Tudór:

Its indeed sad bro. There is nothing more pathetic than self deciet.

Look at the fellow making ridiculous nonsensical excuses for a crooked pastor. It takes a great deal to delude ones self to that point of pitiful disgrace.

You never know anything. You and your cohorts go soon run mad. I promise you all. You all are deliberately seeking the wrath of God. Continue and you will see the darkness that looms at the end of the tunnel.

dayokanu:

We have all stolen at some time or the other. pastor Akingbola steals from depositors, Passes on to GO Adeboye. OBJ steals from public coffers passes on to Adeboye, Oyinlola, Akala, Daniels all do the same steal money and passes on to Adeboye to buy Prayers and blessings

All of dem na tiff

Do you have proofs for all of what u just said or u are suggesting.

I doubt God would hear the prayers of a man who aids and abets looters, thieves and robbers.

hardly does 4 months go by without Adeboye having a new high profile robber in his clique. Its now a haven for conmen.

Proof that OBJ stole money or that Adeboye was OBj bosom buddy?

Proof that Akingbola stole money or that he was one of the major financier and Pastor in RCCG?

Proof that cecilia Ibru stole depositors funds or that She is a member of the 40-40 club?

or proof that Adeboye and RCCG bought a 4billion Jet?

Which proof? If I may ask?

dayokanu:

I doubt God would hear the prayers of a man who aids and abets looters, thieves and robbers.

hardly does 4 months go by without Adeboye having a new high profile robber in his clique. Its now a haven for conmen.

Proof that OBJ stole money or that Adeboye was OBj bosom buddy?

Proof that Akingbola stole money or that he was one of the major financier and Pastor in RCCG?

Proof that cecilia Ibru stole depositors funds or that She is a member of the 40-40 club?

or proof that Adeboye and RCCG bought a 4billion Jet?

Which proof? If I may ask?

Did you read it in the papers or maybe over the internet, or did you personally experience all of the aforementioned ? Some may be true, but I do not totally conform to all of your claims.

Tudór:

Dude it's obvious you've run out of excuses for your G.O as you cannot even provide a biblical example for your skewed view.

I have asked you to do this a million times, we still await that elusive scripture.

Like I said, you've tried. Let others come forward.
Next!

U are the only odd one here see how many pple that are challenging ur rantings.

@ the bolded i ve told u never to generalized. Speak for ur self man.

I will ask again which scripture? the one u believe or the one u dnt believe in? So i can post asap

cryptic:

Did you read it in the papers or maybe over the internet, or did you personally experience all of the aforementioned ? Some may be true, but I do not totally conform to all of your claims.

Kindly point out anyone you disagree with. Maybe the fact that OBj stole money to RCCG buying a 4bn Jet

And I would provide you with links.

I sincerely hope you dont know and not that you are trying to defend the indefensible

[size=20pt]Every thing about this tudor guy including sex palava  is very controversial and naughty[/size]

cryptic:

You never know anything. You and your cohorts go soon run mad. I promise you all. You all are deliberately seeking the wrath of God. Continue and you will see the darkness that looms at the end of the tunnel.

tkb417:

Thts what he learnt from Lucifer

he doesnt believe all they wrote in it, yet he wants to win arguments based on what they wrote in it

cryptic:

GBAM! You get am. That is the best definition of what this man has been doing all these while.

cryptic:

Don't you ever get tired of fooling around ? It's like it is now your full time job to castigate these servants of God. Why don't you do it the proper way ? register for a domain name( I could give you suggestions), pay for hosting and aggressively market your website. I am sure there would be "sick individuals" like you who'd be willing to support you. You could also open a fan page on facebook. You could choose something like http://olepastors.com or maybe something like http://naijapastorsareconmen.com. Create a blog on your website and educate people about these men of God. Whatever is worth doing is worth doing well.

pingu2k5:

@toba and jesus: I see no reason why you are arguing this with Tudor; leave her to her reprobate mind. And @toba, don't assume for God by giving reasons to exonerate Pastor Adeboye, let God exonerate him Himself as there is no amount of reasons you will give that will convince Tudor.

@Tudor: God is God; He can choose to reveal it to Pastor Adeboye or not. You should not be too conclusive; If Pastor Adeboye is a thief (you cannot even call him that until he is proven to be), let God judge him and you are in no position to crucify him. It seems to me from all your posts here that your agenda is to bastardize the image of Pastor Adeboye without giving him the benefit of the doubt.   

God does not condone any sin.

                                                      [size=20pt] NA WA MOST PPLE PREFERS TO ADDRESS HIM AS 'HE' RATHER THAN HER[/size]lol

Adeboye and his fellow scamming pastors, who claim to be God's representative because they know-all obviously find it difficult to follow Christ's example when it comes to dealing with fraudsters and sharp-suited banker-scammers.
Read Jesus' encounter with Zaccheus in [url=http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Luke+19%3A+1-10&ver=kjvl]Luke 19: 1-10[/url]

1 And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho. 2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich. 3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature. 4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way. 5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house. 6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully. 7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner. 8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold. 9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Do you know of any such scenario in any church today
Did the Bible not say my people perish for lack of knowledge
This thread only confirms the above statement as most are hung on their scamming pastors words and defend the indefensible.

toba:

U are the only odd one here see how many pple that are challenging your rantings.

@ the bolded i ve told u never to generalized. Speak for your self man.

I will ask again which scripture? the one u believe or the one u dnt believe in? So i can post asap

Post bible verses to support your claim. . . . Why is this so hard? Why is this so painful for you?

Could your reluctance perhaps be because there is NONE and you wanna keep deluding yourself?

Why oh why?? why?? why??

Since when have christians become ashamed of quoting the word?
Is it because they have NONE to quote?

Every way you look at it, its all sad.

errrrr. no need. the delusiuonists already own this thread. i am out

dayokanu:

Kindly point out anyone you disagree with. Maybe the fact that OBj stole money to RCCG buying a 4bn Jet

And I would provide you with links.

I sincerely hope you dont know and not that you are trying to defend the indefensible

I am not in Nigeria so I can't say categorically. Nonetheless, I called my younger brother to ask him about all of what you said and he says otherwise. I also called a friend of mine who happens to be really up-to-date concerning news like this, and he says that for sure Adeboye bought a N4bn jet but the monies used has not yet been linked to any of the people you mentioned. Can you please post us a link that clearly states that Adeboye got the monies he used to buy the jet from all of those you mentioned ?

Tudór:

Post bible verses to support your claim. . . . Why is this so hard? Why is this so painful for you?

Could your reluctance perhaps be because there is NONE and you wanna keep deluding yourself?

Why oh why?? why?? why??

Since when have christians become ashamed of quoting the word?
Is it because they have NONE to quote?

Every way you look at it, its all sad.

Its very simple which bible verses?. Is it the one u said is false and that the God it speaks about is non existent?

Its easy, answer my question, whilst i consent to your request. your reluctance to answer my question could mean u re scared of admitting the already known fact about the bible and its God as Factual no?

lagerwhenindoubt:

errrrr. no need. the delusiuonists already own this thread.  i am out  

LMAO. You better run for your life.

lagerwhenindoubt:

errrrr. no need. the delusiuonists already own this thread.  i am out 

whilst other 'delusionists' have also posted on the same thread. @bolded

anonimi:

Adeboye and his fellow scamming pastors, who claim to be God's representative because they know-all obviously find it difficult to follow Christ's example when it comes to dealing with fraudsters and sharp-suited banker-scammers.
Read Jesus' encounter with Zaccheus in [url=http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Luke+19%3A+1-10&ver=kjvl]Luke 19: 1-10[/url]

Do you know of any such scenario in any church today
Did the Bible not say my people perish for lack of knowledge
This thread only confirms the above statement as most are hung on their scamming pastors words and defend the indefensible.

There was really no much sense in what you said.Are you saying there are no genuine men of God who truly love God and are holy? This only shows how much of a jeRk u are.

cryptic:

I am not in Nigeria so I can't say categorically. Nonetheless, I called my younger brother to ask him about all of what you said and he says otherwise. I also called a friend of mine who happens to be really up-to-date concerning news like this, and he says that for sure Adeboye bought a N4bn jet but the monies used has not yet been linked to any of the people you mentioned. Can you please post us a link that clearly states that Adeboye got the monies he used to buy the jet from all of those you mentioned ?

I am not in Nigeria too but i know Akingbola and Ibru are key financiers of the church but knowing the way religion works most of the donors are anonymous. We know Akingbola and Ibru are some of the richest Redeemed members (Aside politicians whose worth we cant verify)

The purchase of a private jet, a Gulfstream 4XP with registration number 707EA, might have been attributed to the General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), Pastor Enoch Adeboye, in error.Documents available to THISDAY yesterday showed that the aircraft was purchased by[b] five members of the church[/b] and will be run as a charter service, but priority is to be given to Adeboye who,

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=139813

5 members musta contributed about $5million each. That should narrow down the number of people who can donate $5m each to a few people.

Since I assume you come here to genuinely know about the fraud going on in the house of God read

http://www.saharareporters.com/articles/external-contrib/1977-28m-jet-for-pastor-adeboye.html

cryptic:

There was really no much sense in what you said.Are you saying there are no genuine men of God who truly love God and are holy?

now where did you get the bold part from in my post that you quoted?

cryptic:

This only shows how much of a jeRk u are.

and i guess you claim to be a follower of Christ- insulting someone who apparently only has a different opinion from yours

cryptic:

Did you read it in the papers or maybe over the internet, or did you personally experience all of the aforementioned ? Some may be true, but I do not totally conform to all of your claims.

BTW, will you mind sharing with us some that may be true of dayokanu's list that you refered to above? Thanks in advance.

toba:

Its very simple which bible verses?. Is it the one u said is false and that the God it speaks about is non existent?

Its easy, answer my question, whilst i consent to your request. your reluctance to answer my question could mean u re scared of admitting the already known fact about the bible and its God as Factual no?

toba:

Its very simple which bible verses?. Is it the one u said is false and that the God it speaks about is non existent?

Its easy, answer my question, whilst i consent to your request. your reluctance to answer my question could mean u re scared of admitting the already known fact about the bible and its God as Factual no?

It quite obvious really, these are just evasive tactics. We all know there are NO verses in the bible that support your claims. Cry from now till yonder, they wont be there. So keep fooling yourself.

Next please.

Any word from G.O himself?

And Daddy GOat Adeboye of redeemed was all too happy to receive the stolen funds. . .praise the lawd

@ tudor,don't get me wrong am no christian and definately do not support the massive fraud by the big thief and if his pastor/s collected from the same loot without question then the are culpable but i have read some of your post and you sometime come across as having something person with some of the so call men of god?

^^ No be only the guy.

If you have lost a family member due to the monthly ritual at the Redemption camp due to road accidents from Redemption Camp.

If you get to your house from work at 2am as a result of traffic jam cause by RCCG monthly jamboree.

If you lost money deposited in Intercontinental because a Pastor Akingbola was settling his spiritual Godfather.

If you lost your job at Intercontinental and Oceanic bank as a result of MD's paying "tithes" to GO Adeboye.

If you see a supposed Man of God frolicking with those politicians who robbed our nation.

If you see a man daily insulting our intlligence telling us God drank tea with him, What next? God drank Shekpe with him?

If the House of God which was supposed to be a sanctuary of Hope for the downtrodden has now become an symbol of oppression.

If you see confirmed Jazzmen like Oni of Ife and other trad rulers gracing the House of God in their full regalia

When you notice all these things go against the teaching of the bible, you cant but have something against the so called men of God

The yorubas have a saying:

eni gbe epo l'aja ko jale bi eni to gba lowo e= he who stole oil from the shelve is not as guilty as the one who received it from him.

do the maths and figure out where the gravity of the supposedly all-knowing pastors' guilt lies

anonimi:

The yorubas have a saying:

eni gbe epo l'aja ko jale bi eni to gba lowo e= he who stole oil from the shelve is not as guilty as the one who received it from him.

do the maths and figure out where the gravity of the supposedly all-knowing pastors' guilt lies

The law of the land and lawyers call it "Receiving Stolen Property"

The veil of deceitful smiles and smooth talks by Governor Olusegun Mimiko of Ondo State is now being lifted. The public is beginning to see through a murky situation of unprecedented looting of the State’s fund totaling some 26 billion naira at the Intercontinental Bank.

According to emerging details leaked on Monday, Mr. Olusegun Rahman Mimiko, who a little over a year ago came into office through a judicial victory awarded against his former boss and later arch-rival, ex-Governor Olusegun Agagu, the disappearance of ₦26b from the coiffeurs of the sunshine state has been traced to a deal involving fugitive former boss of Intercontinental Bank, Mr. Erastus Akingbola.

Sources said that the Ondo missing billions was part of the reason, Mimiko, who had to issue an edict to be addressed as Mr. Governor, made sure Erastus Akingbola was co-opted into the embezzling scheme early in the life of the administration by being appointed as the Pro-Chancellor of the state-owned university, Adekunle Ajasin University, Akungba-Akoko. Once Akingbola had allegedly being hurriedly pocketed, it became very smooth to empty the 26 billion naira account that state had with Intercontinental Bank.

Some of the looted funds are suspected to have surfaced in some western countries with the just concluded so-called business visit of Mimiko in the company of his Commissioner for Finance, Mr. Akinyele Ogundipe. They were said to have visited the United States and United Kingdom and Ireland. Some unidentified individuals were said to have met with the Governor alongside Akingbola during one of the meetings.

A prominent Redeemed Christian Church prosperity preacher in Washington D.C. is also being named as one of those providing divine decoy for hiding the looted funds of Ondo State.


http://www.pointblanknews.com/News/os3676.html

stormm:

A prominent Redeemed Christian Church prosperity preacher in Washington D.C. is also being named as one of those providing divine decoy for hiding the looted funds of Ondo State.


http://www.pointblanknews.com/News/os3676.html

I won't be surprised if the entire church organization is a front for a smooth money laundering/scamming business.

G.B.T:

And Daddy GOat Adeboye of redeemed was all too happy to receive the stolen funds. . .praise the lawd

@ tudor,don't get me wrong am no christian and definately do not support the massive fraud by the big thief and if his pastor/s collected from the same loot without question then the are culpable but i have read some of your post and you sometime come across as having something person with some of the so call men of god?

Mr. Jibiti, how is anyone to trust what you post with a name like that?

Pastor AIO:

I won't be surprised if the entire church organization is a front for a smooth money laundering/scamming business.

It isn't - there will be corrupt individuals in any organisation; the key is identifying them and removing them.

As long as human beings are involved, you will discover cases like these from time to time. Even those who start out with good intentions can get corrupted along the way. It is highly unrealistic to expect one person like Adeboye to know everything going on in an organisation of that size.

I hope the RCCG has/is developing internal mechanisms to continuously evaluate their ministers and identify those involved in corrupt practices.

debosky:

It isn't - there will be corrupt individuals in any organisation; the key is identifying them and removing them.

As long as human beings are involved, you will discover cases like these from time to time. Even those who start out with good intentions can get corrupted along the way. It is highly unrealistic to expect one person like Adeboye to know everything going on in an organisation of that size.

I hope the RCCG has/is developing internal mechanisms to continuously evaluate their ministers and identify those involved in corrupt practices.

so you are assuring me that this is just a case of a few bad apples and it is not endemic in the organization. okay, I hear you.

Can nigeria be in the state it is in if it's numerous christians were not just merely fronting but were actually christians?

debosky:

It isn't - there will be corrupt individuals in any organisation; the key is identifying them and removing them.

As long as human beings are involved, you will discover cases like these from time to time. Even those who start out with good intentions can get corrupted along the way. It is highly unrealistic to expect one person like Adeboye to know everything going on in an organisation of that size.

I hope the RCCG has/is developing internal mechanisms to continuously evaluate their ministers and identify those involved in corrupt practices.

is adeboye no longer a representative of God- the omniscience (all-knowing) etc
does adeboye not always call people out in his churches, meetings, conventions etc because he knows they are sick, crippled, poor, tenants, witches wizards etc
does adeboye not know how much a salaried worker earns whether he is director of a bank, clerk in a company/ministry or RCCG employee; or he does not live in Nigeria anymore, neither does he have relations living in Nigeria holding such jobs like he did many years ago himself as a university teacher

Tudór:

It quite obvious really, these are just evasive tactics. We all know there are NO verses in the bible that support your claims. Cry from now till yonder, they wont be there. So keep fooling yourself.

Next please.

Is it the false Christian bible according to tudor? I await ur response ASAP

toba:

Is it the false Christian bible according to tudor? I await your response ASAP

I believe that Tudor's argument is not based on whether or not the Bible is true or false, but rather it is based on consistency. Are the activities of these 'christians' consistent with what is written in the bible? Whether or not the bible is true or false, this matter of consistency can be studied independently.

anonimi:

is adeboye no longer a representative of God- the omniscience (all-knowing) etc
does adeboye not always call people out in his churches, meetings, conventions etc because he knows they are sick, crippled, poor, tenants, witches wizards etc
does adeboye not know how much a salaried worker earns whether he is director of a bank, clerk in a company/ministry or RCCG employee; or he does not live in Nigeria anymore, neither does he have relations living in Nigeria holding such jobs like he did many years ago himself as a university teacher

yeah, Erastus was an average worker

and oh yeah, Pastors know how much all members earn by just staring into their foreheads

u need to visit a mall where brains are on auction;

debosky:

It isn't - there will be corrupt individuals in any organisation; the key is identifying them and removing them.

As long as human beings are involved, you will discover cases like these from time to time. Even those who start out with good intentions can get corrupted along the way. I[b]t is highly unrealistic to expect one person like Adeboye to know everything going on in an organisation of that size.[/b]

I hope the RCCG has/is developing internal mechanisms to continuously evaluate their ministers and identify those involved in corrupt practices.

We are not talking about some guy who sits at the back we are talking about people who are around Adeboye, People who are influential in the church people like OBJ, Daniels, Akingbola, Ibru, Oyinlola.

You mean Adeboye hasnt heard of the atrocities committed by them while in Public and corporate positions? or he just decided to ignore it as long as they cant pay the cash.

If a pastor sets up a 40-40 club for billionaires I think it would be nice of him to inquire about where the money is from or else Ade Bendel, Morris Ibekwe, Lawrence Anini can join and donate money to the church coffers to buy more jets