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The offerings in that verse referred to the tithe of the tithe which the levites bring to the temple Leviticus 18:26. Not the freewill offering you need to study this scripture properly and stop following theology . They are two different things.
"Speak to the Levites and say to them: 'When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the LORD's offering.
[qquote author=salvation101 post=62944603] y derailing the thread? This thread isn't about tithing. There are several threads on tithing Infact i created one some days back.. Where there is usually misunderstanding among Christians is in the area of tithe, no true beliver will argue about offering. Mal 3 didn't just mention robbing God in tithes alone but in tithes and offering.. So why pick only tithe to talk about? Why not offering? As a matter of fact in churches where tithing is preached, 80% of the congregation aren't faithful with it so why d so much fuss about it? Tell me where giving offering is wrong according to ur Bible[/quote]

Tithe is agricultural produce under the law . It has never been used for church buildings or buying anything at all for church use. It is for feeding levites widows, orphans etc. And that was under old covenant arrangement.
Money has been used for transactions before Abraham so no twisting of scriptures. The law was in effect while Jesus was alive that was why he commanded the healed leper to go and do rituals with two birds etc at temple. So tithing under law was in full effect write up to his death.

jaykaybaba:
I guess you get it wrong is better to get the complete information before getting broadcasting was the man of GOD did not say. I attended the program and what was said is Tithe is GOD command for prosperity and it you don't want God prosperity you can decide not to pay. Also mention that if you are saying some men of God usually spend your tithe or steal it, He said he is not disputing that but if you decide that you don't want to pay to the house of God then you go and pay your tithe to God himself now if you know his address....So since you don't know the address of God what you need to do is do your part to pay it the his church to command God blessing upon yourself.

Also said that some great men have even grown more than 10% to 25%,and even 90% and you will be wondering how this people are successful just because they know the secret of tithe and giving.......................TO BE CONTINUE

The bible verses mentioned below has been twisted and abused to support tithing. I would give you the true scriptural interpretation of it not the twisted theological version of it preached in churches. Jesus asked to see the coin they used for payment. He said whose property his this? Caesars. Who's inscription is on it? Caesars . who has authority over this coin / who created this coin? Caesars. So the money belongs to Caesar it is his creation. So this monetary note has nothing to do with God , God does not want it, it is a creation of man for mankind, so give it to Caesar if he demands for it! But give unto God was he demands your soul, heart, love, obedience, worship, your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable which is truth worship. GOD a spiritual external being demands all this things. David said silver and Gold , riches he does not want.
There is a difference between theological teachings and truth scriptures; that you have to understand if you want to know the truth and accept it.

4They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15“Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.

There is a clear difference between scriptural-historical truth and theological teachings on tithe/ tithing and various other topics. Today i would be mentioning some conclusive statement on tithing based on scriptures and historical facts.
1. Tithe are natural agricultural produce and never money. You 're allow to covert It to money under certain circumstances but you must convert back to acceptable agricultural produce before paying your tithe. If you don't you have to pay a penalty fine on top of your tithe money and once paid it s converted back to food by levies in charge. This was to discourage money tithing.
2. The tithe was a tax system to cater for levites( administrators, judges, teachers etc), widows, orphans, strangers etc. 
3. Only increase from selected natural produces from the land of Isreal are acceptable as tithe .you can not pay tithe on from produce from another land 
4. A carpenter, farm labourer, fisherman etc do not tithe. Disciples, jesus, never paid tithe. Only people with farmland and livestocks paid tithe on their increase.
5. The tithe is never used for anything other than to feed levites, widows, orphans etc.never used for temple/ church building or any other services. It is an abomination. 
6. Temples/ services are run with temple tax a token contribution from each adult. Building is done by voluntary participation and donations.
7. Only a priest/ levites/ tithers/ less privileged eg widows are allowed to enjoy the tithe.
8. Today all who have accepted salvation are priest of the most high , we have one HIGH PRIEST, THE MESSIAH HIMSELF.
9. Tithe was never collected in the early churches. BUT was introduced by roman Catholic church to fund building of huge cathedrals and to pay fat salaries to priest/ bishops. It was Actually imposed on people backed by government law. It was a polished after a public revolt by the people.. It was also abolished in UK after a massive riot. The historic peasant riot.
10. This tithe system was adopted by many countries in Europe to cater for less priviledge in the society hence benefit payments/ food stamps etc. This is completely absent in many African countries today.
Folks know the truth and it would set you free.

You are wrong tithing is never money. This tithing was reintroduced by the Roman Catholic church and passed as compulsory with the backing of Roman authority it was later repealed by the population in a revolt/ riot. This also happened in UK. the tithe in old covenant time was used simply to feed levities, widows, orphans etc. Not for church buildings or buying anything because it is food . Stop twisting scriptures and discard theological theories.

Interesting15:
You are mixing things up sir.

I said it is very good to give to the poor and they
orphans (even the Bible asked us to do so)

But Tithing is different. Tithing is setting apart one-tenth of what you have, and giving it to God (by contributing it in the house of God)

What the leaders in the church does with it is not your business. Your own is to obey God and enjoy His blessings.

Between, if you don't have trust in your church leaders, in regards to how they spend church money. You can go to some churches that are transparent in regards to how they spend money, who uses tithe monies for the expansion of the gospel.

As far as my tithe is used for the expansion of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the good Lord who died for my sins, I'm happy.

Pls stop calling it tithing then .It is simply donations. It is voluntary, it is not to tithe and don't ever appropriate bible passages on tithing to voluntary giving or donation. It is called false teachings.
It does not have to be 10% and it should be done discreetly with right motivation towards right course or else you give in vain!

Money has been in use before the time if Abraham my dear .

hadow:
are u forgetting that their income was of land and cattle and it was with the roman influence that money came to be used

You are mistakened the spirit behind tithe is to Give to the poor levies don't work, has no inheretance so are poor. Widows, orphans, strangers are the poor of the society. Look at the verses below and stop teaching theology start teaching scriptural truth.
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.James 1:27

43I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44“Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ 45“Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Matt 25:43-46

Interesting15:
Giving to orphanage is something veryyyyyy good that should be encouraged. However, take note that it doesn't mean you are paying tithe, because you aren't going towards the directions of the scriptures.

Tithe consist of agricultural produce that MUST come only from the boundaries of the land of Isreal. Tithe is not money!!! Tithe is ONLY used to cater for the levies, widows, orphans, stranger and the tither never for church buildings. That was in the old covenant law.
Tithe is not applicable today but the spirit of free will offerings applies done with right motivation and in secret not for public knowledge as clearly instructed by the messiah himself or else you don't get any blessing for it from God only mens approval and praise

hadow:
I don't get your point is your point that we should not pay tithe or it is not compulsory

You are completely mistaken there is no 1st and second coming of yahshua there only one and final coming when he gathers he saints at the last trumpet sound all eyes shall see him.. Stop teaching theological theories and go back to real scriptural facts. This fase teaching came to light in 1800s. Peter, john, paul and early church never taught this false teachings.

Interesting15:
Many Christians are yet to have an appropriate knowledge about the Rapture and The Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and there are some Christians who are even thinking they are the same.

First of all, we need to know that The Rapture and The Second Coming are two different events that will happen at different times.

The Rapture (from the Latin verb 'rapere', which means 'to transport from one place to another') is the catching up of all believers for a glorious meeting with Christ in the air.

"Behold I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." (1 Corinthians 15:51-53).

Also see 1 Thessalonians chapter 4: 15-17

So, The Rapture comes first, and is an event whereby the Lord Jesus comes for His Saints (dead and living), and we shall meet Him in the air.

The Saints are those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of their lives and are living in holiness. The Saints are those that are living a CONSISTENT holy and godly lifestyle, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. They are the ones who will be transformed to meet Jesus in the air, while unbelievers and lukewarm Christians will be left behind.

Now, after the rapture, the Saints will proceed into the sky to participate in the marriage feast of the Lamb, where rewards would be given to everyone present according to his/her deeds on earth.

What Happens To Those Left Behind?

Immediately after the rapture, the Great Tribulation will begin, and the Antichrist will be given power to torment those left behind. The Antichrist will force people to receive the mark of the beast (666) either on their forehead or arm.

Those that won't receive it would be vehemently tormented: They won't be able to buy and sell, they will suffer violent persecutions with no one to help. And according to the graphic illustration given by the Lord Jesus about the Great Tribulation (Matthew 24:15-28), many won't be able to withstand the torments for long (that is, they can't help but to receive the mark of the beast)

BUT: THOSE THAT WILL RECEIVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST WILL BE ETERNALLY DAMNED IN THE LAKE OF FIRE AT THE APPOINTED TIME.

Don't forget that while the tribulation is taking place on earth, the Saints that have been raptured are with Jesus Christ in the sky enjoying the marriage supper as well as their rewards.

THEN: At the end of the marriage supper in the sky and the Tribulation on earth, THE SECOND COMING will take place.

The Second Coming is the public revelation of Jesus Christ, when He comes WITH HIS SAINTS (those who have been previously raptured and have participated in the marriage supper in the sky) to set up the Millennium (see 1 Thessalonians 3:13 and Matthew 24: 29-31)

Here, those who have suffered just because they won't take the mark of the beast during the Great Tribulation, will now have a new hope.

My Advice:

Jesus said the day and hour of these events are not known, but will happen anytime, and it will come like a thief in the night. He gave us some signs we should watch out for, and if you look at the scriptures, you will see the signs keeps coming to pass (Please see Mark 13:

That means, if Jesus Christ can predict those things and TRUELY, they keeps coming to pass, then His promise of the rapture and second coming will also come to pass!

So, if you are yet to receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior, please do so now, as tommorow might be too late.

And for we that are already Christians, let us allow the belief that Jesus will return one day, to guide us within godly conducts.

How sure are you that you can withstand the torment of the Antichrist during the great tribulation? The best thing for you is to live a lifestyle of holiness that will make you rapturable with Jesus Christ, and go on with Him to enjoy the marriage supper.

The Lord asked me to tell you this:

"I stand at the door, I cometh, I cometh" Thus saith the Lord Of Host!

The bible verses mentioned below has been twisted and abused to support tithing. I would give you the true scriptural interpretation of it not the twisted theological version of it preached in churches. Jesus asked to see the coin they used for payment. He said whose property his this? Caesars. Who's inscription is on it? Caesars . who has authority over this coin / who created this coin? Caesars. So the money belongs to Caesar it is his creation. So this monetary note has nothing to do with God , God does not want it, it is a creation of man for mankind, so give it to Caesar if he demands for it! But give unto God was he demands your soul, heart, love, obedience, worship, your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable which is truth worship. GOD a spiritual external being demands all this things. David said silver and Gold , riches he does not want.
There is a difference between theological teachings and truth scriptures; that you have to understand if you want to know the truth and accept it.

4They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15“Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.

The bible verses mentioned above has been twisted and abused to support tithing. I would give you the true scriptural interpretation of it not the twisted theological version of it preached in churches. Jesus asked to see the coin they used for payment. He said whose property his this? Caesars. Who's inscription is on it? Caesars . who has authority over this coin / who created this coin? Caesars. So the money belongs to Caesar it is his creation. So this monetary note has nothing to do with God , God does not want it, it is a creation of man for mankind, so give it to Caesar if he demands for it! But give unto God was he demands your soul, heart, love, obedience, worship, your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable which is truth worship. GOD a spiritual external being demands all this things. David said silver and Gold , riches he does not want.
There is a difference between theological teachings and truth scriptures; that you have to understand if you want to know the truth and accept it.

4They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15“Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.

The bible verse you just quote I would give you the true scriptural interpretation of it. You have twisted scriptures to sooth your point. Jesus asked to see the coin they used for payment. He said whose property his this? Caesars. Who's inscription is on it? Caesars . who has authority over this coin / who created this coin? Caesars. So this monetary note has nothing to do with God , God does not want it, it is a creation of man for mankind.so give it to Caesar if he demands It! But give unto God was he demands your soul, heart, love, obedience, worship, your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable which is truth worship. GOD a spiritual external being demands all this things. David said silver and Gold , riches he does not want.
There is a difference between theological teachings and truth scriptures; that you have to understand if you want to know the truth and accept it.

4They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15“Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.
[qu2ote author=hadow post=62938917]I just read Freeze's opinion on tithe and I feel it is poppycock. didn't Abraham pay tithe to Melchizedek, was he a levite. pls endeavour to read Hebrews 7:5-10 the verse talks about Levi paying tithe to Melchizedek through the loins of Abraham.
lest we forget when the Pharisees came to ask Jesus about tax he said give into Cesar what belongs to Cesar and give unto God what belongs to God and tithing is of God malachai 3.
NB: this is nothing but my honest opinion.[/quote]

Tithe can only be used to take care of levites( bloodline) and strangers, widows, orphans. It is an abomination to use tithe for project, church building etc it is against scriptural truth. It is called misappropriation and it becomes a sin. The tithe was never used for building temple, churches or buy anything. Temple building was done by voluntary donations. Tithe is agricultural produce by the way. There is a difference between theological teaching and scriptural and historical fact that is what people need to understand.

Tithe can only be used to take care of levites( bloodline) and strangers, widows, orphans. It is an abomination to use tithe for project, church building etc it is against scriptural truth. It is called misappropriation and it becomes a sin. The tithe was never used for building temple, churches or buy anything. Tempo building was done by voluntary donations. Tithe is agricultural produce by the way. There is a difference between theological teaching and scriptural and historical fact that is what people need to understand.
[qquote author=UbanmeUdie post=62928535]



My father! My father!!

Ride on sir!

Tithing dates far back before the Mosaic law. It is a covenant practice born out of revelation and insight into the deep things of God.

Father Abraham gave tithes.
Jacob gave his tithe.

And if we are Abraham's children and are now partakers of Abraham's blessings, then we must equally engage the deeds of Abraham (Hebrews 7).

Many are busy shouting, "we are now under grace, and not under the law, therefore the law should be done away with". Is this only regarding tithing?

I hope grace has now nullified the law that says thou shall not kill, thou shall not commit fornication, thou shall not lie, thou shall not worship any other god besides me, etc.

Many have become abusers of grace because they don't understand what grace is and what it has come to do.

Grace is the divine ability to do God's will without limitation where ordinarily, men would fail. Grace rides on the wheels of Mercy.

It is this mercy (divine pardon) that everyone enjoys today as a result of the blood that Jesus shed on Calvary. That is why, when many ought to have died instantly after committing a sin, they live on. Mercy suspends at outright almost instant consequence for sin and gives many chances for repentance.


The death of Jesus didn't abolish tithing because if it does, then it also abolished the sin of murder, idolatory and fornication.

His death only grants us divine pardon from the immediate consequences of sin.


I stand with Daddy G.O[/quote]

Yes as defined by scriptures not theology . They are two different things. And the tithe is not valid today anymore.

Jesusgirl92:
So if I don't farm, I shouldn't pay tithe.... Tithings are for farmers alone

Well the fact is only levite bloodlines can collect tithe under the old covenant law.
A tithe is must be from an agrcultural increase from the land of Isreal. Not any other land boundary.
Wages are paid as money so are non titheable item, but feel free to help by donating to the needy or any other organisation providing for peoples directly. This should be done quietly with the right motive not in public show as instructed by the MASTER and you would receive your reward in full.
You can

analize701:
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew:23:23
If it is from my wages i pay Tithe from, what then i will use in Tithing?

Mints are a family of crop my dear spearmint, peppermint etc.so mints are not money he made a list of cash crops lol mostly flavouring crops. You see scriptures speaks for itself. As I said I don't talk theological garbage I talk pure scriptures[/quote]

nicemuyoo:
Mints are a family of crop my dear speaking, peppermint etc.so mints are money he made a list of cash crops lol mostly favouring crops

Mints are a family of crop my dear speaking, peppermint etc.so mints are money he made a list of cash crops lol mostly favouring crops

Jesusgirl92:
Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Mint means coins of gold and silver (money used as at then)... Hope you know.

There is no deceiving here you can easily look up that fact on your phone in split seconds. Only quoted to show you that tithe is not MONEY.
when the messiah was alive he walk this earth under the law of Moses. The law was in full effect so when He heals a leper he commands him to go and show himself to the priest and carry out cleansing rituals accordi g to the law the ritual involves the use of two birds; hyssop, cedar wood etc.
The question is why would the messiah ask him to go and do rituals?? Because the law has to be fufiled. After His death, did His disciples ask anyone to do rituals again? Well as I said we a not talking school of theology here we are talking pure scriptural truth

Jesusgirl92:
Was that where Matthew 23:23 ended?? You want to make it look like Jesus condemned the pharisees for paying tithe of mint and anise and cumin when that was not the case. Na me u want deceive with half gospel?? Sorry dear... It didn't work. Matthew 23:23 even showed that agricultural produce were not the only things used to pay tithe...

Tithe is agricultural produce. The onlycondition under which tithe is converted into money;
1. When you want to redeem you tithe which means you want to pay cash not your agricultural produce; then you pay a penalty fee which is a percentage of you tithe in addition to monetary value of the tithe. This helps to discourage people given money as tithe. The money in this case is converted back not agricultural produce to distribute among levites/ priest/ orphans/ widows.
2. When the tithe is too heavy and you leave too far from Jerusalem then you can convert tithe to money for easy transportation but not allowed to present it at the temple .It has to be converted back into agricultural produce (tithe) before it is presented as tithe in the temple.
Money is not acceptable.

I have done this research over years. So when I make conclusive statements the bible would only confirm it. I don't talk school of theology , i only talk scriptures and historical facts.

petra1:
Nice question. Besides God gave room for money to be given in place of unacceptable things . Also people still have option for cash

Tithe is only acceptable as food.if your tithe is too heavy to carry and you leave far from Jerusalem you are allowed to change it into money but once you get to Jerusalem you are not allowed to pay money in temple.you must convert money back to acceptable agricultural produce before paying tithe hence levites/ money changers etc started taking advantage of the situation. Set up a market solely for this inside the temple ( Well that is another topic entirely)
Below are the some bible verses showing tithe is not money.
Tithe Texts Which Reveal Its Limited Contents

Lev. 27:30, 32 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD’s. It is holy to the LORD…. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passes under the rod, the tenth shall be holy to the LORD.

Num. 18:27 And this your heave offering shall be reckoned to you, as though it were the grain of the threshing-floor, and as the fullness of the wine-press.

Num. 18:28 Thus you also shall offer a heave offering to the LORD of all your tithes, which you receive of the children of Israel; and you shall give thereof the LORD’s heave offering to Aaron the priest.

Deut 12:17 You may not eat within your gates the tithe of your grain, or of your wine, or of your oil

Deut. 14:22 You shall truly tithe all the increase of your seed, that the field brings forth year by year.

Deut. 14:23 And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name, the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the first offspring of your herds and of your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

Deut. 26:12 When you have made an end of tithing all the tithes of your increase [produce: NIV, RSV] the third year, which is the year of tithing, and have given it to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within your gates, and be filled.

2 Chron. 31:5 And as soon as the commandment was circulated, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of grain, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the fields; and the tithe of all things they brought in abundantly.

2 Chron. 31:6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that lived in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated to the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps.[4]

Neh. 10:37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, to the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God, and the tithes of our ground to the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.

Neh. 13:5 And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where previously they laid the grain offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the grain, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters, and the ­ offerings of the priests.

Mal. 3:10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat [food] in my house.

Matt. 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin….

Jesusgirl92:
Scripture please(that defines tithes as agricultural produce)...

From the defination of tithe of you read your bible very well tithe are agricultural produce specifically from land of Isreal. They are not wages as in money paid workers. Even the scribes and Pharisees only tithe agricultural produce. Fish produce is not acceptable as tithe.

analize701:
Lolzzz, you said your points are conclusive, yet you ran from top to finish without one single Scripture.

Pls show where it says the following people don't Tithe.

[bA carpenter, farm labourer, fisherman etc do not tithe. Disciples, jesus, never paid tithe. Only people with farmland and livestocks paid tithe on their increase.[/b]

There is a clear difference between scriptural-historical truth and theological teachings on tithe/ tithing and various other topics. Today i would be mentioning some conclusive statement on tithing based on scriptures and historical facts.
1. Tithe are natural agricultural produce and never money. You 're allow to covert It to money under certain circumstances but you must convert back to acceptable agricultural produce before paying your tithe. If you don't you have to pay a penalty fine on top of your tithe money and once paid it s converted back to food by levies in charge. This was to discourage money tithing.
2. The tithe was a tax system to cater for levites( administrators, judges, teachers etc), widows, orphans, strangers etc. 
3. Only increase from selected natural produces from the land of Isreal are acceptable as tithe .you can not pay tithe on from produce from another land 
4. A carpenter, farm labourer, fisherman etc do not tithe. Disciples, jesus, never paid tithe. Only people with farmland and livestocks paid tithe on their increase.
5. The tithe is never used for anything other than to feed levites, widows, orphans etc.never used for temple/ church building or any other services. It is an abomination. 
6. Temples/ services are run with temple tax a token contribution from each adult. Building is done by voluntary participation and donations.
7. Only a priest/ levites/ tithers/ less privileged eg widows are allowed to enjoy the tithe.
8. Today all who have accepted salvation are priest of the most high , we have one HIGH PRIEST, THE MESSIAH HIMSELF.
9. Tithe was never collected in the early churches. BUT was introduced by roman Catholic church to fund building of huge cathedrals and to pay fat salaries to priest/ bishops. It was Actually imposed on people backed by government law. It was a polished after a public revolt by the people.. It was also abolished in UK after a massive riot. The historic peasant riot.
10. This tithe system was adopted by many countries in Europe to cater for less priviledge in the society hence benefit payments/ food stamps etc. This is completely absent in many African countries today.
Folks know the truth and it would set you free.

analize701:
Pls, if you come in here and are interested in presenting your points, pls do so with scriptures not empty baseless points. thank you

As a Christian, should i pay Tithe? and to who?

This question will follow another question which will lead me to answering the question. The question is, As a Christian, am i a Seed of Abraham?

What does Gal 3: 7, 9 say? Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Now, as Seeds of Abraham by virtue of our Faith in Christ, are we, or should we be partakers of the Promise made to Him by YHWH?

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Galatians:3:8-9

The above Scripture says, I'm Justified by Faith to be a Seed of Abraham.

As Children and Seeds of Abraham through faith in Christ, are we included in the ordinances of the Covenant made by God with Abraham?

Is Tithing One of such ordinances?

Was Tithing part of the law of Moses? Or, Did Tithing originate with Levi?

Tithing is not part of the law given to Moses, Precedes and transcends the Dispensation of the Law given to Moses.

Tithing began here and Levi or Moses wasn't born yet.
Genesis:14:18-20
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Levi who was given the office of the priesthood to take Tithes was a third generation descendant of Abraham who Paid Tithe to Melchizedek the High Priest of the Most High God.

Who was Melchizedek?

Where did he come from to take Tithe from Abraham?

Where did he go after that? because no one ever heard of him again after that.

It says, he was the King of Salam. Where was this kingdom of salem?

Was it an Earthly Kingdom?

Salem means peace. So, he was the King of Peace.

Abraham paid Tithe to this High Priest, and that act was recognised by YHWH, long before Levi the great grand son of Abraham was born.

TO BE CONT.

There is a clear difference between scriptural-historical truth and theological teachings on tithe/ tithing and various other topics. Today i would be mentioning some conclusive statement on tithing based on scriptures and historical facts.
1. Tithe are natural agricultural produce and never money. You 're allow to covert It to money under certain circumstances but you must convert back to acceptable agricultural produce before paying your tithe. If you don't you have to pay a penalty fine on top of your tithe money and once paid it s converted back to food by levies in charge. This was to discourage money tithing.
2. The tithe was a tax system to cater for levites( administrators, judges, teachers etc), widows, orphans, strangers etc. 
3. Only increase from selected natural produces from the land of Isreal are acceptable as tithe .you can not pay tithe on from produce from another land 
4. A carpenter, farm labourer, fisherman etc do not tithe. Disciples, jesus, never paid tithe. Only people with farmland and livestocks paid tithe on their increase.
5. The tithe is never used for anything other than to feed levites, widows, orphans etc.never used for temple/ church building or any other services. It is an abomination. 
6. Temples/ services are run with temple tax a token contribution from each adult. Building is done by voluntary participation and donations.
7. Only a priest/ levites/ tithers/ less privileged eg widows are allowed to enjoy the tithe.
8. Today all who have accepted salvation are priest of the most high , we have one HIGH PRIEST, THE MESSIAH HIMSELF.
9. Tithe was never collected in the early churches. BUT was introduced by roman Catholic church to fund building of huge cathedrals and to pay fat salaries to priest/ bishops. It was Actually imposed on people backed by government law. It was a polished after a public revolt by the people.. It was also abolished in UK after a massive riot. The historic peasant riot.
10. This tithe system was adopted by many countries in Europe to cater for less priviledge in the society hence benefit payments/ food stamps etc. This is completely absent in many African countries today.
Folks know the truth and it would set you free.

When David had opportunity to kill Saul his followers encouraged him but he said No! He cannot harm an anointed man of God. So he proceeded to confront him in front of thousands of soldiers. He rebuked him openly and Saul admitted openly that he was in the wrong! But people have twisted this scriptural passage just to shut people's mouth so they cannot ask or probe what people do or say.

When David had opportunity to kill Saul his followers encouraged him but he said No! He cannot harm an anointed man of God. So he proceeded to confront him in front of thousands of soldiers. He rebuked him openly and Saul admitted openly that he was in the wrong! But people have twisted this scriptural passage just to shut people's mouth.

kingandamy4life:
who gave you the right to question the man God anointed? you are very close to your grave if you don't decease from this attitude.
whatever they do will be judged by God and not you. Even David had an opportunity to kill Saul and he said woe be unto him to touch the anointed.
please leave them to God and face your work. the poor will remain in our midst

There is a clear difference between scriptural-historical truth and theological teachings on tithe/ tithing and various other topics. Today i would be mentioning some conclusive statement on tithing based on scriptures and historical facts.
1. Tithe are natural agricultural produce and never money. You 're allow to covert It to money under certain circumstances but you must convert back to acceptable agricultural produce before paying your tithe. If you don't you have to pay a penalty fine on top of your tithe money and once paid it s converted back to food by levies in charge. This was to discourage money tithing.
2. The tithe was a tax system to cater for levites( administrators, judges, teachers etc), widows, orphans, strangers etc.
3. Only increase from selected natural produces from the land of Isreal are acceptable as tithe .you can not pay tithe on from produce from another land
4. A carpenter, farm labourer, fisherman etc do not tithe. Disciples, jesus, never paid tithe. Only people with farmland and livestocks paid tithe on their increase.
5. The tithe is never used for anything other than to feed levites, widows, orphans etc.never used for temple/ church building or any other services. It is an abomination.
6. Temples/ services are run with temple tax a token contribution from each adult. Building is done by voluntary participation and donations.
7. Only a priest/ levites/ tithers/ less privileged eg widows are allowed to enjoy the tithe.
8. Today all who have accepted salvation are priest of the most high , we have one HIGH PRIEST, THE MESSIAH HIMSELF.
9. Tithe was never collected in the early churches. BUT was introduced by roman Catholic church to fund building of huge cathedrals and to pay fat salaries to priest/ bishops. It was Actually imposed on people backed by government law. It was a polished after a public revolt by the people.. It was also abolished in UK after a massive riot. The historic peasant riot.
10. This tithe system was adopted by many countries in Europe to cater for less priviledge in the society hence benefit payments/ food stamps etc. This is completely absent in many African countries today.
Folks know the truth and it would set you free.

bles by nicemuyoo: 11:51am

Dear All?
What would be a rough estimate cost and quantity of Nigerian cable needed to wire a ;
Four 3-bed room flat house
Four 1-bed room flat house
Cheers

topsy23:
Recently the price of cables in nigeria over shoot-up in the market. According to the manufacturers, they said the increase in price was due to dollar to naira value. Not everybody can afford this price and many people want to do their electrical installations of their various projects.

This week Nigerchin cable gave us another price list again with 7.5% increase from the original price. This would be the 4th times Nigerchin cable will increase their price this year.

Now the Questions: why increase in price again when there is stability in the dollar to naira value?
Can't government regulate the price of cables?
Is there any regulatory body assigned to the company producing cables in Nigeria?
Are they importing raw materials to Nigeria?

Not everybody can afford the recent of market price of cables.

The worst part of it now is that there a lot of fake cables in the market which our brothers import to the country and they are not pure copper. Its also labelled Nigerchin. They sell it cheaper and many people don't know. The cable is a mixture of alloy and aluminium.

Recently, Nairaland user called me to come and rectify/solve a problem in a newly completed project that they just moved in. During the troubleshooting to know the causes of breakers tripping-off, we discovered that fake cables were used. Most of the insulation have peeled-off and neutral cables is having contact with live cable. Thank God they use original breakers inside the distribution board that can trip-off when there is surge or bridging the cables if not all the cables would have got burnt. The clients confirmed to me that all the cables were all labelled NIGERCHIN not knowing that they are fake cables.

Kabelmetal and coleman yet to bring out their new rate. We don't know what tomorrow will.

I pray our incoming government to do something on this.

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Dear All?
What would be a rough estimate cost and quantity of Nigerian cable needed to wire a ;
Four 3-bed room flat house
Four 1-bed room flat house
Cheers

Hi all,
Pls I need a rough idea of the cost of wires/ cables installation for a house consisting of four 3-bed flats.and a house consisting of four 1-bed flats.
Thank you all

Hi Hajj,
First I would say thank you for all the write ups . Do you have an idea of rough estimate for electrical wiring of a four 3 bedroom flat and a four one be flat. Just cost of wires and pipes excluding distribution board.
Cheers