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Katsumoto: I believe there is a difference regionalism and regional integration. You need constitutional amendment for the former but not the latter. The latter is a pragmatic but legal way of circumventing the circus in Abuja.

Having said that, it is disappointing that the ACN is not pushing for regionalism/confederationsim through the NASS especially when Ohanezee is doing so.

Katsumoto, I appreciate your reasonableness in this matter. The disappointment you expressed is one of the reasons why I have been objecting these regionalism schemes announced by ACN periodically. You'd think if they are truly serious, they'd be fully involved in the ongoing constitutional review process.

Lets hope Gbawe and other ACN goons will come and tell us why their leader Oju Yobo, has not lead them to making an agressive submitting to NASS? For the umpteenth time, let it be known that ndu_chucks is not opposed to SW Regional Economic Integration or any form of economic cooperation between states.

redsun: Tinubu's dealings with the lagos state government as regards collection of taxes should be thoroughly probed.What made him the right person to be trusted with the people's earnings?What did he stand to gain?And how fairs is it to the system?

What are the true statistics of tax collections in lagos?

What's the matter with you? This Oju Yobo's tax collection company is very efficient and it helps Lagos State with the collection of approx N300billion per year. Is a 10% compensation to the said company unreasonable? Do you not see that all SW states will enjoy higher tax revenues once SW Regionalization is complete? Would it not be better for the said company to gain N1trillion per year instead of ordinary N30billion per year?

We are not even talking about good toll roads throughout the new SW region. Good people and good companies, preferably owned by the usual suspects, outright or by proxy, will oun all the associated concessions.

Abeg make we hear word.

Gbawe: Indeed. For the sake of simplicity, regional integration is about destroying the egotism and bureaucracy in our politics that impedes the progress of those who live within a region - wherever they may be from originally. That is a concept cosmopolitan, equitable and exposed folks would appreciate.

Why should we fight each other to a standstill and reduce everything to partisan "them against us" grandstanding? If lagos needs land for agriculture, because it is too urban yet has the capacity and finance to aid food security, why should Osun, Ogun or any Nigerian State not oblige if they have land to spare?

If some transport corridors that improves trade and aid economic growth, via the efficient movement of goods and people, can be improved through regional cooperation, why not make it happen ASAP instead of waiting on an indolent and irresponsible FG that shows no sign of getting its act together anytime soon?

We have to begin seeing what matters otherwise Nigeria is doomed and those who are fans of gradualism , because it helps them to keep issues "business as usual", will continue to win.

You are beginning to sound like a unserious joker. If you people indeed believe in Regionalism and more importantly, the rule of law, then you should be pushing for Regionalism through constitutional means. Did you even read the submission made by Ohaneze to NASS constitution review commitee in the link I posted in my previous post? Your laziness and hidden agenda will not allow you to see that everything you are ranting about here, is supported in that submission. If you people are serious, you would make your own submissions or throw your support behind Ohaneze's submission to NASS. In the end, we may move closer to Regionalism if enough pressure is applied to NASS.

Why are you all afraid to follow laid down processes and rules? As I told you earlier, those who try to subvert the constitution of the great nation of Nigeria in any form of cowardly act, including treasonable acts of forming unconstitutional alliances, will face the full force of law (and the great Nigerian Army if necessary).

Your homework: Read Ohaneze's Submission To NASS here

Gbawe: @Ndu Chucks.

Like Naijababe told you already, calling everyone who disagrees with you "ACN people" and "goons" is lame and tired. I won't even go into how patently senseless and disrespectful that line of thinking is when the issue under discussion concerns a popular initiative embraced by many. regarding regional integration, Yorubas have displayed maturity with how even non-political intellectuals and technocrats are contributing input. Perhaps this is what you are afraid of. I.e an idea that , popularly supported, may introduce a seismic departure from how everyone endures lamely, year in year out, with our woeful federal structure concentrating power inordinately in the center and enriching a few while condemning the majority to wretchedness.

If you want to get more out of life, use logic more and reject emotions and sentiments that make you miss what is obvious. As I have told you before, and using this thread as a statistical sample group, how many Yorubas who have spoken here are against regional integration? The acceptance of an idea by stakeholders themselves would be the cue for a respectful, democratic and intelligent non-stakeholder to butt out and refrain from attempting to dictate to other adults over their affairs.

Whether you like it or not, regional integration is now a fully-fledged initiative that may present the SW and indeed other regions a way out of the morass our deliberately regressive federal structure constitutes. You may be afraid of some perceived threat to the status quo but you should accept that Nigeria cannot exist in a vacuum. Soon, folks will gain the sophistication that will make them demand a better deal that provides a dignified existence for the majority rather than what currently obtains. Folks like you, if not myopic and totally petrified about change, should welcome initiatives like this that can lower the increasing pressure of the Nigerian pot which may eventually manifest in Nigeria's own "Arab spring".

I have come to expect the kind of epistle you spewed above, as a response, instead of one or two sentences to articulate your thoughts.

As I told you several times before, I believe that we, as a country, will benefit more from a regional scheme as opposed to what currently obtains in the country. We have a young democracy which we need to nurture/develop and ALL hands must be on deck to do this.

We have a constitution, albeit, imperfect, which we are all bound by, and which we must respect. What civilized people do is to work within their systems to modify their constitutions and to continue to make positive amendments to them.

We have a constitution review committee setup in NASS, which is currently receiving submissions from various stake holders. The NASS will ultimately come up with amendments to the constitution...etc etc.

Up till this morning, this committee has not received a single submission from interest groups in the SW which calls for, or suggests a road map for regionalism. Yet you people are talking about regional integration as opposed to regional economic integration - this is a slap in the face of the constitutional process. It is this kind of political rascality which makes some of us believe that you have latent agendas. Your actions make it difficult to trust you people as partners, in the nation building process.

Even our people in the SE who continue to romanticize the concept of biafra, made a submission to the NASS Committee On Nigerian Constitution Review this past July. Copy of Submission

To Gbawe and other ACN goons, where is your own submission The great SW leaders of old, including Awo and Akintola, worked within the system, but the current crop of leaders lead by Oju Yobo, with the exception of a few, appear to be only after a SW, which maintains their statuses as multi billionaires. Duk Barawo banza

It suffices here to state that, those who try to subvert the constitution of the great nation of Nigeria in any form of cowardly act, including treasonable acts of forming unconstitutional alliances, will face the full force of law (and the great Nigerian Army if necessary).

@i8millar, iwo ke? Ma a deal pelu yin tonight. Let me sort out this small power, generator related issue and I shall return shortly.

Aje ni yin, won ti send Awon egbe to take light. Mumu

How in the world did I get entangled with these two Yoruba babes who only know how to fight dirty?

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@Katsumoto, I am free to single out ACN or any other party for criticism. If you can poke holes in the cogent criticisms, go for it. I'd suggest that you start a thread to criticize any party you wish or do so here.

i8millar: Faint for you?! Kini yi ma npataki ara e ke!

Imma kick your sorry a/rse like I did on the other thread and you are going to scurry away like the effing rodent

O ma se o. So na ya eye be dis? You ate millar ko? Awon baby yi o ni kpa mi.

Desola: In that case, Goofluck as a president is not democratic, Obasanjo, Yaradua and Shagari were never democratically elected seeing that none of these elections were ever 'free and fair' devoid of rigging. As a matter of fact, Nigeria's existence is undemocratic because Awolowo never accepted its creation but the creation was imposed by Azikwe!!

It is sheer laziness to try to perpetuate a process which desperately needs improvement. No one will improve the system but you, reject imposition of candidates, in your neck of the woods. Espouse real democracy!!

dayokanu: It was only ACN that imposed candidates.

People had the choice between the imposed ACN and the democratically elected other parties and they chose ACN even with the imposition

dayokano, stop trying to defend the indefensible. Imposed candidates couples with rigging is no democracy.

It looks like my dear naijababe is already fainting even before I lift a finger. robot ti she e ni egungun

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Desola, Desola, Desola, emi ko le ba obirin ja o. Ti o ba nice, ma a send kiss kan si e.

I refuse to flog babes. shi kena. stop tempting me sha.

Dede1: You sure know that Ndigbo are very proud of their daughters especially when such individual tends to compete with their male counterparts in certain areas of human endeavor. I guess you have wasted an Internet bandwidth with your trolling about senseless criticism of Ogugua88 because she is smart. If there is one thing Igbo person cherishes very much, it is the essence of having smart and intelligent daughters.

Then why don't you people let her be I'm sure in your Abriba village, you show how much you cherish your intelligent daughters by making sure that you keep then silent and subservient. People like you will never even raise a finger to treat your women to breakfast in bed, because you are too much of a "man" to do so. dolo

naijababe: I dunno why folks think they can peddle idle gossip as facts? Who are these people in Ogun state who want Ijebu state?! And labelling anyone who disagrees with you as 'ACN people' is getting rather tired. I couldn't give two phucks about ACN, I am Yoruba and all I'm interested in is the advancement and progress of my people. If ACN delivers that, then I am very happy to be 'ACN people'.

Just so you know, we are very happy to let our elites select our leaders, if only your PDP led FG would keep their grubby noses away and let us do it more often. Mtcheww!!! Oponu afofun gbemu

Good to know that you are not one of those obseesed ACN goons. Over 50 applications for new states in Ijebu state by various interest groups there, was received by NASS. I am almost convinced that you are not from Ijebu, so butt out of their wishes. What da heck is afofun gbemu, are you sure you are even Yoruba sef? Speaking Aganyi language is not speaking Yoruba. Ara Ghana.

Dede1: I guess it is your stream of thought on this discussion that should be regarded as chauvinistic and goofy. It is very shameful that a person with average intellect such as you would stoop so low to brand individuals who did not agree with Ogugua88 as chauvinist simply because the aforementioned poster appeared to be a lady. I wonder what would have been your plank of argument if the poster is physically impaired.

Aru o na-aya gi? The answer is an emphatic Yes.

You people are not used to being outsmarted, outreasoned, by a lady so you go off on your seseless criticisms of your Eze nwanyi. I have news for you, a female governor will probably be the governor that will bails you out of your misery.

Kobojunkie: um . . . 3-6 storey buildings are not skyscrapers.

And as far as I know, many of the towns and cities in Nigeria do not have restrictions on how high up the buildings can go like places in Cairo, so I don't see the sense in bringing Cairo into this.

Welcome back, we missed you.

I'm glad to inform you that the Ribadu committee has completed its job.

naijababe: Aboki, please quit the propaganda! You were spewing this sh/it on the other thread and even went as far as saying Ijebus were marginalized; I presented you with facts to the contrary and you ran off only to come back with some sh/it map that you and more masters designed.

I am from Ogun State, we don't want Ijebu state, who ever does not like it can always pop some gamalin. I don't know why some folks get an e/rection over matters that does not concern them.

I hope you know that Aboki means friend - at least we are making some progress. Who are the "we" that do not want Ijebu state? A vast majority of Ijebus want that state, but I understand your stance because you people in ACN do not believe in the voice of the people and your elite selects your leaders instead of electing them.

Desola: You are clearly not very bright and it appears that you spew garbage just for the sake of it. The voters had a choice to either stay at home or go out to perform their civic/constitutional duties. Furthermore, they had a choice to vote the ACN or PDP or any other political party but they chose ACN, warts and all. Saying the poeple's votes were useless is a slap and an utter insult on the intelligence of my people. Clearly, you know nought of the term 'democracy' you keep bandying about on this thread. You are not against regional economic integration, yet you are crying blue murder that it is unconstitutional? You clearly can't tell your right from wrong and know fuc.kole about the constitution of the country.

It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool rather than opening your gob and removing all reasonable doubt. Ndu_chuks - you are a fool!

Where did I voice any opposition for regional economic cooperation or integration. Abi you are a blind bat who can't read ni? Why do you people keep removing the word "economic" from the phrase when you refer to it? Desola, I am on my last nerve with you and will give you the Gbawe treatment if you continue to oppose me. mo ti warn e niyen!

It appears as if eran iya ni awon babes yi.

@Gbawe, I will respond to your post soon but you may not be very happy with your Oga when i'm done.

PointB: My friend sharrap. No one needs your hypocritical inanity in this place, aboki. Rather than find a middle ground you prefer to place one above the other. The same frailty you accuse others of. I wonder why some of this half-bred fulanis will not allow Igbos to sort out this issues their own way.

What middleground are you looking for olodo? Your people shamelessly ganged up on a lady because of her independence of thought and you are looking for middle ground? That's the typical response to be expected of a chauvinist.

Before you waste any more time on this, try to raise ordinary N1,000,000 among yourselves for initial startup. If you don't succeed in doing this within weeks, then forget about this movement. Without proved funding mechanisms in place, your proposal is dead on arrival.

Desola: Though the claim of the undemocratic manner in which the ACN candidates were selected might be difficult to refute, it is rather disingenuous and sinister of you to say that the eventual emergence of the governors or representative was as a result of imposition by the godfather of the ACN. Yoruba people went out to the polls and genuinely cast their votes for those who ended up in the public offices and in giving the representatives and governors their mandate, they are in effect agreeing to their policies which the economic integration happens to be one. Except of course you are saying that the ACN should have sought a referendum for the people to decide what is obviously in their own best interest. Regional economic integration is no doubt a great initiative except for people like you who believe in the status quo. Awolowo proved it to be the best way to go and we would continue with that legacy whether some quaters in Nigeria want it or not.

Desola, when people went to the polls and voted, they did not have a say whatsoever in who was presented to them for obvious reasons. The votes cast were essentially useless and you know it. You also need to learn how to read. I do not object to any regional economic cooperation between states and even regions, unfortunately, that is not what you people are talking about.

Desola: Though the claim of the undemocratic manner in which the ACN candidates were selected might be difficult to refute, it is rather disingenuous and sinister of you to say that the eventual emergence of the governors or representative was as a result of imposition by the godfather of the ACN. Yoruba people went out to the polls and genuinely cast their votes for those who ended up in the public offices and in giving the representatives and governors their mandate, they are in effect agreeing to their policies which the economic integration happens to be one. Except of course you are saying that the ACN should have sought a referendum for the people to decide what is obviously in their own best interest. Regional economic integration is no doubt a great initiative except for people like you who believe in the status quo. Awolowo proved it to be the best way to go and we would continue with that legacy whether some quaters in Nigeria want it or not.

Desola, when people went to the polls and voted, they did not have a say whatsoever in who was presented to them for obvious reasons. The votes cast were essentially useless and you know it. You also need to learn how to read. I do not object to any regional economic cooperation between states and even regions, unfortunately, that is not what you people are talking about.

To be honest, i didn't know that real Press people follow this site. They've actually reported on this nairalander Seamah's thread.

See the story

ebere1712: Ezenwanyi that insults her own people. An Nigerian Apologist, that find no fault in the inceasant stupidty in the shit hole called Nigeria but finds everything wrong with people's determination to have their own independent state. That woman is on her own.

The typical male chauvinism of Africans, in this case, those of the Igbo extraction, is preventing you people from accepting that there exists a babe amongst you, Ogugua88, who is your Eze elect and is also a babe who is more intelligent than you many of you boys. You "males" display a disgraceful effeminate emotionalism typically expected from teenage gals. dolos

Gbawe: Funny character this Ndu chucks. He should confess his motivation because his blanket objection to everything the SW plans/proposes these days is looking ridiculous regarding the obvious lack of objectivity. He comes across as a supporter of gradualism and a fan of a strong center who is afraid of change - as to be expected when one leans that way politically.

You are not known to make your points with lies and you don't have to resort to them to butress any point you want to make. This claim of yours that I issue blanket objections to everything the SW plans is a bold face lie at best. The problem with some of you ACN/Tinubu goons is that you believe that any ACN/Tinubu based interest in the southwest is always the best for the region. That kind of thinking and the anti democratic manner with which ACN candidates are annointed, is anti democratic and almost criminal.

Some of us with the best interest of greater Nigeria at heart will continue to check your excesses whether you like it or not.
Whose agenda is this SW integration? Were the SW people consulted throught their non-existent ACN reps? - we all know that the ACN Governors and Legislators were selected and ordained

How dare some of you deem the wishes of SWers who want their own state as narrow minded? Gbawe and other ACN goons, wake up and smell the coffee. More people are onto your shenanigans than you'll like to believe.

Slowly but surely, we shall practice democracy in Nigeria, your brand of democracy which makes milti billionaires out of your godfathers is being nullified by the likes of Mimiko and others.

lt is actually quite offensive to continue to call this scheme Regional Integration, instead of Regional Economic Integration. If you people have latent plans of leaving the union, be bold and say so. In the meantime, the SW will definitely get 2 more states according to my reliable sources.

Political rregionalism should only be pursued constitutionally. Those who try to do so outside of the constitution will not be spared by the law, and if need be, JTF. Nuff said.

Behold, the primary reason why Nigeria will remain ONE - the great offemmanu/Yamiri enmity in full glare.

Very good.What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Has anyone talked to TY Danjuma about this killing?

PapaBrowne: Without question, one of the best performing ministries in this administration is the Agriculture ministry.
Another fact is that this (Adesina) is the best Agriculture minister Nigeria has produced till date.

In time past, 90% of the Agriculture Ministry's budgets and functions were focused on sharing fertilizers- a very pathetic reality that created powerful cartels whose only function was to get the products at highly subsidized prices and sell back to farmers at market rates.

With this admistration, focus has shifted to every other previously neglected areas from improved seedlings, reduced wastages, better access to markets, etc with a view of impacting the entire value chain.

The whole idea is to move from Agriculture to Agribusiness- a situation where food production is seen as a business with money to be made from it as against the current status where food production is a culture engaged in by those who seek to protect the heritage(Farming, Grazing,Fishing) that has been passed down from previous generations.

We are in a new era. One that beckons on me and you and every other entrepreneur out there to go back to the village and convert those huge swaths of forests into fruitful harvests that would feed Nigeria, Africa and the rest of the world!

As per the article, the writer should begin to think himself as a businessman and not just an ordinary farmer. A businessman would go any length to obtain the fertilizer he needs for his farm. That way a real market would be created and people would seek to satisfy the market and a glut would form and prices would drop!! Its time to apply progressive rules of engagement. Lets stop expecting handouts.

^^^+1000%

Yes indeed. There are enormous opportunities for individuals and corporations in Agric/Agribusiness, in Nigeria, and GEJ's administration is currently doing a lot to make the associated business and investment environment very attractive.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns]If you want to dig that deep into it I am happy to share that the brain itself has zero reference at time of birth and the action of the individual through the material world is directed , with growing age, from an external reference point.

In contrast or in counter-balance (paired and opposite), an inner intuition guides the individual's feel through the metaphysical. I should not bore you or anyone with it but this aspect of human make-up is well documented in anthroposophy. The will, not the brain, contains the human endowment for making choices and every living human is credentialed to live his/her will.

I hope you will broaden your understanding of human nature and begin to respond to human needs from your heart, as opposed to giving a text book speech from your brain.[/quote]It is interesting that you actually believe that Anthroposophy well documents the idea that “an inner intuition guides the individual’s feel through the metaphysical”. The founder of Anthroposophy, Rudolf Steiner, thought of his Anthroposophy as a "spiritual science." He taught that there is a kind of spiritual perception that works independently of the body and the bodily senses.

Pray tell, how did you and other Anthroposophists, document this “spiritual science” or the concept that the will and not the brain “contains the human endowment for making choices and every living human is credentialed to live his/her will”

The truth is, this is just another theoretical gobbledygook with no scientific or even non-scientific basis for its acceptance.

The idea that there exists a physical or non physical part of humans called the will, or the “heart” which is responsible for the choices made by man, and that the will/heart is solely responsible for this, and not the brain, as you stated, is another boldface lie.

FYI: The heart is nothing but a pump, which works just like your ordinary water pump in a water treatment plant. Like the said pump, if it is primed daily, its efficiency improves and it lasts longer – this is why we are told to exercise (prime the heart) so that we can live longer.

Feelings, choices, e.t.c. have absolutely nothing to do with the heart. This is the reason why the first words to come out of the mouths of people who have just received heart transplants, to their spouses, is “I love you”. You see, the brain was not replaced so the love remains. Secondly, even when all organs of the body are still fully functional but the brain is not (brain death), it becomes impossible to love, to feel, make choices, and have free will.

Again, if we are to take your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, all prisoners should be released, ASAP. Their crimes were not their faults; after all, these criminals had no say whatsoever on the composition of their genome or brain design.


I will respond to the rest of your post later.

Dede1: It does take away something from article especially when it referred Vice-Admiral Dele Joseph Ezeoba as the first Igbo Chief of Naval Staff. In future, average Nigerians will argue that President Jonathan also appointed first Igbo CONS. I have read such rubbish on this forum.

The point is, an Igboman has occupied that position.