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FFKfuckedBIANCA - Bro are you an INDIGENE of Lagos? Which state of origin are you? Would you be proud of your REAL ancestral lineage? And WHY each time Nigeria states and regions are mentioned, the only place you guys bring up for defense is LAGOS? I hope you know that most Yorubas are also MIGRANTS to Lagos? I hope you know that Lagos was DEVELOPED (and still being sustained) with Niger Delta OIL, as the main business capital for Nigeria? Again, I ask you: "Are You An INDIGENE of Lagos?" Just this morning, one of the most prominent true Lagosians gave this interview: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/08/open-letter-to-buhari-on-behalf-of-lagos-state-indigenes-1/ PS: Read it; learn something critical from it FFKfuckedBIANCA: |
I wanted you to broaden your submission because it was clear you're NOT referring to the Robbers alone. You asked how did I know if they were Armed Robbers? Alas, the report said they were PIRATES. My dear, pirates is the fancy name for Armed Robbers who ply their evil trade on the sea and waters. So why should you indirectly be calling out to a larger group? When crime is committed, the work of the Govt is to apply relevant agencies such as Police, Intelligence network, courts to fish them out out and get them prosecuted. About ODI Massacre: The ODI incidence wasn't by Pirates. It was carried out by the militants when the Niger Delta militancy was at it's infancy. But going after innocent people never solve the problem anyway. And I disagree with you about Soldiers going for 'revenge' as you suppose. We must not permit our mind to sub-consciously accept such heinous actions by the State is normal: Police or Soldiers go on killing spree to avenge lost colleagues omojoshy: |
Omojoshy - What exactly do you mean by your statement? Who are the "some people beating the Drum of War" you are referring to? I wonder why many of you youths find it difficult to reason beyond the TRIBAL level politicians and sectional leaders want you to? First Nembe is a town just like any other town in Nigeria. Sea robbers (PIRATES) operating in Nembe sea just as we have land robbers (ARMED ROBBERS) operating in other towns and YOURS inclusive. So my friend, what informed your slanging about 'some people beating drums of war...?' Or are you telling us that whenever thieves and Armed Robbers strike and killed people (security officials inclusive) where you come from in Nigeria, then we the rest of us should conclude that YOU and YOUR Entire Clan, Tribe and Culture should be referred as people beating the Drum of War? [ quote author=omojoshy post=36773343]Now that some people are beating the Drums of War, I hope they will remember their dancing steps when the time comes [/quote] |
macof:macof - why challenging only a SMALL part of my post and facts? Why don't you tell me that the Benin Kings never rule over any part of present Ondo/Ekiti state? Would you dispute the fact that the "The Deji of Akure" originally known as UDEZI was not a vassal king to the Oba of Benin till 1897? Please if this sound strange to you, before you start abusing me, go and found out about this truth. |
twosquare:twosquare - Oh I see. So Nigerman1 is ignorance while you choose to believe a tribal narrative created by your Yoruba leaders and writers in the 1950s about Benin origin? As for what Shymm3x said, he merely REGURGITATED the spurious Yoruba folklores without evidence. So is an old UNFOUNDED story among you modern Yorubas to CONSOLE yourself. And this inform the reason you hate to be challenged to prove, rather you resort to insults and abuse. If you can get off the lies you'd been told from the cradle, dust up your mindset and do more research and INVESTIGATE "If the present day Yorubaland was the same 200, 400, 500, 700, 950 years ago..." you will blown away by the truth. Oh and you spewed that Yoruba created lies again - "Benin kings were buried..." Can you back it up with facts and figures? The Ekiti parapo war was MORE present than ancient. Long before the Ekiti war, the entire land of present day Ekiti/Ondo was 100% vassal to the Oba of Benin. |
scholes0:If you'd done enough research you won't type this vain conclusion. I will continue to remind you guys about the real "Yoruba" origin itself, so you can stop supplanting the olden days/ancient events with the modern. You Wrote: "known Yoruba Gods like Olokun, Osun, Sango, Oduduwa and Ogun, while Yoruba do not worship any Edo/Bini gods/goddesses" You have no business discussing history, if you think and conclude that those gods were/are today's Yoruba origin. They're NOT. For example, ONOKUN (Olokun) is 100% Benin god and still exist today. However then Benin introduced ONOKUN (Sea Goddess) worship among other gods and tradition to Lagos. The word "OKUN" is also Benin etymological but being used by modern day Yoruba lexicon. In the same vein, many parts of present day Yorubaland such as Ekiti and Ondo were once ruled by Benin and those gods were also introduced. About Ancestry: That's a different ball game altogether, why quick to mix two unrelated issues? This is the problem about you Yorubas when you deliberately throw FACTS to the wind to grandstand. Today, you Yorubas worship the IGUNUKO Masquerade which originated from Nupe about 175-220 years. Now do we conclude that NUPE is Yoruba ancestry? Maybe... The word/title "OBA" is also 100% Benin origin but being used in many parts of present day yorubaland. Now do we conclude that all Yorubas have Benin ancestry? Maybe... You Wrote: "But not doubt, the Yorubas and the Edos were by far the best art makers in all of Sub Saharan Africa..." This is not true at all. Again it shows you should not be contributing to historical discourse of this nature at all. And I say this with due respect sir/ma. Many of you rush to conclusion of our collective history based on your present political and tribal leanings; thereby ERODING possibilities of having only the TRUTH as our standard record. What is Yoruba Arts? There was nothing known in recorded ancient history as "Yoruba arts". What are recorded are: Benin arts, Ife arts, Igbo Ukwu arts etc. |
Jobneeded12:Jobneeded12 - Superior race? Jesus! And this is coming from a graduate? First they're NOT race but sub-tribes of the larger BLACK RACE. My dear I bleed in my heart so much the damage modern politicians and tribal leader have injected into this country via-a-viz the youth. In history and even in the affairs of men, races, tribe, tradition and culture are not superior to the other. Everyone bring something tangible to the table, at one time or the other, to make the whole. However this salient virtue has been LOST in Nigeria chiefly because political and tribal leaders in their quest for supremacy and CONTROL over the citizen's mindset and conscience, enacted this mantra of "we are better than you.....bal bla bla" And if you say Edo/Yoruba were superior. what would you said about the Kanuris, the Nupes, Igalas, Fulanis etc? Again my dear, there're nothing known or recorded as "Yoruba arts" in the ancient culture. |
Rotimi47:Owo and Benin were NOT siblings. I love when a great CLAIM is made, you back it up with more facts and summary. As early as the reign of Oba Ovonramwen, before he was overthrown by the British in 1897, the whole of the present day Ekiti/Ondo was a vassal of the Benin King. They paid tribute and many of their language (word) and tradition were Benin which still exist today. |
Shymm3x:Shymm3x - You did well by bringing these artwork to the fore, but at the same time, subtly trying to 'kill' the truth of the advanced Benin history which is glearing in thesee SAME artswork, with an age-long Yoruba lies. Hear You: "... Though Ife birthed the two places..." That line was a big LIE, or at best you're only spewing the Yoruba version of Oduduwa while denying the Benin version. Sorry, Ife did NOT birth Benin. In fact, Benin was already great, glorious and EPOCHAL before Ife in the ancient days. These arts you shown here even proved this facts, yet you decided to SMUGGLE in a less-fancied history to perpetuate an age-long tribal attack on the Benin history. You Wrote: "... Ife arts were more realism than finesse, apart from the supremely marvellous Ife head (ori olokun), which is over 700 years old, and definitely the greatest masterpiece out of present day Nigeria. But the Binis killed the game - props to them. Who says Ife art were truly 700 years old? Who detected or determined their ages? Who are the historians, archaeologists and international curators and critics who adjudged the IFE Arts as "...greatest masterpiece out of present day Nigeria"? There's no where in any academic archives or records about Ife arts being 700yerar - except in some Yoruba journals. Those backyard dates were inputted to sell an 'older' artworks which were in fact COPIED from Benin. Who taught you that artworks are judged this way? What are the criteria? My friend, old artworks only depicted arts... cultures, tradition, history etc of the people. We know what the Benin arts symboliz[/b]e both in the culture and spirituality, [b]so tell us what does the Ife arts symbolizes? And why do you have to make UNFOUNDED claims to patch up? And do you know Benin posses artworks and monuments such as the Benin Moat (known as the great Benin wall) dated since since 8-9AD? There is none like this anywhere in the whole Africa except the old Egypt. Please note this is NOT a personal claim - you can find this FACT in any International archaeological and historical records and repertoire about African/Black. You Wrote: "... Err, I'm sure you're conversant with Yoruba religion - what do you think about the elaborate representation of Yoruba gods (Osun, Olokun, Ogun, and Oduduwa) in Bini arts? And you veered from REALITY into Ignorant claims and assertions. And you clearly open up your vast IGNORANT of the origin of those gods. First I want you to realize that Benin established the Lagos Monarchy and its palace culture and tradition, many of which are still there up till today. As far back as 14th Century, Benin was already firmly in charge of a large portion of present Southern Nigeria - which spread along the coast that covers present day Ekiti/Ondo, the whole of Edo, most parts of Niger Delta, parts of present day Igboland, down to Lagos and bordered Togo. In the space of Benin dominance, influence, partnership and indirect rulership which lasted till late 19 Century (though waned before then), it spread its cultural and traditional worships, names, deities which include ONOKUN (olokun) and others. Sorry my bro - go find out from the archives the ORIGIN of those gods. They're not YORUBA origin but were either left behind towns/cities under old Benin... or carried along by others (Yorubas, Igalas) who were once under the Benin rule. Some of the those gods you have in present day Yoruba were from other tribes such as Nupe, Igala, Togoe and Benin Republic etc. The Word/Title "OBA" Also I hope you won't make the mistake to claim the word/title OBA is Yoruba origin? I hope you know OBA (meaning the supreme King) is 100% Benin origin, which came to present day Yorubaland when a Benin Prince was installed as the Oba of Lagos. Also in history, it's important to spell out origin/etymology/association/influence to enable OPEN clarify. Do you know why I said this? Because the world "Yoruba" came into existence in the late 19th Century. |
literarymathy:literarymathy - your assertion is a testimony that you younger generation were bred under an intense DISCRIMINATORY society and unfortunately this culture has become massively ingrained in most Nigerians like you. Yes I agree with the points you raised but suffice to say that they're 100% a Nigerian culture that first reared ts ugly head in the 70s under the Gowon Administration by those who felt THREATENED by the new breed of HND holders who're out-performing them in the workplaces. However your belief about certificate is not practiced in advanced countries where VALUE and MERITS are the twin pillars their foundations are laid. If those countries were run like Nigeria today, China, US, France, Japan, Singapore, will be poorer and lagging behind like us today! Finally literarymathy I think it smack of inferiority complex and reaping where one did not sow to describe another college graduate as "middle man" when you did not COMPETE with hm to determine who is BETTER? To determine who can be the BETTER leader say in 10 - 20 years? Please remember that you're avidly supporting this satanic "Certificate Discrimination" because it favors you and/or it rubs your inner ego that you're 'better' than your fellow youth who you did not compete with to gain position. My dear do not complain when you get discriminated against via other "Black Man" policies or reason such as tribe, quota system, state of origin, gender, height, 'man now man,' sexuality etc. Many of you are crying for greater and successful NIGERIA - but you lack the wisdom and global knowledge that such society are solidly built upon an EGALITARIAN foundation which you hate so much. |
simpleseyi:simpleseyi - yes you are right in your assertion. But the same WAY "the people's general" will also be put in prison for squandering TENs of Billions during his mismanagement of PTF. And there are other financial issues hanging on his neck as well |
MrPresident1:[size=16pt]Blasphemy[/size] |
absoluteSuccess:Wikipedia? The 'HIDDEN' truth about HISTORY of this nature are found in long held ARCHIVES. Not a Wikipedia that any damn editor go to fumble with. And remember your kinsmen here did described links from the internet as fake |
tonychristopher:tonychristopher - Remember I advised you earlier don't bother about an average Yoruba person mentality. They must abuse and insult to feel good and cultured. It's ingrained in their soco-cultural upbringing. So the fellow MrPresident1 - is only living to that |
9jacrip:9jacrip - If you insist your Yoruba history must be told by you alone – then it's a tribal folklores and tales – not HISTORY! |
macof:What is the IMPORT of your latest slanting this DISCOURSE? Slanting to "Esan Man" bla bla bla. What do you hope to achieve by this? Look keep to the topic; diversion to personal attack or subtle tribal pointer won't help at all Also you guys can't separate historical analyses from tribal folklores and tales. Sorry they are DIFFERENT; folklore are tribally based while history is globally based. For example when some Europeans tells you about "Yoruba History" do you ask them to keep quiet? |
hadizasaf:Bro that was a BIG lie the old generation told the nation via the media. Nigeria NEVER got it right from inception. The evil you say today was actually PLANTED shortly before 1960 and firmly rooted in the 1960s and beyond. Nigeria was built upon a BAD foundation. |
Mccullum:My bro please can you tell the did the rating that CONFIRMED Awo as "the best among his contemporaries from other regions..." As for financing the war, that was NOT Awo's ingenuity, but OIL was flowing from the Niger Delta. The war was executed from the BILLIONS flowing from the Niger Delta, the reserves home and abroad. PLUS - huge support were pouring in from powerful countries such as Britain in terms of weapons, trainings and plenty deals for the Fed Govt. |
Makapounse:My dear Ojukwu NEVER called for war. He announced SECESSION of his Region from Nigeria after his people were massacred in the North. It was the Fed Govt that attacked Ojukwu. However the Fed Govt had no option then because the Old Eastern Region also comprises most of the present day South South where the OIL WELLS were based - the gold that fed (and still feeding) the nation. As Gen Benjamin Adekunle said, "We fought for OIL not unity" |
absoluteSuccess:absoluteSuccess - that's an unfortunate statement from you. Why should an Edo claim Yoruba? Where in Yorubaland will I claim? And for what reason? I believe the guy made a mistake for saying YORUBA. The right thing was to specify the part of present day Yorubaland, such as old EKO. Stating past incidents and events is not same thing as CLAIMING!!! Please take it, we should not argue or throw jabs over FACTS that happened centuries ago. |
OkeEsibe:OkeEsibe - please share some of your prosperity with me name! bbb ![]() OkeEsibe:OkeEsibe - please share some of your prosperity with me nau! ![]() |
FrancisTony:It's mighty difficult to qualify the Ikwerres as Igbo as you would people from Awka. The Ikwerre people of today have mixed ancestry, reason many of them hate being called Igbo. |
FrancisTony:The Edos from those villages, from part of Owan, were Ancestrally Yoruba, but were enslaved and became part of old Benin Kingdom several Centuries ago. You also find them in Ondo as well, however they're mixed with other tribes and today are whole. The Benin Kings NEVER enforced direct Benin/Edo language and culture on the people they conquered or ruled. Therefore it afford them to retain their father's names and identity, even when many of them became full blooded Edo. The major features left behind by Benin were cultural influences, language/vowels, words, dialect, physical attributes, traditions, kingship, bloodlines, etc |
Beface:Beface - you are mixing present political abracadabra with history that dates back thousands of years. Or recorded history since 800 / 900 AD. The OP simply stated an historical facts, but unfortunately you younger generation are not brought to appreciate history, plus our leaders have used politics cum economic interests to relegate our collective historical past. No wonder you qualified this as 'showing off' |
OgagaMic:Even almost all the Delta Igbo are EDOIDs - via slavery, resettlement, freedom etc. |
macof:macof - I apologize on their behalf. But learn to be civil, you easily spew INSULTIVE language without a second thought. Let me add this: Over the years, I've heard worst statement from Yoruba about Edos, but we Edo hardly replied in kind. Anyway "two wrongs does not make a right" make you no vex my brother. |
arazanbal:Am disappointed many of you are fast in replying negative comments, than sharing facts. Am almost sure that fellow is NOT Igbo person, so bother about him. |
Mzflexydeeva:What do you mean by 'threat' Do you mean the younger generation don't speak much? If yes, you have a point but not as bad as you think. Am Esan, born and bred in Lagos. I understand and converse in my language. The problem is more of Southern Nigeria issue as most core dialects are growing thin. |
martineverest:martineverest - this is history so it command utmost RESPECT when is being discussed because it may evokes emotion in some people. Please do not insult anyone, but table facts so the fellow will learn. And remember History is not chest beating, but cordial exchanges of factual past. Most people do not understand where their forefathers originated from, or were told half truths or pure lies, or combination, due to cultural EGO and political interest in modern Nigeria. Without facts and figure and statistics most young people in Southern Nigeria, especially vast majority of present day Niger Delta, will find it difficult to believe they either originated from old Benin, ruled, controlled, influenced, captured as slaves, exposed to Europeans etc, by old Benin Kings. Many will also disbelief that their Kings were installed by Benin, or given their titles/names, or have deep rooted cultural ties with Benin. So careful analysis is utmost important; refrain from any iota of boastfulness. Even when you're insulted, don't replied same, just lay unassailable facts to speak to the conscience. However if you are less knowledgeable, then go start learning the secrets of the age. This will set you apart from the crowd. |
akthedream:akthedream - the Igbos don't claim anywhere as theirs. Please tell me where in Nigeria they claim as theirs? Please don't turn this beautiful thread into Igbo bashing, you have nothing to benefit. |
slapandfall:Am also from Esan Central. Do you know the reason Edo language is spoken in Portugal? When the Portuguese first landed, it was the Benin King they met as the most powerful ruler that covered most part of present day Southern Nigeria, down to Lagos. They opened a diplomatic relations with Benin, which includes scholarship for Benin Princes, who later went with their slaves as well. Most returned with degrees in various discipline. The relationship continue for many years; trade, commerce, education etc. |
slapandfall:Yes you are right. But just correct him, his is 100% valid and historically true. In fact the EDOID dialect far extended than he listed |


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