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obadiah777: SUP BROTHER MOSTHIGH. SHALOM

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ayoku777: Oga MostHigh

Sin is not in the world because the Law hasn't been fulfilled, sin is in the world coz people are not being led of the Spirit of God that the finished work of Christ gives to all who accept Christ. The solution to carnality in the life of a believer isn't moral laws but the spirit-led life.

So the law stands fulfilled and will never be required again, whether for salvation or for righteousness or even perfection. Its all faith in Christ and fellowship with His spirit now

Does faith in yashua not directly imply faith in his works?

And from your intepretation it would seem that the heavens and earth have passed away already

Na wa for these Lawless men o.

Zikkyy: This man na wa for you so you really expect me to answer this question?

see you.

You dey shame abi wetin?

Ayomivic: what contribution do you want me to make on this issue? Are you confused? I believe children should know that what Obadiah is saying here is wrong. Pls don't be misled.

On the contrary no confusion here

Its all lucid.

shdemidemi: I knew you were gonna run away or come up with a vague or irrational reply.. Does Mathew 5:18 answer the 5:19 you have been clamouring about?

Wise man if all has been fulfilled on the cross as you say then why is there still sin in the world?

And what about your own cross?

Are you rushing towards it.

Or running away from it?

Do you understand what the word fulfilled means?

shdemidemi: How can you ever understand what that statement means, when you are stacked on one verse of the bible even when I have explained it to you.

I made that above statement and it is right if only you would study. The Jews and most especially the disciples were concerned about their king' s coming even after the supposed king was not accepted. He was killed and his blood was for the propitiation of sin for mankind which involves the Gentiles but with the caveat of belief. At this present time we are not preaching kingdom to Christians because we are a mythical body of Christ, He is the head and we are the church is the body.

you are truly rebeliouse and lawless.

Is that single verse not conclusive enough for you regarding your debate?

Is it not piercing enough seeing that it is the word of the son of God.?

You choose to hind behind confused words

@shdemidemi Like I told you before, gentile believers don't see Christ as our king albeit he is a king in heaven.

@mosthigh

ayoku777 the above is shdemidemi's stance on Yashua ibn joseph and his coming kingdom.

Strange as it may seem your man thinks of himself as:

1. A gentile

2. A subject to the king in spirit only and not in flesh.

Just out of curiosity are you of the same opinion or is this just a case of the blind leading the blind?

shdemidemi: @ayoku

That MostHigh guy is not ready to learn. He thinks the bible is 1 stagnant revelation. he picks a quote and dwell on that quote. I advice you direct your energy to those who will argue objectively.

Is that all you have to say in the face of the masters words?

Yashua is the definitive authority regarding the place of the LAW.

You and your kind are over 2 billion in number I know thats why you have a false sense of security

but judgement is coming

are you prepared?

ayoku777: Ok since this is the scripture you've been quoting now for the past 5 threads. What commandments was Jesus talking about?

Just like the greeks you guys love arguing for arguments sake.

He was talking about the Commandments of the most high God?

ayoku777: You don't answer any question I post to you, all you do is avoid them and reply with bitterness. Read that Acts 15 well, I didn't make it up. The Holy Spirit gave the command not to BURDEN the believers with the moral laws.

READ AGAIN I HAVE ANSWERD ALL YOUR QUESTIONS

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

ayoku777: @ MostHigh

So now you're quoting the epistles again, good. So what of the part that says '...the law is not made for a righteous man'. Now who is a righteous man? Someone who has put his faith in Christ's death and resurrection, Rom 10v10, 'for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness'. So if the law is not made for a righteous man, how is the trangression of the law relevant to such a man who has been made righteous through faith in Christ.

So you say the ceremonial laws are still relevant, so I guess you also don't shave your beards and you also condemn to hell everyone with an incision, whether tattoo or tribal mark

Have you also read the apostolic council where the holy spirit said not to burden the believer with the moral laws? Acts 15v28 'for it seemed good to THE HOLY SPIRIT, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things'. And among those 'necessary things', murder, coveting your neighbours wife and belongings, bearing false witness, using the Lord's name in vain etc, were no where to be found.

So if you claim not keeping the law makes us rebrobates, then your blasphemy is that the holy spirit makes us rebrobates, coz the instruction to not burden the believers with these things came from him

OF COURSE THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS MADE YOU REPROBATE

HAVE YE NOT READ ABOUT THE WHEAT AND THE TARES

OR OF THE STUMBLING BLOCK

The law IS NOT A BURDEN FOR ME OR MY MASTER WE OBEY IT WILLINGLY AND FEVERENTLY (THE ZEAL IS CONSUMING)

And guy the LAW is the LAW if they charged them not observe unholy things through the LAW how then do you fight that same LAW?

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR LAWLESSNESS!

@ayoku777 If ye be are led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law, that's what Galatians said, so being led of the spirit is not obeying the law, even if it seems you do good under both.

@mosthigh

ayoku777 ye are truly blinedeD by your lust for the world

contrary to what you have written above being led by the spirit does not mean being LAWLESS which is the same thing as not obeying the law.

Rather it is being the fullfilment of the law, no longer obliged but by free will

GOSHEN AND HIS DESCIPLES IF YOU WERE TRULY BORN OF OR AFTER THE SPIRIT OF YASHUA THEN YOU WOULD NOT FEEL OPPRESSED WHEN SOMEONE SASYS THOU SHALT NOT STEAL

ANON YOUR JOY WOULD KNOW NO BOUNDS WHEREVER THIS TRUTH WAS PROFESSED

BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE OF THE DEVIL YOUR FATHER YOU DONT EVEN WANT TO HEAR US TELL THE CHILDREN THOU SHAT CIRCIMCISES YOUR CHILDREN IN THIER FORESKINS

TO YOU THIS IS UNECESSARY WE SHOULD ALL JUST PRACTICE THIS NEW LOVE THAT GOSHEN IS PEDDLING

FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEATH.

Goshen360: @ MostHigh,

Where in scriptures does the bible called or says some laws of Moses are classified into moral, some ceremonial etc? Do you mind showing us what chapter and verses please.

I have made no such claim and besides there is no one place where this is expressly stated in the torah.

And even if there was and it was revealed to you, you would still rage against the Most High God and his words.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Stop preaching lawlessness |Goshen.

@ayoku777 The whole law has been done away with, when Christ through his death and resurrection fulfilled them. So if you still agree the law is relevant, you don't get to be selective on which part is relevant, its either all or none. So if Christ fulfilled all the law, then all is done away with in Him, moral and ceremonial. So now we are righteous through faith in him and grow unto perfection through fellowship with the Spirit, and now when we study the scriptures we no longer do it as a rule book, the way it was done before Christ came, but now as a book of prophecy that are fulfilled in Christ.

@Mosthigh It is you that has been done away with and you are already beneath the feet of the ellect as prophesised by the master.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You are apparently ok with being called the least in the coming kingdom.

Lawless Antichrist.
Keep on teaching LAWLESSNESS

ayoku777: So the letters of the apostles are not scriptures in your own opinion?

And which words of the master showed that he fulfilled only the ceremonial laws but we still need to keep the moral ones?

Next time don't cleverly avoid the question coz the answer will checkmate your view. The WHOLE LAW is done away with in Christ

Reprobate


If the whole law is done away with then what about sin?

Is sin done away with as well?

Sin is the transgression of the LAW.

Lawless man.

ayoku777: @ mosthigh, you're wrong

If ye be are led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law, that's what Galatians said, so being led of the spirit is not obeying the law, even if it seems you do good under both.

And why do lovers of the law get selective on the law they emphasize? They only major on the moral laws of dos and donts and leave the ceremonial laws of sacrifices, feasts and offerings. You claim the law is still revelant but you obey only the moral ones and leave the ceremonial ones, that's hypocrisy. Jesus fulfilled all the law, so its either the whole law is still relevant or the whole law has been done away with. So if you say breaking the ten commandments is sin, you must also agree that being clean shaven is sin and even having tribal marks is sin, coz the same law forbids polling the edges of your beard and having any form of incision on your skin

The whole law has been done away with, when Christ through his death and resurrection fulfilled them. So if you still agree the law is relevant, you don't get to be selective on which part is relevant, its either all or none. So if Christ fulfilled all the law, then all is done away with in Him, moral and ceremonial. So now we are righteous through faith in him and grow unto perfection through fellowship with the Spirit, and now when we study the scriptures we no longer do it as a rule book, the way it was done before Christ came, but now as a book of prophecy that are fulfilled in Christ.

ayoku777 You are a truly presumptious fellow.

@ayoku777 And why do lovers of the law get selective on the law they emphasize? They only major on the moral laws of dos and donts and leave the ceremonial laws of sacrifices, feasts and offerings. You claim the law is still revelant but you obey only the moral ones and leave the ceremonial ones,

1. If you were a true follower of yashua you would know that the body is the temple and as such all ceremony is transfered to the body (bodily worship) read your book of hebrews

Seeing that there is a new priesthood it is only logical that there be a change of the ordinances (and not an abolition as the lawless heathens claim)

2. it is only western christianity that has completely done away with the feasts that the most high God states are forever.

In eastern christiinity armenian, egyptian,indian,ethiopian e.t.c there are still elements of torah living especially regarding feast days (passover, trumpets and tabernacles)

ayoku777: @ mosthigh, you're wrong

If ye be are led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law, that's what Galatians said, so being led of the spirit is not obeying the law, even if it seems you do good under both.

And why do lovers of the law get selective on the law they emphasize? They only major on the moral laws of dos and donts and leave the ceremonial laws of sacrifices, feasts and offerings. You claim the law is still revelant but you obey only the moral ones and leave the ceremonial ones, that's hypocrisy. Jesus fulfilled all the law, so its either the whole law is still relevant or the whole law has been done away with. So if you say breaking the ten commandments is sin, you must also agree that being clean shaven is sin and even having tribal marks is sin, coz the same law forbids polling the edges of your beard and having any form of incision on your skin

The whole law has been done away with, when Christ through his death and resurrection fulfilled them.

STOP QUOTING THE EDIFYING LETERS WRITTEN BETWEEN THE ELECT

AND QUOTE THE WORDS OF THE MASTER ON THIS ISSUE

HE IS THE DEFINITIVE AUTHORITY.

Goshen360: "Continue to sin or sinning Christian" doesn't mean one will not sin tomorrow but it means, one don't keep doing or committing SAME SIN EVERYDAY that the Grace may keep abounding. To me and from scriptures, that's abuse of Grace of God under the new covenant.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE IS NO MORE LAW FOR THE CHRISTIAN

SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW

WHY IS THE CHRISTIAN STILL CONCIUOSE OF SIN IF THERE IS NO LAW IN HIS LIFE?


lAWLESS ANTICHRISTA LIKE YOURSELF,

TEACHING THE CHILDREN LAWLESSNESS

Goshen360: Under Deuteronomy 28, you have to keep the whole commandments to blessings to effect on those under the law and same for curses. That is, there are blessings and curse but subject to keeping ALL commandments laid down.

Under the better covenant, blessings are not subject to keeping ALL commandments of the mosaic law because Christ paid it all, took away the curses of the law and became a curse under the new covenant that the blessings might come upon us.

We live under a better covenant with better promises and under these new/better covenant, there's no curses but blessings because Christ already redeemed us from the curses of the law, leaving us with only blessings.

The Master Yashua Ibn Joseph Quoted from the book of deutronomy more than any other book in the torah.

Deutronomy means a reminder of the LAW

So in other words the sermon on the mount is pure LAW seeing the master is reminding his TRUE followers about the importance of the WORD

1. for reproof

2. for instructions in rightousness

Goshen360: Under Deuteronomy 28, you have to keep the whole commandments to blessings to effect on those under the law and same for curses. That is, there are blessings and curse but subject to keeping ALL commandments laid down.

Under the better covenant, blessings are not subject to keeping ALL commandments of the mosaic law because Christ paid it all, took away the curses of the law and became a curse under the new covenant that the blessings might come upon us.

We live under a better covenant with better promises and under these new/better covenant, there's no curses but blessings because Christ already redeemed us from the curses of the law, leaving us with only blessings.

Goshen seeing that every priesthood has ordinances...

What are the ordinances of this your lawless priesthood?

Is it just complete denial of the efficacy of the written word?

Goshen360: You're simply insulting the finished works of the cross bro. A Christian is not cursed anymore because he/she falls into sin under the new covenant, he/she don't just continue to make a practice of sin, it does not say anywhere in the new covenant that curse return on such person.

Your confusion mirrors a truly Lawless mind

Where do you come up with such doctrines and teaching them as commandments

Meanwhile you put the fathers commandments aside

Ye are truly burning already.

Every word spoken in the bible is judgement, surely you know you cannot escape the impending judgement.

Goshen360: Yes, Joseph Prince is a Grace teacher. Creflo Dollar just embraced the Gospel of Grace and he is a new friend to Joseph Prince. Les Feldick is also a Grace teachers. As in Nigeria, the people I can point to, based on my knowledge is Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and Tunde Bakare. I may not know of others who are also Grace gospel teachers but Joseph Prince is into it with full force. But, they all still mix it with the law in the aspect of tithe. I do not discredit them on the tithe premise anyway because I understand we cannot all agree and be perfect in doctrines. They teach tithe before the law with the case of Abraham but we all know that negates the Grace giving under the dispensation of Grace.

Rambblings of a lawless man.

anukulapo: I am so sure that no one can argue concretely otherwise that this is the dispensation of grace.

What I see here is the variation in the understanding of "grace".

@goshen,@shdemidemi
I suggest you name popular ministers that teach rightly about this "grace" that you try to show us. Maybe if the message is being heard from another source,it might be easily understood.

Cheers.

And we shall continue to quotethe master preadventure your stiff necks might be loosened

The master obeyed the law to the letter because he is an obedient Son

What is your excuse?

Goshen360: @ anukulapo,

That's a very good question. I will answer you in details later. What I clear see most Nigeria pastors do is, mix or dilutes grace gospel with the law of Moses. I will not mention names but stay more with the word, you will clearly see them in the light of the word.

When Paul, the apostle spoke of "no other gospel", meaning, there's just one gospel, that gospel is the gospel of Grace.

Lawless Antichrist its always about paul for you never about Yashua.

Goshen360: They believe or are saying only faith or believing in Christ and his finished works is just too simply. They argue that, obeying the law of Moses and its commandments are also required in addition to faith in Christ. That's all I see except they wanna answer for themselves.

This is your misconception

We are saying that if you live life exactly as yashua lives then you will be obeying the law daily in your lives

The Unrepentant lawless man on the other hand says that live your life as you see fit, there is no need to live exactly as yashua lives, just be good.

Goshen you are truly Lawless.

Zikkyy: Please answer debosky's question, now that you are of the opinion that the commandments are plenty tells us God's commandment(s) that we are required to keep



all this time, i was thinking circumcision was on Bidam's list of part of God's 'commandment(s)'

Hey man are you circumsciced in your foreskin?

An if your answer is yes then why?

obadiah777: BRUV, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NO PHYSICALLY DEAD PERSON IS GOING TO BE WAKING UP. THAT AINT WHAT THAT VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK THIS IS ? A MICHEAL JACKSON THRILLER VIDEO ? SMDH

I taya for d guy interpretation

lol!!

shdemidemi: The coming of Christ for the church was described-

15 What we tell you now is the Lord’s own message. Those of us who are still living when the Lord comes again will join him, but not before those who have already died. 16 The Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. And the people who have died and were in Christ will rise first.

And this is the first coming. Every one justified at this time will come with Christ for the second advent for the 12 tribes of Israel.as explained-


Matthew 19:28
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
28 Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel.

Guy you talk too much out of point.

By your words you will be judged.

shdemidemi: Yashua is the way the truth and the life

No man comes to the father except by him

So how does that tell me how to be saved...

In response to the bolded..

By living exactly as Yashua ibn joseph lived which will ultimately lead you to a jewish way of life

and not a Yoruba or ibo or even hausa way of life.

Why are you boldly proclaiming the most high has no culture?

Are you an elder amongst dem Christians and not know this truth?

Truly the spirit of antichrist is raging for she knoweth her time is come.

shdemidemi: The mistake you are making is putting so much emphasis on the kingdom of Israel. The king has come and he has gone. Like I told you before, gentile believers don't see Christ as our king albeit he is a king in heaven. We are part of him now, He is the head and we are the body, therefore, all we seek is our departure to the kingdom of heaven and not a king coming to us to form a kingdom on earth. Jesus is the king of the Jews but a saviour of the gentile.

Understand that bit and things will be much clearer to you.

Ye do err not knowing the scriptures nor the power of the most high God.

The mistake you are making is putting so much emphasis on the kingdom of Israel. The king has come and he has gone. Like I told you before, gentile believers don't see Christ as our king albeit he is a king in heaven.


Truly this is the spirit of antichrist

By spiritualising the throne of David you are raging just as it is prophesised in the 2nd psalm.

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

You deny yashua his throne on earth?

This your doctrine is your undoing

Who are you?

shdemidemi: Abraham's circumcision has nothing to do with the promise cos He was circumcised after the promise, read the book properly. Gentiles became his sons through faith and not through circumcision or lack of it.
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

As above so below.

If one is a Jew inwardly then he must be one outwardly as well

unless the individual is psychotic.

shdemidemi: So, I should be a proselyte to be Part of the Lords people?..how does "I am the way" mean I should become a Jew ? Where was I thought to be like a Jew to be saved?
See, criteria for salvation is believing Christ died and Ressurected. SIMPLE.

Oracles of God means initial word and knowledge of God.

Salvation in yashua yes true

But everyman run a race and if so there must be some reward at the end (judgement)

From your words you are not aware of the impending judgement, and keep on insisting you have grace and have no need for good works.