₦airaland Forum

freshest4live:
Who told you Nairobiwalker is a cool name? Where are you walking to?

I don't need your approval buddy.

forgiveness:
Traditional houses here in some parts of Nigeria are hereditary, before the colonial masters came.

Some were built during the era of their own Kingdom.

Because those were built by colonial masters or there history is somehow connected to them, like my great grandfather's that serves as a museum in Lagos.

They are built on an Highland or beside beautiful beaches.

Lamu's houses were built long before colonialism. They are even more traditional than the Ibadan ones. Some are as old as the Swahili language.

forgiveness:
To you it is dumb but to me as a Christian, it's indeed the greatest word in the world. Sorry, Journeywakawaka, sorry NairobiWalker.

See how NairobiWalker is a cool name? In Sheng we say iko chonjo.

shervydman:
hey, man..............take it easy, as u can see no one is abusive here.

Don't be too sensitive. It's a friendly banter to cut short a recurring debate that's bearing no fruit.

popizaino:
Abuja would be well suited for such title than accra.

Why are you guys so jealous? lol.

Abuja is too artificial. No soul. Abuja is the African Brasilia.

vaxx:
the issue is that. abidjan buiding has lot of french architecture and design. Making it look like extention of france. Lagos too also has her own beauty but it is so center around the wealthy residence. You can imagine a local goverment like ikorodu ,epe are terrible. I belive in general
development. i willl love to visit kenya some day . my liberian girlfriend tell me a lot about nairobi. her mum works there，accra is not perfect anyway.much need to be done.

You're very much welcome to Nairobi buddy. It's good to have a taste of this side. I would love to Visit Accra, Tema and Akosombo Dam in Ghana.

forgiveness:
The point is, those places in Ibadan are traditional houses. It offers no revenue unlike Lamu and Mombasa.

.....define traditional houses? And how do residential homes in Mombasa and Lamu 'offer' revenue?

forgiveness:
When it operated as the capital of a region that had one of most civilized people in Sub Sahara Africa, when it functioned as the capital of a fully autonomous region without any outsiders to determine its development and economy, we witnessed many first things established and innovated in the city.

The first skyscraper in Sub Sahara Africa, the first radio station in Sub Sahara Africa, the first glass highrise in Sub Sahara Africa, the first T.V station in Sub Sahara Africa, the first modern stadium in Sub Sahara Africa etc were springing up left, right and center.

Oo! How I wish the first coup never happened. We would have witnessed the most civilized and developed Region in the world.

Then, Mombasa or Nairobi...

Why is your name forgiveness anyway? What a dumb name. You you couldn't choose a cool name such as NaijaSwag, or LagosWalker or IbadanIdiot or MakokoMongrel or AbeokutaMarketMadMan?

freshest4live:
ok ooo. I'm happy for my Ghanian brothers actually, even though we Nigerians quarrel with them most just for fun, but we just they find their trouble, we are closer to them actually and understand them better in all of Africa, so all these ones na just play between siblings, but Nairobiwalker make we talk true, Accra nor be any African Washington DC.

You need to understand the context in which I called Accra the Washington/Paris of Africa. You're really trying hard to dispute this anyway - jealousy much?

TayserMahiri:
You only need to save your photos here ONCE man. Will you repeat this building untill we regurgitate?

He seems retarded that guy. It's hard to deal with people like that you know.

freshest4live:
You mean Accra to you is like Washington DC??

Don't be jealous man. We are all Africans - one love. Accra is Africa's Washington DC.

TayserMahiri:
Its easy for you when all things are slums over there.

Man, that's ice cold. No chills dude. hahaha

freshest4live:
We maintain our slums better than you do.

Your slums are awful. It's only that your cities are not planned. You'll find a shack beside a mansion.

vaxx:
i think that problem is genneral in west africa. We do not like building skyscraper. We youth needs to chane the initiative.

Lagos and Abidjan have skyscrapers though.

I have a soft spot for cities with no skyscrapers but awesome architecture that's why I love Accra. In Kenya we have Nakuru that is a well planned beautiful city with no skyscraper though that's mainly because it's located in the middle of the Great Rift Valley on faultlines hence can't support very tall buildings. I hope they start building ultra modern buildings in Nakuru though. So far the buildings are just ordinary though neat.

shervydman:
its very ugly seriously, but, u know beauty is in the eye of the beholder

True.....very true.

But again, there are some cases where all the beholders think same.

For instance, can you say Obasanjo is more good looking than Beyonce? I mean - beauty lays in the beholders eyes but in this case, all beholders eyes see the same thing. Nobody in the world will deny Beyonce is better looking than Obasanjo. See?

vaxx:
The pictures still continue. Pls take note. This picture do not celibrate or honour white men achievment like big senate headquater or presidential villa. And at the same time. He does not celibrate cosmetic project like malls.which is available even in somalia. It celibrate true african heritage and beauty.

Accra has no skyscrapers but it's a nice city. Their recent architecture is very cool. Short modern well designed houses. Africa's Paris or Washington DC

9jakool:
I've clearly disproofed your faulty claims. Like I said before I'm DONE with this argument.

You've 'disproofed' that a building is ugly by mentioning it was once the tallest building on the continent? Hahaha

TayserMahiri:
They have a maintenance problem in Nigeria. I don't know what they are usually maintaining instead of their home cities

Sure they do. Some large scale infrastructure but the maintenance leaves a lot to ponder.

Wait...... my Nigerian brothers, do you have a word for 'maintenance' in Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Fulani, Ijaw, Ibibio and other Nigerian languages? Maybe maintenance is a non existent thing in your culture.

9jakool:
Lol, you had to resort to ad hominem attack to make your point. Also "ugly" is only a subjective term. What someone else finds ugly, others don't. For your information, I got my info from https://www.emporis.com/buildings/1267404/moi-university-pension-scheme-complex-tower-eldoret-kenya.

Good thing you said similar height and not the same. However you want to phrase it, the Ibadan's cocoa house is still taller and reigns SUPREME and the amount of history in that building alone cannot be replicated in a thing like MUPS plaza. I'm done with this argument.

The building is still super UGLY. Even if it were the tallest building in the world, it's ugly.

forgiveness:
Most of those old houses in Ibadan has become family compounds. It is to brag 'I am the son of the great warriors that was never defeated'.

Most of them don't live in those houses, they live in big porch houses in Ibadan but they make sure they retain their heritage.

Even though I lived in that city for almost 7 years, I never noticed those places until after 4 years. It was an amazing sight to behold from the hill.

Lamu houses are very visible in that picture but I can honestly tell you that some of those houses are well designed than lamu's homes, though lamu's houses are well maintained to make money.

To make money? People maintain houses for their own good. Am I getting the impression that you old do maintenance in Nigeria if it leads to making money? No wonder you have very huge yet dilapidated and dirty infrastructure.

forgiveness:
Because it lost its position as the capital of the most civilized people in Sub Sahara Africa due to the first military coup.

If losing capital position can change a city into that then you can't claim your country is civilized. Mombasa lost its position as the capital of Kenya Protectorate but Mombasa old town is well maintained and looks good.

9jakool:
Lol, a tower built before you were even born or a before Kenya even dreamt of building a skyscraper is "ugly." Personally I think the Cocoa House is a testament to the fact that Africans were capable of greatness. It bares the scars from its past. There was a time when it caught on fire, but it still survived to tell its stories today. When cocoa tower was surpassed by the Schlesinger Building in SA, it sounds great until you realize it was built in the Apartheid era and Schlesinger is a German/Jewish last name.

A tower that sprung beneath the local African-made cocoa industry decades ago and built by the collective will and hardwork of the people cannot be compared to such thing as the MUPS tower. When the story of Africa's sky scrapper and history is being told, the Cocoa house will always be mentioned and forefront. It has a more intriguing story than MUPS plaza which doesn't ring a bell.

One last thing, stop lying. MUPS and the cocoa house have the same floor count, however they are not comparable in heights. Cocoa house is around 344.49 feet tall, a thing like MUPS plaza is only around 294.25 feet tall.

Did you forget your brain buddy? How is its age related to its beauty? An ugly building is ugly - it doesn't matter when it was built. All those glorious stories you're coming up with don't change a thing. If you placed that tower and MUPS side by side anyone can tell you that MUPS is more beautiful. To hell with your stories. That thing is damn ugly.

And yes, they're comparable in height. MUPS is 96m (314 feet) not 294 feet. Those are buildings of similar height.

9jakool:
1. Sorry to say but a "bad building" is not a "bad building." Not all bad buildings are created equally. Some bad buildings need upgrades like a new roof like those found in Ibadan, Detroit, and villages in Italy. Other bad buildings like the one in Nairobi's slums and Makoko lack structurtal integrity and were not built on a structural foundation plan, they are just mere shacks of metal and scraps.


2. Do so...those areas are part of Lagos metropolitan so I don't care. Also, most of the slums are from Nairobi city itself, only a few are . The only areas that are considered slums in your list are Ilaje and Ajegunle, the rest are mixed communities of low-income and middle-income. They actually have houses, while many are low-income houses, they are not makeshift shelters of scraps.

I can see how you're jumping around making excuses when I did just as you did. See? I simply googled 'slums in Lagos' and posted the results just as you did with Nairobi. In Swahili we say 'Mkuki kwa nguruwe tamu kwa binadamu chungu' meaning that is sweet on a pig is very painful on human. Simply means people will enjoy doing bad stuff to others but complain bitterly when the same is done unto them.

Nowenuse:
Yes! Much of Lagos state is divided into towns. All these places developed simultaneously and merged together with to form the mighty Lagos urban area.

And stop giving flimsy excuses about different nairobi districts having populations of different income classes. This is also the same case with lagos state urban areas.
Some Lagos towns have people of different income classes living together.

I decline comparison because it is insane to compare Lagos suburban towns of millions of people, to Kenyan estates with a few thousand people. It's just like comparing Nairobi to west Africa.

If you have some senses, you would know that only Nairobi's districts can compare Lagos suburban towns and local govt areas.

Were we arguing about size or the quality of lives? Please be straightforward and stop shifting goals.

Nowenuse:
You guys are boasting about Lamu and Mombasa old towns that were built by Arabs, Indians and Persians?

Why not show us the ones built by Kikuyus, Luos, Kalenjins, Luhyas or better still masais? Nonsense.

1. Lamu and Mombasa were built by Swahilis.
2. Cities that were built by Kikuyus, Kuos, Kalenjins and Maasais are in good condition and well maintained too.

forgiveness:
The pattern are not different from the ones in Ibadan and Abeokuta though the ones in Abeokuta are more stylish.

The only difference is this are well maintained for tourism purpose.

Lol.....now every time you see a good thing about Kenya you'll be saying for tourism purposes. You mean in Nigeria people can't maintain their houses in good condition if not for tourists? Lol.

Anyway, stop comparing those nice Lamu houses to those crappy slums in Ibadan.

9jakool:
Lol "that tower is Ugly." Is that the worse you can do?
Yet Eldoret skyline can boost of a tower as tall as Ibadan.

Yes, that tower is ugly and you know it.

The tallest tower in Eldoret is actually same height with Cocoa House yet more modern and good looking.

MUPS tower Eldoret.

forgiveness:
To be honest, Bodija (both old and new), Ikolaba, Dugbe, Jericho, Idishin, Mokola, Iyagukun, Agodi, Oluyole etc have water pipes connect to every houses.


Ikeja (Maryland, Anthony, Allen, Opebi, etc), Ilupeju, Surulere, Yaba, Victoria Island, ikoyi, Eko Atlantic City, Lagos Island etc all have water pipes connected to every houses.

MPSA, where are you? I am coming for Your beautiful cities now because you brought up this Tsunami.

Kibera too has water connected but you guys would argue over it over and over producing some silly blogs as your sources.

Eastwalk:
[b][/Ibadan b]

The third photo, we've seen it a million times man. Please don't repost it again.

9jakool:
Don't mind them, they like to post pictures of Ibadan old city as if that's the only part of Ibadan.

3 American chains
KFC, Domino's Pizza, and Coldstone icecream creamery recently opened restaurants in the "apparent slum" of Ibadan and that's not including other Western franchises and international chains.
Fact: "Ugly" Ibadan's cocoa house was the tallest skyscrapper in Africa for a brief period in 1965. It was built by cocoa money from the agriculture and industrious will of the local people and farmers and not by Europeans or any foreigners.

True. That tower is Ugly man. How come Ibadan had the first skyscraper in Africa yet now it barely has a skyline? Smaller towns in Kenya such as Eldoret have more impressive skylines than Ibadan?

TayserMahiri:
What do we call ours when they call Ibadan old?

I'm wondering the same too.

9jakool:
First, the problem with Ibadan's buildings is not of a structural integrity, but rather of a managing/repair, and infrastructural upgrade. Ibadan houses are typically multistorey and were built in a foundation plan. They were largely constructed during the colonial era when cocoa farmers and merchents cound afford to build multistorey houses. They've just come to mismanagement hence the aged brown colored roofs as they are forms of outdated tin roofs from the colonial era easily sourced from the abundant tin mines in Nigeria. Meanwhile asbestos, not tin was used in Kenya during the colonial ages. I'm actually glad tin was the primary choice in Nigeria, since I've seen the troubles asbestos is causing in Kenya. it's contributing to ailments like cancer, and creating a public health issues which is why your government is spending 10% of the health budget to remove them. Also, even with Ibadan poor planning, it doesn't have open pipes that flow in the path of sewage. Ibadan is not classified as a slum, why? It's natural for the older parts of a city to look crowded or poor like Timbuktu old city in Mali or Fes old city(medina) in Morocco, as they are not classified as slums.
A "slum" is usually a direct result of increased urbanization in developing countries contributing to large influx of poor people in the rural area flocking to larger cities. Since many of these people are poor, they build makeshift houses out of scraps and they live in small plots of land as they are unable to afford land, hence why 60% of Nairobi population live in just 6% of the land. Nairobi slums lack structural integrity as they don't have a proper structural integrity in comparison to Ibadan since most of the "houses" in Nairobi slums aren't actually houses but shacks made from metal and scraps.


Yet the Largest slum in lagos has 100,000 or less people. And better yet "Kibera alone" is the largest slum in the World
Oh yeah you are also wrong
Lol it's Kibera alone. How do you explain these then...
Baba Ndogo
Dandora
Fuata Nyayo
Huruma
Kawangware
Kangemi
Kiambiu
Kibera (consisting of its own little neighborhoods
Majengo, Nairobi
Matopeni
Mathare
Mathare Valley
Mukuru kwa Njenga
Mukuru slums
Nyalenda
Pumwani
Ziwa la Ng'ombe
Kenyatta University Slums


BTW This is Ibadan in the 1960s to highlight what I was talking about.

A bad building is a bad building. When a building is disused, demolish it and build a new one

2. The names you listed, some of them are not within Nairobi and others names of the same slum (area within the same slum) while others (like Babadogo, Dandora etc) are not even slums. I could do the same for Lagos too. See.

Agege
Ajegunle
Amukoko
Badia
Bariga
Bodija
Ijeshatedo/Itire
Ilaje
Iwaya
Makoko
Mushin
Oke-Offa Babasale
Somolu