middlebelter:


Please understand our position clearly. For the purpose or record and avoidance of doubt, we are not supporting crime and will never support any criminal be they Nigerian or South Africans. However, we feel strongly about the way the locals are attacking Nigerians in the name of fighting drug pushers? Does your law support moab action against suspect that has not been proven guilty against an offence by a court of competent jurisdiction? ARE MOABS NOW SUPPOSE TO ASSUME THE WORK OF POLICE?
Just imagine if some South Africans in Nigeria were accused by people on the street and the next thing, Area Boys stormed their residence or shops unleash terror on them, kill some and burn their properties, how would you feel? Why will South African government allow touts to attack Nigerians, what is the work of police? In the process of trying to attack the guilty you end up killing many innocents? Is that a civilised approach to fight crime. You certainly have a long way to go. History have a funny way of repeating itself. You guy will soon get your fingers burnt again, it will be worse than apartheid, let me see the African country you will run for refuge.

ayenitre:


Isn't there a law against such in SA? Why dont you let the police do their freaking job?

This collective guilt syndrome is why I turned down a job offer from a south african I met in a conference in US. We got talking about our projects, he pulled out his card and asked if I will consider working for his firm. I told him point black: "I dont feel safe in SA, the regular Joe in SA sees me as a drug dealer". Looking back now, I tbought I made the right decision.

PROVERBZ:
I was just on sowetian live the south afri and there admitted unknowingly that it was south african chicks doing the prostitutions

u don't need to remind me of the crimes that Nigerians and oda nationals do in yer country a simple search on YouTube of hilbrow and Sunnyside was more than enough to make me cry yesterday

I also watched videos of xenophobia attacks although I couldn't even finish any of the videos I watched why don't dey just use guns instead of making someone go trough all that pain?


my question is were do this people get this drugs cuz here in Nigeria drugs is not our problem infact am not sure drugs grow here I wonder were they get them in sa

bakynes:

Take that protest to your parliament to make a law banning Nigerians that have no meaningful contribution to SA from entering your country and deporting illegal immigrant Nigerians.

Tell your brothers to stop behaving like they are in the stone age of babarism and tackle issues diplomatically.

In the late 70's when we didn't want Ghanaians in Nigeria we chased them out of Nigeria we didn't go about killing them on the streets like insects.

Be a voice of reasoning to your barbaric brothers.

KennyID17:


Nigerians sell drugs well in SA because y'all are crackheads, am not justifying the act but if there isn't a demand for a particular product, dealers would close shop or switch attention to other ventures.
Did u just say 12yr olds into prostitution, are they orphans? Don't they have parents? Whose duty is it to protect their wards from such acts, I guess u expect Nigerians to cine and do that for you as well, what a pathetic excuse u have there! Your problem is the level of moral decay in your country is alarming, if a 12yr old can b a prostitute, then parenting in SA is a shame!!

farouk0403:


I am not a drug addict nor do I have anything to do with drugs, you should not think that I am in support of drug addict or drug dealers, but I want you to take things diplomaticaly you should not take the law in your hands, if your country doesn't want drug dealers they should do as president Trump does to mexico by restricting the mexicans from entering USA,

Your country should also restrict Nigerians from your country it will be much more better than all these killings. Or your country should set a law just like Indonesia, malaysia and Arab countries.

eyinjuege:


You want to chase Nigerian drug lords away, to be replaced by South African Cartels?
I'm very sure we have drug lords who are South African, for sure. Are they the ones sponsoring you guys?
You say it's the Nigerians running the prostitution rings in your country? OK, its Nigerians that are responsible for the HIV epidermic in SA?, they're also responsible for the way you guys see unprotected sex as no biggie abi?
They're also responsible for how corrupt your police are who would let known drug lords walk about freely, without doing nothing?
You all need to go back to the drawing board and find out why your youths have lost all value Mr. Its not foreigners that are your problems o.
A lot of developed countries would collapse without foreigners in them btw. Of course we will always have the bad eggs amongst both foreigners and even locals. Thats just natural. Everybody cannot be good, but we shouldn't because of bad people take the law into our hands and start killing, and also STEALING from shops.
Don't be surprised that's the main reason for the attacks, and not any social justice ish.

KennyID17:


Nigerians sell drugs well in SA because y'all are crackheads, am not justifying the act but if there isn't a demand for a particular product, dealers would close shop or switch attention to other ventures.
Did u just say 12yr olds into prostitution, are they orphans? Don't they have parents? Whose duty is it to protect their wards from such acts, I guess u expect Nigerians to cine and do that for you as well, what a pathetic excuse u have there! Your problem is the level of moral decay in your country is alarming, if a 12yr old can b a prostitute, then parenting in SA is a shame!!

Brush1:
Has South Africans forgotten in a hurry how supportive the Nigerian Government were during apartheid?. How we spent a lot of our resources sending our soldiers over to help join forces at having them liberated. They do this to Nigerians?. I now comprehend the reason they were treated badly by whites. Those whites knew they are more animals than humans and didn't deserve freedom.

ayenitre:


Isn't there a law against such in SA? Why dont you let the police do their freaking job?

This collective guilt syndrome is why I turned down a job offer from a south african I met in a conference in US. We got talking about our projects, he pulled out his card and asked if I will consider working for his firm. I told him point black: "I dont feel safe in SA, the regular Joe in SA sees me as a drug dealer". Looking back now, I tbought I made the right decision.

middlebelter:


You have clearly shown by your comment the mindset of an average South African black. What you want us to believe is that South Africans are saints? Don't you know that it is absolutely impossible for foreigners to commit crime without active support or collaboration of the locals? It takes two to tango. Do you think an ordinary human being not doing drug will hack another human like the xenophobic guys are doing? You Government and police have failed to protect foreigners. You have completely lost sense of history. You have no idea the type of sacrifice made by Nigerian Government and people to bring the obnoxious apartheid policy to global attention and fight it.

I certainly place the blame at the door step of Successive administration in this country that embarks on policy that supports Africa at the expense of her national. We are wiser now, we must certainly assert ourselves and command respect. We not just going to seat and demand for respect, we are going to command respect.
We know the Zulus are backward in terms of civilization but we won't be victim of their lack of discernment.

farouk0403:

What a lame excuse, are you trying to tell me that all south Africans are saint? What happened to your police department? aren't they supposeto go for a patrol on those brothels?
citizens should not take the law in their hand, this is totally absurd.

You said that there are innocent Nigerians,why are you guys still killing them despite the fact you know that they are innocent ?

farouk0403:

What a lame excuse, are you trying to tell me that all south Africans are saint? What happened to your police department? aren't they supposeto go for a patrol on those brothels?
citizens should not take the law in their hand, this is totally absurd.

You said that there are innocent Nigerians,why are you guys still killing them despite the fact you know that they are innocent ?

farouk0403:


The south Africans are just tribal bigots and they cant help it.
The only way to show them our anger is to retaliate, not by shading of blood but in a diplomatic way and if they didn't adhere to our diplomatic approach then we can use the plan B.

And our government should show them our wrath.
Any xenophobia attack against a single Nigerain is an attack against all of us.

middlebelter:


OP, I wish I have power to give award on this forum that will recommend you for commendation by Seun.

I can't just imagine why anybody will think South African black will suddenly wake up and by converted from their Xenophobic mindset without the use of reasonable force. To also trust whatever Zuma say on ending the continual attack is to accept Judas' kiss.

Why I may not be in support of violent attack on South Africans in Nigeria, we must encourage the NANS to embark of peaceful protest that will probably disrupt one or two business days for the likes of MTN, DSTV etc in Nigeria and inscription on banners that will denounce Xenophobia and condemn South African government careless handling of the crime for the international community to see and be our witness that we have given enough warning against the attack. It will also teach the uncivilised black South Africans that in the 21st century Africans protesting a civilised way and get result.
ANC, may end up losing power to opposition if Zuma continue to lead SA the way he is doing.
If there is any country that deserves respect in Africa from South Africans, it is Nigeria. If we fail to make a good example of how not to disrespect Nigerians with South Africa, we should just forget about anything called respect in Africa.

juman:


Obasanjo deserve to be jailed for some fifty or longer years..
He led this destroyed country more than anybody else.

See what our nigerians facing in south africa. As if we dont have our own country.
But the truth is that our nigeria is a destroyed country, it is a very difficult place to live.

Rossikki:


Here's a full explanation by the flat earth movement.


The Phases of the Moon

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.

The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.

When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.

When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.

When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.

The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes.



Q: Why does everyone on earth see the same phase of the moon?

A: They don't. The phase you see varies depending on your location on earth. In Flat Earth Theory this is explained by the different observers standing on either side of the moon. On one side it is right-side up, and on the other side it is upside down.

Imagine a green arrow suspended horizontally above your head pointing to the North. Standing 50 feet to the South of the arrow it is pointing downwards, towards the Northern horizon. Standing 50 feet to the North of the arrow, looking back at it, it points upwards, above your head to the North. The arrow flip-flops, pointing down or away from the horizon depending on which side you stand.


http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Phases+of+the+Moon

Rossikki:
Do you folks use common sense at all? Look at that map again. Why would a plane need to extend its journey by thousands of miles just to refuel? Alter its flight path by over 180° in a different direction when it could fly straight and short across the Indian ocean? How is it more lucrative to add thousands of miles extra to a journey? You make no sense.

Henry240:


Neither Nigeria or South-Africa has the military capability to launch an attack on one another. However that been said, I'll like to clear your post.


The Republic of South-Africa as we know it today, is nothing, in no area compared to the South-Africa under Apartheid. The SADF under Apartheid was actually the force to be feared with the government at that time spending 5% of GDP on defence. The current SANDF is a hugpurge of a bunch of freedom fighters, barely trained MK fighters who were integrated into what is now the SANDF. Most of the old white fighters have basically left the SADF to Australia, NZL or to become Private Military Contractors(PMCs). Basically mercenaries for hire.


On the other hand, we've had a militarily active force for the past 23 years. Our army has been engaged in one campaign or the other in across Africa and in Nigeria for these past years.

South-Africa doesn't have any decent Air Defence apart from the Gripens (I'll get to the Gripens in a bit). In terms of number of tanks, we far outnumber them. They basically operate just over a hundred Centurion tanks, they call it the Olifant in RSA.

In artillery pieces, in Tank Killers (AFVs) we also outnumber them. What RSA has more than Nigeria are IFVs and APCs (MRAPs). When we take into account our experience and a large pool of battle tested personnel, our generals are also better battlefield tacticians. We would beat them fare and square.


On the Gripen, RSA has 26 Gripens, with 12 on continuous rotation, leaving 12 available for combat, they also only have 9 qualified Gripen pilots, just 9 for 26 Fighters. That's not an advantage, especially when you consider they signed for the Gripen in 1999. It means, they don't have the intellectual pool to fly the Gripens. In Nigeria, we have no such problems, we got more pilots than planes, and our air force is by no means small by an African standard. We've also recently ordered the JF-17, the JF-17s are in the same class as the Gripen, with very similar capabilities. Most experts say it is about 80% of the f-16 Block 52+, one of the latest F-16 models.


Egypt on this continent is playing in a different league, the Egyptians have over 260 F-16s and have ordered 36 Rafales, they have more Main Battle Tanks than some cities have people. Egypt is light years ahead of everyone in Africa.

Algeria also has a military that is better than either South-Africa or Nigeria.

In actual reality if Nigeria were to go to war with South-Africa which thankfully none of the countries have the ability to wage war against the other, such a conflict would likely end in a stale mate.

Rossikki:
THERE ARE NO DIRECT FLIGHTS FROM CAPE TOWN TO SIDNEY


Why do you think there are no direct flights between Cape town, South Africa and Sidney, Australia?

See the map of a 'Spherical' earth.



As you can see, travel from Cape Town to Sidney, on a spherical earth should be a short, straightforward trip across the Indian Ocean, yes?


But here's the deal:

Flights between Cape town and Australia ALWAYS stop in the Middle East, eg, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, etc first, before 'coming down' again to land in Sidney. And vice-versa.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
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OK.... Here's the answer:

Flights between Cape Town and Australia, ALWAYS pass through the Middle East because that is the SHORTEST POSSIBLE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO LOCATIONS.

WHY?

BECAUSE THE EARTH IS FLAT.

Study the Picture below...

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AfroCircus:

The source could be referring to the larger Capetown metro area whose population is around 4-5m

mayorkyzo:
Pls an economist should enlighten me..
If I open a business in a foreign country am I not allowed to repatriate funds to my home country??

middlebelter:
I want to appeal to all Nigerian to stand with Nigerian Senate on this matter. Yes I may not like Senator Dino Melaye, but he has my strong support on this matter. If this allegation is proven to be true, this action of MTN will amount to economic sabotage.
Repatriating such a huge some of USD in this time when the country is in serious FX crisis will amount to insensitivity of the part of the corporate giant even if they are on the right side of the law.
I hereby move the motion that NAIRALAND THE LEADING NIGERIAN SOCIAL MEDIA MAKES OUR SUPPORT TO NIGERIAN SENATE ON THIS MATTER KNOW TO THE SENATE. Fellow nairalander, I so move.

DONSMITH123:


http://dailypost.ng/2016/09/28/mtn-denies-illegal-transfer-14bn-nigeria/

dgr8est:
#FACTS_ABOUT_NIGERIA_YOU_MAY_NEVER_HAVE_KNOWN
You may already know that Nigeria is the
largest black nation in the world and the
most populous nation in Africa.
You may already know that Nigeria has
great dependency on crude oil, plus all the other opinions of
David Cameron.
Here are 20 unpopular facts about Nigeria.
1. Are you aware that all over the world
Nigerians are setting the pace and becoming the standard by
which others measure themselves? Do you know?
2. In the US, Nigerians are the most educated immigrant
community. Type it into Google and you’ll see it. Not one of
the most educated, the most educated.
3. 60% of Nigerians in the US have college degrees. This is
far above the American national average of 30%.
4. Nigerians in US are one of the highest earners, typically
earning 25% more than
the median US income of $53k.
5. In Ivy League schools in Europe and America, Nigerians
routinely outperform their peers from other nations.
6. A Nigerian family, The Imafidon family, have officially
been named the smartest family in the UK.
7. The designer of the famous car, Chevrolet Volt, Jelani
Aliyu, is a super
talented Nigerian from Sokoto State.
8. The World’s fastest supercomputer was
designed by a world renowned inventor
and scientist, Philip Emeagwali, a full-
blown Nigerian whose patency was awarded in 2015. This
means Nigeria has the patency to the world’s fastest
computer: a Black Nigerian.
9. The wealthiest Black man and woman on earth are
Nigerians, Aliko Dangote and Mrs. Folorunsho Alakija. Both
have no trace of criminal record of any kind.
10. South Africa couldn’t have ended apartheid & achieved
Black rule if not for the leadership role Nigeria played.
11. Of the 3 South African Presidents who
ruled after apartheid, two of them once
lived in Nigeria under asylum. Both Nelson Mandela (60s)
and Thabo Mbeki (70s) lived in Nigeria before becoming
President of South Africa. We gave financial support, human
support, boycotted an Olympics and
our politicians, musicians and activists campaigned
relentlessly.
12. Nigeria spent over $3 Billion and lost
hundreds of soldiers to end the wars in both Liberia and
Sierra Leone which the world ignored because they have no
oil.
13. When there was a coup in São Tomé and Príncipe in
2003, Nigeria restored the
elected President back to power.
14. Before there were street lights in European cities,
ancient Benin kingdom had street lights fueled by palm oil.
15. 500 years ago, Benin casted metal alloys to create
magnificent art including the world famous Queen Ida Mask.
16. Amina was a warrior queen who ruled Zaria Emirate in
Kaduna state, Northwestern Nigeria 400 years ago in 1610.
Google and see what she means to Africa.
17. We gave monetary gifts to Ireland during our oil boom
and built a statue for
France free of charge. We are not poor blacks. Nigeria is rich
and don’t be lied to.
18. The first television station in Africa was NTA Ibadan
(1960) long before Ireland has their RTE station.
=========
Wherever you look in this great country, Nigeria, heroes
abound both now and in our recent and ancient past.
If all you do is listen to mainstream Western media, you’ll
not get the full picture of your Nigerian heritage.
Do not listen to any leader who says Nigerians are criminals,
no matter who he is, or his height and position.
We’re not a nation of scammers, drugs & corruption, but a
people with a verifiable track record of greatness.
==========
Here is what CNN, BBC, Aljezeera and western media will
not tell you about Nigerians:
19. On the 7th May, 2016 at Howard University in
Washington D.C history was
made. Out of 96 graduating Doctor of Pharmacy candidates,
43 of them were Nigerians and out of 27 awards given, 16
went to Nigerians.
The entire world still envies our uniqueness as a NATION
with living together despite our ethnic diversity. One single
country with over 400 languages.
They will only tell you how Nigerians are scammers and
cheats, how Nigerians are into drugs overseas et al.
If you don’t blow your trumpet, no one
will blow it for you.
#VIVA_NAIJA!!
20. There are over 180,000,000 Nigerians
world over and only less than 250,000 of this figure have
traceable criminal records.
This is about 0.14% of our entire national population in the
last 20 years: nothing close to 1%. Shame on global media.
Listen Nigeria, don't let anybody woo you
into believing that you are a criminal just because you are a
Nigerian.
Nigerians are NOT criminals.
You are NOT a criminal.
You are topnotch; second to none around the world.
I am proud am created a Nigerian, thank you God.
Be proud of Nigeria wherever you go.
Take out your Passport with pride.
Be proud of our GREEN HERITAGE.
Be enthusiastic of our FUTURE GREATNESS.
#Please_share_widely_and_let_us_spread_globally_the_truth_
of_who_we_really_are.

Toks2008:


I beg to disagree with you.

Nigeria has over 300 tribes while south Africa has just less than 20.

14:


i thought nigeria was the biggest economy in Africa, what are the nigerians doing in a poor country like South africa?

South africans developed their own country, nigeria should do the same and stop causing problems in foreign countries.

AfroCircus:
I just had to do a research of slums in Africa to justify population given and the numbers are grim

Nairobi - 2.5 million (60%) slum dwellers http://www.kibera.org.uk/facts-info/

Cape Town - 3 million slum dwellers http://capetown2012.jimdo.com/slums/?mobile=1

Lagos- every 2 out of 3 people in slums (10 million people) http://www.irinnews.org/news/2006/09/05/lagos-mega-city-slums

Cairo - 40% of people in slums (4.8 million people) http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politics/2013/11/egypt-slums-ticking-time-bomb.html

If the above numbers are any where near the reality, then Africa hardly has cities, they're more of urban villages

samuelUMOH:
South African indeed always trying to just the killing of a Nigerian with drug accusation .The one killed early this year in Kempton park by your people because he was with much rand ,drugs was use as excuse .You posted in 2012 you want to date a Nigerian gal,no reasonable Nigerian gal wil date you .Always justifying barbaric act