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PoliticsRe: Hardship: I See No Light For Nigeria Under Tinubu – Momodu by MT: 1:58pm On Oct 15, 2024
Says one of the problems of Nigeria
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT: 1:55pm On Oct 15, 2024
IbeOkehie:
I didn't cite just ONE family. I said many families. My town union in the USA had a National Convention around 1999 or so. I personally counted 400 ADULT MALES that cast votes in the election. The vast majority of them didn't come to the USA with any exceptional skills. They're all generally middle class, I'm not even counting the exceptionally rich.

When I landed in the USA, I was among a cohort of around 20 to 30 young people from many different Nigerian tribes and I was the youngest. We mostly all started from around zero. Most of us started remitting money to Nigeria within 2 or 3 months. Some went to university, some continued to work menial or low skill jobs. Some founded businesses. Some got deported, some ended up in prison, but the vast majority, over 70%, are living the regular middle class or upper middle class life. Some of them are millionaire doctors and lawyers today.

All my nuclear family has emigrated to the USA over a period of 15 years, ALL my siblings live middle class or upper middle class lives.

All the above gives me good reliable data to make reasonable conclusions. I'm a real person, this is my name. Anyone can look up and glean the evidence. There's nothing I'm writing that is out of the norm. So what is the quality of life of YOUR cohort still living in Nigeria?

Good Luck to Nigerians.
I will always get surprised why you made a conclusion on the examples you cited here. National statistics does not work that way.

Yes you cited examples that are personal to you, which cannot be verified - that cannot be used as a yardstick in this discourse.

You said you started sending money home after 2 months of landing in the US, virtually everyone that travels abroad do this. That is not a measure that you are okay. Most folks from Nigeria do that in order to send a message that they have "arrived" while slaving away. How many of them can even embark on major projects in Nigeria?.

Do not get me wrong, I am not arguing that people are not doing well abroad but we should stop the generalisation and over exaggeration. To each one his own. Individual's circumstances differ, and so it will be wrong to be egging people's on based on a personal experience alone.

And why comparing US to Nigeria. They are not in the same pedestal. US is a developed country, Nigeria is a developing country. Opportunities are more in the US but not in the way people exaggerate it here. And those opportunities are limited to some set of people.

And more so, you never clarified what you earlier stated that Nigeria is a SOCIALIST country, which explains why Nigeria is a poor country, according to you.
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT: 12:09pm On Oct 15, 2024
Fiscus105:
No senior software developer would have problems in developed nations globally, ICT guru got job, much more faster than medical doctor or nurse.

Well, he/she may not know what is doing in Naija, maybe that's why he results to cleaner overthre

Any senior software developer/engineer telling you is struggling over there, only dodging you from eternal begging of money from him.


Bye.
Re-read what I typed. You have completely upended the discourse.

And let me add, why you guys keep generalising sounds funny to me.

"No senior software developer would have problems in developed nations globally" , you say.

Your position was NOT true. There are lot of software developers without jobs. Some Software Developers have even abandoned the career for another lowly paid job.

Software Development is a serious engineering job. You want to compare someone building "calculator" apps with someone who is building an enterprise app. The skillsets required for the two are vastly different and the westerners will test you to your limit during the interview.

Why are a lot of people falling into "error of generalisation" on nairaland ?
CareerRe: Why Are My Southern Brethren Resigning From The Federal Civil Service Jobs by MT: 12:07pm On Oct 15, 2024
Stevenbright:
OP you claim to know the going on in the federal civil service. Some people have made this assertion about most of those who seems to have left their work to Japa still corruptly remain on the employment list of the fg and continue to receive their salaries in conjunction with their bosses in the office.

What is your personal experience about this claim? (Note that the president recently made this same assertion).
It's very true.

Most of them are still earning salaries for years. They exploit the gap in our processes. If Government wants to weed them out, they cannot rely on their bosses to get to know those who are doing such. Their bosses are compromised.

Just tell them to be doing fingerprinting at the end of each week or each month, then you will realise how a lot of these ghost workers would be weeded out. Now the Govt should calculate how much they have "stolen" in salaries, tie it up to their passport number. As they are landing, get them arrested or ask them to pay the full amount with interest.

Robust apps can be developed for this.

You cannot get away with these with the US government.
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT: 11:56am On Oct 15, 2024
Fiscus105:
Is that what we are saying......you said someone struggling in abroad and wants to come back to work he left before.
So, a Senior Software Developer in Nigeria now working as a cleaner has not missed it?

You will tell me he will someday get the job , right? What percentage of them actually ace their interviews? Where will he gets the time for continuous improvement after being used as a slave as a porter for many hours ?.

Dont be generalistic when you type.

And in case you have forgotten, this is what you typed:

"Any adult Nigeria that migrated to any of these countries, Britain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Canada, USA, Ireland and still wants to come back to Nigeria, because he /she is better of in Nigeria and he is not coming for political office, just know he/she has serious problems, and if you give such perdy 26billion, he/she will still poor.
"

Look at the the use of your word - "Any"
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT: 11:49am On Oct 15, 2024
Fiscus105:
Any adult Nigeria that migrated to any of these countries, Britain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Canada, USA, Ireland and still wants to come back to Nigeria, because he /she is better of in Nigeria and he is not coming for political office, just know he/she has serious problems, and if you give such perdy 26billion, he/she will still poor.
#

So, a doctor who left John Hopskins in the US to Nigeria to set up his clinic has serious problems? [ https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/09/why-i-left-my-job-at-john-hopkins-usa-to-return-to-nigeria-after-25-years-medical-doctor/]

Everyone cannot be you.

If you do not have capacities for something or you have decided to live your entire life in western world, and die there, does not mean others will toe your path.

Get it right
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT:
There is nothing bad in travelling out of your country. People do, even in western world but you won't see westerners sounding condescending and insulting to their home countries. Americans move from US to other countries , no shout.

Even the US passport that many of you consider as golden tickets, thousands of Americans voluntarily renounce it every year - they willingly gave up their citizenship [https://csglobalpartners.com/americans-are-renouncing-their-us-citizenship-here-is-why/]

I have heard people in their adult lifes saying what has Nigeria done for them? Such an ingrate.

It is now Nigerians realise that the FG has been paying subsidy on their education, fuel, electricity, USD, pilgrimmage just to mention a few. Now that the FG starts to remove the subsidies, all hell let loose grin grin grin yet you will say what has Nigeria done for you in the past.

Going to another country does not mean a silver bullet and you will be wrong to generalise. People's case differ. Consider your own personal situation before you embark on it.

If people are making it abroad like it is always mentioned here, they should be flying first class and build mansions in Nigeria. Most of these people shouting here are barely making it abroad but forming super commando online.

As there are different levels in Nigeria, there are different levels abroad. Ask yourself realistically, what level are you operating where you are and stop stupid generalisation.
CareerRe: Why Are My Southern Brethren Resigning From The Federal Civil Service Jobs by MT:
PEACE2023:
Good morning ladies and gentlemen, this article is based on my personal experience.

I work with a High profile federal government parastatal with good remuneration.

We were 100 that was employed in 2013 drawing from South and North.
We have been promoted 3 times and expecting another promotion.

But something is disturbing me as a Southerner from South East.
About 25 persons from my set have resigned and relocated abroad. Only 2 are still in Nigeria.

It is more shocking that this 25 persons are all from the South. Either South West or South East or South South.

My fear is the implications when our set will get to the pick.
No northerner had resigned or thinking of resigning as at today.

The future implications is that they will occupy majority of the apex positions in this parastatal and the south will start shouting marginalization and why all top directors are from the north.

The last meeting I had at the NNPCL Head quarter's Abuja saw 99% of Top Management Staff from the north.

During The introduction of members I was shaking my head. This bring me to ask, could this issue I am experiencing in my own organization be the same in NNPCL?

Currently a Lady I know in NNPCL resigned and moved to Canada. You already know the future implications to the South when her set will get to the top.

Why are Southerners relocating and leaving their beautiful jobs why the northerners are comfortably enjoying the same work.

Is this greed on the south or that our problems are too much?

I taunt my friend from sokoto some days ago why he doesn't want to japa, he laughed and answered me, to do what over there?

Why are the southerners the only people who sees reasons to japa?
Knowing that we can not live past 100 yrs and we can not go anywhere with all this wealth.

Remember the higher a southerner become a director, the higher the chance of Southerners getting employment in this organizations.

If you work with a good federal government agency share your thoughts.

Are you experiencing the same in your organization?
The sad part is majority of those who "resigned" are still earning salaries in Nigeria while they live abroad.

The space they "left" should have been available for other Nigerians to fill but through greediness they keep the role while they share the salaries with their bosses, who gave them protection. Yet these set of individuals will still be blaming the FG for unemployment in Nigeria.

I knew a guy that flew in from Canada to write promotion exam in Nigeria and flew back to Canada second day.

An average Nigerian is born wicked and selfish. They complain about Govt today because they have no access to the National treasury. Give them a chance, they will ruin Nigeria as a country.
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT: 11:32am On Oct 15, 2024
IbeOkehie:
I know 30 to 40 year olds that migrated to the USA and started as cooks, drivers and cashiers...got married, had kids and made it to the middle class in 10 to 20 years.

On a long-term basis, their FAMILIES have better living standards and more wealth than they would LIKELY have gotten in Nigeria.

Also there's the REALITY that some people don't have the intelligence or work ethic to develop high value skills. For such people the USA and other Anglo-Western countries is a much better place than Nigeria.

While there's no guarantee, the data produced by various trusted sources show there's a higher likelihood of falling into poverty in Nigeria. A lot of highly skilled Nigerians returned from abroad to live permanently in Nigeria in the 1970s. Many, likely a majority of them, fell into poverty. Maybe that's why nobody cares about their stories, they don't match the tales of Nigeria as a potential paradise for hard working people 🤔 Even in 2007 to 2014, diaspora Nigerians were still returning to live in Nigeria. I was one of them.

Nigeria is a feudal-socialist economy. Socialism produces poverty. Nigeria has been the OFFICIAL Poverty Capital of the World since 2018. Can't argue with that. Ask the Anti-Jakpa Crew!!!

Good Luck to Nigeria
So because you cited just one family that you knew who started as a driver and made it as a middle class in the US makes it the norm.

While I agree with some of the points you raised, I still insist that these much touted "opportunities" people always talk about abroad are not meant for everyone, but only for highly skilled individuals.

It is a reality which cannot be argued.

And if i may ask, how is Nigeria a Socialist country according to your write up? or has socialism suddenly lost its meaning ?
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT: 11:23am On Oct 15, 2024
Mariangeles:
Even in the US, $16k is not "just".
Do you mind those individuals that have not been to airport making some silly permutation and combination ?.
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT: 11:21am On Oct 15, 2024
DaddyGngeess:
Na waoo, anyway everyone can't be a business person, you have 26m and you wanna japa to abroad, there is something most people don't understand abroad this japa stuff, becoming wealthy in abroad is difficult also but basic amenities and quality of life is assured, but in Nigeria you can become very very rich if you know how plan well with that kind of amount
Basic amenities are ONLY assured if you pay for them.

There are people sleeping in darkness abroad because they do not have money to pay for their electricity bill.
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT:
Mosdiii:
That money is chicken change if you intend traveling abroad to start all over. That's just about $16,000. Not much at all
You guys are comedians.

I asked again - what is the percentage of people that have even 5000 USD in their account abroad as savings?

People that live paycheck to paycheck and their accounts are constantly in red.

I am not against anyone who wanna travel but stop making it sound like 16,000 USD is so easy to come by abroad.

If some people abroad could be offered the same job they were doing before they left Nigeria, they would snatch your hands off to accept it back. Reason why most people cant come back to Nigeria is because they have nothing again to fall back on in Nigeria.
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT: 11:12am On Oct 15, 2024
Arabk25:
They're better opportunities out there Nigeria is finished
Those opportunities can only be taken by people with the right skillsets. Not meant for everyone.

If you have such a skillset, either you are abroad or in Nigeria, you wont have much complaint.

Do not make it sound like the opportunities abroad are meant for everyone - Hell No!
TravelRe: If Given 26 Million Naira; Stay Or Japa by MT: 11:09am On Oct 15, 2024
Karleb:
Money that may not be upto $10k by next year. undecided
How many people have 10k USD in their account abroad as savings?
PoliticsRe: Again, National Grid Collapses by MT: 9:29am On Oct 15, 2024
Embrace solar installation if you can.

It makes my life smooth since I did.
Foreign AffairsCritical Research Led To The Award Of This Year Nobel Laureates In Economics by MT(op): 2:05pm On Oct 14, 2024
Three individuals shared this year Nobel Laureates in Economic. The trio researched into the reasons why some nations are rich while other nations are poor.

Their researched established that “societies with a poor rule of law and institutions that exploit the population do not generate growth or change for the better.” ,

“When Europeans colonized large parts of the globe, the institutions in those societies changed,” the committee said, citing the economists’ work. While in many places this was aimed at exploiting the indigenous population, in other places it laid the foundations for inclusive political and economic systems.

“The laureates have shown that one explanation for differences in countries’ prosperity is the societal institutions that were introduced during colonization,” the committee added.

Countries that developed “inclusive institutions” – which uphold the rule of law and property rights – have over time become prosperous, while those that developed “extractive institutions” – which, in the laureates’ words, “squeeze” resources from the wider population to benefit the elites – have experienced persistently low economic growth.

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/14/business/nobel-prize-economics-acemoglu-johnson-robinson/index.html

NB: I hope that Nigeria will learn from this critical research
PoliticsRe: Address Me As His Imperial Majesty — Oluwo by MT: 10:07am On Oct 14, 2024
This one don sniff his white substance again.
CrimeRe: Man Drowns In Lagos After Taking Hard Drugs by MT: 9:45am On Oct 14, 2024
I don’t understand what people gain by taking hard drug.

Are they not afraid of damage to their liver?
PoliticsRe: Sunday Igboho Leads Yoruba Independence Rally In Central London-pics by MT: 8:57am On Oct 14, 2024
attackgat:
Yoruba Nation Leader, Sunday Igboho, took to the streets of Central London to campaign for the independence of Yoruba people from Nigeria

Pics and video below

https://www.facebook.com/EmekaGiftOfficial/videos/1611609126084905/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
In Nigeria he would be wearing charm and carrying guns.

He should have repeated the same in the UK.

Someone who terrorises his people now fighting for their independence. Ckown
PoliticsRe: Sunday Igboho Submits Petition To British Government For Yoruba Independence-pic by MT: 11:55am On Oct 13, 2024
damoobaba:
He's not violent
Then you dont know Igboho.

Go and ask the South Westerners about his antecedents.

He is a very violent man.
PoliticsRe: Sunday Igboho Submits Petition To British Government For Yoruba Independence-pic by MT: 11:54am On Oct 13, 2024
Dalohad:
If the country is divided, leaders cannot use Tribalism to be deceiving people and divert attention away from their thievery..
Be kidding.

That's when you will see Anambra lording it over the rest, or either Oyo or Ogun proving superiority over the rest.
PoliticsRe: Sunday Igboho Submits Petition To British Government For Yoruba Independence-pic by MT: 11:51am On Oct 13, 2024
attackgat:
Yoruba Nation Leader, Sunday Igboho, arrived the seat of British Government today, at No 10 Downing Street, to submit a petition calling on the British government to support the independence of the Yoruba ethnic group from Nigeria
Igboho was a jester.

On whose authority was he handing over the document?

No wonder he was stopped at the door for one chef to collect the document from him.

Igboho will taste Nigeria prison if he continues in this useless direction.
CareerRe: Top 7 Degrees That Produce The Most Millionaires by MT: 5:52pm On Oct 12, 2024
CelebritiesRe: Bolanle Ninalowo Surprises Son With New Corvette For 18th Birthday by MT: 10:02pm On Oct 10, 2024
RealDaughter:
Good but nobody don talk my mind, what does his father do? Only acting?

Anyway i believe the car na just to pepe his Xwife,The car means it would have been you grin
Acting and probably gigolo
CelebritiesRe: Bolanle Ninalowo Surprises Son With New Corvette For 18th Birthday by MT: 10:01pm On Oct 10, 2024
wizod:
Misplaced Priority. This is not the right Way to groom a child or son who is still eating mama thank you
All is for showbiz.

Car will be returned to the dealer.
PoliticsRe: Reps Pass Bill To Allow FRSC Officials Carry Guns by MT: 7:15pm On Oct 10, 2024
FRSC is an irresponsible agency already.

They ignore court injunctions which barred them from state roads. Always hunting for motorist on state roads, looking for faded plate numbers, which they sold to the motorists.
PoliticsRe: We Are Not Responsible – FG Speaks On Increase In Fuel Price by MT: 10:52am On Oct 10, 2024
MT:
People are hungry all over the world but they have a functional welfare system which is run by strict tax laws. So, the government supports those needs in minimal ways.

In Nigeria, if they want to widen the tax net , you will complain. Do you know US govt collects tax on tip? Let me make it clear , if you go to a restaurant, after eating, you tip the guy who serves you like 10 dollars. Do you know that guy will pay tax on that 10 uSd. Imagine the hell that will descend if Nigeria govt does that.

You can’t have a robust benefit system without strict tax laws.
PoliticsRe: We Are Not Responsible – FG Speaks On Increase In Fuel Price by MT: 10:49am On Oct 10, 2024
almarthins:
Why must we buy crude oil at international price when we re oil producing?
Laugh out loud.

Well, your country, Nigeria. Is a member of OPEC. So she has to sell at the agreed price. Same with Saudis Arabia etc
PoliticsRe: We Are Not Responsible – FG Speaks On Increase In Fuel Price by MT:
BigDawsNet:
I never supported Apc but I never expected them to make Nigeria economic so bad like dis…
People are really hungry

Even the APc guys I know are not even shy to request money from me this days
People are hungry all over the world but they have a functional welfare system which is run by strict tax laws. So, the government supports those in need in minimal ways.

In Nigeria, if they want to widen the tax net , you will complain. Do you know US govt collects tax on tip? Let me make it clear , if you go to a restaurant, after eating, you tip the guy who serves you like 10 dollars. Do you know that guy will pay tax on that 10 USD. Imagine the hell that will descend if Nigeria govt does that.

You can’t have a robust benefit system without strict tax laws.
PoliticsRe: We Are Not Responsible – FG Speaks On Increase In Fuel Price by MT: 10:34am On Oct 10, 2024
Parable007:
Every Nigerian is just even too weak to fight anymore..just last year we were buying fuel for 197. Now 1350 does this even make sense? I'm a Yoruba but to be very honest, shame on all Yorubas especially the ones who fought for Tinubu to be president. I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT TINUBU WILL MAKE A MESS BUT I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WILL BE THIS FAST AND THIS HARD. LIKE WHY? WHAT WILL HE ACHIEVE WITH ALL THESE? IS HE NOT THE PRESIDENT AND YET THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM?
Ever since he came in it's been one problem to the other.
If truly you are a Yoruba, shame on you. Yorubas are mostly educated and reasonable.

In the so-called western world you guys are always quick to reference, market forces determine the price at the pump station. Nigeria runs a capitalistic economy, and she’s rightly allowing market forces determining the cost.

Do you even know how much it cost to produce a litre of petrol? The era of 170 naira per litre is forever gone. Right now, there is an increase to every litre of petrol all over the world. Or can you sell your own product below the cost price?

So, what the heck are you talking about here?
PoliticsRe: Lagos Won’t Obey Court Order Stopping Arrest, Fines By VIO — Commissioner by MT: 9:31pm On Oct 08, 2024
badoh:
What about Sharia law in some northern states?
Section 260 and 275 of the 1999 Nigeria constitution makes sharia law legal and constitutional. It is enshrined in the constitution.

It’s not a state law as you would have assumed.
PoliticsRe: Lagos Won’t Obey Court Order Stopping Arrest, Fines By VIO — Commissioner by MT:
The Abuja high court made the determination using Nigeria constitution. If any state law clashes with the constitution, (I.e. runs contrary to the Nigeria constitution ) such state law is rendered null and void.

In this case, Lagos was trying to be half clever by testing the law. This was an affront to the Nigerian constitution which is supreme over all states law.

Lagos state should be dragged before the Supreme Court,

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