Queenisha:

The reference I made to turning water into wine was just to say that we can never understand fully how miracles occur.
And in the same way cannot understand God and his ways fully.
His ways are higher than our ways says the Bible.
God can do all things including coming down as man to save man.

I already answered you that Christ was 100% man so he felt pain and cried.
When God decided to come down and reconcile man to himself,he did not forfeit his Godly attributes.

yes i agree wt u,but dis time it was his son he sent to come down and save the world,john 3:16 clearly stated it osisi

if God comes down as God ,tell me who he will be praying to

if God was d one dat came down to save d world,who will he be calling----------father why have thou forsaken me?

God is a being of his own,dat needs nobodys recommendation before he does watever he wants to do

jesus asked and craved for God every minute of d day while on earth,and weneva he talked he always uses ------"my father" ,  "in my fathers house"

haba hes words were eli eli ma'ma sabachthani ----meaning my God my God y have thou forsaken me

john10

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

OUCH!!!!!

I'm too happy rite now.        

I love the verse 7 of that chap.
THE FATHER,THE WORD AND THE HOLYGHOST:THESE THREE ARE ONE!!!  


Lemme see how people wil stil argue even when he said it himself that THEY are one.(and we knw the WORD=JC)
Olowa whroeva come on ere baby,i gwanna see u argue

Missy B:

I am feeling this verse wella.May i add:

col 2vs 9
For by him (Jesus) were all things created

Well let me say it in NIV

By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning!

pataki how come u forgot to add the 5th verse of that chapter?

Queenisha:

Well let me say it in NIV

By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning!

Stop doing this to me
Ouch!!u want me to burst?ma spirit is charged

Lemme add:
jhn 10 vs 30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE
Werin muslims wan hear again?or is it me dat's saying dis?

rampant:

pataki how come u forgot to add the 5th verse of that chapter?

Pataki link=topic=159045.msg2640631#msg2640631 date=1218464127:

1 John 5: 5-7

5: Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6: This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.

JESUS IS GOD.

Would you like me to use the scriptures to elucidate further on Verse 5?

rampant:

yes i agree wt u,but this time it was his son he sent to come down and save the world,john 3:16 clearly stated it osisi

if God comes down as God ,tell me who he will be praying to

if God was d one that came down to save d world,who will he be calling----------father why have thou forsaken me?

God is a being of his own,that needs nobodys recommendation before he does watever he wants to do

jesus asked and craved for God every minute of d day while on earth,and weneva he talked he always uses ------"my father" ,  "in my fathers house"

haba hes words were eli eli ma'ma sabachthani ----meaning my God my God y have thou forsaken me

john10

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

I thought I answered you already.
The scriptures I quoted of the claims Jesus made of himself are right there in your own Bible.
He felt pain because he was 100% human and in his human nature cried out to God who is not human.
[b]Like I said,it is a mystery and so the Bible says.[/b]I am not here to win an argument but to support my claim with scriptures of who the Bible says Christ is and what he says of himself.
That is enough for me.
I'm unable to throw those claims in the dumpster because I'm wondering how God cried out to God.
I might as well wonder how a virgin gave birth to a son since I'm yet to see this in all my years.

Pataki:



Would you like me to use the scriptures to elucidate further?

go ahead

i wonder wen d son of God became God

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

that is how it happened

xtians call him Lord, God, Son of God, Son of Man, and God is not the author of confusion ooo eyin lemo

javalove:

xtians The Bible calls him Lord, God, Son of God, Son of Man,

other names are the Messiah ,the word of God, the soon coming king,a friend,  the rose of sharon, the ancient of days, the alpha and the omega, beginning and the end, the saviour of the world ,the great I am, The lion of the tribe of Judah.
and many others,somebody help me

javalove:

God is not the author of confusion

Halleluyah!!A bruv is abt to be converted.

ah our dear muslim brethren further proving us right that indeed Islam cannot stand alone without struggling to contrast itself with christianity.

LMAO @david

@topic

jesus is not God,he prayed to God while on earth,he asked God for advises while on earth,he most definitely cannot be God

rampant:

go ahead

i wonder when d son of God became God

Good.

1 John 5: 5

5: Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

a. Are you an overcomer?

b. Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God?

c. Have you read from the scripture that: And we overcame him (devil) by the blood of the lamb (JESUS) and the word of our testimony?

Now Verse 6 of 1 John 5:

6: This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.


We overcame the world through our Savior Jesus Christ by the redemption power of the BLOOD which HE shed, by coming to the earth in flesh and blood as a human like you and I.

Queenisha:

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Love the scriptures

Queen
Gimme d verse again

pataki i still don't get u

we all know that jesus is d SON of God,and d only way we can get to God is through him(jesus) with our normal prayer of "in jesus name" but he's not GOD

God himself called him his son,hes the link to get to God  matthew 5:13   "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.  

it doesnt make him God

Rampant

Your argument Astonishes me!

rampant:

@topic

jesus is not God,he prayed to God while on earth,he asked God for advises while on earth,he most definitely cannot be God

Are we using the same bible? Mine says Jesus is God. John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus Christ existed before Abraham? Na bible talk am, not me.

Missy B:

Queen
Gimme d verse again

Now let me give it in "God's word translation."
are you ready sis?
You may scream .
get ready
here I go !!

The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory.

davidylan:

Are we using the same bible? Mine says Jesus is God. John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus Christ existed before Abraham? Na bible talk am, not me.

christ and his father existed even before abraham,though we all don't know about their existense,but he was d son of God ,meaning he should be before abraham,even d angles of God were there not to talk of jesus his own son


@Gamine

hit your head on d wall

I feel Jesus is the Son of God and God lived through him.

onyinye2:

I feel Jesus is the Son of God and God lived through him.

nobody is denying that fact,nobody is even arguing that one sef,but because he is d son of God does not make him God

he is our channel to get to God,hes d root that leads us to his father,but he is not his father

ROTFLMAOOOOO

oh my!!!

oh my
oh my.

Akpu pass Akpu sha

Queenisha:

Now let me give it in "God's word translation."
are you ready sis?
You may scream .
get ready
here I go !!

The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory.

Ride on sis!!
You is blessing ma soul wit these.

_SINGIN

God in three person
BLESSED TRINITY

rampant:

pataki i still don't get u

we all know that jesus is d SON of God,and d only way we can get to God is through him(jesus) with our normal prayer of "in jesus name" but he's not GOD

God himself called him his son,hes the link to get to God matthew 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

it doesnt make him God

I like your point of argument. However, I have an additional question sequel to that which I asked earlier on, and you have not answered.

d. What brought about the fall of Lucifer in the beginning?

Lucifer thought it wise to be like God.

Ordinarily that singular thought from a Spirit God-head as Lucifer brought about his down-fall. Now Jesus Christ himself when he was here on earth said, he is the way, the truth and the life. No one can come unto the Father except through HIM. Jesus said, I and my Father are one.

Logically speaking, do you not think God should have done like-wise to Jesus as he did to Lucifer? (I need your answer to this question).

rampant:

christ and his father existed even before abraham,though we all don't know about their existense,but he was d son of God ,meaning he should be before abraham,even d angles of God were there not to talk of jesus his own son

Your question isnt new, Phillip asked the very same question . . . lets see how Christ answered it.

John 14: 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

There is only ONE way the disciples could have seen the FATHER, either He was Jesus Christ or Christ was LYING about them having seen Him.

Still not satisfied, brother philip asked yet again for clarification.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us

Christ answered . . .

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Haba . . . Philip asked for THE FATHER and Christ was asking "hast thou not known ME"? He goes on further to make it plain . . . "he that hath seen ME hath seen the FATHER" . . . now how is that possible unless Jesus Himself was THE FATHER?

dis will answer ur question

pataki was  lucifer an angel or the son of God?

christ himself was quoting my father,myfather in d bible,he always reverenced his father,d glory of his father he gave to him


lucifer wanted to be a God of his own,wt his own kingdom,whereby watever contract he has wt God will be annulled or canceld,christ never for one day asked for a kingdom of his own(atleast im yet to see it in d bible) and neither did he stop obeying his father

@david

you're still going back to square one,all that we have treated

if he was God why was he always praying to God?where have u seen God praying to jesus or himself in d bible?


why was he always telling pple dat hes doing the work of his father that sent him?

im saying this for the upteenth time,he is d root and pathway to get to his father,but he is not d father,before u get to God,what r your confessions?


"i believe u sent your son to die for us"  or is it "God i believed u died for me"

the bibloe recorded it that God himself asked who will go and save d world?everybeing kept quiet,until his son walked up to him ,knelt down  and said  "father send me,i will go"  that son of his ,is our pathway to righteousness but he is not God

@Queenisha:

That is enough for me.
I'm unable to throw those claims in the dumpster because I'm wondering how God cried out to God.

Medicine. lol. I am talking to Zainab, as I am typing this response. I am baffled how those claims can stand when we see god cried out to God. lol; Am truly an altimate love. The last romantic one.

All the pundits have not been able to approach what jesus said about not be called good. But its easy for them to go about other verses. If this is the case, whats the condition of the why call me good verse? Its faaulty, false or what?

JESUS DENIED DIVINITY
Mark 10:17-18 and Luke 18:18-19
These verses are most indicative of Jesus' position and real nature. The verse in Mark reads:
"As he [Jesus] was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, 'Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone."

david and pataki look at this