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Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 10:12am On Jan 20, 2021
wirinet:
I stand corrected. Still against the law anyway. I believe the government is putting the burned of their incompetence on the general population.
What happens to seizing or suspending driver's license or even vehicle license. What happens to punishing the actual offenders instead of the owner. Most cars owners don't drive themselves and employ driver's. You mean I send my driver to go on an errand, he drives one way andyou car get impounded and auctioned, while the driver goes scot-free?
All those things you wrote have been done before I have seen the result. In fact I'm going to write about the result in a minute.

With respect to employing a driver, you can check out my last post about what happened to my relative last year
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 9:45am On Jan 20, 2021
I have been on the receiving end of this thing twice.


Last year I had to assist a relative of mine to buy back her car because her driver stupidly drove against the flow of traffic. In 2005 I followed someone to search for his car after LASTMA towed it away. It still hasn't, wouldn't and can't make me go against the policy. In fact, it was last year when I discovered that people can buy back their vehicles at the auction that I became convinced that crushing the cars is the right way to go.

This is not about supporting any government. I have a right to move around Lagos without some lunatic trying to kill me by driving against the flow of traffic and I will fully support anything that protects that right.
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 7:32am On Jan 20, 2021
plaindealer:
You misread and misinterpreted the law you referenced.

Yes, the government can not take over your property for no reason and without adequate compensation, but not when it has to do with criminal activities and infractions against the law.


It's already ben decided that the FRSC by law can impound your vehicle.






We can not keep wailing against the people in power for a better Nigeria when we are not even ready and willing to do better and live by the same social codes and governance that we desire as a people.
That section is taken from the part of the constitution that addresses the fundamental rights of citizens. No right is absolute and the constitution always states the limitations beaneath the rights. He stopped before he got to the limitations. This is the full thing. Note the part in bold text.


42.

(1) No movable property or any interest in an immovable property shall be taken possession of compulsorily and no right over or interest in any such property shall be acquired compulsorily in any part of Nigeria except in the manner and for the purpose prescribed by a law that, among other things -

(a) requires the prompt payment of compensation therefor; and

(b) gives to any person claiming such compensation a right of access for the determination of his interest in the property and the amount of compensation to a court of law or tribunal or body having jurisdiction in that part of Nigeria.

(2) Nothing in subsection (1) of this section shall be construed as affecting any general law -

(a) for the imposition or enforcement of any tax, rate or duty;

(b) for the imposition of penalties or forfeitures for the breach of any law, whether under civil process or after conviction for an offence;

(c) relating to leases, tenancies, mortgages, charges, bills of sale or any other rights or obligations arising out of contracts;

(d) relating to the vesting and administration of the property of persons adjudged or otherwise declared bankrupt or insolvent, of persons of unsound mind or deceased persons, and of corporate or unincorporated bodies in the course of being wound up;

(e) relating to the execution of judgments or orders of courts;

(f) providing for the taking of possession of property that is in a dangerous state or is injurious to the health of human beings, plants or animals;

(g) relating to enemy property;

(h) relating to trusts and trustees;

(i) relating to limitation of actions;

(j) relating to property vested in bodies corporate directly established by any law in force in Nigeria;

(k) relating to the temporary taking of possession of property for the purpose of any examination, investigation or enquiry;

(l) providing for the carrying out of work on land for the purpose of soil conservation; or

(m) subject to prompt payment of compensation for damage to buildings, economic trees or crops, providing for any authority or person to enter, survey or dig any land, or to lay, install or erect poles, cables, wires, pipes, or other conductors or structures on any land, in order to provide or maintain the supply or distribution of energy, fuel, water, sewage, telecommunication services or other public facilities or public utilities.
http://www.concourt.am/armenian/legal_resources/world_constitutions/constit/nigeria/nigeri-e.htm
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 7:25am On Jan 20, 2021
wirinet:
The Lagos State government or any other government don't have the powers to impound and auction your car. That's is against section 44 (1) of the Nigerian constitution, which states and I quote;


How can people obey the law when the government itself is lawless.
See text in bold below.

42.

(1) No movable property or any interest in an immovable property shall be taken possession of compulsorily and no right over or interest in any such property shall be acquired compulsorily in any part of Nigeria except in the manner and for the purpose prescribed by a law that, among other things -

(a) requires the prompt payment of compensation therefor; and

(b) gives to any person claiming such compensation a right of access for the determination of his interest in the property and the amount of compensation to a court of law or tribunal or body having jurisdiction in that part of Nigeria.

(2) Nothing in subsection (1) of this section shall be construed as affecting any general law -

(a) for the imposition or enforcement of any tax, rate or duty;

(b) for the imposition of penalties or forfeitures for the breach of any law, whether under civil process or after conviction for an offence;

(c) relating to leases, tenancies, mortgages, charges, bills of sale or any other rights or obligations arising out of contracts;

(d) relating to the vesting and administration of the property of persons adjudged or otherwise declared bankrupt or insolvent, of persons of unsound mind or deceased persons, and of corporate or unincorporated bodies in the course of being wound up;

(e) relating to the execution of judgments or orders of courts;

(f) providing for the taking of possession of property that is in a dangerous state or is injurious to the health of human beings, plants or animals;

(g) relating to enemy property;

(h) relating to trusts and trustees;

(i) relating to limitation of actions;

(j) relating to property vested in bodies corporate directly established by any law in force in Nigeria;

(k) relating to the temporary taking of possession of property for the purpose of any examination, investigation or enquiry;

(l) providing for the carrying out of work on land for the purpose of soil conservation; or

(m) subject to prompt payment of compensation for damage to buildings, economic trees or crops, providing for any authority or person to enter, survey or dig any land, or to lay, install or erect poles, cables, wires, pipes, or other conductors or structures on any land, in order to provide or maintain the supply or distribution of energy, fuel, water, sewage, telecommunication services or other public facilities or public utilities.
http://www.concourt.am/armenian/legal_resources/world_constitutions/constit/nigeria/nigeri-e.htm
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 4:24am On Jan 20, 2021
slicksly11:
Bro look link you post nah, nah repeat offender. In as much as I do not encourage breaking traffic rules, I think the Government ought to do more as regards enforcement... Fines, community service could come as 1st time offenders punishment, when it becomes a repeat offence u can feel free to even incarcerate that offender.

Also, it would be nice if all 1 way are properly labelled to avoid mistakes by people who do not know.
Actually, read both links, they are not all repeat offenders. First time drag racers in the US and dangerous drivers in Australia also had their cars crushed. Read both articles.

With regards to community service, fines and labelling, read my last post on this thread.
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 11:27pm On Jan 19, 2021
This is my 2019 post on this issue (it incorporates some of my previous posts).

This practice began with the Lagos Traffic Law of 2012.
http://www.nigeria-law.org/Legislation/Laws%20of%20the%20States/Lagos%20State/Lagos%20State%20Road%20Traffic%20Law%202012.pdf

1) Judicial processes: My opposition to the practice stemmed from the fact that the state authorities were auctioning vehicles without going through judicial processes. Vehicles were impounded, the Task Force waited for 2 months and then they auctioned the vehicles. These processes could obviously easily have been abused.

However, after several people went to court and successfully challenged the government’s practice of issuing fines and auctioning vehicles, the government modified the process and now they actually get a court order before auctioning the vehicles.

2) Harshness: Several people (including many Nairalanders) complained that the penalty was way too harsh. “How can you lose your car just because of a traffic offence?” they complained.

The government’s response was that road traffic offences were very serious issues and many people had lost their lives because of them. They said that fines do not work because many people see the fines as no big deal and they even break the law because they know that all they need to do is pay money. They also said that the constant devaluation of the naira ensures that fines are not a good deterrent.

It reminded me of what someone told me about a popular Lagos socialite. This man was very famous/infamous in the early 1990s and he was known for his extravagant displays of wealth. A friend told me that the man was also quite infamous in London too. He said that the man was fond of parking his Rolls Royce in no-parking zones and leaving the fine tucked beneath the windshield wiper.

This famous joke further illustrates the point.

A blonde walks into a bank in New York City and asks for the loan officer. She says she's going to Europe on business for two weeks and needs to borrow $5,000. The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so the blonde hands over the keys to a new Rolls Royce. The car is parked on the street in front of the bank; she has the title, and everything checks out. The bank agrees to accept the car as collateral for the loan. The bank's president and its officers all enjoy a good laugh at the blonde for using a $250,000 Rolls as collateral against a $5,000 loan. An employee of the bank then drives the Rolls into the bank's underground garage and parks it there. Two weeks later, the blonde returns and repays the $5,000 and the interest, which comes to $15.41. The loan officer says, "Miss, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely; but we are a little puzzled. We checked you out and found that you are a multimillionaire. What puzzles us is – why would you bother to borrow $5,000?" The blond replies....."Where else in New York City can I park my car for two weeks for only $15.41 and expect it to be there when I return?"
It was this same argument that played out in the early 2000s when the government decided that people that violated traffic laws must undergo psychiatric examination at their own expense.

3) Awareness: A lot of people complained that the government is only interested in making a profit from this practice. They say that government often changes the status of roads arbitrarily. For example, Ikoyi Club Road was once a two-way street, but it suddenly became a one-way street and the public was not informed of this change and many people ended up falling into LASTMA’s traps. People also complained that there were no signs to indicate that streets were one-way streets and to indicate the direction that cars should be travelling. They said that, even when there are signs, they are usually put in obscure positions where motorists would not easily see them (for example, a sign was eventually erected on Ikoyi Club Road, but it was erected right behind the branches of a tree, so motorists could not easily see it).

In response to these complaints, the Fashola administration published a list of one-way streets and also promised to erect signs to indicate which streets were one-way streets. This was done initially, but it was not sustained. A Nairalander created a thread so that people could list all the one-way streets in Lagos, as a means of warning people. https://www.nairaland.com/1019021/list-one-way-roads-lagos

Therefore, the justified criticism is that people could lose their vehicles simply because they went the wrong way down a street that they genuinely did not know was a one-way street.

4) Privilege: Some people complained about the people that they believed would be exempt from punishment. They said that bullion vans, danfo buses, personnel of the armed forces and the police and motorcades of government officials would not be punished for driving against the flow of traffic and that these people are the biggest offenders.

However, one of the first vehicles to be apprehended under the law was a bullion van.
Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck
https://www.nairaland.com/1054108/lagos-auction-seized-bullion-van

Danfo buses were also not immune.

Lagos Taskforce Police Impounds 20 Danfo Buses in June
https://allafrica.com/stories/201506291363.html


And Governor Fashola famously arrested military officials that were driving on the BRT lane or driving against the flow of traffic.

The major bone of contention was the motorcades of other state governors and Federal Government officials. The Lagos State Traffic Law 2012 regulates the use of sirens and flashing lights in Lagos and one of the reasons for the inclusion of that section is this horrifying incident between the motorcade of the Imo State governor and a woman and her two little kids on Kingsway Road in Lagos.
https://www.nairaland.com/113341/woman-beaten-up-convoy-front
https://www.nairaland.com/114714/power-drunk-governor-irresponsible-mother
https://www.nairaland.com/136829/indecent-assault-mrs-udoudo-imo

Governor Fashola issued a warning to visiting government officials that they must obey the traffic law, but, of course, this was never enforced.
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 11:17pm On Jan 19, 2021
Shokoloko:
Perfect. Thank you
I remember quite well that the penalty was introduced in the Lagos State Traffic Law 2012 and it's been in all Lagos State traffic laws since then. Check section 7.

https://laws.lawnigeria.com/2018/04/30/lagos-state-road-traffic-law-2012/
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 11:11pm On Jan 19, 2021
Shokoloko:
No state was mentioned, so I will assume that should be for the whole of Nigeria, but this is the one for Lagos
This is the Lagos State Transport Reform Law (2020). Read the whole of section 66.

https://laws.lawnigeria.com/2020/05/04/lagos-state-transport-sector-reform-law/
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 10:57pm On Jan 19, 2021
Shokoloko:
Correct me if the penalty has been updated
What state is that?
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 9:53pm On Jan 19, 2021
Massive traffic jam in China, but nobody is driving against the flow of traffic. Traffic jams are not an excuse.

[img]http://naijachronicles.files./2021/01/china-traffic.gif?w=246&zoom=2[/img]
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 8:33pm On Jan 19, 2021
Beremx:
Don’t tell me people follow one-way on Third Mainland Bridge. Really?
LASTMA's General Manager caught these ones driving against traffic on Third Mainland Bridge last week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEKOuFGMrc
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 8:19pm On Jan 19, 2021
plaindealer:
Thank you.

Some Nigerians are just too lawless for their own good, they go to other countries and obey their laws, but never in Nigeria because Nigeria is their jungle where they get to do whatever they want, disobey laws as much as they want then turn around to shout and yell that other countries are better than Nigeria.

Very mind bugling.
Anyone caught driving against the flow of traffic on Third Mainland Bridge should have his car crushed and he should be forced to pay the cost of crushing it.
Politics › Re: You Are A Thief - DJ Switch Slams Lagos State Government by naptu2: 8:11pm On Jan 19, 2021
In "saner climes" like Australia, not only is the car impounded, but it is crushed.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/police-resume-car-crushing-in-a-bid-to-deter-dangerous-drivers-and-repeat-offenders/news-story/a11806dccd86ec5198bbfe14d7b8db09

This also happens in the United States.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna19339955


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T2YamA2h28


Auctioning the cars gives crazy people the chance to buy back their cars.
Health › Re: Sanwo-Olu: Any Malaria-Like Symptoms Should Be Considered To Be COVID-19 by naptu2: 6:31pm On Jan 19, 2021
Standards have drastically fallen on Nairaland. It's no longer what it used to be.

Smh.
Health › Re: Sanwo-Olu: Any Malaria-Like Symptoms Should Be Considered To Be COVID-19 by naptu2: 6:20pm On Jan 19, 2021
Luckydubby7:
So if I have malaria, I have to carry out covid first?
But before covid19 there was malaria.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Before malaria there was ringworm.

grin grin grin
Health › Re: Sanwo-Olu: Any Malaria-Like Symptoms Should Be Considered To Be COVID-19 by naptu2:
Samunique:
Hahahahahaha grin

So all the figures you people have been rolling out are mostly malaria related ?
Enugupikin:
No wonder they were rolling out more cases
Ndị ara
Luckydubby7:
Before nkor, were not all malaria patients treated as covid19.
So, some people are surprised that Nigeria version of covid19 is malaria typhoid.
Iyajelili:
Maybe his doctor wife told him that or he recently got an MBBS degree.
SpatialKing:
Most useless, dull, zero intelligent Governor in Nigeria..

How would you treat Malaria as COVID-19?
They are two different entities

So people with malaria should be transferred to isolation centres
naptu2:
What he said is so simple and easy to understand.

COVID-19 is spreading rapidly and some people that have it need immediate care in order to save their lives. Therefore, early detection is important.


If someone presents with fever symptoms, assume that he has COVID-19, take all safety precautions and test him to remove all doubts.


He did not say include malaria patients in the statistics of people that have COVID-19, neither did he say that people that actually have malaria should be treated for COVID-19.

In any case, a person that is tested for COVID-19 and tests negative will not be included in the list of people that have positive results.
Health › Re: Sanwo-Olu: Any Malaria-Like Symptoms Should Be Considered To Be COVID-19 by naptu2: 6:01pm On Jan 19, 2021
Samunique:
[/quote][quote author=naptu2 post=98229170]What he said is so simple and easy to understand.

COVID-19 is spreading rapidly and some people that have it need immediate care in order to save their lives. Therefore, early detection is important.


If someone presents with fever symptoms, assume that he has COVID-19 and test him to remove all doubts.


He did not say include malaria patients in the statistics of people that have COVID-19, neither did he say that people that actually have malaria should be treated for COVID-19.

In any case, a person that is tested for COVID-19 and tests negative will not be included in the list of people that have positive results.
Health › Re: Sanwo-Olu: Any Malaria-Like Symptoms Should Be Considered To Be COVID-19 by naptu2:
What he said is so simple and easy to understand.

COVID-19 is spreading rapidly and some people that have it need immediate care in order to save their lives. Therefore, early detection is important.


If someone presents with fever symptoms, assume that he has COVID-19, take all safety precautions and test him to remove all doubts.


He did not say include malaria patients in the statistics of people that have COVID-19, neither did he say that people that actually have malaria should be treated for COVID-19.

In any case, a person that is tested for COVID-19 and tests negative will not be included in the list of people that have positive results.
Health › Re: Sanwo-Olu: Any Malaria-Like Symptoms Should Be Considered To Be COVID-19 by naptu2: 5:50pm On Jan 19, 2021
Samunique:
Hahahahahaha grin

So all the figures you people have been rolling out are mostly malaria related ?
Enugupikin:
No wonder they were rolling out more cases
Ndị ara
Luckydubby7:
Before nkor, were not all malaria patients treated as covid19.
So, some people are surprised that Nigeria version of covid19 is malaria typhoid.
Iyajelili:
Maybe his doctor wife told him that or he recently got an MBBS degree.
SpatialKing:
Most useless, dull, zero intelligent Governor in Nigeria..

How would you treat Malaria as COVID-19?
They are two different entities

So people with malaria should be transferred to isolation centres
grin grin grin

See them? Go school, them no gree. grin
Health › Re: Sanwo-Olu: Any Malaria-Like Symptoms Should Be Considered To Be COVID-19 by naptu2: 5:47pm On Jan 19, 2021
Let's see how many people will understand what he said.

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