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Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Tithing - Pastor Murphy Akpovi by nicemuyoo: 9:36pm On Dec 18, 2017

Abrahams tithe was a custom of the land over practiced back then. If you go on war and you are successful. You give a percentage commonly 10% of your spoil of wars to the king/ priest of the land or area where you live. It is a cultural practise of the land . Pagans do it too and That is a fact. Abraham did not tithe out is abundant profits as he was already blessed before giving a tithe of the spoils of war!
God order by law through Moses that ONLY 1% of the spoils of war should be given to the levites/ priest.
Tithing spoils of war and tithing your profit are two different things.
Abraham never tithe out of is personal profit.
Jesus, James, Paul, Peter never taught tithing or collected tithe. They mat have made reference to it while making or discussing another issue but no teaching on tithing Fact!
The support Paul was all about is helping travelling ministers not resident and stationary ones. Help them via donations for bare necessities not luxury!! And not via tithe. Only bare necessities so they are not impoverish . Paul said he would rather die than demand for provision from the church( bare necessities mind you). We are not like those that pedal the gospel of our lord. Are you a hiring doing it for return or you are a bride that does the work free out of a love for the bridegroom!!
This have been twisted today into tithe and exploitation which our saviour never commanded. Placing heavy burden on people like the Pharisee twisting the word of God saying if you make a vow to give to God you can fulfil that vow first even if it means neglecting your parents. So you nullify the word of God to sooth our own teachings. And Jesus said you do many other things like that! Jesus, Paul, James, Peter taught about given & donation, that has all been ignored by today's church, bringing back what was established in church in 777AD by other of roman emperor, which they have long abandoned in catholic and uk churches due to revolt/ riot by the population. Do you know the history? Do you research.
Lastly tithe as never used fortemple/ church maintenance as it is food and it is an ABOMINATION to use tithe for ANYTHING OTHER THAN FEED THE LEVITES AND LESS PREVILEGED.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by nicemuyoo: 1:12pm On Dec 18, 2017

No amount of scriptural truth would make you accept what Peter, Paul, James, early church believe on tithing. They never taught or accepted tithe.

petra1:
He is highpriest over our tithe ,offering,prayers and any work of service

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

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Christianity Etc › Re: 12 Reasons the Old Testament is not Abolished by nicemuyoo: 11:40pm On Dec 17, 2017*

Jesus lived under the law and obeyed the law to perfection. Thereby fufilling the law so became worthy of being the perfect
1. sacrificial lamb Passover lamb so any sacrificial laws ends
2. He suffered and paid for judgment against us by His blood / body so put an end to any judgemental laws given room for repentance eg commit adultery you are stoned to death as judgement.
3. He became the high priest of a new covenant a rectification of the old one so put an end to all Levitical priesthood and the law and ordinances associated with it. Giving direct access to God through faith in him.
Jesus did not abolish Moral laws. Moral laws are eternal. He magnified the moral laws and established it e.g. if you look lustfully at a woman you have already commited adultery.
Israel was meant to be a nation of priests, teaching the whole world about Yahweh moral laws but sin in wilderness changed God's plan.
The sin of the children of Isreal after they left Egypt gave rise to Levitical priesthood and other laws(harsh) in addition to the moral laws. Due to the follow reasons
1. They were a stiff neck people difficult to teaches e.g. Moses allowed you to divorce your wife because you where hard to teach Jesus said.
2. Harsh judgement against sin e.g. stoning to death so that people would be afraid and it serve as a strong warning to purge evil amongst the people.
3. The levites because of their zeal for God where selected to serve before him.

So Levitical priesthood was not meant to be and additional ceremonial laws and judgemental law were as a result of sin and unyielding of the people. They were meant to be a nation of priest obeying the moral laws. This was latter fufiled under the new covenant where all believer are priest and yahshua is the one HIGH PRIEST.
Yahshua did not abolish the law. It was only rectified. The laws are not Moses law they are the laws of Yahweh which consist of
1. Moral laws ( magnified )
2. Levitical and ceremonial laws ( ends)
3. Judgemental ( ends)
4. Sacrificial laws ( end)
5. Dietary laws ( for you own wellbeing)

Christianity Etc › Re: Freeze: I'm After Prosperity Pastors, Can't Find Muslim Cleric Private Jet Owner by nicemuyoo: 9:06pm On Dec 17, 2017

David had opportunity to kill Saul but he said God forbid I harm the anointed of the Lord. So he call out to him in the hearing of thousands of soldiers king Saul!! What have I done to you? Why hunt me down like an animal?, you have driven me from the land. God judge between us today!! This evil that you are doing to me!! He rebuked him sharply. Saul in the presence of all his men said , I am sorry I have done you evil, you have done nothing to deserve what wrong I have done to you pls forgive me.
He rebuked the anointed of God in public!!! But he did not harm him as he is anointed of God.
So you see how you people twist scriptures!!! When a man of God does something wrong he should be rebuked for it as Paul rebuked Peter in the hearing of other brethren!!!!!
You people just twist scriptures to sooth yourselves like the Pharisees did. That was the problem Jesus had with pastors and bishops of his time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Freeze: I'm After Prosperity Pastors, Can't Find Muslim Cleric Private Jet Owner by nicemuyoo: 9:03pm On Dec 17, 2017

cyndy1000:
Salvation is personal work out your own salvation. Judging all the pastors that is wealthy n owns private jets won't stop them from being pastors n people not paying tithe to them. leave it for God to Judge besides, the paying of tithes is compulsory is optional so people that are paying or giving huge offering are not complaining. The way you are taking these issue u might go exterme n some real annionted men of God speaking against them. David knew that sul was after his life but when he had the opportunity to kill him he didn't because he knew Saul carries God annoiting so ingnore them God will judge Everybody. serve your God, Face your career. All pastors will answer his creator on the last day.

Christianity Etc › Re: Freeze: I'm After Prosperity Pastors, Can't Find Muslim Cleric Private Jet Owner by nicemuyoo: 8:52pm On Dec 17, 2017

Christianity Etc › Re: Freeze: I'm After Prosperity Pastors, Can't Find Muslim Cleric Private Jet Owner by nicemuyoo: 8:51pm On Dec 17, 2017

evanso6226:
The things of God are things of the spirit, and not a thing of the senses, you are only being sensible.You have to be spiritual minded to discuss the things of God. Having a private jet...... is that your problem?

ANOTHER BOMBSHELL
Magu Is A Paranoid, Supremely Unqualified

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqYZ_vZEx_o

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing : Talk Is Cheap, Nigerians Are Just Stingy by nicemuyoo: 11:38am On Dec 17, 2017

spartan117:
The fact is that most ministries are funded just by a few Kingdom minded individuals who have sworn to advance God's Kingdom on earth with their finances, and God keeps pruning them and blessing these few individuals. 80% of ministry work is funded by less than 2% of Christian population I say this because I've been in a privileged position in my church and I know where the money that funds our programs actually come from, and i tell you it's not from #10 and #20 tithes and offerings

Christianity Etc › Re: Malachi 3 Is The Most Abused Tithing Text In The Bible. by nicemuyoo: 11:36am On Dec 17, 2017

petra1:
Wrong!
Malachi 3:8 was adressing the nation of isreal not priests from
Verse 7 the message was for the nation .and in verse 9 he mentioned who he was addressing

Malachi 3:8-9 (KJV)
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me.
But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee?
In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me,
even this whole nation.

Christianity Etc › Re: Malachi 3 Is The Most Abused Tithing Text In The Bible. by nicemuyoo: 11:35am On Dec 17, 2017

petra1:
ITS A SHAME . to all his followers and church haters especially some so called christians who betray the body of christ to satanic attacks like this unknowingly. I've never seen such manipulation of scriptures e.g. claiming abraham and jacob never tithed, malachi 3:8 was addressing priest and all manner of nonsense

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing : Talk Is Cheap, Nigerians Are Just Stingy by nicemuyoo: 11:19am On Dec 17, 2017

Deception needs to be exposed

AishaBuhari:
Stop attacking Pastors about Tithes, members willingly pay tithes without being forced! Hold responsible your leaders who forcefully make you pay tax!

I just hate the poor mentalities of Nigerians - Too poor as if they've got no brains.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing : Talk Is Cheap, Nigerians Are Just Stingy by nicemuyoo: 11:12am On Dec 17, 2017

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Tithing: The Scriptural Conclusion Pt2. Phd THESIS by nicemuyoo: 2:41pm On Dec 10

TITHING IS NOT A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE
Essay by Russell Earl Kelly, PHD
www.tithing-russkelly.com
January 31, 2015
Continuation...
9. HOLY AND MOST HOLY: The phrases, It is Holy to the LORD and It is Most Holy to the LORD do not make tithing an eternal moral principle. An eternal moral principle is one that is known by nature and conscience (Rom 18:1-20; 2:14-16; John 1:9). It does not require special revelation. Giving, worship-rest and 9 of the Ten Commandments are eternal moral principles because they are written in the heart; how much to give and which day to worship are not. Both the holy and most-holy phrases are very common in Leviticus. However, except for modern tithing, almost every other use of them has long ago been discarded by Christians. These phrases are used to describe all the festivals, the sacrificial offerings, the clean foods, the old covenant priests and the old covenant sanctuary. Especially read verses 28 and 29 in chapter 27.
While the tithe of the tithe (1%) which was given to the priests was the best of what the Levites received, the tithe which the Levites received was only one tenth and was not even the best (Lev 27:33). Yet most tithe-teachers refer to the tithe as the best and first ten per cent.
10. THE SECOND TITHE: Old Covenant Hebrews were clearly expected to bring a second tithe at their three annual feasts, or festivals (Deut. 12:6-7; 14:23). Distinct from the first tithe which was only for Levites and priests, this was to be eaten by all in the streets of Jerusalem. It did not go to the temple; its purpose was “that you may learn to fear the LORD always.” The first-born of the herds was in addition to this tithe (proof that first and tenth were different). This meant that the tithe was at least 20% instead of 10%. Yet most tithe-advocates do not teach 20% tithing.
11. THE THIRD TITHE: Old Covenant Hebrews were also commanded to keep a third tithe at home in their cities every third year (Deut. 14:28-29). This was an extra subsidy for Levites who were expected to be first in line among the poor (14:29). This meant a total tithe of around 23% instead of 10% (plus another 10% government tax (1 Sam. 8:14-17). Some teach that this replaced the 2nd festival tithe every third year. However, if this were true, there would be no food for the three yearly festivals. Again, it is obvious why this is not taught today.
12. FIRST-FRUITS: In God’s Word, firstfruits and firstborn are never the same thing as tithes. Firstfruits were the first wave-sheaf of the whole harvest, not the best (Lev. 23:10); in addition to the tithe, they were the “first offspring of your herds and flocks,” not the best (Deut. 12:7). Unlike the food-tithe, it was a very small token amount of the first crops harvested and was small enough to fit into a hand-held basket (Deut. 26:1-10). Firstfruits were a very small token offering -- like a handful of grapes or olives. And, like tithes, first-fruits and first-born were always only food from inside God’s holy land of Israel.
In Nehemiah 10:35-37a first-fruits and first-born offerings went directly to the Temple and were required to be totally consumed by ministering priests only inside the Temple. While the Levites ate only the tithe, the priests could also eat from the first-fruits, first-born offerings and other offerings. All of this is very clear from God’s Word.
In 1 Tim 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

First Timothy 5:8 is the new Spirit-taught "first." A Christian's first obligation is for the needs (not wants) of his/her immediate family. God wants you to make sure you can buy medicine, feed and shelter your family. Even the heathen do that (Rom 2:14-16). A Christian who neglects his/her family's necessities is worse than unbelievers. And a pastor who convinces Christians to give their first to the church to the neglect of caring for their own family is guilty of sin against God's cleat post-Calvary command.
Because the differences between firstfruits and tithes are so clear, one must conclude that educated tithe-teachers deliberately lie when they equate firstfruits with tithes! There is simply no honest excuse for this distortion of God’s Word. Yet almost all of them tell this lie. It is an outrage almost to the point of blasphemy and must stop!
13. THE COVENANT OF MALACHI: Tithing is nowhere commanded in the New Covenant (post-Calvary). The only covenants mentioned in Malachi are God’s special covenant with the Levitical priesthood (2:4-5) and the Old Covenant Law (4:4). The New Covenant was 0ver 400 years away (Jer. 31:31-37; Heb. 8:8-13). The New Covenant was truly “new”; it was not a re-statement of the Old. It was “… not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers” at Mount Sinai (Jer. 31:32; Heb. 8:9). The New Covenant did not include post-Calvary tithing to support a Levitical priesthood which was forbidden from owning property.
Tithe-teachers who preach tithing from Deuteronomy, Nehemiah, Malachi, Matthew and Luke ignore proper principles of interpretation, the covenant and the context of those books. Malachi is addressed to Old Covenant Israel and not to the Church (1:1). It is never quoted in the New Covenant (after Calvary) to validate tithing. In fact Malachi specifically reminds its readers of its context of the Law, “Remember the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments” (4:4) (also Neh. 10:28-29).
14. THE REAL GOD-ROBBERS OF MALACHI: The God-robbers of Malachi were actually the dishonest priests of Judah and not the general population. Beginning at Malachi 1:6 God addresses the dishonest ministers at the altar of Judah as “you”: “… unto you, O priests that despise my name.” Follow the pronoun “you”; it does not change in the remainder of Malachi. Priests offer polluted bread on the altar (1:7). Priests offer inferior animals for sacrifice (1:. Priests are in charge of the doors and starting sacrificial fires (1:10). Priests had better animals in their flocks received as tithes (1:14; Numb. 18:25-29). Priests were cursed (1:14). Priests are addressed again: “And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you” (2:1). The blessings of the priests are cursed (2:2). Priests had broken their special covenant with Levi (2:4-5). Priests had not taught God’s Law (2:6-10). Priests covered the altar with their tears (2:13). Priests had married Gentile wives (2:14-16). Priests mock God and ask why He had not judged them (2:17). God promises to punish the priests (3:1-7). Every priest in the nation has helped steal the tithes from the Levites (Neh 13:5-10). God curses the priests once again (1:14; 2:2; 3:9). Priests are told to return the stolen tithes (from Neh 13:5) back to the temple storerooms (3:10).
This contextual sequence makes sense because, contrary to what  most of us have been told, the ordinary people were to take their tithes, not to the temple, but to the Levitical cities where the vast majority of the Levites and priests needed them for food (Neh 10:37b). King Hezekiah discovered too late that the small storeroom in Solomon’s temple was far too small to hold the tithe of the nation and it piled up in the streets before being re-distributed to the Levitical cities (2 Chron 31:1-19) (1 Kings 6:6). This also perfectly explains Malachi 3:10.

15. TODAY’S TITHE-TEACHERS STEAL TITHES: Many gospel workers who receive “tithes” and teach that Christians must give the first ten per cent of their income are even more guilty of stealing from God. They chastise their own New Covenant Christian congregations: “If you are not paying your tithes, you are stealing from God. You are wearing stolen clothes, driving stolen cars and are living in stolen houses.”
Again the Bible says 12 times that those who received the first whole tithe were not allowed to own property. If these tithe-teachers connect post-Calvary stewardship to pre-Calvary tithing, they are guilty of stealing from God (1) by owning property, (2) by receiving other inheritances, (3) by sharing in the wealth of fellow believers (“have no part among them”), (4) by receiving more than the O.T. priests’ share of the tithe at 1% (Numb 18:20-28; Neh 10:37b-38) and (5) by equating first and tenth in order to squeeze government welfare checks from the poorest in their flock.
Receiving tithes did not mean that Old Covenant Levites and priests must have been full time and could not work other jobs. It only meant that they could not own property inside Israel. In fact it was necessary for them to learn and work other trades in order to build and maintain the sanctuary or temple (Numbers 3; 1 Chronicles 23-26). Most church historians document that even high priests in Jesus’ time also had and worked other vocations.
What remains? Preach the truth: freewill sacrificial giving principles endorsed by the Holy Spirit after Calvary (2 Cor. 8 and 9).
16. THE CURSES OF MALACHI: Without a doubt the curses of Malachi are the curses of the Law (1:14; 2:2; 3:9; Neh. 10:28-29). “Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them” (Gal. 3:10 quoting Deut. 27:26). The blessings and curses of tithing are identical to (and inseparable from) those of the entire Mosaic Law. One must keep the whole law in order to be blessed (not simply tithe); breaking one part of the law brought its curses.
The rain in Malachi 3:10 is the same in Leviticus 28:1-4 and Deuteronomy 28:12, 23-24; it is only delivered after obedience to all 600+ commandments. The devourer of Malachi 3:11 is the same as Deuteronomy 28:21.
Some tithe teachers go beyond credibility to place blood-washed redeemed New Covenant believers under the curse of the Old Covenant. In fact Gentile Christians never were under that Law; they were condemned by nature and conscience (Rom 1:18-20:14-16). Hebrew Christians who were once under it are now dead to it (Romans 7:4). God’s Word clearly declares that “Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us” (Gal. 3:13). Certainly this text is also in the tithe-teacher’s Bible!  The question is: “What post-Calvary New Covenant principle of interpretation give tithe-teachers authority to say that Christians who do not “tithe” are cursed?” What curse is it? You are quoting Malachi 3:9; is it the curse of the Old Covenant? Since the whole 10% went to the Levites (Numb. 18:20-24) and the priests only received a tenth of their tenth (Numb.18:25-28), are not gospel ministers who teach tithing cursed if they receive more than one per cent?
17. THIS WHOLE NATION: With the exception of Malachi 2:11-12 which is speaking third-person to all Judah, the “you” of Malachi is only the priests from 1:6 onward. “Even this whole nation” (3:9 KJV) is “the whole nation –of you” (NASU, NIV, RSV). It means “every priest in the whole nation had been involved in stealing the tithes from the storeroom in Nehemiah 13:5. This forced the Levites to return to their cities for food and the temple was closed (Neh 13:5-10). Nehemiah is the likely context of Malachi 3:8-10.
18. BRING ALL THE TITHE INTO THE STOREHOUSE (MALACHI 3:10): If this is speaking to all the people of Judah, there is a logistics’ problem. (1) The temple complex had no huge storage facilities to hold all the tithe of the nation. King Hezekiah discovered this in 2nd Chronicles 31:5-9 and re-distributed the tithes to the Levitical cities (31:15-19). (2) According to Nehemiah 13:5 at least some of the tithe had been stored in a large room; the largest combined storage room in the temple complex was no larger than 20 feet by 20’ feet (1 Kings 6:6). (3) There were 24 courses of Levites and priests which only served in the temple a week at a time (twice a year). Thus 23 of 24 courses, all women and all men under 20 stayed in the Levitical cities. That means about 2% of Levites and priests served in the temple at any normal week (2 Chron 31:2, 15). Therefore, it makes no sense whatsoever to store 100% of the tithe in the temple if 98% of its users were elsewhere and Malachi 3:10 is very confusing indeed. Also see 1 Chron 23-26; see also 28:13, 21; 2 Chron 8:14; 23:8; 31:2, 15-19; 35:4, 5, 10; Ezra 6:18; Neh 11:19, 30; 12:24; 13:9, 10; Luke 1:5.
However, ,if “you” in Malachi 3:10 only refers to the dishonest priests from 1:6-14; 2:1-10, 13-17; 3-1-5 and Nehemiah 13:5-10, then the text makes sense. (1) The general population brings their Levitical tithes to the Levitical cities where it is needed (Neh 10:37b). (2) The Levites and priests together receive the tithes in the Levitical cities (Neh 10:38). (3) Levites bring what is needed for a week to the temple storeroom (tithes and offerings) (Neh. 10:39). Levites are assisted by the population which brings their firstfruits-offerings (Neh. 10:35-37a, 39). Nehemiah 10:35-39 is the key to understanding Malachi 3:10. (See Joshua 20-21 and Numbers 35 for the Levitical cities.)

19. THE TEMPLE STOREROOM: It is wrong to compare the temple storeroom to the church. (1) The church (assembly of believers) is never called a “storehouse” or “building” in God’s Word; there is no precedent. (2) The temple was not a “storehouse” for the tithes of the nation; the great tithes were brought to the Levitical cities where those who needed them for food lived (Neh 10:37b-38). (3) The largest room in the temple was about 10 feet by 20 feet (1 Kings 6:6). Doubling that room as suggested in Nehemiah 13:5 would still make it too small to hold the tithe of the nation as King Hezekiah discovered in 2ndChronicles 31:9. (4) 1st Corinthians 16:2 does not teach storehouse-tithing. a) it concerns freewill offerings for famine relief and not support of gospel workers (16:1). b) the text probably refers to setting aside food at home and c) there were no legal church buildings for almost 300 years after Calvary.

20. Matthew 23:23: The post-Calvary New Covenant does not teach tithing. It did not begin at the birth of Jesus, but at his death (Gal. 3:19, 24, 25; 4:4, 5). Tithing is not taught to the church after the cross! When Jesus discussed tithing in Matthew 23:23, “you” referred to “teachers of the Law,” “you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites” who had made the Law a burden. As a faithful (and sinless) Jew, Jesus endorsed and supported the entire Old Covenant law until the cross. (Note “matters of the law” in 23:23). It would have been SIN to teach otherwise. The context was before Calvary.
In Matthew 23:2 and 3 (the context of 23:23) Jesus told his Jewish followers to obey the scribes and Pharisees "because they sit in Moses’ seat." Yet He did not (and could not) command Gentiles whom He healed to present themselves to the priests and obey the Law of Moses (compare Matt 5:23-24 and 8:4). If pastors literally obeyed Matthew 23:23, they would literally command Christians to tithe from garden herbs as Jesus commanded.
There is not a single New Testament Bible text which teaches tithing after the cross! Acts 2:42-47 and 4:32-35 are not examples of tithing to support church leaders. According to 2:46 the Jewish Christians continued to worship in the Temple. And according to 2:44 and 4:33, 34 church leaders shared what they received equally with all church members. (This is not done today).
Finally Acts 21:20-25 proves that Jewish Christians were still zealously observing all of the Mosaic Law 30 years later –and that must include tithing—otherwise they would not have been allowed inside the Temple to worship. Therefore, any tithes collected by the early Jewish Christians were given to the Temple system and not to support the church

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing : Talk Is Cheap, Nigerians Are Just Stingy by nicemuyoo: 11:09am On Dec 17, 2017

icemuyoo: 12:54pm On Dec 10

TITHING IS NOT A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE
Essay by Russell Earl Kelly, PHD
www.tithing-russkelly.com
January 31, 2015
1. DEFINING THE TITHE: True biblical holy tithes were always only food from the holy land and herds of Israelites who lived inside God’s holy land, the boundary of Israel. They were the tenth of crops after the full harvest (not the best); they were the tenth increase of clean animals (not the best) (Lev. 27:30-34).
Common sense demands that, if one is going to quote Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Malachi and Matthew to teach tithing, then one should use the exact definition used by Moses, Nehemiah, Malachi and Jesus. Yes, the basic word tithemeans tenth. However in God’s Word tithe does not stand alone; its meaning is very limited. Although money existed before tithing, the source of God's holy tithe for over 1500 years [Moses to Jesus; Leviticus to Luke] was never money (Mal. 3:10; Mt 23:23). The increase was not from man’s hand or ability; the increase was from what God Himself miraculously produced from His own holy land. No holy tithes could come from non-food items, from Gentiles or from unclean pagan lands.
There are 16 verses from 11 chapters and 8 books from Leviticus 27 to Luke 11 which describe the contents of the holy tithe. And those contents never included money, silver, gold or anything other than food from inside Israel! Yet the incorrect definition of tithe as “the first tenth of income” is the greatest error being preached about tithing today! Lev 27:30, 32; Numb 18:27-28; Deut 12:17; 14:22-23; 26:12; 2 Chron 31:5-6; Neh 10:37; 13:5; Mal 3:10-11; Matt 23:23; Luke 11:42. In order to be honest tithe-teachers must honestly use the biblical definition of the holy tithe.
2. MONEY WAS NOT TITHED: Although money in the form of gold and silver existed in the Bible and was essential for sanctuary/temple worship, money was never included in any of the 16 descriptions of the holy tithe.

According to Jesus' literal words, money with the image of Caesar (civil government) or the unholy language (such as English) could not be used for Temple worship and must only be "rendered untdo Caesar" (Mark 12:17).

One argument to support non-food tithing is that money was not universally available and barter from food was used for money. That argument misses the point! While it is undeniable that food was also used for barter, it is also undeniable that money was never used for tithing.

Genesis alone contains the word money in 32 texts and the word occurs 44 times before the holy tithe is described in Leviticus 27:30-34. The words jewelry, gold, silver and shekel also appear often from Genesis to Deuteronomy.
Abram was very rich in silver and gold (Gen 13:2); money in the form of silver shekels paid for slaves (Gen 17:12+); Abimelech gave Abraham 1000 pieces of silver (Gen 20:16); Abraham paid 400 pieces of silver for land (Gen 23:9-16); Joseph was sold for silver pieces (Gen 37:28); slaves bought freedom (Lev 25:47-53). Court fines (Ex 21 all; 22 all), sanctuary dues (Ex 30:12+), vows (Lev 27:3-7), poll taxes (Numb 3:47+), alcoholic drinks (Deut 14:26) and marriage dowries (Deut 22:29) included money.
Joseph gave Benjamin 300 pieces of silver (Gen 45:22). In Genesis 47:15-17, food was used for barter only after money had been spent. Banking and usury laws exist in Leviticus even before tithing. Therefore money was common. Yet, from God’s inspired Word, the holy contents from Leviticus to Luke never include money from non-food products and trades. Pagan money with pagan images could not be brought into the temple as offerings.
3. ABRAM AND JACOB’S TITHES WERE FROM PAGAN SOURCES: Abram’s tithe (Gen 14:18-20) to Melchizedek and Jacob’s freewill vow (Gen 28:20-22) were from pagan sources and would not have been accepted by Moses, Malachi or Jesus as holy tithes.
Many reputable books document the existence of spoils of war tithing from Babylon to Egypt before Abraham’s time. For the following reasons, Abram’s (not yet Abraham; 17:5) pre-circumcision tithe in Genesis 14:20 cannot be used as an example for Christians to tithe. (1) The Bible does not say “why” Abram tithed pagan spoils of war or that he freely gave his pagan-source tithe. (2) Abram’s gift was NOT a) a holy tithe b) from inside God’s holy land c) miraculously increased by God’s hand d) gathered by God’s holy people e) under God’s holy Old Covenant. (3) Abram’s tithe was clearly only from pagan spoils of war [Sodom] and was required in many nations as the law of the land. It was not the same as the holy tithe reference by Moses, Nehemiah, Malachi and Jesus. (4) In Numbers 31:21-31, God’s Law only required 1% of spoils of war as an ordinance. Therefore if the Law had existed in Abram’s time, he would have only given 1%. (5) Abram’s tithe to the priest-king Melchizedek was a one-time recorded event; it is never mentioned under the Law.. (6) Abram’s tithe was not from his previously-owned personal property; we are not told that he tithed anything from what he previously owned. (7) Abram’s (ignored) example was to keep nothing for himself; he gave everything back. ( Abram’s tithe is not quoted anywhere in the Bible to endorse tithing from Israel or by the church. Why not if it were so all-important to merit mention almost weekly? (9) Genesis 14, verse 21, is the key text. Since most commentaries explain verse 21 as an example of pagan Arab law, it is contradictory to explain the 90% of verse 21 as pagan, while insisting that the 10% of verse 20 was obedience to God’s will. (10) Abram gave the 90% to the King of Sodom. Would it not have been better to give it all to Melchizedek? If Abraham is an example for Christians to give 10% to God, then should he also be an example for Christians to give the other 90% to Satan, or to the king of Sodom? (11) As priests themselves, neither Abraham nor Jacob had a Levitical priesthood to support. Their tithes were probably for the poor at their altars to Yahweh.
4. THE GOD’S- OWNERSHIP PRINCIPLE. Even though it is true that “God owns everything” (Psalm 24:1), that does not prove that God expects tithes from all believers. Psalm 24:1 actually proves that tithes were limited and not universal. It proves that God did not consider all land on earth to be holy and capable of producing holy tithes. Otherwise God would have accepted food from outside Israel as holy tithes; He did not!
Yes, “God owns everything” but He only received tithes under the Old Covenant Law from food He increased from within His HOLY land of Israel! That is the biblical fact! Tithes were never merchandise, gold, silver or precious stones. If God had expected all Israelites to tithe in the Old Testament time, such would not be true.
5. NO MINIMUM STANDARD: Tithing was not a minimum requirement from all Israelites. Tithe-advocates teach that Christians must begin their level of giving at a minimum of the first 10% of total increase. They erroneously teach that 10% was the least required from Old Covenant Hebrews and, therefore, the New Covenant believer must begin there. This is wrong because tithes could only come from the HOLY increase of food from inside God’s HOLY land. There was no minimal beginning point of giving for Hebrews who worked non-food trades and crafts and for those living outside Israel; there was no minimum precedent for comparison. Carpenters like Jesus did not qualify; tentmakers outside of Israel did not qualify.
6. THE PURPOSE OF THE TITHE: The purpose of the first tithe was (1) to replace the loss of any inheritance or portion of Israel’s wealth in the land and (2) to pay Levites and priests for their labor in the sanctuary and temple.
Numb 18:20 And the LORD spoke to Aaron, You shall have no inheritance in their land; neither shall you have any part among them: I am your part and your inheritance among the children of Israel.
Levites and priests were to have no inheritance “in the land” (not “of the land”). That meant they were neither to inherit land nor to inherit anything else from any other source. “Neither have any part among them” meant they were not to share in the wealth of other Israelites. That explains why Levites are first in line among the poor in Deuteronomy 14:29. In other words, they were expected to remain among the poor and humble. See comments on the third tithe.
Tithe-advocates totally ignore the clear declared purpose in the tithing statute/ordinance of Numbers 18 and keep repeating their devised purpose that the tithe is to “acknowledge God’s ownership of everything.” Though their supplanted purpose may sound good, it is not biblical. Few, if any, tithing sermons are preached from Numbers 18:20-29.
7. THE FIRST LEVITICAL TITHE: The tithe of Leviticus 27:30-34 and Numbers 18:20-29 was very different from the modern teaching of tithing. It was divided into two categories. The first whole 10% did not go to the priests who ministered at the altar (Numb 18:20-24; Neh. 10:37b). Instead it went to the Levite-servants to the priests who functioned as bakers, singers, musicians, guards, animal skinners, janitors, builders, craftsmen and treasurers in the sanctuary/temple. King David also used them as judges, rulers and politicians (Numbers 3; 1st Chronicles, chapters 23 to 26). This is certainly not taught today as it seriously changes modern tithing concepts.
According to Numbers 18:25-28 and Nehemiah 10:38, the Levites, in turn, gave their best tenth of their tenth (1%) to the priests who ministered at the altar. God was their unique inheritance and their unique part. The tithe ended there; priests did not tithe. For obvious reasons, this is also not taught today. While priests were not commanded to tithe, they were evidently expected to give freewill vow offerings (Malachi 1:7-14). The main income of priests was not from tithes; it was from freewill offerings (Numbers 18 all; Nehemiah 10:35-38). Today all believers are priests (1 Peter 2:9-10; Rev 5:10) and priests did not tithe. This fact should have a profound impact on post Calvary giving principles.
Also, tithe-advocates do not include Leviticus 27:34 in their sermons, “These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in Mount Sinai.” They only preach from their greatly distorted versions of 27:30-33. It is obvious why they omit 27:34 from its context of 27:30-33. It limits the tithe of Moses, Nehemiah, Malachi and Jesus to Old Covenant Israel.
8. NO INHERITANCE OR SHARE: God forbade Levites and priests who received the first whole tithe from owning property in his land or receiving any other inheritances. He also forbade them from sharing wealth with other Hebrews (“no portion among them”). This Bible fact is found an amazing 12 times in (Numb 18:20, 26; Deut 10:9; 12:12; 14:27, 29; 18:1; Josh 13:14, 33; 14:3; 18:7; Eze 44:28). Evidently God meant what He said to repeat it so often! If gospel workers want to preach tithing principles, this one should definitely be included! Even if tithes were New Covenant they would first go to the deacons, singers, musicians and builders who vaguely correspond to Old Covenant Levites and the minister would only get a tenth of their tithe.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing : Talk Is Cheap, Nigerians Are Just Stingy by nicemuyoo: 11:05am On Dec 17, 2017

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by nicemuyoo: 10:40am On Dec 17, 2017

After His death he never collected tithe. Peter, James, john and Paul never taught or collected tithe. The early church never collected tithe. The first tithe was collected after 777AD. by roman Catholic church

petra1:
yashua was not our higpriest until death

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Christianity Etc › Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by nicemuyoo: 10:55pm On Dec 16, 2017

The truth is hard to swallow. Prosperity doctrine is a big lie preying on people's greed ignorance. Giving them false hope till they go to their grave so the money keeps flowing. I believe God blesses people ensuring they are not lacking at all. But to make you a millionaire it is HIS PREROGATIVE and it would serve a purpose during that person's life time. Not just for luxury or pleasure sake.
E.g. Cyrus, Esther, daniel, joseph etc.
And they became millionaires not because of tithe, or to being money to a prophet or priest

Dan1cole:
Am sorry but my conversation with you is over.
I can't talk with someone who still thinks at this level.

Christianity Etc › Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by nicemuyoo: 10:37pm On Dec 16, 2017

Jesus did not come to promise earthly riches it is a wrong doctrine pushed by twisting scriptures. When you work hard and smart then you would be rich. That responsibility and ablility God has placed on man!! God can make a man rich for a purpose. That is why God does not intend to make every believer a millionaire never, but one thing I am sure of you would not lack!!. Provided you do your part.... HARD WORK. Most rich people on earth are non believers

Dan1cole:
So are you saying God is okay with poverty and failure? And doesn't encourage success and prosperity?

Christianity Etc › Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by nicemuyoo: 10:06pm On Dec 16, 2017

I have given ou scriptural facts that proves he was not accumulating earthly riches and possessions while on earth as a matter of fact he was never bothered.he just lived on basic necessities of life. So you are too proud to admit scriptural truth.
When bible says he became poor so we might be rich it meant rich in the spirit not carnal worldly riches, now he became poor by taking on our sins. it seems you don't understand scriptural truth.
To many wrong teachings in the church . They just twist scriptures to sooth their own worldly desires. This makes my blood boil.
Jesus was not rich while on earth. He did not possess material riches or land, sheep, gold etc. He survived on basic necessities of life period!!!!

Dan1cole:
Well, believe what you want.
I know my God wasn't poor.
Yes 'He was made poor' (during 'His passion' leading to His death and resurrection) that we might be rich.
He came from poor backgrounds, but never remained in the backgrounds.
Believe me, He wasn't poor.
Now, don't misunderstand what I mean; He didn't actually concern himself with material things nor did he express a luxurious or lavishing lifestyle, that doesn't mean he was poor.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Beginning Of The End Of "Daddy Freeze". by nicemuyoo: 9:33pm On Dec 16, 2017

Mocking/ insult the is not what we are interested in. That shld not come up at all. [qquote author=D1official post=63346171]
God can use anybody. Agreed.
But God has never used anybody to correct or rebuke prophets or pastors both genuine or fake.
But here we have freeze insulting elderly men, and mocking them.
And you telling me he's being used by God.
Moreover everyone used in d scriptures was once a nobody.[/quote]

Christianity Etc › Re: The Beginning Of The End Of "Daddy Freeze". by nicemuyoo: 9:11pm On Dec 16, 2017

Isaiah 45!!! Cyrus the anointed who never knew God or acknowledge him. Yet he gave him great victory and glory over all the nations breaking every stronghold before him. How do you explain that? God can use anybody!! When people just say things with no good knowledge of scriptures
This is what the Lord says to his anointed,

to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of

to subdue nations before him

and to strip kings of their armor,

to open doors before him

so that gates will not be shut:

2I will go before you

and will level the mountainsa ;

I will break down gates of bronze

and cut through bars of iron.

3I will give you hidden treasures,

riches stored in secret places,

so that you may know that I am the Lord,

the God of Israel, who summons you by name.

4For the sake of Jacob my servant,

of Israel my chosen,

I summon you by name

and bestow on you a title of honor,

though you do not acknowledge me.

D1official:
Definitely and obviously d end of all things has dawned on us,the prophecies of the scriptures is being fulfilled before our very eyes.
To us the believers,we are glad because everyday draws us closer to our home, to the unbelievers we are crazy and to the non -yet believers the grace is still sufficient to you all.

It's no longer a news that a Daddy called "FREEZE" who has being known for his criticisms against "Tithing" has looked like a torn in the flesh of many by him asking for a new testament proof which validates tithing an old testament doctrine today.
WONDERFUL!! But here are some great points and questions for "DADDY AND ALL HIS CREW" .

1. Has God ever used a non prophet or ordinary person as a voice against a fake prophet or to correct a prophet in both old and new testament?

It should be clear to each and every one of us, that God has Neva used an ordinary person to correct a false or real prophet of his, not in the old or even the new testament can such ever be found.

For example God used (young prophet Samuel - prophet Eli),(Samuel to correct and punish King Saul), (Prophet Nathan to correct king David), (Paul to rebuke bar Jesus)... Since God has never used someone like "DADDY FREEZE" before, who then is making use of him?

2.Who called daddy freeze into these teachings?

In point one, we have ascertained that the likes of "FREEZE" has never being used by God before in both old and new testament to correct the church.

It is also very interesting for us to note that, the work of God is not a white collar job that every intellectual can just be employed,just because he feels emotionally attached.

Every single soul that has worked for God to bring to pass a particular agenda has everly being on God's strict and clear calling.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

It is obvious to us that DADDY wasn't called by God neither has he ever mentioned at any point or anywhere that he's being called by God. So who called him?

3. Was tithing condemned in d new testament?

Every one that has stood firmly with "FREEZE" has always being of the opinion that tithing is an old testament doctrine and no longer exists in the new testament. But actually non of them have being able to show us where tithing was abolished in the new testament by Jesus or the disciples.

And therefore since tithing was encouraged in the old testament and has a lot of similar backings in the new testament, why shouldn't we continue with it ,why scrap it out when JESUS nor any of his disciples didn't condemned it?

4. Has God ever divided his own church?.

Has God ever allowed the church to be publicly disgraced before,even at the expense of fake prophets?.NO!!. God has never done that in the scriptures. In fact Jesus in (Matt 13:36-43) made reference to the parable of the wheat and tares.

Jesus made it clear that the tares should be left untouched. why?. Because he clearly doesn't want to divide his church. So who is dividing US?

5.what is actually d agenda and mission of "DADDY FREEZE".

The main agenda of "FREEZE" is nothing other than to destroy the economic sufficiency of the church just to hinder it's growth.

By claiming that all tithing which has being going to churches, should all be redirected into charity.
The question now is, will God ever cut the flow of resources to his body?.
We must note that the church is the people but the people can never be the church.
" GATE OF HELL SHALL NEVA PREVAIL AGAINST D CHURCH".
BRETHREN let's be wiser than the devil.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Beginning Of The End Of "Daddy Freeze". by nicemuyoo: 9:04pm On Dec 16, 2017

Isaiah 45!!! Cyrus the anointed who never new God or acknowledge him. Yet he gave him great victory and glory over all the nation's breaking every stronghold before him. How do you explain that God can use anybody!! When people just say things with no good knowledge of scriptures
This is what the Lord says to his anointed,

to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of

to subdue nations before him

and to strip kings of their armor,

to open doors before him

so that gates will not be shut:

2I will go before you

and will level the mountainsa ;

I will break down gates of bronze

and cut through bars of iron.

3I will give you hidden treasures,

riches stored in secret places,

so that you may know that I am the Lord,

the God of Israel, who summons you by name.

4For the sake of Jacob my servant,

of Israel my chosen,

I summon you by name

and bestow on you a title of honor,

though you do not acknowledge me.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let No Man Deceive You About Tithe, TITHE Is God Commadment by nicemuyoo: 8:46pm On Dec 16, 2017

Continuation part 3
21. PAUL PREFERRED TO BE SELF-SUPPORTED: The Bible is silent about whether gospel workers should be part time or full time. It does tell us that Levites, priests and prophets worked in many professions (1st Chronicles, chapters 23 to 26). As a Jewish rabbi, Paul was among those who insisted on working to support himself (Acts 18:3; 1 Thes. 2:9-10; 2 Thes. 3:8-14). While Paul does not condemn those who are able to receive full-time support, neither does he teach that full-time support is the mandatory will of God for advancing the gospel (1 Cor 9:12). In fact, twice, in Acts 20:29-35 and also in 2 Corinthians 12:14, Paul actually encouraged church elders to work to support needy believers inside the church.
For Paul, living of the gospel meant living by gospel principles of faith, love and grace (1 Cor 9:14). While Paul realized that he had a right to some support, he concluded that his liberty, or freedom to preach unhindered was more important in order to fulfill his calling from God (1 Cor 9:12, 15; 2 Cor 11:7-13; 12:13-14; 1 Thes 2:5-6). While working as a tent-maker, Paul accepted limited support but boasted that his pay, or salary, was that he could preach the gospel for free, without being a burden to others (1 Cor 9:16-19). With the possible exception of Hebrews, Paul never mentioned tithing. Most young preachers today do not want to follow this example given by Paul.

22. TITHING DID NOT BECOME A LAW IN THE CHURCH UNTIL A.D. 777: The earliest Christian assemblies patterned themselves after the Jewish synagogues which were led by rabbis who, like Paul, refused to gain a profit from preaching and teaching God’s Word. There are many books on Jewish social life which explain this in great detail.
From Christ’s death until Christianity became a legally recognized religion almost 300 years later, the majority of great church leaders took self-imposed vows of poverty. This is historically documented! They took Jesus’ words to the rich young ruler in Luke 18:22 literally “sell all that you have, give it to the poor, and follow me.” Most church historians agree that these early church leaders for at least the first 200 years worked for a living and were self-supporting. A Christian leader could not tell a Roman census-taker that he was a full-time preacher of an outlaw religion.
Clement of Rome (c95), Justin Martyr (c150), Irenaeus (c150-200) and Tertullian (c150-220) all opposed tithing as a strictly Jewish tradition. The Didache (c150-200) condemns traveling apostles who stay longer than three days and ask for money. And travelers who decided to remain with them were required to learn a trade. These early opponents of tithing are not quoted by tithe-teachers.
Cyprian (200-258) tried unsuccessfully to impose tithing in Carthage, North Africa around A. D. 250. At his conversion Cyprian gave away great wealth to the poor and lived under a vow of poverty. His idea of tithing included equal re-distribution to the poor. And –we must remember—his ideas of tithing were not adopted.
When tithe-teachers quote Ambrose, Chrysostom and Augustine as church fathers they conveniently leave out the first 200 years of church history. Even after Christianity became legal in the fourth century many of the greatest spiritual leaders took vows of deep poverty and preferred to live unmarried lives in monasteries. If these tithe-teachers are quoted, then the church should also be told what kind of lives they usually led.
While disagreeing with their own theologians, most church historians write that tithing did not become a legally enforced doctrine in the church for over 700 years after the cross. According to the very best sources it took over 500 years before a local church Council of Macon in France, in the year 585, tried unsuccessfully to enforce tithing on its members. It was not until the year 777 that Charlemagne legally allowed the church to collect tithes. That is the history of tithing found in the Encyclopedia Britannica, Encyclopedia Americana and the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia.
23. HERMENEUTICS: Tithe-teachers use their own blended pick-and-choose principles which are extremely inconsistent. (1) Unlike John Owen, Covenant theologians reject their basic principles which discard tithing as part of the worship statutes. (2) Unlike Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalists reject their basic principles which discard the entire Mosaic Law unless it is repeated to the Church in terms of grace. (3) They forget that the Old Covenant and tithing were only given to Old Covenant Israel (Ex 19:5-8; 23:33; Lev 278:34; Deut 7:2). (4) They forget that the New Covenant is not the re-worded Old Covenant (Heb 8:9). (5) They forget that pre-Calvary Gentiles were never under the formal Law but were judged by nature and conscience (Rom 1:18-20; 2:14-16; John 1:9).) (6) They attempt to teach that the whole Law is still in effect in order to include tithing and then discard almost everything except tithing. While quoting Matthew 5:17-18, they ignore 5:19 and the context of 5:20-48. Yet 5:17-18 demands either all of the Law of Moses or none of it in the Old Covenant context. While the 3:10 of the Law in Malachi is so important to tithe-teachers they ignore the 3:10 of the Gospel in Galatians and 2nd Corinthians. Perhaps those wanting to enforce the 3:10 Law of Malachi should also enforce the 3:10 Law of Numbers. They share the same context. The tithe-teachers blended compromise is a modern scandal of God’s Word.
24. BETTER GIVING PRINCIPLES: (1) According to Galatians 5:16-23, there is no physical law which controls the fruits of the Holy Spirit. (2) Second Corinthians 3:10 says that the Old Covenant has "no glory" when compared to the "surpassing" glory and liberty of the Holy Spirit. (3) Hebrews 7 is the only post-Calvary mention of tithing and it is an explanation of why the Levitical priesthood must be replaced by Christ’s priesthood because it was weak and unprofitable. Study Hebrews 7 and follow the progression from verse 5 to verse 12 to verse 19. (4) The manner in which tithing is taught today reflects a failure of the church to believe and act on the far better principles of love, grace and faith. Mandatory giving principles cannot, has not and will not prosper the church more than principles guided by love for Christ and lost souls (2 Cor 8:7-.
Christians are commanded to give freely, sacrificially, generously, regularly, joyfully and with the motivation of love for God and man. The following New Covenant free-will principles are found in Second Corinthians 8 and 9: (1) Giving is a "grace.” These chapters use the Greek word for "grace" eight times in reference to helping needy saints. (2) Give yourself to God first (8:5). (3) Give yourself to knowing God’s will (8:5). (4) Give in response to Christ’s gift (8:9; 9:15). (5) Give out of a sincere desire (8:8, 10, 12; 9:7). (6) Do not give because of any commandment (8:8, 10; 9:7). (7) Give beyond your ability (8:3, 11-12). ( Give to produce equality. This means that those who have more should give more in order to make up for the inability of those who cannot afford to give as much (8:12-14). (9) Give joyfully (8:2). (10) Give because you are growing spiritually (8:3-4, 7). (11) Give because you want to continue growing spiritually (9:8, 10-11). (12) Give because you are hearing the gospel preached (9:13).
Conclusion
Tithing failed national Israel and it has also failed the Church (Heb 7:5, 12-19). Churches showcase success stories but fail to mention the testimonies of those who have tithed for generations without escaping poverty. Today the very lowest income class pays the largest percentage to charity. Yet most remain in poverty. Meanwhile many atheists become wealthy by simply following principles of money management which also makes many tithers successful. Neither the lottery, nor the tithe is a magic get-rich-quick answer to replace education, determination and hard work. If Malachi 3:10 really worked for New Covenant Christians, millions of poor tithing Christians would have escaped poverty and would have become the wealthiest group of people in the world instead of remaining the poorest group. There is no evidence that the vast majority of poor tithe-payers are ever blessed financially merely because they tithe. The Old Covenant blessings are not New Covenant blessings (Heb 7:18-19; 8:6-8, 13). In God’s Word, tithe does not stand alone. It is the tithe of FOOD. The HOLY biblical tithe was very narrowly defined and limited by God Himself. True biblical tithes were always: (1) only food, (2) only from the farms and herds, (3) of only Israelites, (4) who only lived inside God’s Holy Land, the national boundary of Israel, (5) only under Old Covenant terms and (6) the increase could only be gathered from what God produced.
Therefore, (1) non-food items could not be tithed; (2) clean wild game animals and fish could not be tithed; (3) non-Israelites could not tithe; (4) food from outside God’s holy land of Israel could not be tithed; (5) legitimate tithing did not occur when there was no Levitical priesthood; and (6) tithes did not come from what man’s hands created, produced or caught by hunting and fishing. I invite church leaders into an open discussion of this subject. The careful and prayer-full study of God’s Word is essential for church growth.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let No Man Deceive You About Tithe, TITHE Is God Commadment by nicemuyoo: 8:45pm On Dec 16, 2017

TITHING IS NOT A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE
Essay by Russell Earl Kelly, PHD
www.tithing-russkelly.com
January 31, 2015
1. DEFINING THE TITHE: True biblical holy tithes were always only food from the holy land and herds of Israelites who lived inside God’s holy land, the boundary of Israel. They were the tenth of crops after the full harvest (not the best); they were the tenth increase of clean animals (not the best) (Lev. 27:30-34).
Common sense demands that, if one is going to quote Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Malachi and Matthew to teach tithing, then one should use the exact definition used by Moses, Nehemiah, Malachi and Jesus. Yes, the basic word tithemeans tenth. However in God’s Word tithe does not stand alone; its meaning is very limited. Although money existed before tithing, the source of God's holy tithe for over 1500 years [Moses to Jesus; Leviticus to Luke] was never money (Mal. 3:10; Mt 23:23). The increase was not from man’s hand or ability; the increase was from what God Himself miraculously produced from His own holy land. No holy tithes could come from non-food items, from Gentiles or from unclean pagan lands.
There are 16 verses from 11 chapters and 8 books from Leviticus 27 to Luke 11 which describe the contents of the holy tithe. And those contents never included money, silver, gold or anything other than food from inside Israel! Yet the incorrect definition of tithe as “the first tenth of income” is the greatest error being preached about tithing today! Lev 27:30, 32; Numb 18:27-28; Deut 12:17; 14:22-23; 26:12; 2 Chron 31:5-6; Neh 10:37; 13:5; Mal 3:10-11; Matt 23:23; Luke 11:42. In order to be honest tithe-teachers must honestly use the biblical definition of the holy tithe.
2. MONEY WAS NOT TITHED: Although money in the form of gold and silver existed in the Bible and was essential for sanctuary/temple worship, money was never included in any of the 16 descriptions of the holy tithe.

According to Jesus' literal words, money with the image of Caesar (civil government) or the unholy language (such as English) could not be used for Temple worship and must only be "rendered untdo Caesar" (Mark 12:17).

One argument to support non-food tithing is that money was not universally available and barter from food was used for money. That argument misses the point! While it is undeniable that food was also used for barter, it is also undeniable that money was never used for tithing.

Genesis alone contains the word money in 32 texts and the word occurs 44 times before the holy tithe is described in Leviticus 27:30-34. The words jewelry, gold, silver and shekel also appear often from Genesis to Deuteronomy.
Abram was very rich in silver and gold (Gen 13:2); money in the form of silver shekels paid for slaves (Gen 17:12+); Abimelech gave Abraham 1000 pieces of silver (Gen 20:16); Abraham paid 400 pieces of silver for land (Gen 23:9-16); Joseph was sold for silver pieces (Gen 37:28); slaves bought freedom (Lev 25:47-53). Court fines (Ex 21 all; 22 all), sanctuary dues (Ex 30:12+), vows (Lev 27:3-7), poll taxes (Numb 3:47+), alcoholic drinks (Deut 14:26) and marriage dowries (Deut 22:29) included money.
Joseph gave Benjamin 300 pieces of silver (Gen 45:22). In Genesis 47:15-17, food was used for barter only after money had been spent. Banking and usury laws exist in Leviticus even before tithing. Therefore money was common. Yet, from God’s inspired Word, the holy contents from Leviticus to Luke never include money from non-food products and trades. Pagan money with pagan images could not be brought into the temple as offerings.
3. ABRAM AND JACOB’S TITHES WERE FROM PAGAN SOURCES: Abram’s tithe (Gen 14:18-20) to Melchizedek and Jacob’s freewill vow (Gen 28:20-22) were from pagan sources and would not have been accepted by Moses, Malachi or Jesus as holy tithes.
Many reputable books document the existence of spoils of war tithing from Babylon to Egypt before Abraham’s time. For the following reasons, Abram’s (not yet Abraham; 17:5) pre-circumcision tithe in Genesis 14:20 cannot be used as an example for Christians to tithe. (1) The Bible does not say “why” Abram tithed pagan spoils of war or that he freely gave his pagan-source tithe. (2) Abram’s gift was NOT a) a holy tithe b) from inside God’s holy land c) miraculously increased by God’s hand d) gathered by God’s holy people e) under God’s holy Old Covenant. (3) Abram’s tithe was clearly only from pagan spoils of war [Sodom] and was required in many nations as the law of the land. It was not the same as the holy tithe reference by Moses, Nehemiah, Malachi and Jesus. (4) In Numbers 31:21-31, God’s Law only required 1% of spoils of war as an ordinance. Therefore if the Law had existed in Abram’s time, he would have only given 1%. (5) Abram’s tithe to the priest-king Melchizedek was a one-time recorded event; it is never mentioned under the Law.. (6) Abram’s tithe was not from his previously-owned personal property; we are not told that he tithed anything from what he previously owned. (7) Abram’s (ignored) example was to keep nothing for himself; he gave everything back. ( Abram’s tithe is not quoted anywhere in the Bible to endorse tithing from Israel or by the church. Why not if it were so all-important to merit mention almost weekly? (9) Genesis 14, verse 21, is the key text. Since most commentaries explain verse 21 as an example of pagan Arab law, it is contradictory to explain the 90% of verse 21 as pagan, while insisting that the 10% of verse 20 was obedience to God’s will. (10) Abram gave the 90% to the King of Sodom. Would it not have been better to give it all to Melchizedek? If Abraham is an example for Christians to give 10% to God, then should he also be an example for Christians to give the other 90% to Satan, or to the king of Sodom? (11) As priests themselves, neither Abraham nor Jacob had a Levitical priesthood to support. Their tithes were probably for the poor at their altars to Yahweh.
4. THE GOD’S- OWNERSHIP PRINCIPLE. Even though it is true that “God owns everything” (Psalm 24:1), that does not prove that God expects tithes from all believers. Psalm 24:1 actually proves that tithes were limited and not universal. It proves that God did not consider all land on earth to be holy and capable of producing holy tithes. Otherwise God would have accepted food from outside Israel as holy tithes; He did not!
Yes, “God owns everything” but He only received tithes under the Old Covenant Law from food He increased from within His HOLY land of Israel! That is the biblical fact! Tithes were never merchandise, gold, silver or precious stones. If God had expected all Israelites to tithe in the Old Testament time, such would not be true.
5. NO MINIMUM STANDARD: Tithing was not a minimum requirement from all Israelites. Tithe-advocates teach that Christians must begin their level of giving at a minimum of the first 10% of total increase. They erroneously teach that 10% was the least required from Old Covenant Hebrews and, therefore, the New Covenant believer must begin there. This is wrong because tithes could only come from the HOLY increase of food from inside God’s HOLY land. There was no minimal beginning point of giving for Hebrews who worked non-food trades and crafts and for those living outside Israel; there was no minimum precedent for comparison. Carpenters like Jesus did not qualify; tentmakers outside of Israel did not qualify.
6. THE PURPOSE OF THE TITHE: The purpose of the first tithe was (1) to replace the loss of any inheritance or portion of Israel’s wealth in the land and (2) to pay Levites and priests for their labor in the sanctuary and temple.
Numb 18:20 And the LORD spoke to Aaron, You shall have no inheritance in their land; neither shall you have any part among them: I am your part and your inheritance among the children of Israel.
Levites and priests were to have no inheritance “in the land” (not “of the land”). That meant they were neither to inherit land nor to inherit anything else from any other source. “Neither have any part among them” meant they were not to share in the wealth of other Israelites. That explains why Levites are first in line among the poor in Deuteronomy 14:29. In other words, they were expected to remain among the poor and humble. See comments on the third tithe.
Tithe-advocates totally ignore the clear declared purpose in the tithing statute/ordinance of Numbers 18 and keep repeating their devised purpose that the tithe is to “acknowledge God’s ownership of everything.” Though their supplanted purpose may sound good, it is not biblical. Few, if any, tithing sermons are preached from Numbers 18:20-29.
7. THE FIRST LEVITICAL TITHE: The tithe of Leviticus 27:30-34 and Numbers 18:20-29 was very different from the modern teaching of tithing. It was divided into two categories. The first whole 10% did not go to the priests who ministered at the altar (Numb 18:20-24; Neh. 10:37b). Instead it went to the Levite-servants to the priests who functioned as bakers, singers, musicians, guards, animal skinners, janitors, builders, craftsmen and treasurers in the sanctuary/temple. King David also used them as judges, rulers and politicians (Numbers 3; 1st Chronicles, chapters 23 to 26). This is certainly not taught today as it seriously changes modern tithing concepts.
According to Numbers 18:25-28 and Nehemiah 10:38, the Levites, in turn, gave their best tenth of their tenth (1%) to the priests who ministered at the altar. God was their unique inheritance and their unique part. The tithe ended there; priests did not tithe. For obvious reasons, this is also not taught today. While priests were not commanded to tithe, they were evidently expected to give freewill vow offerings (Malachi 1:7-14). The main income of priests was not from tithes; it was from freewill offerings (Numbers 18 all; Nehemiah 10:35-38). Today all believers are priests (1 Peter 2:9-10; Rev 5:10) and priests did not tithe. This fact should have a profound impact on post Calvary giving principles.
Also, tithe-advocates do not include Leviticus 27:34 in their sermons, “These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in Mount Sinai.” They only preach from their greatly distorted versions of 27:30-33. It is obvious why they omit 27:34 from its context of 27:30-33. It limits the tithe of Moses, Nehemiah, Malachi and Jesus to Old Covenant Israel.
8. NO INHERITANCE OR SHARE: God forbade Levites and priests who received the first whole tithe from owning property in his land or receiving any other inheritances. He also forbade them from sharing wealth with other Hebrews (“no portion among them”). This Bible fact is found an amazing 12 times in (Numb 18:20, 26; Deut 10:9; 12:12; 14:27, 29; 18:1; Josh 13:14, 33; 14:3; 18:7; Eze 44:28). Evidently God meant what He said to repeat it so often! If gospel workers want to preach tithing principles, this one should definitely be included! Even if tithes were New Covenant they would first go to the deacons, singers, musicians and builders who vaguely correspond to Old Covenant Levites and the minister would only get a tenth of their tithe.

Christianity Etc › Re: Let No Man Deceive You About Tithe, TITHE Is God Commadment by nicemuyoo: 8:42pm On Dec 16, 2017

donduzek:
1. The first tithe (Gen. 14:19–20)
And he blessed him and said,
“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Possessor of heaven and earth;
and blessed be God Most High,
who has delivered your enemies into your hand!”
And Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
Abram had just returned from defeating the armies of the four kings, rescuing his nephew Lot, and reclaiming his possessions, and he’s met by an enigmatic priest of God Most High named Melchizedek. The priest attributes Abram’s victory to God—possessor of heaven and earth—and he blesses Abram.
In gratitude to God’s authority and blessing, Abram gives Melchizedek a tenth of his possessions. He doesn’t do it to invoke God’s blessing; he does it in response to God’s blessing.

2. Jacob offers a tithe (Gen. 28:20–22)
Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat and clothing to wear, so that I come again to my father’s house in peace, then the Lord shall be my God, and this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, shall be God’s house. And of all that you give me I will give a full tenth to you.”
Jacob responds to a dream he has received from God by building an altar and vowing that, in exchange for God’s care and provision, he would give God a tenth of his belongings.

3. The tithe is introduced as law (Lev. 27:30–34)
Every tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the trees, is the Lord’s; it is holy to the Lord. If a man wishes to redeem some of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it. And every tithe of herds and flocks, every tenth animal of all that pass under the herdsman’s staff, shall be holy to the Lord. One shall not differentiate between good or bad, neither shall he make a substitute for it; and if he does substitute for it, then both it and the substitute shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.”
Here we see Moses giving the tithe as a law. The first 10 percent is called “holy,” or set apart, as belonging to God. The Israelites were to return to God what was already his, and in doing so, recognize the Almighty’s provision.
If for some reason someone needed to “redeem” or keep all or a portion of the goods he was to tithe, he could just give money instead. However, the cash would need to be equal to the tithe’s value, plus an extra fifth. In other words, Israelites could give 10 percent in produce, or 12 percent in cash.
When it came to livestock, a shepherd had to set aside every tenth for God. It was decided by simply counting the animals and consecrating every tenth. The shepherd was not to be deciding based on the quality of the animal.

4. Tithes established for the Levites (Num. 18:21)
To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting
The Levites served a special function in Israel; they ministered before God as Israel’s priests. At God’s command, the Levites didn’t share in the other tribes’ inheritance. The Lord was their portion and inheritance (v. 21).
Here we see the Lord establishing that Israel’s tithe would operate as payment to the Levitical priests for their services.

5. The Levite’s tithe (Num. 18:26)
Moreover, you shall speak and say to the Levites, “When you take from the people of Israel the tithe that I have given you from them for your inheritance, then you shall present a contribution from it to the Lord, a tithe of the tithe.”
From the income that the Levites received from the tithe, they were still responsible for giving 10 percent off the top to God.

6. Offerings and tithes (Deut. 12:5–6)
But you shall seek the place that the Lord your God will choose out of all your tribes to put his name and make his habitation there. There you shall go, and there you shall bring your burnt offerings and your sacrifices, your tithes and the contribution that you present, your vow offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock.

7. Tithing for festivals (Deut. 14:22)
“You shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year. And before the Lord your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always.”
By God’s design, the Israelites were a celebratory people. Part of their tithe went to preparing for festivals and celebrations!

8. Bringing in the tithe (2 Chron. 31:4–5)
And he commanded the people who lived in Jerusalem to give the portion due to the priests and the Levites, that they might give themselves to the Law of the Lord. As soon as the command was spread abroad, the people of Israel gave in abundance the firstfruits of grain, wine, oil, honey, and of all the produce of the field. And they brought in abundantly the tithe of everything.
Because we trade almost exclusively in currency, it’s fascinating to consider what it would be like in a largely cashless society. How do you tithe when tithing means setting aside 10 percent of your grain, wine, oil, honey, and produce?
Bringing in your tithe is quite an affair when you realize that it entails exacting division of actual goods and livestock, and then the responsibility of bringing them to the storehouse.

9. Nehemiah reestablishes the tithe (Neh. 10:35–37)
We obligate ourselves to bring the firstfruits of our ground and the firstfruits of all fruit of every tree, year by year, to the house of the Lord; also to bring to the house of our God, to the priests who minister in the house of our God, the firstborn of our sons and of our cattle, as it is written in the Law, and the firstborn of our herds and of our flocks; and to bring the first of our dough, and our contributions, the fruit of every tree, the wine and the oil, to the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and to bring to the Levites the tithes from our ground, for it is the Levites who collect the tithes in all our towns where we labor.
Nehemiah is known for rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem as part of God’s plan to restore Israel after a 70-year captivity. Preparing God’s people for temple worship in their homeland required a reorientation to the worship rhythms in the life of an Israelite.
At this point, many Israelites had lived their entire lives in captivity. And while the stories and traditions were kept alive verbally, they no longer knew what it was like to live under the law. Here we have the reestablishment of the Law in regards to offerings and tithes.
Even with this preparation, Nehemiah finds that the Levites aren’t receiving the portion of the tithes that are to be sustaining them (Neh. 13:10).

10. The principles of plenty (Prov. 3:9–10)
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce; then your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will be bursting with wine.
If the world and everything in it truly belong to the Lord, why wouldn’t this principle be true? This isn’t the only time that the Lord promises Israel that he’ll reward generosity with plenty (Deut. 15:10; Prov. 11:25; Malachi 3:8–12).
The challenge is that one must have the faith to give sacrificially to see if the Lord keeps his word.

11. The robbing of God (Mal. 3:8–9)
Will man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say, “How have we robbed you?” In your tithes and contributions. You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you.
Throughout the Old Testament, an offering was something you gave, but the tithe was something you owed. It belonged to the Lord and it was repaid—it wasn’t a gift. On top of the importance of recognizing God’s sovereignty in the tithe, the whole priestly system relied on the tithe to stay functional.
Of particular interest here is the how the withholding of some in Israel put the whole nation at risk of God’s judgment.

12. Testing God in the tithe (Mal. 3:10–12)
Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need. I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of your soil, and your vine in the field shall not fail to bear, says the Lord of hosts. Then all nations will call you blessed, for you will be a land of delight, says the Lord of hosts.
In his mercy, God desperately wants to use the carrot rather than the stick. If he can, he’ll try to get his people to respond to promises of blessing for their obedience instead of having to bring the hammer of judgement down.
In verse 10, the Lord reiterates the problem; the storehouses are empty. If they would only be compliant, there would not only be a full larder, but they would experience an overabundance of provision and freedom from want. Their abundance would also be proof that God was in Israel, making them the envy of nations.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Let No Man Deceive You About Tithe, TITHE Is God Commadment by nicemuyoo: 8:41pm On Dec 16, 2017

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The bible verses mentioned below has been twisted and abused to support tithing. I would give you the true scriptural interpretation of it not the twisted theological version of it preached in churches. Jesus asked to see the coin they used for payment. He said whose property his this? Caesars. Who's inscription is on it? Caesars . who has authority over this coin / who created this coin? Caesars. So the money belongs to Caesar it is his creation. So this monetary note has nothing to do with God , God does not want it, it is a creation of man for mankind, so give it to Caesar if he demands for it! But give unto God was he demands your soul, heart, love, obedience, worship, your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable which is truth worship. GOD a spiritual external being demands all this things. David said silver and Gold , riches he does not want.
There is a difference between theological teachings and truth scriptures; that you have to understand if you want to know the truth and accept it.

4They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15“Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.

quote author=Desyner post=63343012]Canal minds may not get this but tithers enjoy flow of ideas and special grace to actualize same. The fact that a non-tither prosper doesn't mean tithing is void practice. True prosperity is reflected in the spirit and not in physical so it may be hard to understand tithing.[/quote]

Christianity Etc › Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by nicemuyoo: 7:08pm On Dec 16, 2017

He fed 5000 people with two fish and 5 loaves of bread. The disciples said master that is all we have not even enough to feed twelve men. . He performed a miracle and the food was multiplied into thousands.
As I said he survived on basic necessities of life even though he can creat wealth, food etc out of nothing! He would not abuse that power to gratify the lust of the eye, flesh and pride of life which 99% of pastors are after.
When he was tempted by the devil- turn this stone into bread, he was hungry he did not do it because that is abuse of power!
Remember the story of the Samaritan woman , Jesus was sitting by the well waiting for the disciples who have gone in search of food to buy. He was thirsty and he asked the woman for a drink by the well.
He had to walk long distance on foot most times. Have you not heard what Isaiah prophesied about Jesus charater/ appearance?? Well I would throw a bit of light on it as I have never heard any pastor preach about it.

Isaiah 53- a vivid description of the appearance and life of Jesus a prophecy of Isaiah about him.

2He grew up before him like a tender shoot,

and like a root out of dry ground( poverty in terms of money, provision, )

He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.(He was not an handsome, Fresh looking man, he has grew up in hardship)

3He was despised and rejected by mankind,( the general rich, elite population despise him as an uneducated poor fellow)

a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.( someone that is not used to luxury life and convenience )

Like one from whom people hide their faces

he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.( not a celebrity like pastors of today)
This are scriptural prophecy from Isaiah and that was what happened to him in is life time.

Well church theologians (pastors) don't teach you that do They??

Dan1cole:
hmm ... No argument he came from the poor and low, but he never remained poor or low now did he?
Poor people don't offer to buy food for 5000 people. And like I said before I find it very hard to believe that 12 sensible men left their day jobs to follow a poor man who'd have nothing to offer.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Open Message To Daddy Freeze And His Supporters by nicemuyoo: 11:28pm On Dec 15, 2017

Jesus was a grassroot preacher, fact! Jesus was not a rich preacher when he was alive by human standard. His followers where now elites. He himself was from very poor background. Have you read your bible properly and let it interpret itself not the other way round huh

. They could not even afford to pay for his birth rite ceremony. They have to opt for a poor man's ceremonial option( according to mosaic law). When they asked him to pay temple tax a small token where did he get the money from ? From the mouth of a fish. He only had what he needed not excess and luxury. I don't know Why preachers are making up stories about Jesus being rich during his life time, some even say the robe on him before crucifixion was a very expensive WHEN THIS ROPE WAS PUT ON HIM BY THE ROMANS TO MOCK HIM . When you check your scriptures you discover it was not his own originally so don't claim he was rich.
When he wanted a room for last supper did he pay for it.
The truth is Jesus came from a very poor location, very poor family, and had disciples that were not learned , ordinary poor everyday people.
Have you not heard the saying can anything good come out Nazareth! The lowest of the low!!
Continue to deceive yourselves and twist scriptures. The scriptures and historical facts remain unchanged.

Dan1cole:
Err ... Jesus was never a grassroot preacher. And poor men don't have accountants. Neither can a poor man sustain 12 men. And also, no one leaves his day job to follow a poor man (who has nothing to offer).

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