₦airaland Forum

elyte89:
I don’t follow d npfl league but what I knw is dis crop of players who represented us na stark Olodo …Dey don’t have d football knowledge to decipher what d coach is trying to make dem do..watching d 1st fifteen minutes shows dt dis team is coached but to carry am out na d problem

I am not a coach. Even my technical knowledge is limited unlike my brother TheGoodJoe but I think I see what the problem is with our league or the kind of football education our players have.

The thing is that contemporary football is about what you can do with the ball AND how you interpret and use space.

It appears our local players have very little knowledge about how to use and interpret space. We are still stuck with dribbling, passing and routine football skills.

In contemporary football, it is not skills that wins. It is tactics.

Joebie:
I just hope we dont get more heartbreaks --WCQ

The CHAN is not an heartbreak cos I don't care anyway about it.

World cup will be painful if we miss it. My hopes dimmed after we drew Zimbabwe which I consider a loss.

Joebie:
That's why dem no come smile. We for train for Borno close to Bomo Haram.

It's terrible. From the high of Wafcon and D'tigress triumph, these bozos have plunged us to the depth of an unprecedented defeat and shame.

Goke7:
Thanks to the players for saving our 100k 😂 at least dem do that one

😂😂 Let them leave it for worthy teams

Who send Chelle to accept to coach these otu players? Even my client will not accept to coach such wasted men called home based players

Are things really this bad? How Sudan as in war torn raggedy Sudan beat us 4-0?

😂😂😂😂 😂😂

Home base una. No be only Chan, na China 😂😂😂

I'd rather watch Super Falcons than stain my eyes with the rubbish of this Chan Eagles. Anything home based count me out. Street corner monkey post is more interesting than the nonsense I know they'd play.

jihday:
that should be the confederation cup, I’m not sure but I think the last one was played in 2017. This is from 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niAIUBrhk2o?si=6Zt6aKmZSYQ4kp2w

Confederation cup is different from what I'm suggesting.
I'm suggesting that fifa organizes a competition say inter continental championship Cup where we'd have five teams from each continent.

The catch is that each squad like say the different squads from Africa will have different players from different countries from within the continent.
For example team A from Africa will have
Salah
Iwobi
Sane
Williams
And other players from Africa in the team. Same thing for all the other continents.

Confederation cup is for only the champions from each continent

jihday:
used to happen, FIFA scrapped it for the now expanded club World Cup

Wowww. When was that? Any links to such matches on YouTube? Make I go watch am

Home based players no be am. The earlier we recognize this the better. Even as far back as 94 Westerhof's team was made up 100% or almost of foreign players. Granted that these players started from our local league but our local league had quality and also international football was not like today's game.

Today the league has tanked in quality and the gap between players groomed at home and international football is like an abyss.

The point I'm making is that we should drop all these confusing calls for inclusion of local players in the Super Eagles.

Let us focus on improving the league, improving football education, training, coaching and management.

I have an idea:
FIFA can organize an intercontinental champions cup.

Say five teams each from all the continental federations constituted of the best players from the different countries in each federation.

E go too sweet.

Goke7:
De law e don do, anybody wey work go collect im pay 💰 all these court arguments e no matter. Oya let the court rise! case dismissed

Na true jare. Oshe

lovewins:
Your argument is now premised on the initial point I made which makes the entire back and forth unnecessary. I said "Discrimination is a difficult concept to explain to Nigerians because our nation by design encourages discrimination"

I already conceded that we by design encourage discrimination and so may find it difficult a concept to appreciate which is exactly what's happening here. It's why the president can lopsided political appointments that favours his ethnic leaning and the next person is just waiting for an opportunity to get into power to do his own. So I don't disagree when you say "such a case cannot fly in court here" cause of course it won't but not for lack of merit.

Let me just say this conclusively, Presidents aren't kings who can do as they like. The authority of their office is back by a document called the constitution which sets the guardrails for the extent of their authority. So comparing presidential pardons which has constitutional backing to rewards that do not is faulty thinking in my opinion. If the President by his prerogative pardons someone, he's doing so because by the constitution he is allowed that latitude. So he isn't acting outside of ambit if his authority. So a President can for instance grant presidential pardon to only those of his ethnic background and he is protected by law to do so. It is why every president by law also selects a minister from every state because the constitution mandates it. So a president can detest a region of the country but must by law select ministers from said region. The framers intended for this provision to give some semblance of equality and protect against discrimination.

Giving financial rewards to athletes however isn't. There's no provision for subjective spending by the executive in our laws, It's why we have a budget. You also have to research when gifting athletes money started. It was during the military era when the head of state was a law to himself. So this culture was borrowed from a system of government that allowed for that latitude. Right now, doing so without guardrails is discriminatory. The fact that one may be able to get judgment on this in a Nigerian courts doesn't make it any less discriminatory.

Yes prerogative of mercy is a constitutional right which giving of largesse is not. Point is that he's flouted no law in exercising his power as a president in this direction. It is not a matter of law but entirely up to his discretion. Certain positions command certain perquisites. This is known all over the world. This is unlike appointments and that too is limited to ministerial appointments.

Your point is that if he doesn't do the same thing for the D'Tigress, it is discrimination. I disagree. He's not acting from a place of legal obligation. He's entirely free to exercise his choice of gifting the players and honoring them.

If not has he discriminated against you by not awarding you OON or any of the other national honors when perhaps you have achieved more than many people who have been awarded?

lovewins:
Ok. Let me clarify.

He is not obligated by law to reward athletes. He's however mandated by law not to discriminate. That's the bone of contention here. You can do a Google search on discrimination laws as there are many of them. Title IX is an example of anti discrimination legislation. I'll give a more recent example.

The US women's soccer team took the football association to court demanding equal treatment with the guys. This doesn't fall under the same umbrella in my opinion as pay for athletes by associations are generally determined by revenue generated. For example, the winner of the 2024 AFCON took home 7 million dollars while the winner of WAFCON took home $1M dollars. Both teams business why won't be taking home the same pay and the reasons are obvious. Same applies to football in the US and I sincerely felt the association would have won. The ladies however leveraged on media and public pressure to get a settlement recently. Forthwith they'll be treated same as the guys as they agreed to pool revenue together and negotiated under the same collective bargaining agreement even though they differ in revenue generation.

Now this is a case the association can easily win in court because by definition they aren't discriminating, but had to settle because of the appearance of discrimination, how much more the government (in BAT's case) who is actively discriminating. So in Court BAT will have to justify the disparity in reward. All of the reasons given by everybody so far falls under discrimination.

Tennis is another example, men and women used to be paid different rewards before a fight for equality evened it out. The argument for difference in revenue couldn't be made because same audience watched both the men and the women's game. You can research the advocacy of Billy Jean King on this matter. I can cite several other examples but this is already too long.

In the context of rewarding sportmen, I don't know how you reached the conclusion as per the bolded unless you are speaking generally.

Such a case cannot fly in court here. There is simply no legal grounds for it. It is not justiciable.

And I think you are comparing apples and oranges as regards Nigeria and the US. The issue in America is remuneration. That is not what we are talking about here. It's a largesse from the President. More like a matter of prerogative or discretion.

It's like the prerogative of mercy that the president exercises over criminals. He can decide to release A and not B.

lovewins:
Baba, if you're interested in having a conversation then I'll be here to engage. Your retort doesn't even make logical sense na. Difference in renumeration is determined by objective factors like experience, qualifications and other requirements specific to said roles. That's totally different from the conversation being had. Discrimination in the work place will be if two persons working the same role are compensated differently for subjective factors such as gender, sexual preferences, religious persuasion, race etc.


To your point, if Trump gives 10k to one sports, by law he has set a precedence that he must follow for other sports. Should he decide to lower or increase said gift, he must by law justify why that is. The difference in valuation or perception by the populace won't fly in court which was my initial argument.

"If the President of the US does this for example for one sports, he is by law expected to do same for every other sports cause not doing so would be discrimination."

I don't understand how my drawing practical implication of discrimination as per difference in remuneration is illogical when it is the kernel of the issue at stake in our discussion in relation to the falcons and D'tigress.


It's that law I'm interested in. What's the name of the law? And please note that you set the premise oo. You are the one who mentioned that by law, the American president is mandated to do the same thing for all sports if be does for one sport oo. So kindly mention that law. Name of the law, and the relevant section and possible judicial interpretation will be of great help. I'm genuinely interested

Odunayaw:
As the men's team is D'tiger na. Tiger no de Africa sef. But I like the name, it is fierce.

For me I sha don't want that nonsense that hindered their participation at the world cup to repeat itself.

It's time for our teams to move beyond Africa. These ladies and Falcons have conquered Africa.

Our men are not trying oo. Super Eagles has just three Afcon. Too poor

Odunayaw:
You're only buttressing the point of selectively honoring.

I could ask the same about women's football in Nigeria. This win is popular because of the drama of the final. Don't talk like women's football is in national consciousness.

Finally, your examples don't follow too. The point is not salaries. It is honor

Honor depends on value whatever the stand against discrimination is. And we all know it. Men are in sizes abi no be so them talk am?

lovewins:
Discrimination is a difficult concept to explain to Nigerians because our nation by design encourages discrimination. In a country like the US where citizens are expected to be treated equally you can't do this.

It's why funding for sports even for national teams don't come from government. Federations are expected to sort out their own funding from partners and sponsors so your rewards as an athlete is determined by how much funding your sports association gets. If the President of the US does this for example for one sports, he is by law expected to do same for every other sports cause not doing so would be discrimination.

I'm interested in this law oo. So if Trump gives 10k to one sport, he must give 10k to all the sports? Do all government workers in the US earn the same amount of money across all occupations?

Odunayaw:
I'm all for honor and glorifying those who fly our flag high. It's the least we can do for ourselves as a people. No one will do it for us.

The metric for such honor is subjective as you have rightly pointed out. Yet, we must forewarn ourselves because achievements can be repeated. There is risk of the expectation to either match or surpass that honor, which if not met will only brew envy.

If the world knows Herod offers half the kingdom for a brilliant twist of the waist, very soon he will have no Kingdom.

Well, them don win oo. Let's see how it goes with the D'tigress

Who even named them D'tigress sef. We get tiger for naija?

Goke7:
M.O.N. without the EY ain’t complete o no let anyone gaslight you 😂

It's their time. Na so e dey be. Everything na their own. Honor and money

Odunayaw:
We're not talking of prize money but honor.

This is why some of us objected to the gifts, not because it's bad to do but because it is prone to obligations when such feats are matched or surpassed. And when not given, the spiral to screams of maginalization.

Again, D'Tigress conquering Africa 5 times in a row, beating Senegal coached by Otis Hughley who gave us 3 titles? And anyone says they are not deserving of the same accolades with the Falcons? The rationale must be better than what you guys are saying

The value we place on basketball is not the same as football. Even in football, the value varies. Basketball is a niche sport in Nigeria. It does not command the mass appeal of football.

And this Falcons own was based on the iconic significance of the win.

Whatever the case, it is entirely within the prerogative of the President to gift them money and national honors.

Maybe we will learn a thing or two about what such motivation means to our sport men and women who often get nothing better than presidential handshake.

Goke7:
😂 you wan make Coachee and Oga Emeka lose guard, de law be careful o

I must sign them on oo.

Female football dey sweet ooo. Brazil and Colombia played CONMEBOL final yesterday. It was full of drama. 4-4 apiece at the end of regulation time. Match went to PKs and Brazil clinched it. Charlesemeka85 you dey miss oo.

Elyte89 I'm thinking since men's football is giving you a hard time, why don't you look into female football coaching. Nasarawa has a team I can link you up with oo. Anyway as your Solicitor, I will just go ahead and submit your CV.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dqCsZC3Csc?si=QI_Xve33Nqhi_TFT

ChrisKels:
I have never doubted our chances.

All we need do is get the right combinations in the midfield, and we are winning the remaining games.

How do we qualify if SA goes on to draw with us and win all their matches or even if we win them?

Odunayaw:
My head never recover from the swelling wey Falcons give me.

That's how finals should be. It should be dramatic. Memorable. Tense. Even if your team lose, the drama go give you small joy. Fans from the two side go enjoy the game. No be say them go just dey wipe you goals woto woto like Chelsea do PSG and PSG do Inter. Such finals are usually a one sided trip

Truidstarr:
coaches!! No be Wetin me I hear oooo.

Thank you for saying this.

elyte89:
Guy madugu no sabi shi shi ,if u watch most of the girls interviews including Ashley when asked what actually happened in the dressing room;all of dem had one reply;motivation ..dt it is all or nothing,in fact Ashley stylishly said the coach didn’t say anything in d dressing room..d girls pushed daelves beyond deir limit

Coachee, this is not true. She clearly said that in the second half they had one holding midfielder instead of two so that they can win the ball high up the pitch. That was down to the coach. In other interviews she explicitly said that the coach told them to play high up the pitch and press the Moroccans, make it hard for them to play and that they should play close to each other.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LER9iwl8xU?si=4R1BdoQg0vS6cH8H

Let's give the coach his flowers. Indigenous coaches like you are the future of our football.

QueenJazz:
Exactly. The squad is still young. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this 2025 WAFCON tournament was the first major outing for these Super Falcons set collectively (Babajide, Okoronkwo, Ijamilusi, Echegini etc)

They will play more games together and hopefully develop more chemistry instead of just relying on individual brilliance. Plus, we now have a potential beast in Chioma Okafor. Not only might we win the next WAFCON, I can also see us going far in the upcoming Women's World Cup and possibly sneaking into the semis at least.

I was probably one of Justin Madugu's biggest critics before the last tournament, but I will admit the man has impressed me. I noticed he seems to make the right calls, even though he wastes time in doing so. I won't mind him graduating from interim to become the main coach, provided he has a clear plan or agenda for the Falcons in the next 3-4 years at least. If I were NFF president, I'd make certain that he does have a plan, but then again you can't really vouch for NFF when it comes to foresight and quality assurance.

How good is that Chioma Okafor? She's an attacker right?

GeneralDae:
I share thesame sentiment but the only problem I have with this is that when you give these people a chance they can easily disregard the super falcons as old soilders whose time is gone. This is what some South African analysts felt the super falcons were at the beginning of this tournament until the 5-0 thumping of Zambia and then everyone got scared of the falcons again.

I have never watched a match of the super falcons against an African team where any analyst see them as an underdog in the tie, but I was shocked to see that some international analysts saw the superfalcons as the underdog in that game against Zambia just because of our poor performance in 2022 and the hype of Zambia. Zambians also boasted a lot seeing they beat the super falcons 1-0 in 2022.

So you give these guys an inch, they disrespect you and treat you like you are Equatorial Guinea forgetting super falcons are like the UEFA Real Madrid of African female football.

South Africa, Morocco, and Zambia must learn (like Equatorial Guinea did) that getting to the top is hard but staying there and maintaining your standard is much harder.

That's what makes this victory so sweet. We exacted maximum revenge on the three teams that defeated in the 2022 edition. Before the tournament Ashley had an interview where she mentioned that she was praying that they should meet Morocco again because Morocco knocked them out in that semi. That made me curious to go watch highlights of the match. It was a really tough fight we put up after losing two of our best players.

Victory is sweet when no one gives you a chance. Zambia got a good hiding from us. They will be quiet now.

Joebie:
We were clearly a better team to come back that way.. And that penalty dem dey drag based on FIFA rules is not a penalty:

1. not intentional
2. natural position based on the body in the air
3. player was retrieving her hand during the contact

Agreed but it doesn't detract from the fact that they played good football. They were always playing on the ground. Stringing passes.

Everybody who once kicked a ball is now a legend.