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iblawi:
Funny people won't kill me with laughter.

Ghana is better than Nigeria because they have roundabout and highest flyover that looks like the one in Dubai.

Now Kenya is better than Nigeria because of Tourism, and HDI.

You guys should please download common sense from Google play store.

How is that related to what we are talking about? Get a brain transplant already.

iblawi:
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If you are a product of Kenya's education then am sorry for Kenya because the link I posted cited each of those comments. Can you see those square brackets with numbers in between them? If yes, they will take you to the source of the information. I believe you can do that if Kenya's education is not dead.

You're very stupid it's useless arguing with you. You copy pasted an article with hyperlinks you think the hyperlinks will be active when you repost it? Stupid Makoko University product.

iblawi:
I didn't see Mauritius, Angola, Tunisia, Nigeria etc on the list and that means you are a hopeless liar.

You're dumb. Tunisia is not in Sub Saharan Africa. Perhaps you don't know what Sub Saharan Africa means. I don't blame your. Your country has pathetic education system.

Add Mauritius to my list. Nigeria has among the least impressive cities on Google maps, don't mention it. Luanda is cool but Nairobi beats it on greenery

iblawi:
It is clearly stated in the post you quoted. It depends on which slums are included in Kibera but it goes above 1 million if put together. Not to talk of other slums a bit far from kibera.


The main kibera has 13 communities but adding others to it will easily push the number above 1 million in that area alone.

The list below counted 21 communities in Kibera alone.

I wish you knew how someone who lives in Nairobi is laughing at you with this list right now.

iblawi:
I didn't see Mauritius, Angola, Tunisia, Nigeria etc on the list and that means you are a hopeless liar.

You're dumb. Tunisia is not in Sub Saharan Africa. Perhaps you don't know what Sub Saharan Africa means. I don't blame your. Your country has pathetic education system.

Add Mauritius to my list. Nigeria has among the least impressive cities on Google maps, don't mention it. Luanda is cool but Nairobi beats it on greenery

iblawi:
I didn't say it o. I posted many links to back up the claims. UN Habitat didn't get there by magic.

The population of kibera slums depends on which community (slums) is added or removed. 2/3 of people in Nairobi are slum dwellers. You can keep post pictures of Nairobi's few planned areas from different angles.

You don't even understand things you post yourself do you?

1. You didn't mention which source places the population at 1 million.

2. Your article says other sources (not mentioned) suggest the total Kibera population may be 500,000 to well over 1,000,000 depending on which slums are included in defining Kibera. They SUGGEST not SAY. And they suggest it is between 500k and 1M depending on which slums are included. This means if all the slums are included according to those sources the population is 1M and if they're not, the population is 500k.The UN is not mentioned anywhere. Meanwhile the article gives the population as based on a census that actually took place at 170k. This includes all slums within Kibera. Interesting to note is that Kibera is fully within the former Langata constituency which has a population of 250k. This means that even if we were to count everyone within Langata as within Kibera the population would never reach 500k.

Despite this you chose to believe an unknown source over actual census figures.

3. Please, I ask you once more to revisit Google maps. It's eye opening. Otherwise if it makes you sleep well at night then you can believe Kibera has 10 million people if you want to. It's tiring arguing with someone that just refuses to see the reality because he doesn't like it.

4. UN-HABITAT didn't come to Nairobi because of Kibera. It chose Nairobi because of Nairobi's status in Africa - same way most other multinationals are choosing Nairobi. If Lagos was a better city than Nairobi perhaps UN HABITAT would be located there. Going by your logic, Rome is the hungriest city in the world with most starving people and that's why FAO is headquartered there.

iblawi:
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Dwellings in Kibera, Nairobi Kenya (ca. 2008)
Kibera (Nubian: Forest or Jungle[1] ) is a division of Nairobi Area, Kenya, and neighbourhood of the city of Nairobi, 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) from the city centre.[2] Kibera is the largest slum in Nairobi, and the largest urban slum in Africa.[2] [3] [4] The 2009 Kenya Population and Housing Census reports Kibera's population as 170,070, contrary to previous estimates of one or two million people.[5] Other sources suggest the total Kibera population may be 500,000 to well over 1,000,000 depending on which slums are included in defining Kibera. [6] [7] [8] [9]
Most of Kibera slum residents live in extreme poverty, earning less than $1.00 per day. Unemployment rates are high. Persons living with HIV in the slum are many, as are AIDS cases.[10] Cases of assault and rape are common. There are few schools, and most people cannot afford education for their children. Clean water is scarce. Diseases caused by poor hygiene are prevalent. A great majority living in the slum lack access to basic services, including electricity, running water, and medical care.
The Government initiated a clearance programme to replace the slum with a residential district of high rise apartments, and relocating the residents to these new buildings upon completion.
The neighbourhood is divided into a number of villages, including Kianda, Soweto East, Gatwekera, Kisumu Ndogo, Lindi, Laini Saba, Siranga, Makina and Mashimoni.


Read more: Kibera https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Kibera&item_type=topic#ixzz4h2cOyLYl
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So you chose to ignore the source from Kenya Population census that actually counted people in Kibera and placed the population at 170k and believe 'other sources' that you don't know just because they place the population at 1 million? Lord have mercy.

Nowenuse:
Are you sure that you are not mad?

You listed those areas of Nairobi yesterday morning and i responded to your comment this morning (1 full day interval), is that not enough time for me to check out the places you listed in the planet you live in?? Jeeez!

I'll continue to expose your foolishness here for the world to see.
See the time of your comment yesterday and the time i replied you this morning!

I posted yesterday morning, today you responded like I had not posted anything. It's clear that you hadn't seen them or paid attention to them till I reminded you to. Having low IQ makes you believe everyone is at your level of reasoning.

Again I asked you a question that you haven't answered. Where did you check them out? Did you fly to Nairobi? You seriously need a new brain.

Anyway, I thought you wanted us to post pictures of those neighborhoods. What happened?

Nowenuse:
It's obvious that you are the one without a brain!

When you mentioned Kenya being 35% urban (since you are using 2017 estimates) why then did you mention Nigeria being around 40% urban, close to Kenya?? (when even 2015 Nigerian estimate was 47% urban) If not that your stupidity is alarming?

I will always refer you to your own comments, look at it below and see how you are just embarrassing yourself!

Gosh, is it just me or that most Kenyans are terrible liars??

So according to you Kenya's urban population rose from 25% to 35% within two years? (2015 - 2017). Dude get yourself a brain.

iblawi:
So Google Earth will tell me the number of slums in Nairobi?

Google Earth will tell me the number of communities in each slums?

Google Earth will tell me the number of people living in those slums.

Slums can be small when measured by area but will contain 20 - 25 times the population of those in a well planed area. You can have 15- 25 families in a 100 *100 meter square. But this will only contain 1 family in a well planed area.


Do you need a simple picture to help with this?


From the pics below, it easy for of me to claim slums are 100 times more populated than planned areas.

You keep posting different photos of the same area and exaggerate that those are the 200 slums of Nairobi. You then say Nairobi is 2/3 slums. Seriously anyone with a brain won't be able to notice a city that is 2/3 slums on Google maps. If you look on Google maps 90% of Nairobi is better planned than Lagos, 90% of Nairobi is well planned estates with good greenery and Parks. Ask yourself where are the 67% slums? Google maps gives you the real image of an area. Stop relying on misleading blogs. Nairobi has a log of high rise residential estates thus it's not just the slums that have large density and even it was so, at least 40% of the city area would be slums to attain the 2/3 you keep throwing around. Interestingly we've given you real population figures from KNBS but you chose to give me links of blogs written by people some who've even never stepped in Nairobi.

Dude, a city that's 67% slum can be seen very clearly on Google maps. Apart from SA, Botswana, Namibia and maybe Harare - Nairobi is the most impressive city in Sub Saharan Africa on Google maps. How someone decides it's 67% slum only God knows.

Nowenuse:
Yes i did, and according to estimates, it is very correct.

Read the link and see that Kenya just like Nigeria is urbanizing by about 4.5% every year, this means that now in 2017, Kenya should be about 34% urban while Nigeria should be about 56% urban.
The statistic was reported in 2015.

Do you really have a brain? Aren't you the same guy who said I am a liar when I said Kenya's urban population is 35% citing CIA as your source that placed it at 25%? I think I should take mtus advice. You're just a troll.

mtis:
the guy is angry at something i dont know..he attacks everyone even his own

He's always angry. He comes from an underdeveloped part of Nigeria and has never travelled beyond his home. Maybe that's why.

mtis:
please dont feed the troll..sorry i ment dont feed Nowenuse

He's definitely a troll. I make a post referring him to 30 neighborhoods I listed and four minutes later he responds claiming he's checked all of them and made a conclusion that they're incomparable to Lagos and have no roads and no local governments. Lol.....I wonder where he checked and the speed he used to check.

Nowenuse:
I have checked out almost all these places you mentioned and what i observed is that most of these places you listed are just estates and neighbourhoods. Whereas some of the places i am listing for you in Lagos are entire local govt areas and towns with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, dozens of estates, streets/neighbourhoods that function almost independently of Lagos city.

I have now really concluded that there is no need to compare Lagos and Nairobi.

Lol.....excuses excuses.

Where have you checked now? You're the kind of person who can't just argue reasonably and articulate your points well. You asked for suburbs, I gave you suburbs now you're evading with a baseless conclusion. You're a special case.

Nowenuse:
Why do you lie recklessly?

According to the world fact book on urbanization, Kenya was only 25% urban in 2015, while Nigeria was 47% urban.
Check the link below

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2212.html

Google map cannot estimate the population of a slum because slums are irregular settlements, hence a slum occupying a smaller landmass can house more people.

Yet you're the same person who claimed a few pages ago that Nairobi Metro has 10 million people - that alone is almost 25% of Kenya.....Maybe you want us to believe that Nairobi Metro is the only urban area in Kenya. But again, you'll always handpick some silly sources when they favor you. Believe what you want budy.

iblawi:
I didn't say it. I've posted many sources here before now that claimed Nairobi alone have over 200 slums. Kibera have nothing less than 13 communities and it's in the heart of Nairobi, Kenya. Please tell us how many communities are in the other slums.

The recent source I posted still claim 2/3 of 3.5 million people that live in Nairobi stay in slums.
The good part of it is that you have the largest slums in the world with the poorest set of people living in them.

Sources, sources, sources. Are those sources more credible than Google earth? How many times should I tell you those so called sources are stupid NGOs wanting to rip big? Why don't you check on Google maps and see the REAL image of Nairobi before you make such assertions?

Nowenuse:
I have dared all the Kenyans here before to a challenge of pictures of Lagos VS Nairobi average and low middleclass suburbs, but they all evaded and chickened away.
So, are you up for the challenge now?

Who chickened out? I gave you a list of five estates in each category - you didn't respond to it.

iblawi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duJUvvXvN40

Welcome to kenya home to the world largest and poorest slums. This is enough to attract tourist. Enough to represent what a slum looks like anywhere in the world.

Sometimes I wonder, do you guys have Google maps in Nigeria? You're so hell-bent on this slum thing pushing in everyone's face how 60% of Nairobi is slums. Why don't you go to Google maps and see for yourself? Why don't you view Nairobi, Mombasa, Nakuru, Kisumu, Eldoret, Kutale, Thika, Nyeri, Kisii, Machakos, Kakamega and every other Kenyan town and tell us if you can view those 60% slums? What do you get from repeating a lie that's been told over and over and convincing yourself that it's true?

9jakool:
No, what you don't want is context. So Nigerians should blame the state of their country on themselves and not on the people who stole from them? So the people who stole billions and billions of dollars from Nigeria have no fault in Nigeria's problems today. Lol, so Nigerians are just "blaming" their dictators since we all know the dictators didn't do anything wrong?
So you as a Kenyan know what Nigerians went through during those years, so when Nigerians blame their dictators, you as a Kenyan who didn't endure what they endured know better than them? Even other countries are willing to attribute many of Nigeria's problems to the neglect it endure during military rule.

Let me give you an example, communism was the form of government in East Germany, while capitalism was the form of government in West Germany from the end of WWII to Germany's unification. Till today, the unemployment and poverty rate in East of the country is significantly higher than the West. Till today, the HDI in the East of the country hasn't catch up to the West. Would it be fair to blame the state of East Germany today on East Germans and not the communism it endure for decades?

Gini is calculated by World Bank at certain times. The chart is based on World bank's estimation. Anyways, the number you gave for Kenya was from 2014, which is more recent than that of Nigeria which was from 4 years prior. Either way 0.5 is almost irrelevant, Kenya still has a problem with inequality just like Nigeria if not slightly worse. By the way, you haven't address the corruption problem in you country. I'm still waiting for that, stop dodging the question.

You say it's from world Bank, why can't you provide the link? You can't just say something is from world Bank and expect everyone to believe you.

shervydman:
why not?...Lagos has a slum and its called MAKOKO.

Lagos doesn't have a slum. It has slums.

shervydman:
who the hell told u Lagos has no slum?...........

........are you trying to say Lagos has slums?

mtis:
This picture below looks like one massive slum .guest which slum city
Lagos

.....and they tell you Lagos has no slums.

uzzyfire:
looll Ghana is ahead of Kenya, then Kenya must be useless

If Kenya is useless yet still ahead of Nigeria then I don't know what to call Nigeria

freshest4live:
So when our large population do not favour us you would sing it to our ears, and when it does you refuse to let us sing our songs too?

How are we refusing to let you sing your songs? Sing your songs if you want to for heaven's sake.

Nowenuse:
This is extremely false!
Your so called capital Nairobi city has over 60% of it's population living in gruelling poverty in Africa's largest slums and you are talking about greater percentage of middle class?

Kenya was only 25% urban in 2015. So, are you saying that majority of the middle class Kenyans live in the villages??

I'll give you Google images of Nairobi v Google images of Lagos to shut your mouth on this 60% slum stupidity.

Kenya's urban population is 35% not 25%. No much difference from your own 40%.

Go back a few pages and see sources tabled by Hbuyosh on sizes of African middle class. Maybe that will wake you up from your slumber of bliss.

Nowenuse:
I mentioned festac, Maryland, Apapa, Anthony, Yaba, Surulere, Gbagada, Ilupeju, Iyana-paja e.t.c as dominantly average/low and high middle class areas.
I can always mention more for you to check out.

Why can't you guys ever list the average, high and low middleclass areas of Nairobi for us? All your poor areas are slums (so we rule that out).
Are you guys trying to tell us that all the average and low middleclass Kenyans live in those beautiful and expensive parts of Nairobi??

I'll give you five for each category and you can check them out on Google maps and compare with those unplanned Lagos settlements.

High Class
1. Muthaiga
2. Karen
3. Spring Valley
4. Kitusuru
5. Gigiri


Upper Middle Class
1. Kilimani
2. Parklands
3. Kileleshwa
4. Westlands
5. Milimani


Middle Class
1. South C
2. South B
3. Nyayo Estate Embakasi
4. Madaraka
5. Imara Daima


Lower Middle Class
1. Buru Buru
2. Fedha Estate
3. Donholm
4. Komarock
5. Pangani


Low Class
1. Umoja
2. Makadara
3. Kariobangi
4. Zimmerman
5. Roysambu


Slums (your favorite)
1. Kibera
2. Margaret
3. Mukuru kwa Njenga
4. Korogocho
5. Kiambiu

I hope you'll shut your mouth now.

Nowenuse:
Imagine. Cities with no GDP. No official worth! No wonder the majority of the residents live in slums.

How can a city have no GDP? Sometimes you do speak from your arse.

Nowenuse:
I see.

Had Kenya done this earlier, the country would have been more urbanized and Nairobi slums wouldn't have been such an issue as it is today.

So are the Kenyan counties now developing their new administrative capital cities?

Are these counties going to build and maitain their own universities and tertiary institutions?

How is the Central govt allocation to these counties like?

The whole of Ibadan, Abeokuta, 60% of Lagos, Ogbomosho are slums yet you're more interested in the tiny 6% of Nairobi that's a slum.

9jakool:
So what do you want? You want Nigerians to praise and celebrate Abacha? Where in the world is that done? I mean you were the one who said Nigerians are like their dictators. Does that even make sense? You are just backpedaling into a larger trap and you should stop now. People who make their country proud will be celebrated, and evil dictators who looted, plundered their country's resources and killed its own people will be hated and spat on. And what rubbish is this: "Your military rulers happened because you're incapable of running a stable government." Lol, someone hasn't heard of global politics. Abacha was a Western puppet like many dictators in African history. The West had interest in the oil and resources of Nigeria, and they were friend of Abacha because he provided cheap oil to them and in return they provided support and helped him hide his loots in their banks.
Oh stop wailing, Nigeria built what they had largely by themselves producing the richest African man and woman, all by themselves. When a country's top consists of disproportional high amount of Indian or European, that's how you know its a relic of a colonial past and a neocolonialist state. Nigeria also had a peacefully transitioning to civilian rule and relatively peaceful elections, which can't be said of a lot of countries in the world. Sadly, there is still about 20 dictators in Africa, many are puppets of the West, but one day they will transition to civilian rule.

You just don't get the point.

I want you to accept when you're beaten without blaming it on your dictators.

Nowenuse:
The source should be your concern, it is from the world bank.

Dude, is your head okay? you simply searched Nairobi GDP and screenshot it and picked random figures that came up and you're trying to say that's World Bank? What are you smoking?

DonnieTheGreat:


You guys are very funny o,
Ok lets even Assume Nigeria's GDP is currently $US 290 Billion

Kenya GDP - $US 75 billion
Ghana GDP - $US 36 billion

Now lets do some dick measuring.

Kenya (75) + Ghana (36) = $US111 billion.

lool,
Even when Nigeria is in recession and her GDP has been "wishfully" cut down by almost 52%. Both your Countries economies combined cannot still measure even half way.

The reality on ground is that the GDP of Lagos is now $US136 billion.

Here is a link to proof:
https://businesshilights.com.ng/lagos-gdp-hits-136b-joins-league-of-fastest-developing-mega-cities-in-the-world/

So Kenya + Ghana (GDP) = $US111 billion
Lagos (GDP) = $US136 billion.

Lool you guys countries combined can't even compete economically with just Lagos!!. I swear its just funny

Conclusion:
I can't thank God enough for making me Nigerian

You also forgot one thing.

Ghana's population = 27 million
Kenya's population = 45 million
Nigeria's population = 180 million
27+45 = 72<180.

9jakool:
Pathetic!
You didn't realize that was what I was alluding to all along. Then again I was luring you into a trap, now that you've paste the stats that wikipedia has cooked up for you, I can now proceed. Oh NairobiWalker why don't you tell the full story?
If you don't, I will.
In developing countries (e.g Nigeria, Kenya), the Gini coefficient tends to drop overtime. It would be bogus to claim a country is "more backward" based on a .5 difference in Gini coefficient. Now, that's giving NairobiWalker the benefit of the doubt that his stats are accurate. However, it would be wrong to suggest so. In 2010, the Gini index for Nigeria was 43 while Kenya's figure in 2014 was 42.5, meaning it took Kenya almost 4 years to catch up to Nigeria in terms of wealth distribution. Looking at the map below created in 2014 at a more accurate time, it would suggest that as of 2014, Nigeria's inequality (pinkish white) falls in the middle and is comparable to that of the US, meanwhile Kenya's Gini coefficient index falls in the light reddish zone, comparable to that of China.

Oh one more thing, inequality is only one piece of the puzzle, corruption is the other.

Please give us the source of your map. Don't just drop random maps