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Drusilla,

I'm very much aware of the history of anti-semitism. I have studied it quite extensively. I could give you a chronology on how the theological anti-judaism slowly changed into a racist anti-semitism. The antagonism between Jews and Christians over who owned the correct interpretation of God's message has been there even before the destruction of the Temple. Rabbinical Judaism always rejected the Christian claims on the Torah and the idea that Jesus' life and works were prophecy fulfilled. The authority of the Church was always in doubt as long as there were Jews present in Europe.

The Da Vinci Code is not about a Jewish world conspiracy
The Da Vinci Code is not about white people being the true children of God
The Da Vinci Code is not about the Priory of Sion keeping a secret from white people

The Da Vinci Code is about The Catholic Church keeping the true life history of Jesus hidden. It neither denies the Jewishness of Jesus nor tries to portray white people as the true childeren of God

Your connection with the r[i]eligion of Hitler[/i] simply does not exist

[quote author=m_smith01 link=topic=16781.msg466593#msg466593 date=1151945850]well thank's to all y'll for the reply and the comments, but come on guys i need the real stuff, all what u guys are doing here is argument.TELL ME THE FACT WAS JESUS EVER MARRIED?
THANK U[/quote]In the absence of evidence in either direction, we cannot possibly know. Maybe it's not the answer you're looking for, but it's the closest you're going to get.

Rottweiler:

Tit for tat. Anyway, I went over the top. My appologies.
Can you also address the issues instead of calling people names like sick, sexually perverted, deadbeat, shameful. Maybe a reasonable explanation as to why Jesus being married is so unconceivable?

For people like YOU, please note that the only reasonable explanation that Jesus did not get married is that the Bible did not/does not say so. Please get that into your thick atheist-infected skull. One more thing, Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ and not like your dad or your mum! I am not being insultive but only trying to let you know that since you can blaspheme our Saviour you can as well say rubbish about your parents! It tells a lot about you.

Mister Rottweiler,
Let me try to be very clear in my responses. It's clear from the tone of your reply that you suffer from a persecution complex. Do you honestly believe that the evil atheists are out there to get you? Do you feel that this in some way justifies the kind of personal attacks against us, evil atheists?
1. the only reasonable explanation that Jesus did not get married is that the Bible did not/does not say so is one of those glorious examples of projection. It seems that because you uncritically accept everything that is written down in the Bible, that I, as an atheist, must have the exact opposite reaction. You couldn't be further from the truth. When addressing historical claims, you use the methods of historical criticism to address these claims. You don't just accept them on blind faith. So where is the [b]evidence [/b]that Jesus did not get married?
2. get that into your thick atheist-infected skull. Insults seem to be en vogue these days. Can you come up with a coherent argument pro or contra the marital status of Jesus?
3. Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ and not like your dad or your mum! Quite obviously, he is not, as he is not the same person as either my dad or my mum. Do you assume that repeating the obvious could be considered an argument? Maybe you just want to stress the like part. If that is the case, please tell me in what way he is not like either my dad or my mum.
4. I am not being insultive. Maybe in your alternate reality stringing together insults and then adding a disclaimer I am not being insultive is not insultive. In mine it is.
5. blaspheme our Saviour . Please tell me what is blasphemous about what I have written? Is entertaining the possibility that Jesus could have been married a blasphemy nowadays?
6. you can as well say rubbish about your parents Projection at it's finest, you know my intensions, now?
7. It tells a lot about you Does it now? What exactly does you reading my hidden motives and intensions tell me about me?

Drusilla:
Nferyn,

Davinci code

The main conflict in the novel revolves around the solution to two mysteries:

The unraveling of the mystery requires the solution to a series of brain-teasers, including anagrams and number puzzles. The solution itself is found to be intimately connected with the possible location of the Holy Grail [/b]and to a mysterious society called [b]the Priory of Sion, as well as to the Knights Templar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code

Exactly, that's what the book is about. The Holy Grail and has been part of European mythology since the dark ages. It's part of so many cultural artifacts that it would be difficult to find anything that isn't related to it. The Knights Templar were supposed to have found the grail after the first crusade.

Drusilla:
Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln even incorporated the infamous anti-semitic tract known as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (spelling Zion with an S) into their story, [/b]concluding that it actually referred to the activities of the Priory. This they viewed as the most persuasive pieces of evidence for the existence and activities of the Priory of Sion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priory_of_Sion

I have read The Holy blood and the Holy Grail a long time ago and my memory is a bit rusty, but I can't remember that part. Anyway, it is really peripheral to the central thesis of the book.
Fact is that The Holy blood and the Holy Grail is just an ellaborate conspiracy theory, based on flimsy evidence. The evidence is even less reliable than that supporting a historical Jesus. All claims about this or another claim stating the real history of Jesus are just educated guesswork.

Drusilla:
[b]Hitler and the Protocols of the elders of zion

1920 January Gottfried zur Beek (Ludwig Müller von Hausen) publishes The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in German, the first documented non-Russian version. It is dated 1919, but is actually published in mid January. Thirty-three versions will be published in German by 1933. (Segel/Levy)

1939 November 3 Hitler suggests using The Protocols of the Elders of Zion abroad to demonstrate that the true instigators of the war are Jews and Freemasons. (Segel/Levy)

http://www.humanitas-international.org/holocaust/homepage.htm

Hitler and the Knight Templars

1932 February Jorg Lanz von Liebenfels writes a letter to a member of the (ONT) Order of the New Templars stating "Hitler is one of our pupils, you will one day experience that he, and through him we, will one day be victorious and develop a movement that makes the world tremble." (Ellic Howe; Roots)

http://www.humanitas-international.org/holocaust/homepage.htm

So? Your argument really doesn't hold any water:
Baignent and Leigh use The Protocols of the Elders of Sion as evidence for the existence of the Priory of Sion (spurious caim)
Hitler uses the Protocols as "evidence" [/i]of a Jewish world conspiracy
Dan Brown makes a historical claim bout the real history of Jesus based on [i]The Holy blood and the Holy Grail
Ergo
Dan Brown teaches Hitler's religion.

Drusilla:
Hitler and the Holy Grail

Hitler's Search for the Holy Grail

The program looks at the story of the SS-Ahnenerbe, the Nazi " Ancestral Heritage Society," founded in 1935 whose task according to Himmler was "to restore the German people to the everlasting godly cycle of ancestors, the living and the descendants." Their quest was to find the power objects from history and prove the myths of Atlantis, the Grail and an ancient German master race. Michael Wood explores how history was used as a political tool and how the theories of the Nazi historical department provided the ideology the SS used to justify genocide.

http://www.kued.org/whatson/series.cgi?nola1=HSHG&channel_id=1
http://www2.una.edu/dburton/hitler_search_for_the_Holy_Grail.htm

Yes, and that really links Dan Brown to Hitler, doesn't it?

mrlawng:
cheap attempts at self-validation by mentioning names, that doesnt count for much. Hmmmmh let me see, Who is the insultive one here? You speak of burning heretics at stake, that should ring closer to home for you, arent you european?
We live in the 21st century dude, Wake up.

Tit for tat. Anyway, I went over the top. My appologies.
Can you also address the issues instead of calling people names like sick, sexually perverted, deadbeat, shameful. Maybe a reasonable explanation as to why Jesus being married is so unconceivable?

mrlawng:
Nferyn like Seun the administrator, are on the other hand are "deadbeat", I bet he has to remind himself everyday he is real and alive. SHAMEFUL.

I haven't seen much reasoning [/i]on these subject by you, my dear mrlawng . I have had quite pleasant and thoughtful conversations on the topic with layi, nicetohave, 4get_me, mlks_baby and some others. We can agree to disagree, but your personal attacks are uncalled for. As a matter of fact, you seem to be the exact type of religious people that frighten me with your uncompromising, anti-intellectual and plainly bigotted views.

[i]edited: removed unnecessary insult

sunflower:
please does anyone about prince 2 and PMI exams in Nigeria, costs, where it is taken and where i can get materials on it. i'm hoping on going on a career change to project management from IT and i need help and advice soon. as my NYSC is ending in august.

Normally, you can only start the certification process if you already have relevant experience.

Drusilla,

You're the one claiming that

The Davinci code is teaching Hitler's religion.

It does nothing of that sort. If you apply the same logic you used, you could make the Black Churches guilty by association. The logic is fundamentally flawed.

Drusilla:

Honestly, you're talking nonsense. Have you read either the Da Vinci Code or The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail by Baignent and Leigh? If there's anybody teaching anti-semitism it's the Christian Churches, both the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant churches. Have you ever read martin Luther's anti-semitic polemic On the Jews and Their Lies? Have you ever read any of the the catholic diabetre against the Jews (e.g. Raymond Martini's Pugio Fidei)?

Nferyn,

When I spoke about Hitler and Jesus, the bible, Christians who believe the Two house and British Israelism thing and Martin Luther in my post, it was clear I was talking about Christian whites.

Whites who wanted their whiteness to be affirmed by God.
Whites who want white folks to be the true children of Jesus.

Yes and that has got nothing to do with the Da Vinci Code or Baignent and Leigh's book. You're grasping at straws.

Drusilla:

The racist ideologies of the Purity of the Blood have their roots firmly established in Christian history (Statute of Toledo, Spain, 1449).

Well, in European Christian history.

Very few Christian Churches today do not share that history.

Drusilla,

Honestly, you're talking nonsense. Have you read either the Da Vinci Code or The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail by Baignent and Leigh? If there's anybody teaching anti-semitism it's the Christian Churches, both the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant churches. Have you ever read martin Luther's anti-semitic polemic On the Jews and Their Lies? Have you ever read any of the the catholic diabetre against the Jews (e.g. Raymond Martini'[/i]s [i]Pugio Fidei)? The racist ideologies of the Purity of the Blood have their roots firmly established in Christian history (Statute of Toledo, Spain, 1449).

diddy4:
i bet you do not believe in the bible.

Do I have any reason to?

Impossible to know for sure. there are no reliable sources concerning the live of Jesus

zebudaya:
what's our inflation rate?

15.6 % in 2005

So unless you're depositing huge amounts of money, you can't even top the inflation rate, what a ripoff. No wonder so many rich Nigerians take their money abroad.

damygurl:
i meant college level CAlculusBC . thanx!

That's what they are, but it won't be comunity college leve (I'm trying to get into the US terminology )
I've uploaded elementary calculus here

[quote author=hot-angel link=topic=15983.msg462223#msg462223 date=1151700355]Ohh i get it now.

We are spose to help each other out here.

Nferyn, are those books e-books?[/quote]Yes they are. One of those things I downloaded a few months ago. I wished there was that amount of info to be found on the internet when I was studying, but alas

damygurl:
what about Calculus BC?

I have mathematics textbooks as well, but these too are university level (meaning for people who study mathematics at university) textbooks. Not easy stuff at all, but if you're interested, I can make it available.
The general scientific textbooks are much easier to follow and understand.

I can get you loads of handbooks in chemistry, biology, astronomy, physics (university level) as well as the major works of scientists such as Einstein, Hawkin, etc.

If interested, let me know and I'll put it on sendspace.

shango:
the theory of evolution is a scientific theory. like all scientific thoeries that are not laws it has holes.

What do you mean by holes? Is it not complete? Of course not, no theory is complete and a theory is never intended to be complete. A theory is an explanative [/b]framework for observed phenomena.

shango:
i never said theories where not held in high esteem by scientists, learn to read. And laws are held in higher regard to theories.

Who gave you that idea? A law is [b]descriptive, not explanatory, there is no pecking order between theory and law, they have entirely different functions.

shango:
Go read any introductory science book. The thoery of evolution does seek to explain the origin of species. read darwins work of the same name.

Among others, but it is not limited to that.

shango:
people try to reply to my facts by posting bs and irrelevant nonsense. the evolution thoery contains alot of facts like genetic mutations (which supports the idea that organisms might infact evolve, so does dna and genes and genetic processes) it does not state for a fact that evolution does occur hence it is still a THEORY. When such physical proof is shown it will become a LAW

Absolutely utter balony. You couldn't be further from the truth.

These links will provide you some background on the difference:
http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html
http://www.carlton.srsd119.ca/chemical/Proof/default.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_law

shango:
basic scientific methods illeterates

You shouldn't be so quick on the draw, as your understanding is far from accurate or complete.

shango:
and capitalistic society as we know it has huge problems and flaws. making money has inherent evils and is not neccessarily better than the barter system for example. the single minded viewpoints of post-colonial drones never ceases to amaze me.

And how is that relevant here?