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Henry240:
Your(Denel's) claims have proven to be fraudulent. The claims have reduced you to making idiomatic expressions about bread.

Henry, give me one ATGM in the whole universe that can engage the target at 8Km? Mokopa has done it successfully the first time and the second time using Gripen laser beams it narrowly missed the target. Now give us only one ATGM that can achieve that or else you will as well be reduced to a loser like your fellow agaugust.

agaugust:
Algeria has wasted it's money on Denel product. Algeria was deceived.

Today Mokopa fails and missed target at 8km, sure it will miss target at 6km.

Mokopa makes South African made weapons a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

SANDF's claimed equipment combat capabilities are all fake !
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Bwahahaha… Why dont you talk about the first launched missile that made the successful engagement with the use of ground laser beams? You go around cherry picking and beating about the bush knowing well that mokopa made a succeasful hit the first time. Lets talk about it.

agaugust:
Today Mokopa fails and missed target at 8km, sure it will miss target at 6km.

Mokopa makes South African made weapons a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

SANDF's claimed equipment combat capabilities are all fake !

END OF STORY !
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You failed to tell us about one missile you know that can engage the target successfully at that range of 8Km. You failed to take the terrain into consideration because the denel missile testing range is mountainous and thus makes it difficult for the laser beam to remain tightly locked to the target. You should also take the platform that was used to shed laser beam to the target in consideration.


YOU LOSE!!!

Henry240:
Buhahahahahahahahahahahaha.......


Marketing claim = 10km

Performance = can't hit a target at 8km

Reality = most likely won't hit a target at 100 meters

Give us one ATGM missile in the world that can hit the target at that range.

Agaugust, I am asking again. Give us two-to-three ATGM missiles you know that can engage the target at 8Kms?

agaugust:
Denel's logic did not advertise that its power thrust will fail before 10 km, they said it has 10 km attack range, and ex-SAAF air force chief called it an 'over the horizon distance missile'. Denel logic does not agree with you.....LOL....Denel logic makes South Africa 'smarter' than Europe in technology....LOL.....pride goes before a fall....LOL...laughing in Zulu.

Meanwhile, Saaengine and THIZA have run away into hiding as Mokopa + Rooivalk + Gripen threefold combination backbone of SAAF, missed easy pre-arranged target in broad daylight .....LOL....laughing in Xhosa & Ndebele....LOL
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Bwahahahaha… there is no country in the world as in current that can hit the target at that range using a gunship. Only Rooivalk that can do that.


Bwahahaha…

Aguagu thinks missile range follow a displacement. Missiles do not engage targets in a straight line. You can stand exactly 8km distance away and the missile can decide to take over 8Km because of turns it makes throughout its flight.

Ouch!! Aguagu fails yet again.

agaugust:
Ouch!! SANDF Rooivalk + Gripen + Mokopa fails yet again.
Show us proof of your above claim, show us where manufacturers say 10 km missile will not hit target at 10 km....Denel claimed 10 km range for Mokopa, they did not advertise that its power thrust will fail before 10 km, they it has 10 km attack range.....anyway its now downgraded to 5 km in reality

Aguagu, that is very logic. Missile's range are controlled by the motor engine mounted in them and as soon as the missile is launched it loses its thrusting power throughout its journey. Remember that the missile makes turns and twists throughout its flight and requires power. If the missile ranges up to 8Km, it will not mean that targets will have to be engaged at maximum range because you will only remain a fool to engage targets at that range. It will be a waste because you will stand 99% chance to miss the target.

Agaugust give me any of the ATGMs you know that can engage the target at the range of 8Km? You haven't answered me yet because all the missiles you listed have max range of 8Km and will never engage target at that range because the rotor engine would have depleted its thrusting power before it reaches that range. Chances will be 90% sure case that the target will be missed.

Ouch!! Agaugust fails yet again.

agaugust:
Russian Kornet and Chinese Red Arrow ATGM have 8km missile ranges against targets.

Soweto fool

Your knowledge concerning missiles is up to shiit. With 8Km missiles does not mean you have to engage targets at exactly 8Km because the weapon will be ineffective. It works the same with a riffle. If the missile range is 8Km it means you will have to be as far as 6Km or at least around that vicinity in order for the weapon to be effective. Use your science knowledge, you fool.

Mokopa is undoubtedly the most powerful long range ATGM in the planet. It has with no doubt proved that it can defeat many SAMs systems in the world where gripen will fly overhead at maximum ceiling and only use its laser beams to guide the missile to the target (SAMs systems) while the Rooivalk is beyond visual range. Very powerful indeed. Many countries will undoubtedly order Mokopa missile.

agaugust:
Russian Kornet and Chinese Red Arrow ATGM have 8km missile ranges against targets.

South African Mokopa missile is a failure ! Rooivalk + Gripen cannot hit easy target that has been neatly pre-arranged to be easy for them by Denel.

SANDF cannot kill even one tank with guided missile using $100 million worth of jet + helicopter double combination....

Those Nigerian air force officers that attended your failed demo show have filed report by now in red bold letters....CAUTION, DO NOT BUY: $40 MILLION ROOIVALK CANNOT GUIDE A GUIDED MISSILE TO TARGET.....all potential customers laughed and mocked the show of shame as SAAF fires and missed easy target at home
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8Km range missiles will safely engage targets at 6Km you fool. Give us any of the ATGMS missiles that can engage the target at 8Km.

Henry240:
Patrick, please fill appropriately.

I guess that form would be best for your use. You prescribed yourself the right medicine for yourself.

agaugust:
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$40 million Rooivalk fires Mokopa missile and MISSED target.. Proudly made in South Africa

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Obsolete Rooivalk helicopter launched the over-rated 10 km range Mokopa missile at a range of 8 km, which followed the laser beam from a Gripen jet, but missed the target.


http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-42356/

Failure of the decade
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/denel-ah2-rooivalk/images/rooivalk5.jpg

Once a fool, always a fool. It is very impossible for a missile to hit a target using another platforms (gripen) laser beam and launch a missile at a long range of over 8km and still narrowly missed the target. It is not an easy task. Currently, there is no any gunship that can do that, not even Apache AH-64.


I quote:

The first firing involved the Rooivalk successfully firing the missile at a target that was laser designated from the ground. The second firing the following day was not quite as smooth - the target was laser designated by a Gripen flying overhead. The Rooivalk launched the missile at a range of 8 km, which followed the laser beam from the Gripen, but narrowly missed the target Quote closed.

That means the mighty ROOIVALK can do what other gunships cannot do by demolishing targets using other platforms laser beams and not its own laser designators.

HENRY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THIS AND NEITHER IS AGAUGUST.

Those are the capabilities of Rooivalk, meaning Gripen and other platforms can as well laser guide weapons lauched by Rooivalk to take out Air defence systems.

agaugust:
Bwahaha

Nigeria was invited and we went like others went. Egypt has about 40 Apaches, they wont buy a lesser rated Rooivalk that has not seen 1% of the wars Apache has fought in 20 years of combat history. Nigeria is looking at several helicopters, NAF wont spend $40 million on Rooivalk when T-129 ATAK costs only $20 million and has latest 2014 avionics and design.

Lol, Denel is desperate to find buyer for Roovalk and is inviting countries to look at its show.....Nobody has promised to spend $1 on the Rooivalk, they all looked at it and walked away back home.
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Nigeria went at own accord mumu. They are currently in desperation for an attack helicopter.

agaugust:
Hell broke loose in Bangui 2013, where did your SANDF not stay there to stop the hell ? Cowards !!!

You question is unconstructive because the SANDF primary objective of being in CAR was to upgrade the FACA military. Such deployment became possible through MoU which was signer between the two countries. The FOMAC failed to stop Seleka as it was their responsibility to enforce peace, not SANDF. Ask those unconstructive questions to FOMAC not SANDF.

Henry240:
It turns out Nigeria could potentially also build the Rooivalk MK2. It means we would upgrade the helicopter from it state of obsolescence. It says it right there in that article.

Then why can't they do it and see?

gottfried21:
Since Yesterday was Valentine's Day
I'd like to dedicate this post to a man that I truly love...The Founding father of the Namibian Nation
His never say die attitude is a quality that reflects on the Namibian people at large...I'd like to share a quote that displays his courage where he directly calls out our biggest adversary at the time (Not too sure about the direct translation but oh well)
"The South Africans cannot fire the atom bomb in Windhoek,they will kill themselves .Atom bombs also contain poisonous radioactive waste,They will die themselves there,They will die.They cannot fight in Johannesburg.But we will fight there in Johannesburg and we will also fight in Windhoek...Of course the fight will end up in the defeat of the South Africans,They are only in the position to postpone the day of reckoning.The day of their defeat,it will come and it is drawing closer particularly in Namibia because I am the Commander in Chief of the PLAN(People's Liberation Army of Namibia) and I know what I'm
doing"~Dr Sam Nujoma
No offense to all my South African brother's

So much talk that couldn't materialised either. What is so sad is that he couldn't fight in either Windhoek or Johannesburg but Apartheid forces invaded his land and he disappeared in exile for 30 good years.

That man is more like so many former ANC military wing called Mkhonto we Sizwe (MK) who fled the country yet could speak volume about their bravery. Cowards is their name.

lionel4power:
1) A toyota land cruiser has a max spped of 210KM/H while a 60mm/120mm mortar has a blasst radius of just 40m/60m. a land cruiser on max speeds has neutralize the mortar.
2) unit price of 1 unit of Javelin ATGM is US$246,000,Price of a TOW misssile In FY 2015 is $58,908 for just one missile so multiply that with probably 200 terrorist technicals and see your countries resources burn out.

3) mortars are area effect munitions and as such widely inaccurate. at 10km u cant hit sh|t.

Have you seen the rain of mortar?

Maybe, agaugust would illicitly explain to us what had Barlow and his men were doing in Nigeria? Barlow is not a mechanic either, he is a co-founder of Executive Outcomes, PMC company and former special operator.




http://sofrep.com/40608/eeben-barlow-south-african-pmc-devestates-boko-haram-pt1/

agaugust:
False story, South African mercenaries do NOT exist and NEVER existed in Nigeria, we hired your men as basic mechanics for SA made MRAPS and new Gazelle helicopter to do repairs and engine servicing.

Or I guess the 100 Cuban ex-army mechanics maintaining SANDF vehicles are mercenaries too, they came to help South African army fight Rhino poachers and to train your army in combat tactics from Cuban bush war experience of Angola, the tactics tbey used to beat up yöur white masters SADF.

http://www.olisa.tv/2015/10/22/no-south-african-mercenaries-are-helping-nigeria-to-fight-boko-haram-defence-headquarters/
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Don't bring stale news because I brought you something fresh.

Bwahahaha… Confirmed by Buhari because Jonathan never wanted to come out with it because of shame and so he had to create propaganda to come out of the corner. If it was confirmed by Buhari then we don't need a ruler. It is straight forward. Jonathan also hired hinds gunships from South Africa.

agaugust:
Liar !!!!

I live in USA, there is NO reserve of private clinical practice for local indeginous doctors. Many immigrant doctors have just private clinics where they are their own boss, because it is easier work.

Zulu Bantus have no brain to study medicine and surgery, you need Nigerian doctors to keep South African citizens alive or else Zulu man go die plenty o !

OK, do you mean America that is in your dreams? What I know is that America is largely capitalist state where private sector dominate over public sector same as South Africa which is free market system. Private clinics and hospital are private and they are owned by individuals who would normally prefer local trained doctors than foreign doctors. Now that's why public sector would run for foreign doctors from poor countries to look out for citizens who would normally not afford private medical care.


We have many Zulu doctors who have private surgeries in black townships dummy and mostly have studied in former black only medical university called MEDUNSA.

bidexiii:
So russia and China are third world countries while south Africa is a first world country......you must be sick....

Hey!! Stop the lorry.

http://www.coolgeography.co.uk/A-level/AQA/Year%2013/Development%20&%20Globalisation/Trading%20blocks/Groupings%20of%20nations.htm

Buhari was infuriated when the mighty SA mercenaries took over. His interview in full.


https://www.today.ng/news/national/76799/full-qa-of-buharis-interview-with-uk-telegraph

iblawi:
Don't worry about him cos we know him for his madness.

It is not me they say so

http://www.southafrica.info/business/investing/open.htm#.VsIV6vlBtAg

agaugust:
Nigerians flock all round the world, there are millions of Nigerian immigrants in America, Europe, Asia, and Australia. You think its only South Africa they come to?

Nigerians are in your country to do the jobs and commerce that you lazy and illiterate blacks cannot do. Nigerian doctors and nurses are saving your lives in South African hospitals. How many Zulu-Xhosa-Ndebele-Bantu medical doctors exist among your 45 million blacks?

South African health system will collapse if all immigrant doctors leave your country, Illiterate Bantus will die in millions from sicknesses without these immgrant doctors and nurses from Nigeria and other African countries, you cannot survive without us.

UK and US has millions of foreign doctors who work in their public hospitals and have reserved positions for private clinics and hospitals for local doctors. Our doctors don't just want to be paid peanuts in government hospitals that's why SA has more private hospitals than public hospitals just like in highly developed countries and even when you close down public hospitals, SA health system will not collapse.

agaugust:
CORRUPTION RUNS IN THE BLOOD OF ALL SOUTH AFRICANS INCLUDING YOUR PREIDENT ZUMA THE THIEF WHO STOLE $23 MILLION.

For more than six years, South African President Jacob Zuma has been under pressure to reimburse the government for the $23 million in state funds that were used to make "improvements" to his private home near Nkandla, in KwaZulu-natal. Those supposed security upgrades include a swimming pool, an amphitheater and visitors' center.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-02-03/jacob-zuma-offers-pay-back-20-million-upgrades-his-private-home

The current Nigerian president Buhari is clean honest, but the current South African president Zuma is a big time $23 million thief !!!

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At least in SA we hold even the President accountable for maladministration. We force them to pay back. You will never see that in Nigeria.

agaugust:
South Africa is a 3rd world country too.

Nigeria has absolutely nothing to offer Africa, go ask Congo-Zaire, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Dafur-Sudan, Somalia.

Nigeria offers satellite services to European countries who depend on our satellite technology, not to mention African countries that use Nigerian satellites.

It's South Africa that has nothing to offer except xenophobia, killing fellow Africans in cold blood on your streets just because they are immigrant workers doing jobs and paying tax to your governement that feeds you lazy Zulu, Xhosa, Bantu parasites who refuse to work for a living.

I still do not believe that in 2016 there are still a number of people who think backward like those two little mountains on their backs. People whose mentality is still stuck to a colonial era kind of outdated geography where South Africa was highlighted as part of a third world country. Those elements fails to move with times to come to the realisation that the world is not static. We are living in a dynamic world, hence we have seen SA officially promoted to join first world countries as a Newly Industrialised Nation. That kind of new development, Agaugust will not take because he is already programmed by Nigeria's colonial based education that SA is a third world country.

Agaugust

South Africa settled all the loans of 1999 biggest arms deal in the African history.

The budget documents show there has been a significant drop in transfer payments at the department because the 1999 arms deal has finally been paid off.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2013/02/28/arms-deal-paid-defence-share-covers-africa-mission

Agaugust is down and out. No doubt about it.

agaugust:
Simple question we ask again and again, show us a Zulu mechanic employee that earns half a million Rands a year salary that SANDF pays each Cuban mechanic.

There are many of them and the space is just too small to show all of them. Private sector pays quite a lot more than SANDF.

Henry240:
South-Africa actually has only 3 Frigates in service. The fourth is out of commission.

Are you not ashamed to tell lies?