already tore down and therefore become a sinner unto God.

If there's more explanation, I will add but that's how far I can explain for now.

Another recipe for headache

GOSHEN DO I NEED TO OPEN ANOTHER THREAD FOR EZK 44

What are the ordinances of your priesthood, seeing that every priesthood must have ordinances?

JesusisLord85: Brother, did that verse not say "Christians"? or was it "pentecostal"? If neither of the above, surely it meant 'baptist'?

LWTMB

shdemidemi: 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
romans 8
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

child of the little horn

Like your father you earnestly seek to change the traditions and customs of the most high God

DrummaBoy: So because we teach that Christians should not follow the Mosaic laws, you think we have deleted the whole of the OT from our bibles. Sorry, it is not so...

If you check through the OT, except for very few times and in the times of Moses, you would realize that the law was not the central point of the Jewish religion... it was Jehovah God and what he demanded from his people. And there are places even in OT were God denounced the people's superficial use of the law; stating that he does not want burnt offering but obedeience, etc...

We see Jesus repeat the same in the gospels. God demands the Spirit of the law from us and this is found in the Law of Spirit and Life. Alwaystrue may pride herself in the fact that this is what she has been arguing for all this time but as long as we have such Christians making issues out of tithing, sabbath, circumcision and their likes, they are still bound to Moses... They are what they hate being called: JUDAIZERS

How can you just be displaying your ignorance publicly like this

How can you say the law was not a central point of the Jewish religion

Theocrcy is the rule of the God of heaven on earth

The constitution of this government has always been and will always be the LAW

What do you know of the jews apart from your preconcived ideas?

Ignorance is no excuse though.

judgement fire upon all those that say they are jews are they are not -

JesusisLord85: Lol so you now quote indirectly from the law. Shame it does not apply here.

Hypocryte to the core

Scoffers thats what they are

DrummaBoy: ^^^

I pasted my quote 2 minutes before Demi did and we both offered the same answer to the questions raised by MostHigh, without seeing each other's post. Is this "by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter is confirmed"; is the spirit one?

Hilarious true

Thats the best you can come up with

Just pathetic, your lawlessness I mean

psychology 101

You make Paul sound like a PUPPET a PRETENDER or someone with MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER

What your are interpreting there is your own vain understanding.

We dont see paul going to worship in the temple of ashtoreth or molech like you are implying from your interpretation.

Children of the little horn

christemmbassey: The law of Moses was the pillar of judaism(levitical priesthood) which was replaced by the law of the spirit of life in Jerus which is the pillar of christianity. You can not mixe christianity and judaism otherwise, for you, Christ died for nothing, and thats profanity.

22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that [b]you yourself are living in obedience to the law


KINDLY DIGEST THE ABOVE AGAIN ACTS 21

shdemidemi: Romans 15
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
2 cor 5
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

What's he talking about? Christ in His earthly ministry. And isn't that exactly where so much of our preaching is today? Sunday after Sunday they preach about Jesus, and all His miracles, and His signs, and His wonders. But what does Paul say about that? Hey, we're not following any man in the flesh, we are to now take Christ after the work of the Cross, after His death, burial, and Resurrection. He's ascended into glory, now that's the Christ that we're attached to. Oh, I grant you it's the same man, the same God, but nevertheless the Christ before the Cross was not the object of our Salvation that He is after the Cross. That stands to reason, because it's the work of the Cross that makes possible our Salvation experience. So Paul says that he doesn't know anyone after the flesh. We're not preaching Jesus in His earthly ministry.

So Paul says that since His death, burial, and Resurrection we do not look back and know Him in His earthly ministry as such. There is nothing wrong with studying His earthly ministry, so don't misunderstand me, but that's not the basis of our Salvation today. Our Salvation is not based on the earthly ministry of Jesus. That was His ministry to the Nation of Israel. The Name of Jesus was His Name of humiliation, He was going to the Cross, the sin-Bearer, and once He rises from the dead in power and glory, then it's no longer appropriate to refer to Him as Jesus. But now He is the Lord Jesus, He's Jesus Christ, He's the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hilarious

I always find it funny when you try and separate Israel from the king and place the so called church in her place

If I remember correctly when one disciple enquired about the DESCIPLES REWARD from the master....

Then Peter said to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?”

28 And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on [a]His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother [b]or children or farms for My name’s sake, will receive [c]many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.

So it is at once clear that the future kingdom is based upon the same THEOCRATIC principles of old

12 TRIBES OF ISREAL REBORN

PLEASE DONT LET THIS PASS OVER YOUR HEAD AGAIN

Stop spreading and encouraging falsehood

JesusisLord85: You are so funny. By your line of reasoning, everything Jesus taught is now null and void, as Paul is now the lightbearer.
What a heretic you are!

Pure child of the little horn

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing?

shdemidemi: Was that before or after he fulfilled the demand of the law ,'DEATH'.

The law kills.

Sin is the transgression of the law

Christ died to condemn sin in the flesh by paying the wages of sin for anyone who believe.

Here we go again.

Hilarious that's what you are

Alwaystrue: @shdemidemi, I am not sure I claimed 'I succeeded in convincing Goshen'.
But even the viewpoints I show you, even in the NT, you claim they are not spoken to the church or something. I did not know my viewpoints matter to you, But all the same, Goshen will teach us and quote the necessary scriptures on this.

Let yashua be your true teacher

shdemidemi: Paul was defending himself in front of these people, he was explaining his case and how he got to the position. I don't see how what he said there tells you and I to practice Judaism, go and read your Romans 3 mehn.

The man made it clear for people like you that-

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.



The question here is, this man says he wants to gain people under the law, is he gaining them from the la to thesame law?

Your interpretation of verse 20 and 21 cast Paul in a very bad light


You make Paul sound like a DECIEVER a PRETENDER or someone with MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER


shdemidemi Comon give Apostle Paul a break, The man don suffer for your hand too mush


You cannot by your much speaking put Paul over Christ or potray Paul as a lawless man for that matter.

Bidam: Ok if you say so, but if you have a concordance you will see him quoting copiously from Deuteronomy to further buttress his arguments on Romans. Hebrews was also quoted from Leviticus etc,etc. Who wrote Genesis?

The man is as slippery as they come

The guy makes me laugh so hard

One must have conviction

shdemidemi study to show yourself approved

shdemidemi: Pls show me through the scriptures where the 10 moral laws of Moses found its way into the new law of the Spirit in Christ.

Why don't you read for yourself and see how the elders lived their lives

I believe its called inspiration.

shdemidemi: Paul rarely quotes from the law of Moses, he takes all of his doctrinal references from Genesis.

Liar Liar

Paul quoted from all of scripture he was a doctor of the LAW.

your statement is pointless and lacks any scriptural backing

Yashua quoted from Deuteronomy more than any other book

Lawlessness is death

JesusisLord85: Am I the only one that rolls on the floor laughing when he reads "according to the Gospel of Paul"?
Need to know if this laughter is normal.

But wait, didnt you say the Jewish believers like Peter were still to continue in the law, as that is what they would be judged by? Or are we conforming?

The mans fixation on Paul is legend.

It would have been better if it had been possession with the spirit of yashua ibn joseph

I would rather he professed "and jesus Christ said"

Always try to quote the master you will never go wrong.

Tgirl4real: OP needs to get his theology right, he based his teaching on Acts 15;

Acts 15 (New International Version)
The Council at Jerusalem



Paul did not agree to circumcising the Gentiles.




The people that are even pushing for the Gentiles to be placed under the law were not even believers.




Putting yourself under the law is putting yourself under bondage.

12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me...

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Letter



They are telling them to discontinue their pagan worship and lifestyle.

Why did you leave out...

There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

The bolded is what I need you to really meditate on, seeing you left it out of your response I will assume you missed it before

obadiah777: LIGHT WITHOUT END SIRE LOL. AIN SO PHUR <<< HOPE I SPELLED THAT CORRECTLY

Spot on Sire

obadiah777: those going through their business are more likely getting reserved for fire. you get to a point where you have done so much 'dirt' that you are just reserved for fire. so the lord will leave you alone to pursue your dreams and prosper without messing with you. however if you are on the lords list of those he wants in the kingdom then he would put you through small suffering. ENJOY NOW AND SUFFER LATER, OR, SUFFER NOW AND ENJOY LATER. the two options. so if you see someone enjoying now, thats because they are kept for destruction. those whom the lord recieves ? he jacks you up big time lol >>>>
hebrews 12 vs 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth

job 5 vs 17 Behold, "Blessed is the one whom God corrects; so do not despise the discipline of the Almighty.

revelation 3 vs 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

how do you get reformed ? lol its not a small matter o. you divorce yourself from evil. you cant do 419, you cant cheat people, you cant hurt people, you cant sleep with someones spouse, etc etc more importantly you study to show yourself approved

Light without no end.

Tgirl4real: Which future priesthood sir?

Read Ezekiel chapter 44

It speaks of the future levitical priesthood and thier ordinances

I love that word ORDINANCES

Goshen360: I asked a question based on your statement that the law is\was a guide and gave you a scripture that it was to be a guide for a specific period. If you can't answer the question based on that, then I stop going in circle with you.

Have you read ezk 44

The event described here is prophetic and it happens way in the future of Isreal

It is discussing ordinances and thier application and efficacy.

And it should answer your question conclusivly.

Goshen360: Okay, I get what you saying and I agree the 10 commandments were copied or imported into the NT from the OT.

Now, do you still see the "thou shall not kill" of the OT as the same as "thou shall not kill" of the NT? ETC.

The Only difference is the execution of free will.

The former was done by force.

But that in no way negates the Law itself

obadiah777: you know you have a child who has been bad, you put them on probation to see if they reform. yeah thats the period we are in. and anyone who refuses to get reformed will keep on going through tribulation ( as you see all over africa and anywhere negros are in the world ) until a time when the period of reformation ends. those who still are not reformed will get nuked in 100000000 degrees heat to be refined in the furnace forcibly. prolly end up smelling like suya

True talk sire.

Goshen360: I asked a question: according to Galatians 3:24-25, until when is the law supposed to serve as a guide and after the promised had come, do we still need the law as a guide?

Oh Goshen!

Hope you are not going to scoff as usual

Ezekiel 44 gives quite a detailed description of the future levitical priesthood in the kingdom age.

I say levitical only to diffrentiate between the ORDER OF ARON and the ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK

Yashua is of the order of melchizedek as am I and all the apostles combined.

You Remember I have been asking you for the ordinances of your priesthood?

Unless of course you say your priesthood has no ordinances.