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Ihedinobi: This is a very lovely way of saying it, Zikkyy. This is what the Gospel is: that the law is no longer above us demanding and threatening, rather it is within us as righyeous desires. It is now our naturr, no longer obligation, to do the things that are right and please God.

The right use of the Law for the Christian is to ensure that he is not breaking with his true character. For instance, however prodigal the son of the rich man was, he was not a pig. And when he started eating swine's leftovers, there was that which said, 'NO, something's not right'. That thing was the reason he lifted up his head and returned to his father's house and is analogous to the Law which is now within us.

It is not the right use of the law to tell a Christian that this or that is required of him for him to have anything of God. It is the right use to tell him that seeing that he has God, it is expected that he should naturally do such-and-such. As I said, the Law only described what the Christian naturally is, it does not demand that a Christian be or do this or that.

Zikkyy: i want to ask, do you have plans of having ya self nailed to a cross in the near future

shdemidemi: I didn't speak my word, if you have any grievances, it should be directed to the scriptures.
State laws are secular laws of the earth that are controlled by the devil..it has nothing to do with my spirit my friend

2 Do not be conformed to this world (this age), [fashioned after and adapted to its external, superficial customs], but be transformed (changed) by the [entire] renewal of your mind [by its new ideals and its new attitude], so that you may prove [for yourselves] what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God, even the thing which is good and acceptable and perfect [in His sight for you].

I understand am here for a reason and that reason might just not be disobeying state laws.

What about the truth? The truth Christ

what happens to the truth which is the whole written word?[
Rightly divide it and you would understand everything that happened in the Old Testament was pointing to Christ. The journey of the Jews will continue after the church cos the church won't be here during tribulation. Christ is coming twice, first for the church and a second coming for the Jews. Therefore. Bother yourself more with the church instead of the Jews cos you are not 1(so I think sha)

Paschal007: Seems like Mr doug is giving Obadiah and his apprentice a run for their money.

Dux-01:
.can you tell me when this 'kingdom' started to exist

Goshen360: ^ Do you want it in relation to this teachings or just picking something Christ taught and the same established in the New Testament, taught and carried on by the Apostles? Which one you want?

shdemidemi: MostHigh:

you dont ever quote christ why?

I will reluctantly reply you just because of the genuine nature of the question ignoring your notoriety on this forum.

I hardly quote Christ, infact I hardly quote God too. It is not because they are not worthy but because God is just not 1 entity, He is Elohim in Hebrew that word is plural. He is trio in nature with the three parts of God being equal.
God the father,God the son and God the spirit
These three entities operated with man in dispensations. All through the Old Testament it was God the father before God the son came in flesh, He had to leave for God the spirit to start His dispensation.
In our present time today God the spirit is the inspiration of the Pauline epistles. The gospel been preached by Paul is the SPIRIT of God speaking to the church.

I believe that is the most basic way I can explain that, I hope you discern.
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Shey una dey hear this so called christian ye desciples of Goshen

I hardly quote Christ, infact I hardly quote God too.(But you quote paul like RSS feed non stop)

1. So in other words pauls revelations over yashua and the law and prophets and even the most high God too?

Is it not called the revelation of yashua ibn joseph?

In our present time today God the spirit is the inspiration of the Pauline epistles

2. So waht you are saying is that all other man preached to isreal but paul to the gentiles so this makes his teachings more inspired?

Goshen360: I need to teach you that what Paul taught is what Christ taught as foundation.....to the New testament that will take effect after his death. If you can't understand this simple truth, then I cannot help. But, if you're ready, I will show you step by step, from words of Christ, that what Paul taught is what Christ taught. Are you ready?

dougivilla: Thats a diversion, whos talking about serving mammon here?

Learner, let your boss bring on the tirades, the hallmark of his attitude when defeated. Thats the kind of God you represent. I'm sure He must be quite dissapointed in you. Well thats if its the same God we're talking about sha!

Dux-01:
.what do you mean by ''in this evil kingdom''

dougivilla: Just read what you see. Is there any version that reports that peter and the other fishermen used ships?. If the bible says 'He was rich, but became poor that through His poverty, you and I might become rich. The question is rich in what? Did deut 18:8 not say the same God is the one that teacheth us to get wealth! I don't preach flamboyance, but to say riches is from the Devil is the highest Height of decption. These guys are products of heresy and preach apostacy and thats why I follow them the way I do: they know how we've been on other threads. They're freshly released demons from the pit of hell with an unrelenting mission to mislead God's children to hell and I'm trying to disproove them!

Goshen360: So what do we have here? Taking Nigeria as an example, but it applies to any where in the world, where sin abound; we see in the society, sin abound in Nigeria. How do I mean, every where is opportunity to sin, steal, loot money from government treasury, single ladies sleeping with married men for money because they have to live, younger boys sleeping with cougars for living, corruption everywhere, killing for rituals and\or for money, cultism, etc. All these are where sin abound but Grace had been put in the inside of Christians, kindling them to exercise Christian virtues. Christians have much more on the inside to combat these acts, many just don't yield to it or activate it when needed. That's why scriptures says, "greater is HE that is in us, than he that is in the world"....and what is it that is in the world? The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life - 1 John 2:16.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we can't continue to live in sin that or thinking Grace covers us, Romans 6:1-2 but rather we are blessed with the gift and Gospel of Grace to overcome sin and the world. This Grace gospel was foreshadowed in the time of Noah and God later introduced the law of Moses to show men that they need a Saviour, Grace of God, Christ of God.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Genesis 6:8

This is before the law of Moses. The dispensation of Noah was so corrupt that he and his family was saved. Why? Because he found grace. Grace is the Saviour and that is the foreshadow of Christ. God later introduced the law to show men that, their works (obeying the law of Moses and making sacrifices for sin) cannot save them but Christ, which is the Grace of God. This is the whole gospel of Grace! The finished works of Christ and our eyes fixed on that, leaning on what he had done.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people. Galatians 3:19

New Living Translation (©2007)
God's law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were. But as people sinned more and more, God's wonderful grace became more abundant. Romans 5:20

God's purpose from the beginning is the Grace gospel which was foreshadowed from the time of Noah. The period of the law of Moses was later added or given to men can see how sinful they were and show people their sins, so that they can know they need a Saviour (Grace) of God. This law of Moses does not justifies but reveals the sin in us. Now, that Grace have saved us, how do we then continue to live by the law of Moses? There're many who preach or teach another gospel other than the gospel of Grace. That is, they teach the gospel of the law, of works mixed with Grace and Paul, the Apostle says, let them be curse or even of they be angels from heaven, Galatians 1:8 and Acts 20:24 tells us that the gospel they preached was the gospel of grace of God. Ladies and Gentlemen, the gospel of Grace is void of mixtures with the works of the law. Obedience to the works of the law is not part of the gospel of Grace because by keeping the law of Moses shall no man be justified. Why? It takes our eyes and faith away from the finished works of Christ, Grace of God and builds up the human efforts.

We have been called and free from the law of Moses but not to continue or use our freedom for\to satisfy your sinful nature. Galatians 5:13. The whole world is corrupt right now but the Grace is much more available within us to conquer. That's the gift of God, we only need to lean on this power, exercise it and live it out for us to be Christ-like in our daily living. It is not Christ-like when we are only Christians on Sundays and act UN-Christ-like other days. There's must be an evident of this gift of Grace manifesting in us. You can't be sleeping with another man's wife or husband and say the Grace covers you, NO!, that is abuse of the gift of Grace within you. You can be stealing, lying, taking bribe, cheating, mastur.bating, hating, etc and claim to exercise the grace of God because when Christ died by his body on the Christ, we also became dead to sin, how then shall we continue to live in sin anymore?

Today, there's an opportunity to receive the Grace of God, for those who have not receive this gift (Christ). When Christ comes into you, it convicts you of your old sinful lives, it courses you to repent and deposit in you the empowerment to live the Christian virtue where sin abound. Receive the Grace of the Living today and everything shall follow well for you. Thank you, you're bless!

Zikkyy: Are you Jesus?

shdemidemi: Like Paul says, man never knew what sin was before the law. What you refer to be a sin today is what the law calls a sin. Therefore the law exposed sin to us, exactly what Gods intention was before the law was given.


Romans 5:20
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
20 The law was brought in so that more people would sin the way Adam did. But where sin increased, there was even more of God’s grace.

What you need to do is to stop looking at sin from the eye of the law because just like you are not under the law of Moses as a Christian, you are also not under sin.

You mentioned when you are in Christ everything is new... This statement remains through in the spirit cos the day you become a Christian you automatically have 2 natures- the old nature which you always had and a new one which you just got through Christ. There will always be a conflict due to resident information present in us and the new information that will come (that is, the right information). A lack of the right information will always give rise to and opportunity for the wrong to express itself.

So the more you feed the new spirit with the word of God, the more you deny the old nature from expressing itself. It is never automatic cos the Bible says:
2 Corinthians 3:18
Amplified Bible (AMP)
18 And all of us, as with unveiled face, [because we] continued to behold [in the Word of God] as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are constantly being transfigured into His very own image in ever increasing splendor and from one degree of glory to another; [for this comes] from the Lord [Who is] the Spirit.


Judas betrayed Christ. Of course what He did is wrong but God needed someone to commit that act cos Jesus had to die. It's better you concentrate on your walk with Christ instead of trying to do Gods work by trying to make everyone do right. God needs the good,bad ugly to solve the puzzle.

I think that should be enough for now.

Zikkyy: Yes, i can



Yes, i can



If you say so



This na bad belle



i hope i did not disappoint

Zikkyy: i can see you made up ya mind to obey mosaic law thereby ignoring Christ law. so when are you having your next burnt offering service? i need to visit you. i want to witness it and if possible record it so generations to come can see what a burnt offering service looks like

Zikkyy: Lol! am not sure you read my post. you must have programmed yaself to respond in a particular to my post

Zikkyy: you people are as confused as ever. if you look at the law, you will not see Jesus o! you more likely to see Moses if you want to see Jesus look at the revised law instead

Zikkyy: you are either confused or you are deceiving yourself. oga image123, you mean you need an incomplete law to show you your faults okay for those faults not covered by the law (see Mathew 5 for sample), tell me how the law will 'mirror' you (pardon my grammar ) and tell us the solution provided in the law (mosaic). You can see you are deceiving yourself you better move up to the next level, come join the happening guys & gurls in Christ



Now that you found the truth, why are stuck to a law that was given to show you the truth? abi you never recover from the shock you better move on by taking the next step (Jesus is calling you )



so this is why you chose to remain old school? lazy man



...you agree that there is a new covenant/agreement and it is better. that's good



Image123, you are not a serious man o! so you even know the mosaic law cannot help you i.e. it is not a law for you, so why the do or die approach to defending a usefulness you know was never there you know you have been defending it as if your means of livelihood depends on adherence to the mosaic law



so why not allow love take control instead of this ya mechanical approach to obedience if you allow a love driven approach to obeying God's command, you will not even remember that there is a mosaic law somewhere. Only those peeps deceiving themselves or forcing themselves to obeying God commands remembers the mosaic law. You know the law was meant for evil doers. Do you belong to that camp?

Zikkyy: Response to both laws (Christ & Mosaic) is based on obedience. The difference? Obedience to Christ law is driven by love while obedience to mosaic law is by force True Christians don't obey mosaic law, they obey Christ law. So where do you stand. what laws are you keeping? Christ or Moses?

Mintayo: at my post- I MEAN HE(obadiah) DOES NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT IN HIM.

God does not HAVE PROBLEM WITH OUR BEING RICH,HE ONLY HAVE PROBLEM WITH OUR BEING ''COVETOUS''(Covetuousness is the major issue not riches)

Shalom.

obadiah777: MORE LIKE A BUTT-WHOOPING. THERE HANDS ARE TOO SHORT TO BOX WITH YAH. WE HAVE BEEN GIVING THEM SPIRITUAL BUTT WHOOPINGS FOR 3 DAYS STRAIGHT BUT THEY KEEP COMING BACK. THAT DOUGIVILLA IS A RESILIENT DEMON. HE IS AS STIFF NECKED AND REBELLIOUS AS CAN BE. HE NEEDS TO BE REFINED IN BRIMSTONE AND FIRE SO HE CAN GET HIS RIGHT MIND BACK AGAIN. POOR SOUL HAS LOST WHATS LEFT OF HIS MIND

obadiah777: WE ( MOSTHIGH AND MYSELF ) GOT THE SAME SPIRIT IN US. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT CALIBRATED. AND FOR YOU TO CALL THE HOLY SPIRIT, A DEMONIC SPIRIT MEANS YOU ARE A REPROBATE SCOFFER LOL

ISAIAH 5 VS 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter

obadiah777: DELUSION DEY WORRY YOU

brilapluz: atleast tank God u agree dat livin christ-like is livin in an atmosphere of LOVE! And dats wat U need nothin MORE..no stories,or permutations..LIVE A LIFE FILLED WITH LOVE..where i stand?..i stand in d law of christ which is LOVE..hope dats not 2 hard 2 grasp?..lol

brilapluz: hahahahaha...really..i wil take dat as a compliment..1-1*wink*.

obadiah777: THANKS FOR CORRECTING THAT PUGNACIOUS BELLICOSE CANTANKEROUS LOQUACIOUS BELLIGERENT BOISTEROUS REPROBATE SCOFFER CALLED DOUGIVILLA

Alwaystrue: @Image123,
Infact....you have quoted it all. Thanks for summarising it. He who has ears, let him hear.


You have summed it beautifully here and said all that I had been trying to say. God bless you and may you grow more in Grace and favour of God.

NOWHERE in the bible was it said the law was evil. It was a mirror that always showed faults and Jesus came and fulfilled the law as it should and showed us the law of the Spirit (as seen in the fruits of the Spirit) which is the source to fulfil the law. Thus looking in the mirror as a renewed christian, we see Jesus in us. The day I got understanding of this, I now understand why the Grace Jesus gave us is priceless.

Zikkyy: so this is the reason you've been calling me reprobate you are thinking new set of law



I will try

1. Christ law is perfect (complete) -- Mosaic law incomplete
2. Christ law applies to everybody -- Mosaic law was given to the Jews
3. Motives for practicing differs
Christ law - motive for adhering/obedience to Christ's law is love.
Mosaic law - Fear being the motive for compliance (ask the regular tithers ),
3b. Christ law - Being based on love, it is no longer a burden and much easier to obey
Mosaic law - Because it is by force, it became a burden for the those subjected to the law.
4. Mosaic law focused on external acts. (the reason one can say he has satisfied the command not to kill even when there is hate in his heart)
Christ law - obedience comes from the mind/heart. actions are based on the state of the heart.

My brother check yourself o! if your response to the law is based on fear, then you are old school (the mosaic school ), For Christians that respond to Christ law (the law based on love), the mosaic law is irrelevant

brilapluz: U r one funny fella...tot U liked dat 'reprobate..record'...now its 'lawless'...hahahahahahahaha...hope it doesnt turn out 2 b a 'crackd cd' soon...gues U hv exhausted ur vocabs bruv..lol