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Crime › Re: Nigerian Pastor Arrested In Zimbabwe For Allegedly Smuggling 2.33 Kg Of Cocaine by Napata77: 12:11am On Dec 22, 2022
And they are the first and foremost to insult Nigeria online. Go on YouTube, and 9 out of 10 critically harsh comments against Nigeria are by Igbos.

An ethnic group filled with traitorous, spiteful, drug-pushing bastards.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op): 9:28am On Dec 21, 2022
boogie2:
Bro, u no mention the street lights powered by palm oil. Another dutch explorer compared to the the streets in Benin to the streets of Netherlands bit better road network, well paved roads.
This was how Benin looked in the 1500s according to the descriptions by visitors. Note the streetlights. There also had underground drainage, and theft was unknown. A crime - free society.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/75/82/cf/7582cf33dcb5845234f37091f6670808.jpg

Here's an artist's rendition of the great palace of the Oba of Benin that was built in the 11th century and burnt down by the British in 1897.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/27/9e/14/279e14bf0319884c68486a0bdd7697ff.jpg
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op): 9:12am On Dec 21, 2022
ozijay:
This is exactly what I'm trying to say, Africans acting all important for things that wouldn't have been valued if the colonial masters didn't place value on them. You would think Nigerians cared about Artifacts over money or oil, when they don't even value human lives. Just look at our country since the discovery of oil. Our fore father's were actually evil, barbaric, primitive and diabolic and if not for civilization they still would have been locked in the past. Ungrateful people.
Says a demented, colonised slave.

Here's what the UK Guardian wrote about ''our forefathers'' whom you just insulted.

Benin City, The Mighty Medieval Capital Now Lost Without Trace

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e0fd6147a67600c3bfa00ad8b0761b8b5c9a57d1/43_198_1101_660/master/1101.jpg?width=1020&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=8b57e78ea071e6c059b7c9a3b1e0a4d1
Benin City was described as ‘wealthy and industrious, well-governed and richly decorated’. Illustration: Decompiling Dapper: A Preliminary Search for Evidence


Guardian Newspaper, UK

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace


With its mathematical layout and earthworks longer than the Great Wall of China, Benin City was one of the best planned cities in the world when London was a place of ‘thievery and murder’. So why is nothing left?



This is the story of a lost medieval city you’ve probably never heard about. Benin City, originally known as Edo, was once the capital of a pre-colonial African empire located in what is now southern Nigeria. The Benin empire was one of the oldest and most highly developed states in west Africa, dating back to the 11th century.

The Guinness Book of Records (1974 edition) described the walls of Benin City and its surrounding kingdom as the world’s largest earthworks carried out prior to the mechanical era. According to estimates by the New Scientist’s Fred Pearce, Benin City’s walls were at one point “four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops [in Egypt]”.

Situated on a plain, Benin City was enclosed by massive walls in the south and deep ditches in the north. Beyond the city walls, numerous further walls were erected that separated the surroundings of the capital into around 500 distinct villages.

Pearce writes that these walls “extended for some 16,000 km in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They covered 6,500 sq km and were all dug by the Edo people … They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet”.

Barely any trace of these walls exist today.

Benin City was also one of the first cities to have a semblance of street lighting. Huge metal lamps, many feet high, were built and placed around the city, especially near the king’s palace. Fuelled by palm oil, their burning wicks were lit at night to provide illumination for traffic to and from the palace.

When the Portuguese first “discovered” the city in 1485, they were stunned to find this vast kingdom made of hundreds of interlocked cities and villages in the middle of the African jungle. They called it the “Great City of Benin”, at a time when there were hardly any other places in Africa the Europeans acknowledged as a city. Indeed, they classified Benin City as one of the most beautiful and best planned cities in the world.

In 1691, the Portuguese ship captain Lourenco Pinto observed: “Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than Lisbon; all the streets run straight and as far as the eye can see. The houses are large, especially that of the king, which is richly decorated and has fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious. It is so well governed that theft is unknown and the people live in such security that they have no doors to their houses.”

In contrast, London at the same time is described by Bruce Holsinger, professor of English at the University of Virginia, as being a city of “thievery, prostitution, murder, bribery and a thriving black market made the medieval city ripe for exploitation by those with a skill for the quick blade or picking a pocket”.

African fractals

Benin City’s planning and design was done according to careful rules of symmetry, proportionality and repetition now known as fractal design. The mathematician Ron Eglash, author of African Fractals – which examines the patterns underpinning architecture, art and design in many parts of Africa – notes that the city and its surrounding villages were purposely laid out to form perfect fractals, with similar shapes repeated in the rooms of each house, and the house itself, and the clusters of houses in the village in mathematically predictable patterns.

As he puts it: “When Europeans first came to Africa, they considered the architecture very disorganised and thus primitive. It never occurred to them that the Africans might have been using a form of mathematics that they hadn’t even discovered yet.”


At the centre of the city stood the king’s court, from which extended 30 very straight, broad streets, each about 120-ft wide. These main streets, which ran at right angles to each other, had underground drainage made of a sunken impluvium with an outlet to carry away storm water. Many narrower side and intersecting streets extended off them. In the middle of the streets were turf on which animals fed.

“Houses are built alongside the streets in good order, the one close to the other,” writes the 17th-century Dutch visitor Olfert Dapper. “Adorned with gables and steps … they are usually broad with long galleries inside, especially so in the case of the houses of the nobility, and divided into many rooms which are separated by walls made of red clay, very well erected.”

Dapper adds that wealthy residents kept these walls “as shiny and smooth by washing and rubbing as any wall in Holland can be made with chalk, and they are like mirrors. The upper storeys are made of the same sort of clay. Moreover, every house is provided with a well for the supply of fresh water”.

Family houses were divided into three sections: the central part was the husband’s quarters, looking towards the road; to the left the wives’ quarters (oderie), and to the right the young men’s quarters (yekogbe).

Daily street life in Benin City might have consisted of large crowds going though even larger streets, with people colourfully dressed – some in white, others in yellow, blue or green – and the city captains acting as judges to resolve lawsuits, moderating debates in the numerous galleries, and arbitrating petty conflicts in the markets.

The early foreign explorers’ descriptions of Benin City portrayed it as a place free of crime and hunger, with large streets and houses kept clean; a city filled with courteous, honest people, and run by a centralised and highly sophisticated bureaucracy.

The city was split into 11 divisions, each a smaller replication of the king’s court, comprising a sprawling series of compounds containing accommodation, workshops and public buildings – interconnected by innumerable doors and passageways, all richly decorated with the art that made Benin famous. The city was literally covered in it.

The exterior walls of the courts and compounds were decorated with horizontal ridge designs (agben) and clay carvings portraying animals, warriors and other symbols of power – the carvings would create contrasting patterns in the strong sunlight. Natural objects (pebbles or pieces of mica) were also pressed into the wet clay, while in the palaces, pillars were covered with bronze plaques illustrating the victories and deeds of former kings and nobles.

At the height of its greatness in the 12th century – well before the start of the European Renaissance – the kings and nobles of Benin City patronised craftsmen and lavished them with gifts and wealth, in return for their depiction of the kings’ and dignitaries’ great exploits in intricate bronze sculptures.

“These works from Benin are equal to the very finest examples of European casting technique,” wrote Professor Felix von Luschan, formerly of the Berlin Ethnological Museum. “Benvenuto Celini could not have cast them better, nor could anyone else before or after him. Technically, these bronzes represent the very highest possible achievement.”

https://s3media.freemalaysiatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/benin-bronzes.jpg


What impressed the first visiting Europeans most was the wealth, artistic beauty and magnificence of the city. Immediately European nations saw the opportunity to develop trade with the wealthy kingdom, importing ivory, palm oil and pepper – and exporting guns. At the beginning of the 16th century, word quickly spread around Europe about the beautiful African city, and new visitors flocked in from all parts of Europe, with ever glowing testimonies, recorded in numerous voyage notes and illustrations.

Lost world

Now, however, the great Benin City is lost to history. Its decline began in the 15th century, sparked by internal conflicts linked to the increasing European intrusion and slavery trade at the borders of the Benin empire.

Then in 1897, the city was destroyed by British soldiers – looted, blown up and burnt to the ground....

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op): 9:03am On Dec 21, 2022
goshen26:
I hope we are smart enough to watch those images keenly before bringing them in...

Some tiny chips might be on them
They will be well examined by experts on arrival.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op):
femicyrus:
The world had moved to technology while Nigeria should be given back thier artifacts that was a treasure about 125 years ago
Wrong thinking. Even highly industrialised countries do not neglect their history because they've embraced technology.

Japan, UK, China, all invest billions of dollars in maintaining and promoting their historical sites and treasures, and receive billions of dollars in tourism earnings per annum in consequence.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op): 3:46am On Dec 21, 2022
generalwo:
.... What is racist abi what he said?
The N word is a racist, disgusting and filthy word.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op): 2:25am On Dec 21, 2022
Swiperite:
If you ask me, I will suggest they keep the artifacts in their museums and send us the revenue generated from visitors.

The items are better cared for over the there.
Thank heavens we didn't ask you.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op):
BRATISLAVA:
Well, you're talking rubbish.

If the British didn't attach value to them and keep them, they wouldn't exist.
Because you are an ignoramus, you don't know that there are thousands of artefacts in our museums and palaces that are dated to over a thousand years old. How come they ''exist''?!

The same way you sold people as slaves, they would've ended up in their hands anyway. For all we know, they were sold.
Err..no, the Benin treasures were not ''sold''. Benin City was raided, bombed, burned down and looted by the British in 1897, and her treasures carted away in ships.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/benin.jpeg

As for the slave trade, it began by European ships armed with cannon berthing at isolated coastal West African villages and DEMANDING x number of captives or risk bombardment, which forced the people to raid neighbouring villages and clans for captives. That was what began the 'trade', so don't go blaming AFRICANS for it.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op):
BRATISLAVA:
So much hot air.

Why would I have to know about German and British owned totems, and a history that is yours?

All the other artefacts that the British didn't preserve for you, the ones they left in Nigeria, where are they and why have they been used to make fires for roasting wildlife? If they were kept by Africans, where are they?

Olodo, the artefacts are right here in Nigeria in our various museums and palaces, NONE OF WHICH YOU HAVE EVER VISITED IN YOUR LIFE, or know the first thing about.

On the internet, every riffraff mummy's boy with nothing upstairs and zero knowledge can come out and shout about ''Africans''.

Nor be your fault.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op): 11:39pm On Dec 20, 2022
BigBashiru:
Im glad this is on first page so as many ppl as possible will read it. One more thing, if they stole the arts, they also stole science and technology.. google "timbuktu manuscript" for confirmation of what africans achieved in science and technology that they tried to erase... just as they erased that of the native americans!
Well said. The Timbuktu Manuscripts comprise millions of volumes of written texts in West Africa dated to as far back as the 9th century, and covering every discipline from law to science, astronomy, alchemy, biology, religion, philosophy, and medicine.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op): 11:31pm On Dec 20, 2022
Ifakiland:
Stupid post, your headline says 1000 bronze, den main article says 21....wack blogger
Read the full article, you lazy bum.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op): 11:26pm On Dec 20, 2022
BRATISLAVA:
Things that Nigerians would've thrown into fires and roasted snakes on centuries ago, because colonials made them valuable, they've been acting like they were stolen from them.
Such a display of historical illiteracy and stark ignorance.

The Benin Bronzes were looted from the PALACE OF THE OBA OF BENIN IN 1897. AMONG THE TREASURES ARE ARTEFACTS DATED TO THE 11TH CENTURY, IE 800 YEARS EARLIER.

So, the Palace of the Oba of Benin is not a place that throws its ancient treasures ''into fires to roast snakes'' or whatever ignorant garbage you typed.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op):
Slawomirr:
Damnnn n......r

The ancient city of Benin where the King is truely king
Kindly do not use your disgusting racist term on this thread, you tool of racists.
Politics › Re: Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op):
Britain, Britain, Britain!

How many times did I call you?

You said our ancestors were uncivllized, primitive savages.

We agree. Oya, return our uncivilized, primitive, and savage historical artefacts, UNA NO GREE.

You have THOUSANDS of Benin Bronzes in your possession. Only a few are displayed in your museums, the rest are hidden in underground vaults.

Are you sure it's not you, Britain, that are the real uncivilized, barbaric savages?

I mean, even shamelessly holding on to something everyone knows you stole, and proudly displaying them in your museums... is that not the very height of savagery?

Putting the 'spoils of war' on public display is a very ancient, barbaric practice that Africans had long abandoned even before you invaded.

Why?

Because Africa is the Cradle of Civilization.

The HOME of civilization.

Where men live by proverbs, the palm oil with which words are eaten.


SO we understand why you can't let go of our treasures.


According to your people...


“These works from Benin are equal to the very finest examples of European casting technique,” wrote Professor Felix von Luschan, formerly of the Berlin Ethnological Museum. “Benvenuto Celini could not have cast them better, nor could anyone else before or after him. Technically, these bronzes represent the very highest possible achievement.”

Source, UK Guardian Newspaper.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace

Benin Bronzes, 12th Century
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/06/20/TELEMMGLPICT000164862843_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqLZ1bJd-I99VgiaPxe-UMcC6-Lp4metz6QMdj34ESPoA.jpeg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YJIkhMi_6PU/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e2a186352da4258621c0268a02cbb4479dc345a7/0_299_6048_3628/master/6048.jpg?width=1200&height=900&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=c413bec1d0b30dfdd462e1d03300ae48
Politics › Germany Returns 1,000 Benin Bronzes To Nigeria Amid Frustrstion At Britain by Napata77(op): 8:51pm On Dec 20, 2022
Germany returns 21 Benin bronzes to Nigeria – amid frustration at Britain

Artefacts looted in 19th century by UK soldiers and sold on, with many more still held by the British Museum

UK Guardian Newspaper

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One of the Benin bronzes handed over to Nigeria by Germany in a ceremony on Tuesday.

Twenty-one precious artefacts that were looted by British soldiers from the former west African kingdom of Benin 125 years ago have been handed over by Germany to Nigeria amid laughter, tears, and some audible frustration with the ongoing silence of the country that first stole them.

The objects from the haul of treasures known as the Benin bronzes, including a brass head of an oba (king), a ceremonial ada and a throne depicting a coiled-up python, were taken from the sacked city during a British punitive expedition in 1897 and later sold to German museums in Berlin, Hamburg, Stuttgart and Cologne.

Shortly after lunchtime on Tuesday, Germany’s foreign minister, Annalena Baerbock, passed perhaps the most spectacular of the returned objects into the gloved hands of Nigeria’s culture minister, Lai Mohammed.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/95315cb8ec4617a6c5e738fdac9b62a6d2553c66/0_426_6394_3837/master/6394.jpg?width=620&quality=85&dpr=1&s=none
The German foreign minister, Annalena Baerbock, and her Nigerian counterpart, Geoffrey Onyeama, at the handing over ceremony.

“She comes back to where she belongs,” Baerbock said as she handed over a miniature mask of the Iyoba (queen Mother), made of ivory and decorated with yellow glass pearls, red coral and a crown of stylised electric catfish, which was looted from the bedchamber of the last independent oba.

A sample of more than 1,000 Benin bronzes whose ownership Germany legally transferred to Nigeria on 1 July, the artworks were picked up by lorry from the museums, loaded into the cargo hold of a German air force plane at Cologne airport and then flown to Abuja, the capital of Nigeria, via Berlin on Sunday.

On Tuesday, the artworks were unwrapped and put on display on the back of a stage inside the wood-panelled conference hall at Nigeria’s foreign ministry.

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One of the returned bronzes.

But as a nation celebrated the return of its long-lost cultural heritage, frustration was expressed with Britain, which holds the single largest collection of Benin bronzes at the British Museum but whose governments have stonewalled restitution debates for more than a century.

“Britain has most of the works, and we thought they would provide leadership”, said Godwin Obaseki, the governor of Edo state, whose modern borders in Nigeria’s south encompass many of the regions that used to belong to the Benin empire. “They were the ones who came here and destroyed the empire, they were the ones who looted pieces from here, and they should be leading in restitution.”

At the handover ceremony, Mohammed said he had hoped Germany’s move would nudge the UK into opening talks about the bronzes held at the British Museum. “But I met a brick wall”, he said. “The British Museum must understand that repatriation is a turn whose time has come.”


https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e7da5a75e321f6f55d4bda2d918ff8bcb41d6854/0_0_5184_3110/master/5184.jpg?width=620&quality=85&dpr=1&s=none
The Nigerian culture minister, Lai Mohammed (second right) holds up one of the returned objects.


Other individual bronzes have already been returned to their country of origin: London’s Horniman Museum and Gardens last month handed over six objects from its collection to a Nigerian delegation, one of a handful of British institutions to take unilateral steps.

France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, who kickstarted a debate about restituting colonial objects to Africa five years ago, returned 26 objects in November 2021 from France’s Musée du quai Branly to the neighbouring republic of Benin, which is not linked to the former kingdom of Benin.

But these are the first Benin bronzes to be returned as part of a government delegation, peacefully completing a journey from European museums that Marvel’s 2018 Black Panther and blaxploitation movies of the 1980s had imagined would have to come by force.

Political leaders in Edo state expressed hope that Berlin’s move would create political momentum that would force the UK government to end its century-long silence on the subject.

Germany’s announcement in the summer drew critical questions from other European states, especially Britain. But on Monday, German foreign ministry officials said the apology by the Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, for the Netherlands’ role in the slave trade added to an impression of a converging EU stance on postcolonial issues.

“This is not the end of a process but the beginning,” said Germany’s culture commissioner, Claudia Roth. “It marks a turning point in international cultural policy.”

For Germany, the arrival of a dynamic young politician in the foreign ministry proved a catalyst for a return movement that had been agreed in principle during the Merkel era but had threatened to lose momentum.

“What would it mean for us to be deprived of our cultural heritage?”, Baerbock said in Abuja on Tuesday. “To not be able to marvel at the Gutenberg Bible in Mainz? To be unable to admire Martin Luther’s writings? To stand in front of a sculpture by Käthe Kollwitz in Berlin or at Goethe’s desk in Weimar? It evokes a sense of loss I can hardly imagine. To you here in Nigeria, however, this loss has been your reality.”

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/38f16382f281d919b3dca3a1d1e2f4ce4c784ad5/0_0_6720_4032/master/6720.jpg?width=620&quality=85&dpr=1&s=none
Annalena Baerbock, in Abuja

At the end of her speech, the 42-year-old held up a large brass key decorated with leopard figures, which had made its way to Cologne via Britain, Ireland and France at the end of the 19th century. “Today, it’s back here, it’s back where it belongs”, she said.

The Benin bronzes that have returned to Nigeria are meant to be eventually put on display at a new pavilion in Benin City, which Germany is co-financing with €4m.

The pavilion is expected to be opened in 2024 and is supposed to form the apex of a new cultural centre that would support restitution projects in other African countries. Fundraising for a new Edo museum of west-African art, designed by the Ghanaian-British architect David Adjaye, is scheduled to start after the pavilion’s opening.

World class facility to house the returned Benin Bronzes and other Nigerian and West African artefacts.
Under construction in Benin City.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/11/13/arts/13adjaye1/13adjaye1-mediumSquareAt3X.jpg

Travel › Re: LASG Announces Completion Of First Phase Of Lagos Light Rail (Marina To Mile 2) by Napata77: 6:38am On Dec 20, 2022
Kentuforchrist:
So make we clap for them or wat

Is it not their right?
OH SHUT UP, INGRATE.

See a good thing and applaud. It won't kill you!

After all govts in decades past would chop that money, and you won't know jack.
Travel › Re: LASG Announces Completion Of First Phase Of Lagos Light Rail (Marina To Mile 2) by Napata77: 6:35am On Dec 20, 2022
Nice one. Nigeria is moving forward.
Food › Re: The Nigerian Food From Another Tribe You Enjoy. (Pic) by Napata77:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Tuwo Shinkafa here.

Very few dishes can beat a well made Tuwo Shinkafa with groundnut soup, Maiduguri style.
Food › Re: The Nigerian Food From Another Tribe You Enjoy. (Pic) by Napata77: 5:32am On Dec 20, 2022
Dreadlock69:
Amala ati ewedu
Amala ati efo riro
Roundabout , shaki

Afang soup with fufu
Edikiong soup with fufu

Proudly my mum cooks all and she's ibo so i enjoy yoruba and different kinds of soup cooked by her chaiii my papa go market well.
Sadly I can’t see a girl that can cook like her
...lucky you.
Politics › Re: Emefiele: We Will Not Succumb To Intimidation, Desperation Of Hirelings - DSS by Napata77: 2:45am On Dec 20, 2022
Mrfksb1:
Shithole country


God bless Los Angeles

God bless America

I made the happiest decision of leaving that shithole in 2019

I never regret that decision till today. In LA I've got peace and happiness you can ever have as human here on earth

Africa is hell and it will forever be hell.
Animal. So what are you doing on this forum?

Why are you not on a Los Angeles forum?

Isn't it because you are a nobody there, and nobody cares what you think?

Stupid, useless dunce feeling important.

You're not wanted or needed here either, so get lost, you filthy maggot.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Putin Readies Massive Yars Nuclear Missile Capable Of Hitting US And UK ( Pics) by Napata77: 1:19am On Dec 20, 2022
Yankiss:
Putin is just forming strong man. He should know that no body outlives death. Hitler with all his arsenal had to commit suicide in an underground bunker. .....
....or so you were told.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Dutch PM Apologises For Netherlands’ Role In Slave Trade by Napata77: 1:02am On Dec 20, 2022
Ckonnet:
The dutch eeh, I count them as the smartest people on earth.
More like trickish.
Foreign Affairs › Re: How Should Africa's Borders Be Redrawn? Let's Discuss. by Napata77(op): 12:51am On Dec 20, 2022
Blue3k:
Since this is just a thought experiment I would suggest every nation add a seccession clause. After that, every aggrieved group can leave if they please. If they choose to join a neighboring country cool if they stagnate and fail I guess they will be militarily and economically dominated by their neighbors. You can be free but with permanent occupation, force to keep peace, and maintain trade like Germany or Japan or DRC.
I disagree with your secession clause.

WHEN DO WE STOP RUNNING AWAY FROM OUR PROBLEMS, FOR GOODNESS' SAKE?

Other countries have problems. They go through hell and high water to resolve their issues.

Africans have problem. The first thing is secession. Everybody go his way.

Stand up and solve your problems like men!

Who will invest in a country where any region can just wake up in the morning and declare secession?

You people should stop this nonsense, please.
Foreign Affairs › Re: How Should Africa's Borders Be Redrawn? Let's Discuss. by Napata77(op):
richeeyo:
African maps needs no redrawing
Its the mindset of Africans that needs redrawing
But you may need a redrawn map to create or generate the leadership consciousness that would care to go about changing the mindset of the people, through national re-orientation programs, etc. Such govt activism is often insincere in artificial nations.
Foreign Affairs › How Should Africa's Borders Be Redrawn? Let's Discuss. by Napata77(op):
How Should Africa's Borders Be Redrawn?

There are 4 options that come to mind.

Those with other configurations are welcome to contribute their intellect to the discourse.


1) Complete dismantling of all nations and reforming new nations along ethno-religious alignments agreed on by relevant stakeholders.

The dismantling will take place after these agreements have taken place over a preceding one year window. So that there is a seamless transition between the old and the new nations. This process could result in any number of nations, from 20 to 200, depending on who wants to stay with whom. Or maybe, to guarantee the viability of the nations, there could by a rule limiting the number of nations to say, 30.

2) Create 4 or 5 super nations out of the current 54, giving each of them more resource and economic clout.

3) Create a SINGLE African nation, a United States of Africa, with a single constitution, military, currency, and central government. In terms of sheer control of natural resources, this would effectively be the richest country on Earth, able to dictate the price of its commodities, unlike today where it is a price taker as a result of the multiplicity of African nations competing for buyers, hence driving prices down.

4) Remain as presently constituted, and try to gradually overcome the ethno-religious, political, and economic challenges posed by our artificial alignments.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Dutch PM Apologises For Netherlands’ Role In Slave Trade by Napata77: 10:32pm On Dec 19, 2022
Wiseandtrue:
This is what I expected from Britain
Don't hold your breath.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Dutch PM Apologises For Netherlands’ Role In Slave Trade by Napata77: 10:31pm On Dec 19, 2022
ItsTutsi:
Only apology accepted is for Netherlands become visa free grin wink
Abi o? So we can go there and enjoy OUR money.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Dutch PM Apologises For Netherlands’ Role In Slave Trade by Napata77: 9:53pm On Dec 19, 2022
thebosstrevor1:
The financial and resources colonization they are doing on Africa, when will they stop
Exactly. When you listen to what Al-Mustapha has been saying, you will know that these oyinbo apologies are just for show.
Culture › Re: Yoruba Names Whose Meanings Are Now Lost by Napata77: 7:00am On Dec 19, 2022
Ọrẹ̀ (re|do)names like Oresanya. They do not derive from Ọ̀rẹ́, (dò|mí), friend, but from Ọrẹ̀, (re|do), a deity. A phrase like “A kìí ọmọ Ọrẹ̀ bọ Ọrẹ̀” (you don’t use the child of Ọrẹ̀ to propitiate Ọrẹ̀) comes to mind.
Re is RA, the Egyptian God of Creation, who was also known as Re.

Orisha is also linked to Horus-at, the full name of the Egyptian Son of God, Horus.

The Yoruba have clear links to ancient Egypt, and their ancestors were among those that built the pyramids.


Ra (/rɑː/; romanized: rʿ) or Re (/reɪ/; Coptic: romanized: Rē) was the ancient Egyptian deity of the sun. By the Fifth Dynasty, in the 25th and 24th centuries BC, he had become one of the most important gods in ancient Egyptian religion, identified primarily with the noon-day sun. Ra ruled in all parts of the created world: the sky, the earth, and the underworld. He was the god of the sun, order, kings and the sky.

Ra was portrayed as a falcon and shared characteristics with the sky-god Horus. At times the two deities were merged as Ra-Horakhty, "Ra, who is Horus of the Two Horizons". In the New Kingdom, when the god Amun rose to prominence he was fused with Ra as Amun-Ra.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
Politics › Re: Ugwuanyi Inaugurates New Enugu State Multi-Door Courthouse Building by Napata77: 3:59am On Dec 19, 2022
GardenOfGod:
Nigeria... Always building four square structures... No mind blowing architectural edifice. Nonsense!
It's only a damn courthouse.

No need for expensive ''mind blowing architecture''.

If some of you on this forum were actually our leaders, Nigeria would be far worse off than it is.
Culture › Re: Yorubas And Igbos Once Spoke The SAME Language - Evidence by Napata77(op): 3:22am On Dec 19, 2022
AjaanaOka:
I see no regular sound correspondence between both languages that support the sort of sound change you're proposing. For example, are there other examples where a 'z' in Igbo varies as 'h' or 'y' in Yoruba?

Here is a short list of the words for 'tooth' in a number of closely related languages, classified as either NOI (Nupoid-Oko-Idomoid) languages or as YEAI (Yoruboid-Edoid-Akokoid-Igboid) languages:
Yoruba - Eyin/Ehin
Igala (a Yoruboid language) - Enyi
Akokoid - Eyin
Ebira - Anyi
Idoma - Ainu
Edo and Edoid languages - Akon
Nupe - Ika
Gbagyi - Nyikna.
Igbo - Eze

The Igbo word is the ONLY odd word in this cluster. It is, in its form, very distant from all the rest; and is very probably not directly cognate with them. Taking it away, it is possible to propose a hypothesis that the rest of the words descend from a common ancestral word, which probably sounded close to the Gbagyi form, *Nyikna. One can quite easily see how eyin/ehin, anyi and enyi could be formed from the loss of the second syllable in *nyikna; and how ika and akon could develop from the loss of the initial sound of the same ancestral word.

But eze? That word most probably came from a different source. In an old discussion here with ChinenyeN, I suggested that there was a very old relationship between Proto-Igboid and the ancestral language(s) of the Lower Cross Language Family (this family includes Obolo/Andoni and the Ibibioid languages), and that some words in modern Igbo which are not cognate with their counterparts in modern Yoruba, Edoid and Akokoid languages may be early loans from Proto-Lower Cross. One example I gave was the Igbo word for canoe or boat (ugbo), which is not cognate with the word for this item in Yoruba/Edoid/Akokoid, but seemingly cognate with Ibibioid words for the same item (*ubom). Another example is the Igbo word for vulture (udele) which is cognate with Ibibioid words for the same bird, but not with words for it in Yoruboid/Edoid/Akokoid and even Nupoid/Oko/Idomoid, which all have a -gu- root.

Eze seems, to me, to be another Lower Cross loan. The reconstructed proto-Lower Cross word for tooth is *edet, and is more than likely to be cognate with 'eze'. From a preliminary survey of just a few Lower Cross words, it does appear to me that 'd', or 'di' in Lower Cross can vary as/change to 'j' or 'z' in Igbo.

*idiok (bad/ugly in Ibibioid) is probably cognate with ajo/njo in Igbo { di/j sound correspondence}, and
*idiok (chimpanzee in Ibibioid) is probably cognate with ozo dimgba in Igbo

To this one may add:
*edet (tooth in Ibibioid) is probably cognate with eze in Igbo.

(I'll note here that Roger Blench reconstructs tooth in proto-Igboid as eje. A lot of words with z in their modern forms were reconstructed to their ancestral forms by him with a j. This may have been true of the ozo example as well; and a later change of some j's to z's may have occurred.)
But the high volume of cognates on the list cannot be obviated by one or two words with a disputable connection.

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