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Drogba should stop trying to pass. He ruined the attack there and just strolled.

Ivanovic well done.

Drog shoulda scored that.

Here we go.

dipo2much:
at the end of today, Arsenal FC of england will be toppin the league. Chelski to lose 2-1 to birminham. Watch this space

You must feeling like a genius now. Even if Chelsea lose, Arsenal won't top.
So much for your prediction.

Yaaaaaayyyyy!!!

Goallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

dayokanu:
Ipadabo abija, American Faaji mi o ti lo.


Where are my band boys?

Here sir. What's the theme?

You've got to like when this happens to Arsenal. No feeling beats it.

Talksport reported today that JT will be back much earlier than expected.
Could be back for the Everton game.
Alex's surgery is postponed.

One prayer for tomorrow is that Ivanovic doesn't get booked.

Good news: Alex plays tomorrow.

5.

I just discovered Ivanovic has copped 4 yellow cards.
This just gets better and better.

Now lets educate the dunce from Ashburton.


They are not the same Witchboy, that's why the best you can come up with is "They go hand in hand" . .


E.g.
Wolves may decide to sign 30 players. 11 first team players, the next 11 being like for like potential replacements for the first 11 and 8 utility players who can each fill a number roles should injuries hit hard. For as long as the next 11 are only just about as good as the first, you cannot see them finishing higher than 13th on the table. Why? Because the quality in the players is absent.  However, do they have the depth to guarantee a 15th spot finish even if injuries hit badly. . . Yes! . . . Why? They've got 30.



On the other hand, Chelsea may sign 16 players - the best player in every position in the world and 5 high quality subs. They don't suffer injuries and go on to win the prem and Champions League. . Now how can they do that? . . . Quality!

Well if they had suffered major injuries, say 5 players out, would they have gone on to win the double? Absolutely not! . . why? Lack of depth.







Now the question is . . . How can any sane grown man after reading the illustration above come to a conclusion that depth and quality go hand in hand? I mean how elementary do we have to go sometimes to make men, grown enough to be Fathers, understand basic things?

nateevs:
Now watch this go into overdrive with another dunce from North London. . . . "It implies depth".

Don't say I didn't tell you folks! Well.

Hahaha . . . What have I told you guys about Witchboy?
I am being reminded that "quality" and "depth" mean exactly the same thing . . .


Now watch this go into overdrive with another dunce from North London. . . . "It implies depth".

Since the report that Roman offered Txiki Beguiristáin an offer he couldn't refuse to join Chelsea, Guillem Balague is reporting now that:


"After three fairly lengthy meetings recently between Chelsea and Txiki Beguiristáin, the plan for the former Barcelona sporting director to take on a role at Stamford Bridge has been put on hold. Initially, the idea had been for Beguiristáin to join Chelsea in January, but following negotiations, there are question marks over how quickly and to what extent Abramovich wishes to emulate FC Barcelona and revolutionise operations at the London club."

Witchboy is here with a lot of talk and no . . . . . . again!
Nateevs has never mentioned Chelsea's depth this season. Why didn't he ask me to defend it last season?
Well, it's witchboy

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Carllotti will have no option than to play Bruma at CB. It's the logical thing to do.
I might suffer a heart attack seeing PF at CB come weekend.

In other news, Ashley Cole is out of the England game tomorrow. It's not certain for now if he will be out of the Birmingham game.



In spite of all the gloom though, I am very confident of 3 pts away to Birmingham.

Breaking News: Alex out for 8 weeks.



This just gets better.

debosky:
^^ She's dropping a new album next month. . . .if you want VIP tickets to the launch I can hook you up.

Actually I don't believe the story. The subject is female and 39.

Well JT out for months. Now we got to show what we're made of. Whether it back fires or not, Carllotti's gotta draft Bruma in.
It does the kid no good anyway knowing Ferriera, a well known weak link in the back and a right is preferred over him.
So whichever way, we are toying with his confidence. I say there's nothing to lose now, throw the boy in now and let him get used to doing well.
He will either destroy things on a monumental level or become another JT that becomes difficult to leave of a starting line up.
Jose still can't play 90 mins. PF's got to fill in at right back so JB's got to come in.


Damn you Essien for copping a red card at this crucial moment.






Debo, never mind I'll tolerate your inadequacies. . You get mouth dey yap JT. . Any update on Sonia Tatar?

essential: Basic or indispensable; necessary

This means that removal of this element will result in a failure to accomplish the goal.

A headline can also be an/the essential element when it is understood that, by itself, the essential element is insufficient to make the whole. In this case, Obertan's goal winning the title is the headline, but without the goal, in the final game of the season, the title would have been lost so it was the essential as well.

Which I don't disagree with. For that reason I said, Peter and Paul got their awards "after the Arsenal game" is more appropriate to the circumstance because it takes into consideration "instantly" their previous achievements until that moment in time.

Also in recognition that the Arsenal game is "essential" (without the an/the for a moment) to the consequent awards, I accepted that yes, if they lost, they "might" not have won the awards.

Now this however is an insufficient platform to then argue that "DUE TO THE ARSENAL GAME" is a statement you intended to take the place of an "essential element" in the course of the won awards because clearly, it is not.

They won the awards "after the game" is very different from "DUE TO THE ARSENAL GAME". The former agrees that the game is "essential" . . The latter claims it is "the reason" they won.

With regard to 'an essential' versus 'the essential', this is a grey area and can only be valid when there is a time dependent 'final essential element'. In the cases of Carrol and West Brom, it makes no difference whether you use 'an' or 'the'. In the Obertan example, however, it was 'the' essential moment in that once all before it had occurred, this final moment sealed the outcome of winning the title.

The beauty of implied statements is that they can mean a million things so I'll give you that much.

Absolutely. . . You are the one not thinking straight. So if Obertan scores that final goal it will be "The defining moment" that eventually clinched the title. And you agree (from your post above ) that the game against Arsenal was not, in your own words, "a time dependent 'final essential element'" hence using statements that constrict us to defining "An/The essential" is in fact grossly inappropriate.

Therefore "DUE TO THE ARSENAL GAME", which definitely means "a time dependent 'final essential element'" is wrong and that throws your whole argument about implied statements in to the bin.

It was not an implied statement. It was a statement you hoped will send a message. Turns out overly ambiguous, and now you are hiding behind shadows of "The rules of the game" . .



Secondly, it is not the relevance of An/The. It's never been. That only came up when you tried to attach some credence to the Arsenal game, which by all means you should. What you don't get however, is that moments later you are "explaining" the importance of the Arsenal to the awards but your first statement said "DUE TO THE ARSENAL GAME". . .

Now any astute English learner has to flag this and then the An/The suddenly becomes necessary. Because you created both statements. You called the game at first "The Essential" (because of the DUE TO THE ARSENAL GAME) and went on to call it "An Essential" part for the award in a post later on. So na you dey use both. I am only helping you understand what you are saying.



Next time Debo, all you have to say is Carrol got a call up after the game against Arsenal not that he got a call up because of the Arsenal goal.

Also WBA got their awards after their game against Arsenal not they got their awards DUE TO THE ARSENAL GAME



Not get back to work and stop bothering me with bullsh.it.

I will do no such thing. In case you've forgotten, I am The man who invented Grammar (c)

Yeah you won't. That's because you are a fraud. 
You are on your last mile.

Most certainly? I don't agree - in my view, his performance against Arsenal was an essential element of his England call up. Performances against lesser teams were not sufficient to get him the berth. This is aptly illustrated by the lack of a call up for his striker partner Kevin Nolan who has scored the same number of goals in the league, but against lesser opposition.

Exactly what I have been saying all along. . . It was "an essential element" which I do not disagree with. . . Except you are now representing it as "THE" essential moment [/i]by using this statement.

[i]"Carrol’s goal against Arsenal got him an England call up."



You could easily have said what you wanted to say and even more by saying "Carrol's call up to the national team was confirmed after his goal against Arsenal".


And also "Osaze and Di Matteo were confirmed as best professionals in their respective fields for a said period, after their game against Arsenal."

This makes it look more plausible.




Now how about a good dose of contradiction: You used the Utd scenario earlier to justify your argument.

A team has performed well all season long, and in the final game of the season, wins 1-0 to seal the title. An headline is written saying 'Obertan's goal wins the title for Utd.


You were trying to argue here that the above statement is only a "headline" as we all know that Obertan's last goal didn't clinch the title but their previous points did. Hence the justification of using those statements.

Just a healine.

We can now see you few minutes later trying to explain to us that actually it wasn't what you meant, as WBA could have lost 5-0 and their people not won their awards; hence the Arsenal game was "THE" defining moment. Exactly what I was criticizing you about. So according to your new look, Obertan's goal was the defining moment.

So essentially we have gone from calling this "just a headline" to "THE ESEENTIAL ELEMENT"

Now you are looking for a shed in your desert.




While I don't disagree that they "may" not have won the awards if they had gone down, I can't agree that:

Careers have changed "due to that game" - beating Arsenal won Odemwingie and Di Matteo player and manager of the month awards


It's bollocks because this can conveniently mean that they were rubbish up until then, they put up a spirited performance against Arsenal and went on to win the awards.


Tell me Careers changed "after that game" [/i]and I will agree with you instantly. However, you can expect me to allow you get away with [i]"Due to that game"

team has performed well all season long, and in the final game of the season, wins 1-0 to seal the title. An headline is written saying 'Obertan's goal wins the title for Utd.

How convenient! You tried something simpler, yet you cannot understand it yourself.

The above statement depicts a scenario that would have prevented Utd winning the title if they hadn't scored (assuming they needed a win). Different scenario.
The same cannot be said of your crappy insinuation. Would Carrol have got the call up to the National Team even if he hadn't play against Arsenal?. . . Most certainly! So how the hell can you then justify equating both scenarios. . ?

What you have asserted is tantamount to Utd winning 3-0 o the last day of the season and clinching the title, then some dunce saying "Utd's 3rd goal clinches title" . . Then talking about headlines and imply this and imply that.


Your use of such statements can only come relevant when a specific event defines a moment in history. A moment where you can draw a line and attribute the consequent turn of events to that "specific moment" in time.

The same cannot be said about your catastrophic application . .


I can only also laugh at your Chamakh rants. Have you read what you posted. . . . ?

Carrol’s goal against Arsenal got him an England call up.

Careers have changed "due to that game" - beating Arsenal won Odemwingie and Di Matteo player and manager of the month awards




I want you to admit. . . I, Debosky, do solemly admit, that I overly goofed where I shouldn't have and with no sane reason to back up my erring, I say I am sorry.


Own up and stop behaving like a chump.

debosky:
^^

You lack the ability to read in between the lines - did I say that game alone was responsible? I would think someone of your level of intelligence would understand the implied meaning in my post. I over estimated you. 

Obviously one game doesn't get anyone an England call up, but scoring against a top team at home is a clear demonstration of the player's ability and would serve as a confirmation of what the coach had been thinking.

Trust Lateef to focus on the periphery (a riposte to hi falutin pointless claims made by him ab initio) and avoid the meat of the discourse.

You are a utter disgrace to all learners of English language. Don't give us some "implied" shitzo.
You are totally out of order and should be escorted out of this place. . .

What kind of "implied meaning" could we possibly infer from this ludicrous statement?

Carrol’s goal against Arsenal got him an England call up.


Are you on a sick bed? Have you suddenly gone insane?



What other implied statements could come out of this?

Careers have changed "due to that game" - beating Arsenal won Odemwingie and Di Matteo player and manager of the month awards





How dare you have a defence for this. Are you on cocaine? It's got nothing to do with me. It is yourself you have over estimated. Even Paris Hilton will tell you this without much ado. Be honourable and own up to a gross error man.

Careers have changed due to that game - beating Arsenal won Odemwingie and Di Matteo player and manager of the month awards. Carrol’s goal against Arsenal got him an England call up. Will Welbeck and Onuoha’s goals against Chelski amount to much for their careers? No.

This stupendous level of fraud can only be perpetuated in North London. So Odemwengie's performance and Matteo's likewise before and after the Arsenal game are hereby worthless. Only the Arsenal game gave them their respective awards of the month. Or how else do we explain "DUE TO THAT GAME" ?

Carroll's goal against Arsenal got him an England call up. I see. So it has nothing to do with his previous performances. It's not nothing to with his consistent form.

At one sudden moment in time Carroll was fortunate to be peeping through the key hole of the Newcastle dressing room door when Hutton saw him.

Hutton: Hi Mate, we are one player short. We need a striker, could you lend a hand?
Carroll: Sure. I bend pipes for a living so I should be able to kick a few asses out there.


Carroll then goes on to score a goal against Arsenal and is then called up to the National Team of England. . . .



 

ritchboy:
See this dunce. . . Maybe Lateef thinks the three newly promoted teams are automatically the worst teams in the league.

Newcastle thrashed this same Sunderland side you just got despoiled by 5-1 just a week ago and you are there mumbling bollocks.

When Chelsea's league title haul gets to double digits(something you might not witness in your lifetime), then maybe your opinion will be relevant. For now just stick to "my blood is blue".

Okay. They are not the worst teams. So it's fine to lose to them right?
Of Course, losing to any team is acceptable in North London, as long as you can find a perfect excuse.

debosky:
1. You're one to talk. . . .after failing to win the league title for 50 years, boosted by some exceptional spending that won't be feasible in the future to win a couple of titles, you feel confident to start spilling this type of nonsense?

2. You don't need any more - you're so full of high quality crap that it's spilling out of your mouth in bucket loads.

I remember this foolish talk not even a week ago:

3. Fast forward to today. . . .still set on the 'maximum' points right? And who ended 90 minutes (not 60) 3 goals down?  

4. Keep deciding who can/can't win the league and keep 'eyeing' points . . .while real points get put on the table.

1. Dude the exceptional spending had to be done to get us to a decent level. It's difficult for any team to break in without heavy spending. We are there and so all that talk is history. Nottingham Forest fans think they have more history than Chelsea. . . While that may count for a fantastic piece of adorable historical glory, it's now that matters. I can spill nonsense anyhow and any time I desire. "IF" you win the back, then hit us back. Until then STFU!!!


2. Success talk and consistency is what looks to Arsenal fans as crap. I am talking year in, year out stuff. How many times have I told you to prepare for a Chelsea white-wash? It happens time and again and the cycle continues. . . It sound crap to you because you know it's true.


3. We ended 90 mins 3-0 down. . . It's the talk of the nation. It's a big story for Newspapers. Everyone's writing and talking about it. All radio stations are talking about it. Every sports radio and TV stations all over the world is talking about it. Need I tell you why?

Ok. . Who talked about Arsenal losing to West Brom. . . ? No one. Everyone just goes about their business. Go figure and you understand the zone I am at.



4. When I say you cannot win the league, it's not about Chelsea. You have not seen me say Chelsea WILL win the league. However, I will say a billion times over you CANNOT win the league this year and probably not next year. You can't. I am sorry if it hurts but you CAN'T.

ritchboy:
Not nearly as amazing as this retarded statement of yours. . . If you cannot believe it, go and tell your spiritualist to investigate the matter.

Witchboy is here again with a lot of words no one can understand.
Perennial losers can't claim to have opinions, what's retarded about that?

A team that's lost to two newly promoted teams can't have an opinion. Simple as.

debosky:
What is amazing is that Cashley wanted an assist at all costs so he passed the ball to Wellbeck to score.  You couldn't make it up even if you wanted to. 

PS - I replied to your post on the match thread, you can read and respond at your leisure.

Saw your reply dude. I have a threshold of tolerance for crap. How much more do you want to feed me?

HNIC:
When we kept saying a few weeks ago that 5 points gap in November is nothing. . .
You guys kept telling us rubbish and behaving like you will win the EPL before Christmas
5 has become two in just one weekend.
Zenden dancing Galala at Stamford Bridge.
Generations unborn will relish that moment

You are chatting rubbish. This result did occur because you kept saying 5 points is nothing. If you read my posts well, it wasn't about 5 points. It was about Arsenal. I even said if you were 10 pts ahead, you still won't win the league. So where from the issue of 5 pts. You won't see me over at the Mancs thread talking about a 5pts gap.

5 months from now, you'll probably still be saying 5 pts is nothing. You always say that. It doesn't matter whether November or April, you can't win the league. You'll come to SB, get a humiliation and the cycle continues.

5 pts to 2pts. . . Who cares? Y'all will start blaming flappy-arm-ski for another howler. "Oh! We could have been 1 pt ahead of Chelsea now".

I cannot believe Arsenal fans have an opinion. It's amazing.