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TonySpike:
To me, He doesn't seem an Edo man, but I'll give him a benefit of doubt.

MrPresident1:
Which Edo are you?

Bini, Esan, Afemai, Akoko Edo, Owan, Eka etc?

macof:
Beautiful! I didn't know the Internet has a good write on the Idejo - why then do the same Internet history lovers ignore this when they see it?

macof:
For a man trying to teach Yorubas their history you are are sore ignoramus on the said subject

Jst ask Competent people to tell you about Lagos(Eko)

Btw there's a difference btw occupation nd conquest

macof:
I'll keep saying it until any Bini descendant in lagos proves otherwise. . THE OLOTO is head of the Aworis nt Oba of lagos
The olumegbon being the eldest Idejo apoints all Awori Obas including the Oba of lagos lineage

"Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp", by its Bini CONQUERORS. History has it that the Oba of Bini sent various trade expeditions to Ghana where spices were traded..."

macof:
Facts are Facts because they have undeniable proof
Pls furnish this proof of Bini in lagos before the Aworis

macof:
and who are you to tell Olukumi history? You want to know their origins better than them?
The same way you claim Eze Chima was a Bini slave you want to claim Olukumi as Bini slaves

Pls grow up you just too pathetic

pazienza:
Ezechima was not a Bini Prince. He was an Igbo man who grew in wealth and influence in Ancient Bini, so much that he dined with kings.
No Bini Prince answers an Igbo name Ezechima, Binis are too proud a people for such. Azikiwe story is irrational, Bini was a great kingdom, many wants to attach themselves to Bini, but a little bit application of common sense will tell you that a Bini Prince can't be given an Igbo name.

gabriel212:
I AM A YORUBA BUT THIS IS INSULTING TO OTHERS TRIBE AND IT IS NOT BEFITTING FOR FRONT PAGE

macof:
Complete nonsense from beginning to end
Why are you so eager to fuse ur god into Yoruba traditions?
you said you are from Ife
You disgust me

9jacrip:
That emboldened part was a mere diplomatic expression to state the undeniable ownsership of Lagos lands by Awori while upholding the Benin influence.

No one has denied Benin impact.

What you just need to understand is that Benin set up the Oba of Eko which is limited to Eko while Idejos retain their lands and influences - simple.

9jacrip:
Rants.

You've gone from trying to debate to vituperative.

You're not in the league of schooling me to what history should be, you do not even come close.

If you happened to be a history grad thwn I'd like to rip you apart here on so many debates bothering on history - who the Bleep do you think you are?

Yoruba never claimed Edo to be part of us, it is you lots who have Yoruba kingship system, use Yoruba terms and even have Yoruba names - you shoud probably direct your hate towards your progenitors who looked to us.

Whatever school you graduated from needs to have its dept of history shut down. Why? Because you've failed, as a historian to discern that the record of one phenomenon involving different groups would be written differently and a historian is supposed to take these pieces and reconstruct. I have tried to do this with you over this Lagos history by taking your source and others then drawing a reasonable account around them. For you, it has been superiroty of Benin history of a thing or nothing else and you're opening your putrid mouth and typing with your leprous fingers about whay history should be about?

As far as Yoruba is concerned, our account of our own history is ultimate until you or your benin folks can take on the calibre of historians we have produced whose works on Yoruba history have earned many medals world over - do you want me to mention names?

I do not have problems with ibos for a fact, rather, the recent distortion of Yoruba history by them here has rather made me wary of whom I engage.

You are not bright at all!

macof:
Ok bt kindly furnish the records, the Bini descendants in Lagos who's ancestors came before the Awori
If you can't I have to call this what it is - trash

tonychristopher:
Yes, I can shed some light on the connection with Lagos, which was a colony of Benin for many years, ruled by Edo viceroys. The modern name Lagos was derived from one used by Portuguese explorers - "Lago di Kuramo".

But the original Edo name for Lagos is "Eko". Oba Orhogbua, who had earlier been educated and baptised at a Portuguese school in Benin, founded it as a prisoner-of-war camp in the 16th century. [Orhogbua was the son of Esigie]

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Because of a falsely rumored coup back home he returned to Benin from where he dispatched his grandson Esikpa to return to become the first Eleko of Eko. Esikpa was himself succeeded by his sons Edo and Guobaro respectively.

Beginning with Esikpa, most Elekos had their remains returned to Benin for interment. [Chiefs of Badagry were also buried in Benin.] Shortly after the amalgamation of North and South in 1914 there was a brief Eleko crisis in Lagos when indigenes demanded a reestablishment of their traditional monarchy. In 1915, responding to requests by Lagos indigenes, Iyase Obaseki and Obazuaye were dispatched by Oba Eweka II to testify about the Edo antecedents of the Lagos Monarchy.

To this day, many genuine traditional titles in Lagos are Edo titles. There is a direct blood link between the royal families of Lagos and
Benin. And if you pay very close attention, Edos are very prominent and successful in Lagos life. A fair number of "Lagosians" have Edo heritage even though a large number have acculturated their names with the Yoruba majority.

You can verify this information from the Palace of Oba Oyekan.

9jacrip:
I was not trying to diminish, who am I to do that in the face of glaring facts found in similarity of Obaship between Eko and Benin?

It is you who needs to calm down with the sense of pride of Benin holding sway in Lagos Island for a short period.

You need to first understand that the Idejo factor cannot be brushed aside or downplayed, it is staring you in the face, admit it.

You also need to research and you'll find that Eleko was originally an Oba of Eko (island) and in recent times made the paramount head of lagos oba council with ability to 'influence' politics but his palace/subject choices remain within Eko (island).

You also need to get the fact that the Idejo are first class kings, like Oba of Lagos. They have their domains and hold full sway on their subjects without any subjection to Eleko.

You also need to get the fact that Eleko does not hold any land in Lagos. He was originally an extension of Benin king and plays roles accompanying such a position.

You also need to know that the throne the idejo see as the representation of their father (Olofin) is that of the Oloto not the Eko seat.

To answer your question:

1. According to your Lagos website source, Benin King and his representation in Lagos did not rule entire Lagos (as it is now), your source and many others say he did not rule beyond Eko which is Lagos Island surrounded by pepper farm and nobody lived there.

Until the coming of the Bini's, Lagos's geographic boundary was what is known now as Lagos Mainland. Lagos Island, the seat of the Oba of Lagos then consisted of a pepper farm and fishing posts. No one lived there though. The name Eko was given to it by its first King Oba Ado during its early history, it also saw periods of rule by the Kingdom of Benin. Eko was the land area now known as Lagos Island where the king's palace was built. The Palace is called Iga Idunganran which, translated means Palace built on the pepper farm. Oba Ado and the warriors from Benin as well as some of the indigenous people who sought safety settled down in the southern part of Eko called "Isale Eko", Isale literarily meaning bottom, but must have been used to indicate downtown (as in Downtown Lagos).

2. Indeed, no denying this but Benin's direct influence on Eko (Lagos Island) waned completely after Ado's son - Gabaro.

3. He sent chiefs to help Ado, yes. And names of such chiefs exist today, no one has disputed that. The question is, how many of these chiefs are palace chiefs today and play the roles outlined by Oba Benin?

4. Modern day Oba of Eko from Akinsemoyin has shed its Benin ancestry to a very large extent. Let me remind you that Ologun Kutere line has Ijesa ancestry (surprised?) Apart from the paraphernalia of the Oba and some processes of installing the Oba, every other aspect of Obaship in Lagos has its core in Yoruba.

Let me give you an insider's information; the Akinsemoyin and Ologun Kutere mostly inter marry with the Idejo groups such as Ojora, Elegushi, Oniru that you'd find most of these Idejo folks claiming to be prince(ss) even if its through maternal line. An example: after Oba Oyekan passed, his written recommendation was for an Ojora to be the next king (he is also from Ologun Kutere as well as Ojora line). The throne has been so bombarded by Yoruba that you'll wonder how strong Benin influence originally was.

You'll wonder how I know these things even though I'm not from Lagos. Firstly, Yoruba folks are always welcomed to be involved in anything going on in any part of Yoruba land - as a Historian I seized the opportunity to ask questions and as an awo, I seized the opportunity to mix up with the awo from the palace - just last two weeks, I was with the Balogun and Ogboni from the palace. So do not be surprised if I go to Benin palace and mingle thoroughly and even give you information you've never heard before.

9jacrip:
Congratulations on being Edo but gain, you've again shown you're not too brigh

History, despite having its root in acadmia can be used as a tool of propaganda and grandstanding - ask the ibo about Biafra war and they'd tell you N.Army did not shoot a single Biafran fly until Britain, Soviet Union and Egypt got involved LOL!

Yoruba take a sense of pride in their history very much and an average Yoruba has interest in Yoruba history. Thus, you cannot be mad at the nationalist emotions that come with it.

Just deal with it sir.

tonychristopher:
I
know what you are saying but not all clans are umu EZE Chima in onitsha and eze chima is an igbo that was on reverse migration but that is a different topic


Now I am trying to fix the loops in oduduwa. Story and I am an admirer of your postulation

stinggy:
Your argument fails on so many fronts.
Yoruba used to group people who spoke something similar to Oyo? Really
Show me any similarity between Oyo language and Ijebu, Oyo language and Igbomina.

And what is the ancestry of Igboho Yorubas whose neighours are Tapas/Nupes? Or would you argue they are not Yorubas?
War unsettled most of these Yoruba groups you see scattered around. So many of their founders take off to avoid some kind of punishment and wherever they found their selves is where they settled at.

9jacrip:
Wherever it is you're from, open threads on its history and I will not only trounce you but school you to your own history.

Better get a grip quickly.

9jacrip:
You're not very bright.

There was never a Benin conquest in Lagos, what you see as a conquest was rather a diplomatic agreement between the two. Benin only set up war camps, hence, military occupation.

From your source of 'facts':



Your source, despite being poorly writ, managed to provide answers to some of your questions. You could have discovered these answers if you had not let the 'nor be yoruba own Lagos' struggle paralyze your mind.

Furthermore:



There goes another answer but there is more, just hold on tight.

From: http://www.oshodi.org/history/lagosians.html

According to the ‘Idejo” source-they, the Bini people, did not conquer them- they were invaded to settle disputes among the sons of Olofin. According to this source, the facts that the Obas of Lagos ‘owned’ no land in Lagos which is disposed of exclusively by the Yoruba Idejo chiefs, and that the Idejo chiefs did not perform any administrative duties on behalf of the Oba and took to the mainland in time of war leaving the Oba to defend Lagos, do not suggest an original Benin conquest.


From: http://www.oniruroyalfamily.org/index.php/history

Among the children who first arrived and possessed lands wereAROMIRE, OLOTO, ONIRU, OLUWA, OJORA, ONIKOYI, ONITANA, OLUMEGBON, ONITOLO, ELEGUSHI and ONISIWO. They are the ancestors of the Idejo chiefs, the oldest chieftaincy on the island and their rights over their land holdings were recognized by the Obas (kings) of Lagos, when that institution was created by the Oba of Benin.

Another: http://lawaspire.com.ng/2014/06/chief-adesina-jinadu-ors-v-chief-israel-esurombi-aro-anor-2/

4. The Ojora Chieftaincy Family is one of the Idejo Land owning Chieftaincy Families of Lagos and its traditional head is the Chief Ojora, a Lagos Idejo White Cap Chief.

5. The whole of the land originally owned by the Ojora Chieftaincy Family (hereinafter referred to as the Ojora Land) were known generally as Iganmu and have been in the possession of the said family (sic) from time immemorial and is bounded on the East by the Lagos Lagoon and part of Lagos Island and Ebute-Metta; on the North by the land of Oloto Chieftaincy Family Abebe Creek, Iguru Swamp and Itire Land; on the West by the land of Amuwo and of Alahun and on the South by the land of the Oluwa Chieftaincy Family, and more particularly shown on a plan dated December 1918 made by Herbert Macaulay (now deceased.)"

The Oba of Lagos' power now extends beyond Lagos island as the permanent head of Oba's council in Lagos but he can only influence decisions outside Lagos Island not necessary 'order a decision'.

I have tried to avoid engaging you because the issues you raise could easily be answered by hitting google but tonight you forced my hands. You're lucky google books seem not to be working. Read what is up there and remind me what your questions were again or you want to prove to know more than the Idejo themselves?

The sudden interest you and your team of Ibo revisionists have in Yoruba history is becoming disgusting, you all should focus more on your history and extend it towards pre-1967.

9jacrip:
Ibos of course, I have no reason to be sneaky.

MrPresident1:
I have gone through all your posts Nigerman1, it is you who is full of bitterness toward the Yoruba for 'distorting' Benin history and 'claiming superiority' over other tribes. I dare you to go through your own posts again and give yourself a fair assessment. You are the one who is filled with bitterness.

I do not like to indulge in this kind or arguments because they throw up histories that divide rather than promote unity, but suffice it to say that Bini came from Oduduwa. Bini is one of the children of the woman who fled Roman persecution in the East. Yoruba history is not Dogma, if you dig deeper, you will encounter what you do not like, so for everyman who makes the discoveries, for the sake of peace, you either keep quiet, or surreptitiously point the way for the keen observer with true motives to come to the same deductions as you have come. I do not think, however, that you have the presence of mind or the trueness of intentions to make the deductions I speak of, because you are full of bitterness. see next paragraph.

In one breath you tell me you love my post, in another breath you call it mumbo jumbo, I hope you will objectively agree with me in my assessment of you, that you are someone whose mind is a mishmash of garbage. A littered mind, cluttered and disjointed with all kinds of rabble-rousing wosi-wosi. You and Naiwu are pseudo intellectual history revisionists, and you have jammed rock.

'Yoruba' and Bini should never have issues of superiority between them, because they are brothers. But later day historian-revisionists like you and Osahon Naiwu will stop at nothing to sever the cord of brotherhood.

Radoillo:
I need to understand one little thing, NigerMan1. When you say Benin has recorded history going back to 800 - 900AD, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean there are written sources of Bini history that go back as far as those dates suggest, or are you alluding to some other source(s) of history other than written sources?

stinggy:
If Olugbo is Ijaw as posited by you people, wouldn't it make more political sense to flock with mainstream Ijaw kings and enjoy windfall, as the President is Ijaw too?

And take this correction; Ilaje's ancestry can be traced to Ife, not Oyo.

stinggy:
I will answer the part with a question too - why are some Ikwerre people claiming they are not Igbos? Simple - distortion of history!

There was never any hatred, it's just a normal Yoruba way of making jests, which you and I know. It is the same way omo eko will regard omo-oyo or omo ibadan as ara ilu oke. It's not hatred.

TonySpike:
I suspect Nigerman1 and tonychristopher are one and the same person. I personally don't trust tonychristopher's antecedents on this forum for a start. He goes unstable at topics regarding Yoruba history; he takes it on himself to determine issues of Yoruba history

TonySpike:
I suspect Nigerman1 and tonychristopher are one and the same person. I personally don't trust tonychristopher's antecedents on this forum for a start. He goes unstable at topics regarding Yoruba history; he takes it on himself to determine issues of Yoruba history

9jacrip:
Their revisionism has become so irritating in that it adds zilch to knowledge, it only makes one wonder if they ever take the time to read what they've typed or listen to themselves.

The height of it was attributing Ife to Igbo by coining Ugbo in present day Ondo to mean Igbo.

The funny part is they are not even bothered about their own history at all.

TonySpike:
Educate them, bro. These guys are just revisionists.

9jacrip:
Lagos was never conquered by Benin but there was military occupation.

Oba of Eko was only Oba of Eko (Lagos Island) and his power does not extend beyond it.

There is Oniru run by Oniru

There is Ikate run by Elegushi

There is Ijora and Apapa run by Ojora

There is Oto run by Oloto

There is Ikoyi run by Onikoyi

There is Ajiran run by Oba Ojomu

And so on who own lagos lands and run them accordingly.

tonychristopher:
The onitsha are ibo and Eze chime is an Igbo that Sojourned in Benin fell out with the locals came back


THE NAME EZE CHIMA IS AN IGBO NAME

pazienza:
Onitsha are Igbos, whose Igbo ancestors once resided in Bini. Residing in Bini is not the same thing as having a Bini ancestry. A man with Ezechime as a name in Bini, can only have an Igbo ancestry.